Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[Nowax]

The solution is simple then: Gran Turismo 8 will feature special events in which the player has to escape police pursuits, led by Bowser, around the Nordschleife. Princess Peach becomes Princess Apricot and tells the player to not drive dangerously on public roads before the game's intro starts. Wacky hijinks ensue.

Are we gonna forget the new circuit: Special Stage Route 8?

 

[Freeman_Cruz]

Are we gonna forget the new circuit: Special Stage Route 8?
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Do you mean Kart Space?

 

[Northstar]

Mario Kart is the biggest racing franchise in both lifetime sales and current sales. Followed by NFS with 150 million sales lifetime.

I was only including Sony franchises, but yes, you are correct when talking about gaming as a whole.

 

[alex511]

Biggest playstation franchise actually definitive are the Marvel ones.
There no GT and Horizon Forbidden West can compete.

 

[O604]

Techincally the most popluar driving game is QQSpeed, a Chinese Mario Kart clone. Mario Kart has about 150 millon units sold. QQ Speed has near 800 million players between PC and mobile. And has attracted luxury brands like Rolls Royce.

 

[Nowax]

Techincally the most popluar driving game is QQSpeed, a Chinese Mario Kart clone. Mario Kart has about 150 millon units sold. QQ Speed has near 800 million players between PC and mobile. And has attracted luxury brands like Rolls Royce.

Ugh. So hideous to look at.

 

[Panoz]

PD should look at the past for future DLC packs or new modes.

 

[Imari]

And I'm perfectly aware how successful those interactive walking simulators that try so hard to be movies these days.

Lol, the irony that you're putting Gran Turismo against HZD and GoW and somehow the one where you go in circles chasing a rabbit isn't the boring one.

Walking simulator was always a stupid term, but there are legitimately games to which it applies somewhat reasonably like Gone Home, Stanley Parable or Edith Finch. If you don't like those then that's fine, but HZD and GoW are so far from that style of gameplay that one can only imagine that you can't find anything legitimate to criticise them for.

It's like criticising Gran Turismo for being a terrible open world game. Saying that only shows that you know so little about the subject that your opinion should be dismissed outright.

 

[elston87]

Spoiler

I don't take credit on finding any of these. A contact of mine was snooping through the text resource data for Scapes of Gran Turismo Sport when they ran into these:

The multiple entries inside the resources are for various different points (such as different corners) around the particular scene, in this case the two courses listed above. The fact that the two courses which appear here, Watkins Glen, which has an entry in the database for Version 1.61 of GT Sport, and Albert Park, which was recently spotted in a marketing video as "just a decorative picture frame", supplements their possible inclusion for Gran Turismo 7.

The same can be found inside the Japanese language text resource files for Scapes, although using a different ID:

In addition, two Scapes entries were found for Daytona International Speedway:

Furthermore, two Scapes entries were found for Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, a course which has yet to be seen referenced from any other data inside the game:

This is not definitive confirmation by any means, but there's multiple pieces of evidence scattered throughout that makes me think that both Albert Park and Watkins Glen will be showing up for GT7, maybe by tomorrow. There is yet to be anymore evidence found for Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. Road Atlanta has been spotted inside the database a while back, but no Scapes resources have been found (yet).

 

[LegendofGT]

Huh.

Spoiler

I don't take credit on finding any of these. A contact of mine was snooping through the text resource data for Scapes of Gran Turismo Sport when they ran into these:

The multiple entries inside the resources are for various different points (such as different corners) around the particular scene, in this case the two courses listed above. The fact that the two courses which appear here, Watkins Glen, which has an entry in the database for Version 1.61 of GT Sport, and Albert Park, which was recently spotted in a marketing video as "just a decorative picture frame", supplements their possible inclusion for Gran Turismo 7.

The same can be found inside the Japanese language text resource files for Scapes, although using a different ID:

In addition, two Scapes entries were found for Daytona International Speedway:

Furthermore, two Scapes entries were found for Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, a course which has yet to be seen referenced from any other data inside the game:

This is not definitive confirmation by any means, but there's multiple pieces of evidence scattered throughout that makes me think that both Albert Park and Watkins Glen will be showing up for GT7, maybe by tomorrow. There is yet to be anymore evidence found for Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. Road Atlanta has been spotted inside the database a while back, but no Scapes resources have been found (yet).

Possibly DLC, unless they've been adding tracks like Deep Forest in last minute.

 

[ArR29]

Lol, the irony that you're putting Gran Turismo against HZD and GoW and somehow the one where you go in circles chasing a rabbit isn't the boring one.

Walking simulator was always a stupid term, but there are legitimately games to which it applies somewhat reasonably like Gone Home, Stanley Parable or Edith Finch. If you don't like those then that's fine, but HZD and GoW are so far from that style of gameplay that one can only imagine that you can't find anything legitimate to criticise them for.

It's like criticising Gran Turismo for being a terrible open world game. Saying that only shows that you know so little about the subject that your opinion should be dismissed outright.

What so ironic about it? And that post has nothing to do with Gran Turismo. Sony killed all of my favorite playstation IPs in favor of these.. Where's the diversity? I have my own reason to get mad. People don't see any problem with their AAA studios focusing too much on "cinematic experience''? And yes I'm exaggerating because I'm still salty that all of my favorite Sony titles are pretty much dead and there's no sign of them rebooting them. I'm not saying their recent games are bad not at all. I just don't find them interesting and got bored of them easily. They all have the same look and feel.


Now compared to these games. Their recent games above are way too gloomy dark and pretentious. Sure most of these IPs probably wouldn't be a huge seller, but what's wrong about asking for more diversity in exclusive games? What happened to their military and action stealth shooters, fast pace arcade games like wipe out and motorstorm, fun immersive fps like killzone and resistance? All of them have been replaced by gloomy pretentious third person games. No doubt they having a huge success with those those interactive games but once microsoft start pumping out their own exclusive games like Elder scrolls, Fallout, Wolfenstein, Doom, Startfield. What Sony's answer to those game gonna be? Another cinematic game for the 20th time?
And if you put Gran Turismo in the template above, it would look out of place.

 

[Maximum11]

What so ironic about it? And my posts has nothing to do with Gran Turismo. Sony killed all of my favorite playstation IPs in favor of these.. Where's the diversity? I have my own reason to get mad. People don't see any problem with their AAA studios focusing too much on "cinematic experience''? And yes I'm exaggerating because I'm still salty because all of my favorite Sony titles are pretty much dead and there's no sign of them rebooting them. I'm not saying their recent games are bad not at all. I just don't find them interesting and got bored of them easily. They all have the same look and feel.

Have you not played Ratchet & Clank Drift Apart? It's really a blast of PS5.

 

[ArR29]

Have you not played Ratchet & Clank Drift Apart? It's really a blast of PS5.

I love Ratchet and clank and I wish there were more games like that. But I'm so pissed that their main focus is third person game these days. I apologies for sounding too arrogant but I'm just not a huge fan of their recent triple AAA titles.

 

[Samus]

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What so ironic about it? And that post has nothing to do with Gran Turismo. Sony killed all of my favorite playstation IPs in favor of these.. Where's the diversity? I have my own reason to get mad. People don't see any problem with their AAA studios focusing too much on "cinematic experience''? And yes I'm exaggerating because I'm still salty that all of my favorite Sony titles are pretty much dead and there's no sign of them rebooting them. I'm not saying their recent games are bad not at all. I just don't find them interesting and got bored of them easily. They all have the same look and feel.
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Now compared to these games. Their recent games above are way too gloomy dark and pretentious. Sure most of these IPs probably wouldn't be a huge seller, but what's wrong about asking for more diversity in exclusive games? What happened to their military and action stealth shooters, fast pace arcade games like wipe out and motorstorm, fun immersive fps like killzone and resistance? All of them have been replaced by gloomy pretentious third person games. No doubt they having a huge success with those those interactive games but once microsoft start pumping out their own exclusive games like Elder scrolls, Fallout, Wolfenstein, Doom, Startfield. What Sony's answer to those game gonna be? Another cinematic game for the 20th time?

Selective biased images much? "These games all have your character in a forest or jungle at some point so they're all exactly the same".

Anyway, this is the GT7 topic, not the "All modern PS games suck except Gran Turismo" topic.

 

[Nebuc72]

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Now compared to these games. Their recent games above are way too gloomy dark and pretentious. Sure most of these IPs probably wouldn't be a huge seller, but what's wrong about asking for more diversity in exclusive games? What happened to their military and action stealth shooters, fast pace arcade games like wipe out and motorstorm, fun immersive fps like killzone and resistance? All of them have been replaced by gloomy pretentious third person games. No doubt they having a huge success with those those interactive games but once microsoft start pumping out their own exclusive games like Elder scrolls, Fallout, Wolfenstein, Doom, Startfield. What Sony's answer to those game gonna be? Another cinematic game for the 20th time?

6, arguably 7/9 games in this arrangement are predominantly dull and brown. There's actually more variety in colour and environments in the "walking simulator" games you've also shown - games that have plenty of unique gameplay outside of your cherry picking of showing stills of a character from behind.

What a ridiculous post.

 

[Scaff]

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What so ironic about it? And that post has nothing to do with Gran Turismo. Sony killed all of my favorite playstation IPs in favor of these.. Where's the diversity? I have my own reason to get mad. People don't see any problem with their AAA studios focusing too much on "cinematic experience''? And yes I'm exaggerating because I'm still salty that all of my favorite Sony titles are pretty much dead and there's no sign of them rebooting them. I'm not saying their recent games are bad not at all. I just don't find them interesting and got bored of them easily. They all have the same look and feel.
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Now compared to these games. Their recent games above are way too gloomy dark and pretentious. Sure most of these IPs probably wouldn't be a huge seller, but what's wrong about asking for more diversity in exclusive games? What happened to their military and action stealth shooters, fast pace arcade games like wipe out and motorstorm, fun immersive fps like killzone and resistance? All of them have been replaced by gloomy pretentious third person games. No doubt they having a huge success with those those interactive games but once microsoft start pumping out their own exclusive games like Elder scrolls, Fallout, Wolfenstein, Doom, Startfield. What Sony's answer to those game gonna be? Another cinematic game for the 20th time?

Now aside from the fact that nothing in your post actually supports your claim in regard to sales success, the reason why Sony makes these titles is simple, they are what people want and buy.

However I can't resist a few observations in your dislike of gloomy, dark, pretentious, 3rd person titles that want to be cinematic.

Resistance: Gloomy, dark, pretentious and cinematic (as you seem to use this to define any title that has cut-scenes and a vague story)
SOCOM: 3rd Person, gloomy and dark
Killzone: Gloomy, dark, pretentious and cinematic
Little Big Planet: Still with us in the form of the bigger, better, bolder and more colourful Dreams
Syphon Filter: Gloomy, dark, pretentious, cinematic and 3rd person (that one hits all the bases).
Gran Turismo: Really, really, did you miss the recent news?

Want to know why FPS military shooter don't cut it as a first party draw anymore? Blame Activision and the COD series, it didn't just stop Sony making them, it pretty much stopped anybody making AAA titles in that genre.

Just about the only area I would agree with you on would be the need for a solid arcade racer. You also seem to have missed yesterdays news that Sony bought Bungie, the studio that literally focuses on bright, FPS shooters, but I hate to break it to you that they could be considered a bit cinematic and in Halo's case more than a little pretentious.

 

[ArR29]

Selective biased images much? "These games all have your character in a forest or jungle at some point so they're all exactly the same".

Anyway, this is the GT7 topic, not the "All modern PS games suck except Gran Turismo" topic.

Those are their biggest titles. And no I don't think Gran Turismo is better than any of those games, why put words in my mouth? All I want from Sony this gen is more diversity of games from their top developers is all. More arcade racing games that could compliment Gran Turismo. Some of those game have far better visuals than Gran Turismo on PS4.

 

[Silver Arrows]

And no I don't think Gran Turismo is better than any of those games, why put words in my mouth

GT is still is their biggest franchise, it deserves its own event.

Uh huh. Absolutely.

Syphon Filter: Gloomy, dark, pretentious, cinematic and 3rd person (that one hits all the bases).

The taser disagrees. All hail the Eldritch god that is the taser!

 

[Samus]

Those are their biggest titles.

Selective because you or someone just picked images of the character standing in a tree area doing nothing, as if that is what all of those games are. It's purposely misrepresentative. Why not include Aloy fighting some robots in the Horizon screenshot, or a norse god in GOW, or inside a building with infected in Last Of Us, or a shootout in the desert in Uncharted? Why does it also conveniently exclude any games you couldn't find to match, like Spider-Man, Bloodborne, Gravity Rush, Knack, Concrete Jungle, MLB, Dreams, Sackboy, Destruction All Stars, the already mentioned Ratchet and Clank?

Because it doesn't fit your narrative that they're all the same.

 

[Scaff]

Selective because you or someone just picked images of the character standing in a tree area doing nothing, as if that is what all of those games are. It's purposely misrepresentative. Why not include Aloy fighting some robots in the Horizon screenshot, or a norse god in GOW, or inside a building with infected in Last Of Us, or a shootout in the desert in Uncharted? Why does it also conveniently exclude any games you couldn't find to match, like Spider-Man, Bloodborne, Gravity Rush, Knack, Concrete Jungle, MLB, Dreams, Sackboy, Destruction All Stars, the already mentioned Ratchet and Clank?

Because it doesn't fit your narrative that they're all the same.

Don't forget Astro, which is the very definition of colourful.

However let's get back on topic

 

[ArR29]

Now aside from the fact that nothing in your post actually supports your claim in regard to sales success, the reason why Sony makes these titles is simple, they are what people want and buy.

However I can't resist a few observations in your dislike of gloomy, pretentious, 3rd person titles that want to be cinematic.

Resistance: Gloomy, dark, pretentious and cinematic (as you seem to use this to define any title that has cut-scenes and a vague story)
SOCOM: 3rd Person, gloomy and dark
Killzone: Gloomy, dark, pretentious and cinematic
Little Big Planet: Still with us in the form of the bigger, better, bolder and more colourful Dreams
Syphon Filter: Gloomy, dark, pretentious, cinematic and 3rd person (that one hits all the bases).
Gran Turismo: Really, really, did you miss the recent news?

Want to know why FPS military shooter don't cut it as a first party draw anymore? Blame Activision and the COD series, it didn't just stop Sony making them, it pretty much stopped anybody making AAA title sin that genre.

Just about the only area I would agree with you on would be the need for a solid arcade racer. You also seem to have missed yesterdays news that Sony bought Bungie, the studio that literally focuses on bright, FPS shooters, but I hate to break it to you that they could be considered a bit cinematic and in Halo's case more than a little pretentious.

I'm aware that those titles were commercial failures but I see nothing wrong if they go back and reevaluate their older IPs.

6, arguably 7/9 games in this arrangement are predominantly dull and brown. There's actually more variety in colour and environments in the "walking simulator" games you've also shown - games that have plenty of unique gameplay outside of your cherry picking of showing stills of a character from behind.

What a ridiculous post.

I'm not talking about color grading here. There's nothing ridiculous about wanting them to invest on their old classic titles. Those games made Playstation great.

Uh huh. Absolutely.

Where's the part where I said that GT is superior than any other game? In fact GT isn't my top IP from Sony. It's Resistance series and SOCOM.

 

[Veinz]

GT used to be Sony’s ace in the hole but not anymore.

 

[warp9engage]

GT used to be Sony’s ace in the hole but not anymore.

I would say that is God of War now. In terms of average copies sold, per day, GoW left the other exclusives of last gen in the dust.

 

[ArR29]

GT used to be Sony’s ace in the hole but not anymore.

Well, imo it still is. There are still a lot of people who would buy a Playstation for Gran Turismo. It's not like they have any other choice, they don't have any 1st party racing dev out there that I know of aside from PD.

 

[Scaff]

Well, imo it still is. There are still a lot of people who would buy a Playstation for Gran Turismo. It's not like they have any other choice, they don't have any 1st party racing dev out there that I know of aside from PD.

Is GT still a draw to the platform as a 1st party exclusive? Yes, literally no one denied that.

Is it the main draw to the platform in terms of 1st party exclusives, i.e. the actual ace in the hole? Based on sales volumes, no it isn't, the Spiderman and GoW series more than tops GT in that regard.

Now I suspect that as a total percentage of PlayStation owners, very few will buy one just for GoW or Spiderman, but the reality is that the number who do for a GT title are also going to be amazingly low. People who do are also borderline useless for Sony in terms of profit and revenue, they literally want the people who are going to give them the highest attach rate they can.

 

[ImaRobot]

Well, imo it still is. There are still a lot of people who would buy a Playstation for Gran Turismo. It's not like they have any other choice, they don't have any 1st party racing dev out there that I know of aside from PD.

That doesn't make it Sony's biggest franchise at all, though, like you said. That just makes it their biggest racing game. There's quite a big distinction there.

 

[Maximum11]

I love Ratchet and clank and I wish there were more games like that. But I'm so pissed that their main focus is third person game these days. I apologies for sounding too arrogant but I'm just not a huge fan of their recent triple AAA titles.

Same here don't worry . I guess it's tempting to create an open world when you have such power at hand, create a license which will generate cash for a few years using the same engine and so on... Personnaly I'm also going away from these and enjoy games like Ratchet, Kena. Looking forward to Horizon but I fear it's gonna be a looong game.

 

[ArR29]

That doesn't make it Sony's biggest franchise at all, though, like you said. That just makes it their biggest racing game. There's quite a big distinction there.

I already rectify my original post that it wasn't about the most popular or highest selling game in recent years but the biggest selling playstation franchise overall and that's where all misunderstanding started. And here's no way I'm going back and discuss my pointless ranting again.

Is GT still a draw to the platform as a 1st party exclusive? Yes, literally no one denied that.

Is it the main draw to the platform in terms of 1st party exclusives, i.e. the actual ace in the hole? Based on sales volumes, no it isn't, the Spiderman and GoW series more than tops GT in that regard.

Now I suspect that as a total percentage of PlayStation owners, very few will buy one just for GoW or Spiderman, but the reality is that the number who do for a GT title are also going to be amazingly low. People who do are also borderline useless for Sony in terms of profit and revenue, they literally want the people who are going to give them the highest attach rate they can.

Well, nobody buy a console for one game of course.

Spiderman and GoW series more than tops GT in that regard

Looking forward to seeing how GT7 would perform commercially given that this is a mainline GT and they're heavy on nostalgia pandering.

 

[Samus]

Well, nobody buy a console for one game of course.

They do, several are active in this forum.

 

[Quakebass]

Spoiler

I don't take credit on finding any of these. A contact of mine was snooping through the text resource data for Scapes of Gran Turismo Sport when they ran into these:

The multiple entries inside the resources are for various different points (such as different corners) around the particular scene, in this case the two courses listed above. The fact that the two courses which appear here, Watkins Glen, which has an entry in the database for Version 1.61 of GT Sport, and Albert Park, which was recently spotted in a marketing video as "just a decorative picture frame", supplements their possible inclusion for Gran Turismo 7.

The same can be found inside the Japanese language text resource files for Scapes, although using a different ID:

In addition, two Scapes entries were found for Daytona International Speedway:

Furthermore, two Scapes entries were found for Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, a course which has yet to be seen referenced from any other data inside the game:

This is not definitive confirmation by any means, but there's multiple pieces of evidence scattered throughout that makes me think that both Albert Park and Watkins Glen will be showing up for GT7, maybe by tomorrow. There is yet to be anymore evidence found for Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. Road Atlanta has been spotted inside the database a while back, but no Scapes resources have been found (yet).

If this is credible, it could be that they just haven't yet been in state to be shown, were intentionally held for later marketing pushes, or they're still in development for post-launch.

GTS launched with scapes for Le Mans but without the track present, all further post-launch circuits received scapes along side. I highly doubt they'd go to circuits just for scapes, so again, this seems like a good indicator if credible.