Gran Turismo 7 takes center stage in an all-new State of Play, arriving Wednesday at 2pm Pacific:

[Greatbee]

This is the ultimate Gran Turismo!

 

[GTboyz]

Are the Greddy built car/cars unknown at this stage?

My guess is that Sung Kang's FuguZ will be labeled as Greddy built cars. Hoping the turbo Civic EF is also in the game.

 

[VinylRichie]

Game looks fine, but there's nothing there that particularly excites me. The headline features seem to be stuff that I already have in other racing games. If I didn't have those games I'm sure I'd be keen to buy, but that's not the case. As someone interested in racing games I already own a fair bunch of racing games, and another one that's just including a bunch of features that were cutting edge in 2015 isn't that interesting.

There's also still an odd vibe. It seems very focused on aspects of car culture that feel kind of elitist, for want of a better word. It would seem a little mean to call it Gran Turismo 7: The Car Hipster Simulator but that's the way it feels to me. It's something different from what a lot of other games have that tend to be either "super serious motorsport" or "The Fast and the Furious", but it's not something that clicks with me. I still think there's room for a game to do the Best Motoring/Top Gear vibe better. Historically Gran Turismo seemed to be the closest thing to that, but I think they're steering away into this Jay Leno/Jay Kay/Chris Evans ultimate car collector simulator.

I'm sure it feels authentic to Kaz, a wealthy man with deep connections to the inner circles of motoring, but this doesn't feel like any part of car culture that is familiar to me or that I would even want to be a part of. I always felt the collecting part was secondary to the driving part, and so a game where the collection is explicitly first and foremost just feels off.

Don't pretend like there aren't obvious immediate financial incentives for Sony not to show PS4 footage until the last moment. If the game looks bad on PS4 then they don't want that cat out of the bag until as late as possible. Even if it looks okay, they'd rather people drool over the PS5 footage and form unreasonable expectations of what the PS4 will look like in order to convince themselves to pre-order.

You have a fixation on them killing the PS4 version early, and you're grasping for any reason to try and justify it. This isn't that. It's standard marketing practice for cross-platform games, and there's no reason to look any deeper than that.

Ahm yeah for you it isn’t familiar, but for other people it is, and you don’t have to be Rich or something, just love car culture and it’s whole history.
And where does the state of play make it look like it’s a collecting Game at First? It’s just one part of the video, there’s a lot about car physics, car models, weather, tuning, driving licenses and so on, and it will still habe FIA Multiplayer like gt Sport. For me it looks more like they want to give players the whole package and give as much people as possible the opportunity to celebrate car culture in their own way.

 

[05XR8]

 

[bnight]

As I said, they seem more focused on looking at cars than they are about racing them.

Sadly if you are part of modern day car culture you will understand that most of the current car fens are more focused on looking at cars than they are about racing them. And this game is an example of that and GT Sport Scapes and Liveries have huge traffic because of that. To be fair I really liked the trailer mostly because it was exactly what I expect a 25 years anniversary game to look like. In some ways this is GT1 with everything wired and not making sense but for the 21st century where watching cars is more important than driving them. I don't know how many of you realise that back than 25 years ago this game was revolutionary in delivering exactly what they showed in this trailer an experience to collect cars and race them. I'm so excited for this game because 10 years old me was always dreaming of driving GT with a real racing cockpit and to enjoy that Denso or Tom's Supra around Speed Ring is something that I have dreaming for about 25 years. I want to stay up and wait for the Used cars dealership to do it's daily reset thing and but that once in a blue moon special car in an unique colour that you can't acquire otherwise and now they are adding how end place to do the same with daily refresh. And also they added new cars who else is excited for that GT350R I know I'm. 25 years ago this game was a revolution it changed how things were done. I remember following my local PC gaming magazine doing a time trial events every month mostly on Trial Mountain and this is now back as well and sure the array of cars is somehow limited 400 or so compared to GT5 this is nothing but I'm sure new cars will emerge and I think this game that I waited for not only through the entire PS4 era but through 25 years of my life is finally 1 month away. Surely the cars world and cars culture changed in this 25 years and not for the best there is laws against tuning of cars tried to be passed and devices to limit your average speed when traveling and racing is moving to electric and hybrid and even Formula 1 is not what it used to be like a 7 time world champion angry that he lost and not speaking for like 2 months now but we also are kind of back to the basics with this GT7 game and I kind of want to sit back and look at what 25 years of development delivered and what I saw yesterday was amazing it's exactly why this game is a must buy for the PS5. It will be everything 10 years old me wanted it to be and dreamed it to be.

 

[Scaff]

just noticed at around 33:30 at the start of the Car Physics portion, there's aquaplaning effects from the Porsche footage 😮

I see a Porsche going through some puddles, nothing to suggest it's aquaplaning, it's turning on a constant radius, which rules out aquaplaning. Nice water splash effects however.

Can you post a screenshot of exactly the point you think it's happening? As the section on the 4K capture starts at 18:47 for Car Physics (the video doesn't run to 33 mins) is what I'm referring to above.



Note I'm not ruling out aquaplaning, plenty of titles have it and I would hope GT7 joins them, I'm just not seeing any evidence of it at the point I think you're referring to.

 

[mynameis66]

Slightly underwhelming for me,but it is what it is.Some more info about single player races,qualifying and standing starts would have been good.
We will have to see on release day but looks like GTsport 2 to me.Just my 2 pence worth. 👍

 

[Bigbazz]

Understandably this forum has a split opinion on the game after the state of play but reading the comments on other non racing game specific websites it looks like many people who skipped 6 and Sport are impressed and will be returning to the series which would be music to Sony's ears.

Unfortunately GT has to cater for all types of players which sucks for some of us but ill still enjoy it and put hundreds of hours into it myself.

I skipped Sport but played GT5 and GT6 a hell of a lot, completed 100% of content in both. My impressions from the presentation were mostly very positive, but again I have the same concerns that I have with the old games.

1. The AI looks the same as it did 10 years ago. Most of the GT7 footage has a driver car racing against massively slower mobile chicanes in the typical "race from the back" with lifeless AI just plodding along and a driver zooming past like he's the only one taking part in a race.

2. The sounds always had a digital keyboard feel to them, weird pitch shifted effect with a really unnatural reverb sound on the replays. While the GT7 sounds are improved it's very much the same on that front, the same unnatural reverb and the same pitch-shifted digital sounding engine note with the same lack of harmonic variations and overtones. To top it off it's also very much the opposite of dramatic, and anyone who has sat inside a race car or been to a race will tell you that dramatic and aggressive does not begin to describe the experience. GT7 still doesn't seem to capture this, other games have been doing a great job for over a decade.

Certain aspects of GT games have these incremental improvements over years, while they also have these incredibly intricate and highly developed systems like the dynamic weather and skyboxes. PD are both the clear leaders in some areas while being quite a bit behind the times in others and just barely moving forward with each iteration. Easy to be frustrated because you want or expect more development on the core gameplay/driving experience.

 

[Imari]

I mean, it could turn into a Cyberpunk situation, but more then anything I think the reason that there isn't PS4 footage shown is simply because there isn't much to differentiate it from GTS in terms of graphics aside from potential dips from dynamic time and weather.

It'll be interesting to see the inevitable comparisons between the PS4 version and the PS5 version from Digital Foundry. It might ask a lot of questions of why the game wasn't developed for PS5 exclusively, considering what we have seen from PS5 clips looks not that different from GTS, and what they've actually done with graphics modes is bottom of the barrel stuff.

It's highly unlikely to be a Cyberpunk situation, and more like a Forza Horizon 5 situation. The X1 version didn't look bad at all considering the hardware, but the vast majority of the footage shown was from XSX because it looked even better. It's marketing, and there's no reason not to put your best foot forward. Or to show your not-so-best foot at all.

Ahm yeah for you it isn’t familiar, but for other people it is, and you don’t have to be Rich or something, just love car culture and it’s whole history.

If you're taking part in the aspects of car culture where there are multi-million dollar cars for sale or available to drive, you're rich. If you're building up a garage of multiple dream cars, you're rich. Anyone can observe from outside, but the high end car collecting world is nowhere near as accessible as say, grass roots motorsport or tuning cheap sports cars.

And where does the state of play make it look like it’s a collecting Game at First? It’s just one part of the video, there’s a lot about car physics, car models, weather, tuning, driving licenses and so on, and it will still habe FIA Multiplayer like gt Sport. For me it looks more like they want to give players the whole package and give as much people as possible the opportunity to celebrate car culture in their own way.

The XP levelling system is based around collecting. Fundamentally, that suggests that your progress through the game is gated by how your collection is going. Add in that Kaz describes GT Cafe as the career mode of the game and it's a mode where you work through menus where you collect cars.

There's a whole lot of other stuff there, but the basic structure of the progression of the single player side of the game looks a lot like it's built around collecting. That's backed up anecdotally by how much the marketing talks about car collecting and car culture, making it highly unlikely that this is all just accidental.

 

[KevinHeryanto]

Disclaimer: I loved the State of Play. It was well-edited and gave an in-depth look into the game. No marketing blabla but rather nice footage and no-bs description of what to expect. Even the quirky Japaneseness of the Music Rally was kinda cute, even though I wasn't super excited for it.

Then I see all the posts here and really think that a bunch of people need a reality check. 'I see no signs of improved AI', 'No infos on the damage model'. GT had more than 6 iterations to fix all these things but hasn't. But what it has done is shove free content up our behinds for years and a decent online experience with GT Sport.

Also, the State of Play was a 30 minutes teaser of a game taking 100s of hours to fully experience. If you base all you can think of GT 7, PD and Kaz on a trailer then no need to buy it.

I admit, I might be exactly in a demographic that this speaks to. I started my very own personal journey with GT3, worked in Japan for a Japanese car company, own a red NA Miata and go to a place resembling 'Legend Cars' every other month.

But dang this forum is a negativity vortex.

This forum is an echo chamber, The reception has been majority positive in other social media like Reddit, twitter (besides the console warring fanboys), ResetEra, etc.

IMO, GT hardcore fanbase is very similiar to the Halo hardcore fanbase. Anyone whose in both fanbases know what i mean

 

[Igano]

I see the AI finally got their much deserved role... moving checkpoints for music rally 🤣😂🤣

 

[dazdilly75]

Good lord the moaning on this thread about what the game is or isn't, is truly epic. Have any of you played it? Have you experienced the new weather and physics model? If you already don't like it, or you're not impressed by it, then don't buy it. Stick with GT sport. Or move over to Assetto Corsa. Kaz has more passion for racing and the franchise in his little finger, than you have in your whole body. For those who are excited for this next step in the franchise, see you on track! Its going to be epic!

 

[Scaff]

This forum is an echo chamber,

Nope, this forum is the very opposite of an echo chamber.

If it was an echo chamber then any dissenting voices would be removed, driven out, and censored.

Quite literally that your post exists proves it's not an echo chamber.

All posts about GT are permitted here, be they positive or otherwise, as long as they follow the AUP. Ironically what you seem to be wishing for here (and will not happen) is for the site to turn into an echo chamber of positivity.

 

[Mathaios_C]

Good lord the moaning on this thread about what the game is or isn't, is truly epic. Have any of you played it? Have you experienced the new weather and physics model? If you already don't like it, or you're not impressed by it, then don't buy it. Stick with GT sport. Or move over to Assetto Corsa. Kaz has more passion for racing and the franchise in his little finger, than you have in your whole body. For those who are excited for this next step in the franchise, see you on track! Its going to be epic!

A m e n

 

[binbin90]

I see a Porsche going through some puddles, nothing to suggest it's aquaplaning, it's turning on a constant radius, which rules out aquaplaning. Nice water splash effects however.

Can you post a screenshot of exactly the point you think it's happening? As the section on the 4K capture starts at 18:47 for Car Physics (the video doesn't run to 33 mins) is what I'm referring to above.



Note I'm not ruling out aquaplaning, plenty of titles have it and I would hope GT7 joins them, I'm just not seeing any evidence of it at the point I think you're referring to.

oh did I use the wrong term? I was referring to the splash effects hehehe 😅

 

[Scaff]

I admit, I might be exactly in a demographic that this speaks to. I started my very own personal journey with GT3, worked in Japan for a Japanese car company, own a red NA Miata and go to a place resembling 'Legend Cars' every other month.

I've spent 25 years in the industry, working for OEMs, training people at all levels. I spent time the other week in the company of this...

...doesn't mean I and others can't talk about what we did and didn't like from the event.

oh did I use the wrong term? I was referring to the splash effects hehehe 😅

No problem at all.

Aquaplaning would be an actual loss of control due to the tyres not being able to remove enough water ahead of them and starting to actually ride on top of the surface water.

 

[KevinHeryanto]

Nope, this forum is the very opposite of an echo chamber.

If it was an echo chamber then any dissenting voices would be removed, driven out, and censored.

Quite literally that your post exists proves it's not an echo chamber.

All posts about GT are permitted here, be they positive or otherwise, as long as they follow the AUP. Ironically what you seem to be wishing for here (and will not happen) is for the site to turn into an echo chamber of positivity.

Good lord, that is not what i mean at all. I use the word Echo chamber like how one would say twitter and reddit is a left-leaning echo chamber. Its just that the majority opinion here differs from what the more mainstream crowd actually thinks.

I also never said that critcising the game or being negative about the game is wrong and shouldnt be done, im just saying that this forum is much more negative than what im seeing on social media. You seem to be really aggressive for no reason

 

[OntzettendeJan]

Slightly underwhelming for me,but it is what it is.Some more info about single player races,qualifying and standing starts would have been good.
We will have to see on release day but looks like GTsport 2 to me.Just my 2 pence worth. 👍

My thoughts exactly. Let's hope the dynamic weather is a worthy addition.
I was hoping for new tracks but Interlagos is a good start.

 

[Greatbee]

Good lord the moaning on this thread about what the game is or isn't, is truly epic. Have any of you played it? Have you experienced the new weather and physics model? If you already don't like it, or you're not impressed by it, then don't buy it. Stick with GT sport. Or move over to Assetto Corsa. Kaz has more passion for racing and the franchise in his little finger, than you have in your whole body. For those who are excited for this next step in the franchise, see you on track! Its going to be epic!

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

 

[Scaff]

Good lord, that is not what i mean at all. I use the word Echo chamber like how one would say twitter and reddit is a left-leaning echo chamber. Its just that the majority opinion here differs from what the more mainstream crowd actually thinks.

Then you're using the term incorrectly.

Echo Chamber - In discussions of news media, an echo chamber refers to situations in which beliefs are amplified or reinforced by communication and repetition inside a closed system and insulated from rebuttal.[1] By participating in an echo chamber, people are able to seek out information that reinforces their existing views without encountering opposing views, potentially resulting in an unintended exercise in confirmation bias.

I also never said that critcising the game or being negative about the game is wrong and shouldnt be done, im just saying that this forum is much more negative than what im seeing on social media.

I would argue that the forum offers a more informed and diverse view than the mainstream, which ensures it's not an echo chamber.

You seem to be really aggressive for no reason

No, however, I will freely admit that I have little time for those would criticise others simply for holding a different, but equally valid, view than they do

 

[PzR Slim]

Have you ever understeered? In a car? In the wet? Cause I’m afraid you’re wrong. Tyres chatter and vibrate in severe understeer. Do you think the sidewall stays perfectly stiff against the lateral treatment as it’s pushed across the surface.

I spent a great 10 min journey home on Sunday night controlling how much my car was understeering on a wet road with throttle inputs. Not once did I experience tyre chatter. I experienced a smooth, lightening of the steering wheel as my car didn't steer as much as it had been before the understeer began. Chatter can occur but this is normally on a very dry, rough road when you push the tyres well beyond what they are capable of.

Next time it's wet, spend some time driving round a roundabout and gently invoke understeer with careful throttle inputs. You will then maybe revisit what you have written above.

 

[05XR8]

Good lord, that is not what i mean at all. I use the word Echo chamber like how one would say twitter and reddit is a left-leaning echo chamber. Its just that the majority opinion here differs from what the more mainstream crowd actually thinks.

I also never said that critcising the game or being negative about the game is wrong and shouldnt be done, im just saying that this forum is much more negative than what im seeing on social media. You seem to be really aggressive for no reason

If you haven’t noticed, there are long time fans that haven’t bought a couple of the past games. They are debating whether anything have been Changed for GT7. AI being probably the core feature.
You think it’s neagative, but there are some who want to know they are going to invest their time in this latest game… joyously. So far, some players have not seen over the past year, anything new to grasp them to return to the franchise. It’s validated opinion. There’s more to it than just “if you don’t like the game, go play something else”.

 

[Bosozoku]

there was "lottery ticket" shown

it will have a loot box mechanism?

 

[soc123_au]

The game looks fantastic as most of us would have expected. I would have liked info on things like AI and the same things mentioned by others, but I'm still very excited about getting into it in March 4. I might be puffing hard on the hopium, but there were a lot of little teasers that werent directly discussed or given any attention unless you looked for them. Engine swaps, multiclass etc. I'm hoping the AI is still adequately addressed and that Sony and PD just decided that the 30 minutes was better spent trying to get new fans on board.

Lets face it, the majority of us that would be "hard core" fans are that rusted on we are buying it regardless. The percentage that are long time GT players that dont buy it would be minimal no matter how loud the outrage is. Spending the 30 minutes to make those already buying happy isn't good business sense just to stop a few tears.

I'm not sure on the "career" mode, but I'm happy to give it a run. Adding new menus as update dlc sounds like it would be very simple to do as new tracks etc are added.

 

[kjeldsen]

PD announces a gigantic game with thousands of hours of content. Players proceeds to rip apart every last detail, finds their personal
pet peeve and compares it to a game that they find does that exact detail better and announces their DISAPPOINTMENT with GT7

GT Sport was the best online racing game on any console, the offline content was thin and didn't in any way compared to the excitement online racing could offer. But it still offered Scapes that players spend hours playing around with, and a livery editor that ended up being a goldmine in super impressive liveries.

GT7 takes everything to a whole new level, the graphics are once again best in class, the replays looks insane!
Dynamic lightning coupled with actual weather systems and a track behaviour that mirrors the real world, lets ignore that and ask for a REAL DAMAGE MODEL. In reality nobody cares about a real damage model in a racing game. People just quit if they get damage, who wants to race for 15 laps when there is no way to keep up?

This game is huge and will provide countless hours of enjoyment (and frustration)

Someone tell me that the watersplash here will be in the game..

 

[Monkey Man]

Someone tell me that the watersplash here will be in the game..

One can only hope 'cause it looks impressive!

 

[Kurichan]

...doesn't mean I and others can't talk about what we did and didn't like from the event.

Wow. I never said you or others can or cannot talk about what you like / dislike. You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else.

I mentioned that this game / the presentation speaks to me as I can identify with that - as a disclaimer that I am biased and I might perceive the feedback in this forum as more negative as it is.

That was not about you, my friend. Apparently the 25 years in the industry or any moment in the company of any car or your role as moderator did not help you in getting that. Congratulations.

 

[ShiftingGears]

PD announces a gigantic game with thousands of hours of content. Players proceeds to rip apart every last detail, finds their personal
pet peeve and compares it to a game that they find does that exact detail better and announces their DISAPPOINTMENT with GT7

For all we know you could 100% speed run this game in 5 days, given that literally all they said about career mode was that it was similar to previous games.

 

[05XR8]

For all we know you could 100% speed run this game in 5 days, given that literally all they said about career mode was that it was similar to previous games.

Yup. That’s why I envision me heading straight to Custom Race, as fast I can. I still want to play the way I want, hopefully, with the tools PD provide. Car customisation is a hit so far. Track conditions look promising. I’m not sold on the PD events.

 

[lancashire lad]

Good lord the moaning on this thread about what the game is or isn't, is truly epic. Have any of you played it? Have you experienced the new weather and physics model? If you already don't like it, or you're not impressed by it, then don't buy it. Stick with GT sport. Or move over to Assetto Corsa. Kaz has more passion for racing and the franchise in his little finger, than you have in your whole body. For those who are excited for this next step in the franchise, see you on track! Its going to be epic!

How do you know it's going to be epic if you haven't played it?