I don't think I've come across a car that "just spins out" when throttle is applied, but there are many cars that are super sensitive to throttle inputs and chassis position. Which car was giving you the most trouble?
Nope. Regardless if the tires are loaded or unloaded, the progressive steering input with the full throttle should rotate the car. There are countless posts of examples with this with the car.
This is a demonstration of what a car shouldn’t do under these conditions. GT7 an AC are being compared and contrasted with examples of real life. Arguments are still within the scope of GT7 and there are rl videos already posted with these comparisons.
It's been done so many times, if you read the thread you would know that.
I changed my mind very much. The physics felt a bit weird at first but with rather good physics base. After about 100 hours I realized how great the physics is. I was the one who needed fix but currently the physics feels awesome to me and there is maybe no fix necessary. Still I have some troubles under braking but it's maybe my technique. The game is much deeper than I could ever imagine for GT. I am very surprised.
...or, we just don't like the current physics and prefer not to play it till it improves. No dented pride or denial involved.
Ah OK, did you setup the wheel correctly? used the correct FFB and turned off the aggresive understeer feedback?
I haven't seen any stock GT86 videos running circuit de Barcelon-catalunya, mind sharing them so I can study them better to see how GT86 reacts on the corners?
so now you changed to 4th gear and not defending 5th gear, man you change your opinion quick. also can you quote him on that? cause I remembered it was 5th gear that he posted then I started to do the test myself.
yeah but you said this
how can it not prove anything? so you're saying it's possible for a RX-8 to lose it's rear traction on full throttle at 111km/h or 69 mph at 4.8K RPM? lots of people would've been dead driving IRL RX-8 then cause that's highway driving gear and speed.
This is exactly where the problems lie, I find. If I drive a modern car I don't have the same problems, I actually enjoyed taming the madness of the Ferrari F12 because it doesn't surprise me that a modern supercar with 700HP breaks traction easy. Most modern race cars have been okay because they're cars you don't want to have much, if any slip with. But driving RWD classic cars is where it starts to fall apart, they handle with the same philosophy as the modern cars where you have to have as little tire slip as possible. But if you for example, watch Goodwood Revival clips you'll often see the way those cars all steer there is always slip, the car isn't beyond grip but it is slipping and you just can't drive a car like that in GT7 as the sweet spot of tire slip is so narrow.
I'll bite.
Try the classic Alpine A110 at Tsukuba, it's very unhinged for a car with 140HP, especially in the hairpins. The line between spinning out and not losing grip at all is much finer than it should be. I find it's okay at higher speeds but slow tight turns are strangely ridiculous.
To be fair, the Alpine A110 also weighs 706kg, so it's bound to be a bit snappy. Same territory as the Stratos, requires a lot of precision to succeed.I'll bite.
Yea, that window is narrow. Particularly for street compounds that should be able to be abused almost recklessly. And couple that with the FFB issues mentioned earlier, GT7 isn't triumphant in any way...but...there's a lot to like, especially compared to GTS...
I love driving it in DR2, probably my favourite car to drive in that game, you can use the RR layout to your advantage by using lift off oversteer and then using the throttle to bring it back. But in GT7 the characteristics are excessively snappy, it does the lift off oversteer but in GT7 if you use the throttle to balance the car it usually just continues on its slideways trajectory into the abyss unless you really countersteer to save it in which case the grip comes back suddenly and you can easily find yourself turning right in a left hander. Don't get me wrong, I understand there are cars that should be a handful. But it should be fairly intuitive as to when a car is about to break and regain grip, I should hear, see and feel the car starting to lose grip before it fully breaks away into something I have to correct and save.
Yeah, that Mini was good fun. GT7's FWD physics are pretty damn good, as when I first picked up the game and drove the first few cars (FWD) that the game gives you I was really impressed at how good the physics were. It's RWD where I find GT7's physics hit the wall, it's a lot like Enthusia Professional Racing for PS2. That game came out just before GT4 and it had some of the most fun FWD and AWD physics in any game (never had I been so excited driving a Renault Clio), but much like GT7, RWD was often impossibly sketchy (MR was okay, FR was cursed). I'm actually curious as to how AWD feels in GT7 now, as it's something I haven't really tried yet. Maybe I'll take that Celica GT-Four I just bought for a spin later.
after getting used to the GT7 physics quirks I can catch most of my power oversteer problem, but if you ask me out of all car that I've driven so far it would be the RX-8 on comfort soft. that thing snaps quite violently on throttle application.
I liked the Catalunya CE with the Huracan Gr.3 and the Nurburgring CE with the M6 Gr.3, I even switched all assist off except for ABS and they don't have the same problem the road cars have in GT7. the lambo was oversteering on entry so I put the brake balance to 3 to the front and the car was easy to drive after that, the M6 was understeering on entry so I put the brake balance to 4 on the rear and it fixed most of the understeer. haven't tried the deep forest with Audi R8 LMS, might give them a go tonight.
I think it's mostly RWD cars rather than FR cars, the porsche 997 GT3 snaps quite hard on throttle application.
I'd have to get back to you on that one, but you could very well be right. I'm trying to blindly guess how their physics engine works, maybe they have a default set of characteristics for each vehicle layout and then adjust a few more car specific parameters beyond that. I posted the other day about the 330 P4 and A220 and how despite both being late 60s cars that raced at Le Mans they both default to very different tires (RH and CS respectively), and this suggests to me that those individual car parameters aren't consistent. But this is a separate point entirely, as both cars still suffer from having very little controllable slip angle. Says to me that it's in the core physics themselves, I guess (which makes what I said earlier about it being a tires problem moot).
You're mixing things up a lot here though, the M6 doesn't suffer at all from any uncontrollable oversteer from a sudden loss of rear axle grip. If you write something like that, I unfortunately have to doubt everything. The M6 is extremely stable on the road even at the high-speed curves, airfield, Kottenborn, Schwerdenkreuz, courage curve and others, even at over 280 km/h in some cases. If the M6 had any "snap" inclination, it would never go flat at the latest at the Schwedenkreuz.
Sry I missed this.
Multi-faceted in which way? Are you insulting me?
I drove a bunch of cars at Deep Forest so I can at least give you some sort of answer, my two favourites were the Renault 8 Gordini and Alpine A110 '17 (I like French cars). The Gordini was really fun, even if it did feel a bit more slidey than it would realistically be, it was catchable and adjustable beyond grip which is what I expect. The new A110 was also catchable.I mean, you answered your own question, no need to get so salty. Honestly, my expectation of how the game should handle is that it should be fun while giving you a relative idea of what these cars would do in reality. I don't think for certain cars like the ones I mentioned that the game is able to even do that, it's harsher than reality so it's not really fun. The reason I mentioned period tires is because it's something Assetto Corsa does, and it's not a bad idea.
At least on a DD with low INT value (smoothing), slipping is felt very, very clearly - the FFB feels like it starts clipping; it goes from lively, bumpy, crunchy, buzzy to totally smooth. It's like a very clear "edge" in FFB that you need to balance.
Surprisingly, I am also extremely satisfied with my T248.
Oh, you can feel it clearly as well? I've been wondering if the sensation can be felt as easily in less expensive wheels.
