Gran Turismo 7 Physics
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initiating drift in GT7 is good, the weight transfer feels really solid in GT7, the way you initiate your drift is mostly the same to the IRL but the way you lose the rear traction is unrealistic. you used your straight line momentum to carry your drift from the start to mid corner and once you add throttle it almost snap you into a spin, you had to quickly give ton of opposite lock and back off the throttle not to spin the car that's why you couldn't end your drift at the outside part of the track. where the hot version video he had his right foot planted the moment he started his drift then he did a minor throttle and steer adjustment mid corner with no sudden movement at all very predictable.
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mid drift GT7@ 6.2K RPM
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I haven't even mentioned the speed you're going is around 20km/h slower than his.
Nope, I tried TA using the sports hard tyre and got a 1.07.8xx on my 2nd try that's why I downgraded my tyre to CS and got around 1.08.6xx. the michelin PS4 is closer to CS than SH.
now you're just making assumption whether the GR86 can complete the drift on 4th gear IRL at the last corner of tsukuba. One thing is for sure though, just like @tedaxe explained if you're not purposefully drifting, the GR86 exit corner characteristic is mild understeer not snap oversteer.
I agree here.. it seems there Is a problem on gt7 when you floor your feet at 100% throttle over some precise steering angle. This Is what cause sudden oversteer even on high speed corner. It's a shame,and i hope some improvements will come in this regards..
But as you say, weight transfer are really good on this game. This Is why start a slide or simply drive smooth and clean is really good and fun on this game.
On the other side Ac has bad weight transfer, on brake expeccially (at least is my opinion),and car balancing matters less than what it should ... this Is why i feel disconnected and i find the drive more flat and less fun.
Ac doesn't have some have some heavy issue like the snap oversteer on gt7,It does everything quite good, but i find those aspects which gt7 does good better than Ac ones
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Yes really… GT7 while not perfect definitely went in the right direction in the physics department… Earlier in this thread how many people were mocking and making fun of the game? “Oh you cant take a Miata around with out spinning out… omg the RX-8 370z etc are horrid to drive…” The physics are broken etc… ok no problem show a video of you driving and show me where they are completely broken… show me why you can’t get a 370z with loosing the rear… because the GT7 I’m playing it’s not the case… do I spin out occasionally sure do.. does the car get crazy on me when I think I should not yup, however majority of the time after watching the replay it’s either I’m giving way to much throttle or I’m pushing the car when it’s unbalanced.
I’ve seen this same situation in the AC forms… a player who mostly plays GT gets AC doesn’t like it goes on the forums and says the game drives like crap! What do you think the people who play AC say? They want to see the proof.. how easy is it to come on a board and say a game drives like crap? You got many people who can post streamers, other car videos but then you ask to see them drive and it’s crickets… am I supposed to just take their word to heart? People have came on here say GT7 is broken the FF cars are oversteering… or Awd shouldn’t oversteer etc… that’s not correct both Awd and FF cars can oversteer… so again why should I of anyone just go off on people opinion.. I’ve asked numerous times for the people saying the physics are garbage and broken… please show me because these are some of the same people who were saying you can’t take a stock underpowered car without spinning it out… I have posted driving cars with downgraded tires, No electronics aids and drove the track with no problem to be only told… your a grip racer… Again I’m not here saying GT7 is the best sim out there, but it deserves its props… the best people can do to downplay the game is compare it to hardcore sims… not on a console but on CPU… and please don’t tell me it’s the same… I bought ACC and AC thinking I was going to get the game the CPU users got and it’s not even close… you literally have CPU users telling people your better getting these games on cpu because the console versions are bare…
@m76 If you have issues why are you still playing the game?? If you can’t enjoy the game why are you here trying to convince others on your negative outlook? I am not trying to convince anyone I said the game is not perfect but is heading in the right direction… I have posted many videos of my driving proofing my point the cars are not that hard to drive… You say physics broken right? Can you post your driving to show that they are broken?
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I've posted videos of my driving as have others, as such claiming it's not happened is simply not true, that was the point I was making. That said if a streamers video is showing the same thing they are talking about I'm at a loss as to why that wouldn't be an acceptable alternate?
I'm also not aware of anyone saying FF and AWD cars shouldn't oversteer? I must of missed the posts if they did, quite possible, I can't read everything. However if they have, I would join you in saying that's not correct.
A positive outlook on GT is not a requirement of the AUP, as such members are free to talk about what they find, positive or negative, as long as they follow the AUP.
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Yes I have seen only you post a video and I have said what I think about your opinion and video….
You have also just recently just correct and corrected people earlier in this thread.. a member talking about oversteer with FF cars when they said it was impossible… or it was a lack of ABS you corrected him… you also commented on my story when I explain I spun my Civic SI… when people were saying FF cars don’t loose there rear… you said it’s just exaggerated In GT7… I know you deal with a lot information on this board it’s no biggie… my problem though is the AUP talk… @m76 told me that I enjoy the game and why am I on here trying to convince people.. and that I should just be playing the game…. That’s the only reason I said what I said… but I’m the only one who got the AUP talk??? While I respect all the mods on here you guys do a good job, but I don’t agree with me getting AUP talk when I didn’t start that specific topic.
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I found the same thing, CS tire seemed to get me right in the ballpark of their times from that video (this was ~week ago, haven't played on latest update) and was overall pretty fun to drive. I think oversteer tendency is still a bit of a bummer/not right but much more manageable.
That sound generator noise makes me want to smack someone. Sounds like fake rotary engine. Thank GOD PD didn't replicate that.
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I am crazy about tires lol! In my very small league lol 😂 We have a tire system in which I tried to do my best to match up RL tires with GT… obviously it’s not perfect but it works and my group loves it! I been driving only Ferrari since I got GT7 I’m trying to set them up to their real life counterparts.. I just finished yesterday, let’s take The Enzo, example..
My tires system has different rating for each category,
Tire profile- This is how the tire actually looks… is it a old classic tire, a modern day comfort tire, extreme sport tire, semi slick or full out race tire. Using the Enzo Ferrari the stock tires are Bridgestone Potenzas RE050A Scuderia.. This is a Comfort tire profile, which mean when taking pictures or just viewing the car the tire choice would be of comfort to match the real life tire profile.
Street rating- This is the rating the tire gets for street use or very light track use.. Street rating is going to be typycially the highest rating your tire is going to get but it’s not always the case. For street use tires are not that much a demand, The Enzo Ferrari gets Sports hard tires for street rating.
Track rating- This rating, the tire get it choice by how well does it perform on a full blown track day. Street tires might be great on the street but once tracked they can act completely different. Track driving is much more demanding on the tires especially street tires because of the heat issues you run into. Typically Track tire ratings are lower than street tire ratings.. For the Ferrari’s Enzo the track rating of the BStone Potenzas are Comfort Softs
Drag Racing rating- This rating is for drag racing.. GT7 doesn’t do so well in this department with the oem tires… this is going to be the highest rating you get from your tires in which I try to get the tire that best matches 1/4 times. Still some times are way of but it’s the best I can do to combat the poor drag racing oem tires.
It more information also miles, wear rate etc… I also agree with the way you were rating the tires, I didn’t mean to go off topic a bit I was just intrigued on your tire ratings!
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In my league they would be a
-Comfort soft profile (The way they look if you took pics of your car)
Sports Hard for street use (Tokyo highway single lane spirited driving) and light track days no more than 15min sessions.
Comfort Soft for full blown track days 15 min+ sessions
As you said they could be easy CS/SH tires.
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This. Right here. This thoughtless, binary, polarizing nonsense is what gets people on both sides all riled up. You're an instigator, not a conversationalist.
There are many of us here that have real life experience with cars that are fully aware of the issues in the game, and want them to change, but aren't so childish that we resort to complete hysteria and hyperbole to get across a point that means next to nothing, and are also aware of the physics in game that ARE TRUE TO LIFE.
Things need to be fixed. Some cars are broken. There are options we want that aren't available... but "very basic arcade game"? Ha ha, this just lets most of us know that you have ZERO nuance when debating something, and your disingenuous way of speaking pays off in volumes when it comes to discrediting whatever you say. You would do well in politics.
GT7 gets many things wrong, AND MANY, MANY THINGS RIGHT. So you can sit there in the corner and whine about how your new toy isn't perfect, and throw it away like a spoiled child instead of showing a modicum of patience, but most of us will continue to play it for the fun and challenge it provides and all the wonderful things it does right while we wait for PD to make some changes that will make it BETTER.
And again, why are you here if you hate it so much and have nothing of substance to add? To be riled and to rile others, that's why.
Be constructive, or be irrelevant.
Anyone that thinks the physics in GT7 are good, does not drive a car in the rain.
Cars do not hydroplane at 30mph. You don't lose traction at 20 in the rain and slide for 80 feet. That is ice and snow. Anyone that drives a car in the rain should know that. I drive to work at 70 mph in the rain and its just fine. Less traction than drive but it is not the same as ice skating, which I have done also. In fact, I can turn better on a pair of skis in hard pack or powder and have more control.
Also, I can see the road ahead IRL at night, unlike GT7. There are a few races that I can't drive unless I have the driving line on. Transitioning from a dark tunnel to bright light is terrible also.
Cars do not hydroplane at 30mph. You don't lose traction at 20 in the rain and slide for 80 feet. That is ice and snow. Anyone that drives a car in the rain should know that. I drive to work at 70 mph in the rain and its just fine. Less traction than drive but it is not the same as ice skating, which I have done also. In fact, I can turn better on a pair of skis in hard pack or powder and have more control.
Also, I can see the road ahead IRL at night, unlike GT7. There are a few races that I can't drive unless I have the driving line on. Transitioning from a dark tunnel to bright light is terrible also.
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I haven't spent enough time in the rain testing things out to be 100% sure, but honestly I'm not sure I agree with this. I mean the rain definitely exacerbates the snap oversteer issues in RWD cars, but in an FF for example I think the rain feels totally fine, at least on comfort tires or wets/intermediates. On sport tires it's a little bit sketchy but sports tires are supposed to be semi slicks, so it would make sense for them to be much sketchier in the rain than normal road tires.
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I use a T300 , but I thought I would try it with a controller.
Wow…this game is designed with a controller in mind.
So much easier to control and correct when the car loose grip.
Wow…this game is designed with a controller in mind.
So much easier to control and correct when the car loose grip.
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Not only that pushing the car with no electronic aids? Like unless on the track who’s doing that in the street? The grip on the rain is fine until you get into that blue zone… with the wrong tires all hell will break loose!
I am skeptical that you have done very much driving in the rain IRL. Sorry, but it is definitely more comparable to ice/snow. In fact it is almost identical to hard pack snow, scraped by the plow, unless you are over 30 or 40mph, and then it is pure ice.
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It's strange you say this because it doesn't happen in the game until the meter goes up to level 3 STANDING WATER. I doubt you're hitting any puddles at 70 on the motorway on the way to work, and if you did, you'd notice the hard pull on the wheel and potentially hydroplaning based on your tires and tread depth. Even still, you can find the dry spots on track anyways. Cars I drive on SH-SS tires don't hydroplane in the game at 30mph either. Not until almost triple digit speeds will they begin to slip, and only when the meter is in the top portion (deluge). Lowest third I push like it's dry, no hydroplaning, second third I give myself more room and am careful... still no hydroplaning, third level hydroplaning in standing water at speed which is how the real world works. Slicks will hydroplane much easier and sooner because they have no voids to allow water to escape from under them, so they are basically irrelevant in the wet, and if you're having problems in that way then, yeah, take the slicks off. I've only experienced hydroplaning on the Ring in hard rain and standing water down the main straight passing 120mph... pretty reasonable to me.
I also have no problems in night races, so on both counts I just think you're off base.
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Aha, so do you drive on slicks in the iRL when it rains? Or do you drive iRL with street tires on a race track in the rain? So I don't understand your complaints.
And I had already had aquaplaning here in Germany on the A7 with almost new top tires (Dunlop Sport Maxx) at a little over 60 km/h and I was just lucky that I slowed down anyway because the weather wasn't so good . So don't just say it can't happen.
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Yeah I'm sorry but this is absolutely ridiculous hyperbole. Are you trying to drive at 100% in the pouring rain on racing hards??
I could accept that GT7 in the wet has a little less grip than real life (in addition to the snap oversteer issue), but it feels absolutely nothing like "hard pack snow" when you're on comfort or wet tires. Your gross exaggeration leads me to believe you're misunderstanding something with the tires. What tires do you have on when the wet feels like "pure ice"?
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Honestly they could be a little more demanding in my opinion… If your going off Racing tires I think that’s unfair, the sports hard to comforts a very good in the rain! You can still push the car and that’s with Electronic aids off except abs.. I just did a race in my Enzo in the pouring rain with no electronic aids except abs weak and it was fun. As long as you don’t abuse the throttle and brake early you will be good. I will post the video later.
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Great driving man! Yea the Sports hard are definitely manageable… I have raced on RH and was decent until the water maker get close to the blue shade.
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