Gran Turismo 7 takes center stage in an all-new State of Play, arriving Wednesday at 2pm Pacific:

[///M3]

He literally said its about the love of cars, the history.....

Which bit didnt you watch

 

[Dave A]

The way I see it, if someone wants to buy a Gran turismo title and on a personal level make the racing a secondary feature to how they enjoy the game that's entirely their prerogative and fair play to them. But to suggest it's not about racing is just lying.

The premise of the game is literally, buying cars, racing them, earning credits, buying faster cars, racing faster cars, earning more credits, rinse and repeat. It's a racing game, and Kazunori has never said otherwise.

Sure, the games have a wider appeal to car lovers, but they are very much still racing games and regardless of those other features, they are not an excuse to not make the racing as good as you can make it.

There's no reason people have to disasagree with that regardless of whether they buy a GT title primarily to race, create decals or take photo's.

 

[///M3]

The way I see it, if someone wants to buy a Gran turismo title and on a personal level make the racing a secondary feature to how they enjoy the game that's entirely their prerogative and fair play to them. But to suggest it's not about racing is just lying.

The premise of the game is literally, buying cars, racing them, earning credits, buying faster cars, racing faster cars, earning more credits, rinse and repeat. It's a racing game, and Kazunori has never said otherwise.

Sure, the games have a wider appeal to car lovers, but they are very much still racing games and regardless of those other features, they are not an excuse to not make the racing as good as you can make it.

There's no reason people have to disasagree with that regardless of whether they but a GT title to race, create decals or take photo's.

That is not the premise of the game?

If that was the case it would be F1.

How can the premise of a game be a used car market with rare exotica, rare mediocre and licences and challenges. Literally other than credits to buy more cars be about racing?? sure winning......but ?

Racing is a by product of the choices you make.

 

[Bosozoku]

Arguments based on speculation can simply be solved by not pre-ordering and just waiting for it to come out. All your questions will be answered on release, and you don't have any financial commitment if it's bad.

 

[Dave A]

That is not the premise of the game?

If that was the case it would be F1.

How can the premise of a game be a used car market with rare exotica, rare mediocre and licences and challenges. Literally other than credits to buy more cars be about racing?? sure winning......but ?

I have no idea what point you're trying to make there? Racing does not = F1.

Arguments based on speculation can simply be solved by not pre-ordering and just waiting for it to come out. All your questions will be answered on release, and you don't have any financial commitment if it's bad.

Indeed, and that's my plan. Although that doesn't preclude discussion based on speculation as long as the discussion takes that into account.

 

[Eks]

Anyone else think the original version of the World Map shown in the announcement trailer (here) was much better than what we have currently? Not that the new version looks bad. It's got its own charm, and I like that it appears to have its own day/night cycle, I just personally preferred the "Dark Mode GT4," cursor-following map from before.

 

[///M3]

Anyone else think the original version of the World Map shown in the announcement trailer (here) was much better than what we have currently? Not that the new version looks bad. It's got its own charm, and I like that it appears to have its own day/night cycle, I just personally preferred the "Dark Mode GT4," cursor-following map from before.

I like the new one, fractionally but the water planes look massive compared to the boats!

 

[Nielsen]

Really, again? Find me one single quote from Kaz or anyone at PD over the last 25 years openly staying that Gran Turismo is not about racing and that it wasn't the point of the game.

If it was all about the cars, why does every game lock them behind racing? See that new 1929 Mercedes in GT7, a magnificent car, amazing to look at with all its detailing on show and surely unique to drive.

If you want to just experience that car, drive it, photograph it, PD would like you to go racing and earn 20 million credits, which going by past games is going to take many hours.

“The Real Driving Simulator”?

The presentation does mimic racing, but the campaign race events are nothing more than driving challenges. Only the e-sports dimension of GT Sport has been serious about racing.

 

[///M3]

I have no idea what point you're trying to make there? Racing does not = F1.


Indeed, and that's my plan. Although that doesn't preclude discussion based on speculation as long as the discussion takes that into account.

You said it was a racing game, I just pointed out that racing is something you can do. There is more to it than racing because most of it is devoted to the cars, racing is a byproduct of having those cars.

What is the point of having a Golf GTi MK1 when racing prototypes?

or even era type cars?

The focus with the Cafe, Missions, Licences and a small online play button is on cars.....

 

[ThePotatoKing]

“The Real Driving Simulator”?

The presentation does mimic racing, but the campaign race events are nothing more than driving challenges. Only the e-sports dimension of GT Sport has been serious about racing.

Honestly, i wouldn't give it that much credit on that either, with the mess that was Gr.1 and some uh, "oddballs" in Gr.3 "cough" F1 "cough".

 

[Dave A]

Let me remind people of what the back of the box of the original Gran Turismo looked like:

I'm wondering if people claiming it's not a racing game are just trolling at this point. I guess F1 2021 isn't a racing game because racing is just something you can do in it.

 

[s0cks]

I'm new to GT. Only got GTS like 45 days ago lol, but the AI is shocking!

@///M3 you say to give AI room, but it's difficult. The AI seem to just randomly brake or swerve that it makes them massively unpredictable. That's not really fun, or racing. It's basically an obstacle avoidance simulator - or you just say screw it and bash them all out the way.

I have no idea what old GT games were like (I only jammed them in passing) but it sounds like it was much of the same. If the AI is just as bad in GT7 it will be very disappointing. Personally I'm getting it for online, and if I have to grind some single player to get cars, so be it, annoying but so be it. I would love the AI to be good though and make offline racing actually enjoyable.

 

[Peter.]

Gran Turismo was not necessarily meant to be the end destination for your enthusiasm around cars and racing; for many, it was the beginning. The GT experience has persisted and remained mostly intact because it excelled at exactly that. It's natural that fatigue and frustration with that experience not changing seeps in with age, and as your passion for racing has grown.

The single player experience is heavily compromised for a long time fan turned above average racer if the format has not changed much and the AI are still mediocre, and you're well within your right to want more from it. I even agree that the AI are too useless to be fun and that the game, despite being as customizable and beautiful as its ever been, will still live and die by how good the AI are for me personally.

However, it's important to understand as a fan of anything, that what is for you may not be it for others. Somewhere, a new fan, maybe the age we were the first time we played GT, picks the game up and will have the time of their life with that experience, like we once did, even with such average AI.

Frankly, given what I have seen, we have managed as fans over the years to complain ourselves into the most complete 'GT experience' ever (read it again). Hopefully we can complain ourselves into some good AI now, too, but for what it is it already has the capacity to satisfy millions.

 

[NotThePrez]

Anyone else think the original version of the World Map shown in the announcement trailer (here) was much better than what we have currently? Not that the new version looks bad. It's got its own charm, and I like that it appears to have its own day/night cycle, I just personally preferred the "Dark Mode GT4," cursor-following map from before.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. The final World Map isn't bad by any means, but I much preferred the more simplistic look of the "beta" map. I agree that it looked like a "Dark Mode GT4" map, which I thought was an excellent Quality of Life decision.

“The Real Driving Simulator”?

That's a pretty big reach imo. That's been the series' tagline since its inception...



...and as you can see, just based on the intro movie, racing was very much a focus of the first game(s). It was literally impossible to collect cars without racing as well (unless you only did the license tests, and were satisfied with only having 3-4 cars in your garage).

 

[SZRT Ice]

Idk if this was mentioned or not, but has anyone else noticed the exhaust customizations on that Boss 302?

 

[Nielsen]

Let me remind people of what the back of the box of the original Gran Turismo looked like:

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I'm wondering if people claiming it's not a racing game are just trolling at this point. I guess F1 2021 isn't a racing game because racing is just something you can do in it.

Trolling? I think people are saying it because the racing dimension is totally absent from the gameplay.

 

[GingerBredMan]

Are we really arguing whether or not a game containing racing and racing cars is a racing game??

 

[TwIsTeD_83]

Kaz has earned the right to be as eccentric as he wants with his design choices.
GT is what is and it will not turn to a game where you play football with cars.
Yes I'm a rabid fanboy.
They did what you asked for and gave you tons of SP content, if it's not good enough well then man up and join the online lobbies because that's where the real fun is.

 

[PorscheHD]

Althought I AM a bit dissepointed i bought a PS5 today because of the Porsche 964 RS in Ruby Red...... First car i buy!!!

 

[Dave A]

Trolling? I think people are saying it because the racing dimension is totally absent from the gameplay.

The racing is poor, that doesn't preclude it from being racing or a racing game, nor does it excuse the game from having poor AI and single file rolling starts.

It is by definition a racing game, short of being hyperbole, claiming otherwise is simply false.

 

[Islaygaz]

Are we really arguing whether or not a game containing racing and racing cars is a racing game??

What do you expect of this community? 😂

 

[Samus]

Trolling? I think people are saying it because the racing dimension is totally absent from the gameplay.

Well that is entirely the point we're making. It's a racing game where the racing is very poor (offline) and we want it to be better. How we've ended up with people arguing that Gran Turismo isn't actually a racing game I don't know.

 

[Nielsen]

The racing is poor, that doesn't preclude it from being racing or a racing game, nor does it excuse the game from having poor AI and single file rolling starts.

It is by definition a racing game, short of being hyperbole, claiming otherwise is simply false.

I agree that there are no excuses for bad AI, but I think PD would address these problems if they were serious about making a racing game. For years this aspect has gotten almost zero attention from them. So even though GT falls under the racing genre, it does in fact feel like a driving game in a racing setting. I’m not saying all this to defend the creative direction, but rather to convey my personal understanding of PD’s vision.

 

[ImaRobot]

I agree that there are no excuses for bad AI, but I think PD would address these problems if they were serious about making a racing game. For years this aspect has gotten almost zero attention from them. So even though GT falls under the racing genre, it does in fact feel like a driving game in a racing setting. I’m not saying all this to defend the creative direction, but rather to convey my personal understanding of PD’s vision.

They are serious about making racing games or else they wouldn't be making racing games for the past couple decades. That they haven't improved in areas, intentionally or otherwise, will never take away from that.

NFS recently have been piss poor overall. That they've been relatively terrible for the most part doesn't really take away from that either. Juiced was clunky as heck, and more or less didn't feel good at all, but it was still a racing game.

 

[///M3]

Genuinely not trolling, I don't play GT online.

I also said in my other post that 20 years have gone by and that I hope people love cars (and motorbikes) as much as I do now.

The game isn't about racing, just sup up the honda jaz, win races, buy the Skyline or the Integra, tune it whip everything until you need race car money.

If it was about racing it would be me sitting in the pit lane on a sunday morning with -4 degrees doing a pro kart endurance race. Or on my motorbike doing the same.....

So racing is pretty mute, its a game where you make your own races. Be a hero and drive off 20 seconds down the road or get in the action. Either way you get to make that choice.

What I saw was a very welcome return to making people want to buy racing games again. It doesn't matter if you are good or not, you also get to see some cars and use them that even I haven't.

Why have a garage for 500 cars in GT1 when you only need 9 to complete it? Racing....thats it.

 

[Silvio]

Nothing about steering wheels support ??? I guess it would feel same like GT sport, and for extended GTS version i don"t wanna pay such high price..... Maybe after some positive reviews i"ll decide to buy this game.

 

[ImaRobot]

The game isn't about racing, just sup up the honda jaz, win races, buy the Skyline or the Integra, tune it whip everything until you need race car money

The game's not about racing, it's about winning races!

 

[Silver Arrows]

Yep, I'm done for the time being. This is just going around in circles.

 

[Samus]

Genuinely not trolling, I don't play GT online.

I also said in my other post that 20 years have gone by and that I hope people love cars (and motorbikes) as much as I do now.

The game isn't about racing, just sup up the honda jaz, win races, buy the Skyline or the Integra, tune it whip everything until you need race car money.

If it was about racing it would be me sitting in the pit lane on a sunday morning with -4 degrees doing a pro kart endurance race. Or on my motorbike doing the same.....

So racing is pretty mute, its a game where you make your own races. Be a hero and drive off 20 seconds down the road or get in the action. Either way you get to make that choice.

It doesn't matter if you are good or not, you also get to see some cars and use them that even I haven't.

Why have a garage for 500 cars in GT1 when you only need 9 to complete it? Racing....thats it.

The point is the game revolves around racing. The outcome of that racing is you build up a car collection. But you HAVE to race. It's not optional. Fire up any Gran Turismo game, see how big a car collection you build up without entering any of the racing events. You can't, other than the prize cars from license tests.

Racing can be as realistic or as casual as you want. Ridge Racer is a racing game but it's certainly not about the scenario you describe, neither is Mario Kart. Still a racing game.

If they wanted to make a game all about the driving of the cars then there wouldn't be race tracks, only open roads, there wouldn't be any race events, and they would just give you access to all the cars at the start. They don't.

Nobody is denying that they want people to collect cars and enjoy cars, that much is obvious. The point is it's set up as a racing game to allow you to do that. It's a racing game where you can collect cars.

Also

What I saw was a very welcome return to making people want to buy racing games again.

What? You've literally just been arguing it's not a racing game, now you're saying it's a reason to buy racing games?

 

[Kalder]

Nice 4K liveries they got there on the RedBulls...

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