Gran Turismo 7 takes center stage in an all-new State of Play, arriving Wednesday at 2pm Pacific:

[GTalaune]

Is it racing when I'm doing time attack on my local track ? Or doing an HPDE type of event ? I guess you can call it that but it's not exactly the same. And no I'm not new player to the franchise but I can argue that in GT Sport the goal to win is very poorly represented. You win around 30-50 000 Credits when you win a daily race and if you are average (I'm way over the bottom half considering my driver rating and times) and still win ones every blue moon. I wouldn't call that racing. At least not on the same level as in ACC, PCars 2 or iRacing. Will I buy GT7 yes do I expected to change so I can win more races or AI to improve hell no. I literally want the original GT experience same as 1997 please.

If the GT games can't evolve, they will die soon

 

[O604]

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[Scaff]

You are arguing that without winning races you can't build a collection

No, I didn't.

I argued that the core focus of the game is racing, a point that the developer of the series agrees with me on.

but GTS literally give you cars for driving 40 km's a day. I only won 15 races (6 of them in the past 1 week) in GT sport but have hefty car collections so no it's not a racing game at least not a racing game where you are awarded for actually winning races Online which GT Sport was supposed to be all about. Imagine what will be the case with GT7 again building collection with only Driving whenever you finish in that grid at the end. So I can argue is far from racing game since race results don't really matter except for the very few aliens in this game who do something like FIA world championship and so on. Sure driving on tracks can be considered racing but if you are not winning is not exactly racing as I see it GTS gives you participation trophy every day you did 40 km's of driving (not racing) as you can finish that off in time trial without even driving fast.

Let me know how many Cr20,000,000 cars you've won like that (as the site actually worked out the odds and it's in the millions), it's also an utterly moot point, as the discussion isn't about GTS, it's about GT7.

Gran Turismo is a racing game series, it's been one since the first title arrived 25 years ago.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

I'm still thrilled to have a real single player GT but I fear that the game is just a single player mode added to what GTS was. I was expecting a bit more. Yes the tuning is nice but there's barely any new tracks, not much cars and lots of things from the hud to the "daily" races seems to be the same as GTS with just a small design revamp. Kinda disapointing, especially since they took time to add that music mode which yeah might be fun but honestly in gts, I usually turn the music off while I race.

We had barely any infos on mp, not knowing if the shuffle which had a lot of fun in GT5 is back, no words about b-spec either and credit seems as hard to earn as in GTS with more 20millions cars coming and no Lewis Hamilton challenge or track maker either. Also mission seems fairly easy to gold, which is a concern again for me, part of the fun was trying to get gold, not like in gts where you come, you do one-two tries and you're done.

 

[Magog]

You are arguing that without winning races you can't build a collection but GTS literally give you cars for driving 40 km's a day. I only won 15 races (6 of them in the past 1 week) in GT sport but have hefty car collections so no it's not a racing game at least not a racing game where you are awarded for actually winning races Online which GT Sport was supposed to be all about. Imagine what will be the case with GT7 again building collection with only Driving whenever you finish in that grid at the end. So I can argue is far from racing game since race results don't really matter except for the very few aliens in this game who do something like FIA world championship and so on. Sure driving on tracks can be considered racing but if you are not winning is not exactly racing as I see it GTS gives you participation trophy every day you did 40 km's of driving (not racing) as you can finish that off in time trial without even driving fast.

You do get a reward for winning races online: The pride and satisfaction of a job well done. ☺️

 

[O604]

The racing game debate is really irritating me.

The beauty of GT is the accessibilty for anyone to play. Deliberately opposite of real world racing and the elitism.

GT is a racing game, if you play it that way. Many (millions) don't.

I have friend who only collected the Ferraris in GTS. Some friends and I chipped in to buy him a PS4. He bought GTS, PS+ on his own. Tried some things. Played online with me once. Decided he only had time to collect Ferraris, for 4 years.

Just consider others may approach the game different than you. That's all I'm saying.

 

[RedRockValley]

The racing game debate is really irritating me.

The beauty of GT is the accessibilty for anyone to play. Deliberately opposite of real world racing and the elitism.

GT is a racing game, if you play it that way. Many (millions) don't.

I have friend who only collected the Ferraris in GTS. Some friends and I chipped in to buy him a PS4. He bought GTS, PS+ on his own. Tried some things. Played online with me once. Decided he only had time to collect Ferraris, four 4 years.

Just consider others may approach the game different than you. That's all I'm saying.

It's completely fine if you want to play GT your own way, and I agree that it is the beauty of the series.
However, I do see the other side's argument here that if PD is going to include a career mode with championships and such, they should improve important elements of it such as AI.
I love collecting cars in GT, but I also like to put them to the test, which is why I hope AI in GT7 has improved to some degree.

 

[Samus]

The racing game debate is really irritating me.

The beauty of GT is the accessibilty for anyone to play. Deliberately opposite of real world racing and the elitism.

GT is a racing game, if you play it that way. Many (millions) don't.

I have friend who only collected the Ferraris in GTS. Some friends and I chipped in to buy him a PS4. He bought GTS, PS+ on his own. Tried some things. Played online with me once. Decided he only had time to collect Ferraris, four 4 years.

Just consider others may approach the game different than you. That's all I'm saying.

Nobody has ever said GT is only a racing game. The debate rages on because when people who DO want to do the racing part of the game comment that to do so they want much better AI, then other people keep chiming in with ludicrous reasoning why PD shouldn't, or are unlikely to improve the AI, and try to claim racing is not an integral part of the game when it clearly is.

As for your friend, how exactly did he collect Ferrari's without earning credits from racing? You need around 65 million credits for all of them.

 

[Silver Arrows]

oh my god we will never escape this stupid debate

GT game is a racing game, full stop. It is a racing game by way of the genre it is in. Even if it wasn't, it is a racing game by way of what is needed to be done to progress. IE, RACING. This debate is simple. And more importantly, it's over.

You know what? Euro/American Truck Simulator are now racing games.

I know you are joking, but I think E/ATS and Snowrunner are one of the few games that could legitimately be labeled as driving games over racing games mainly considering the crux of the game is based around driving and completing tasks, and racing is nowhere to be found. In those games, this debate actually holds merit. Not GT.

 

[Hellburner]

oh my god we will never escape this stupid debate

GT game is a racing game, full stop. It is a racing game by way of the genre it is in. Even if it wasn't, it is a racing game by way of what is needed to be done to progress. IE, RACING. This debate is simple. And more importantly, it's over.


I know you are joking, but I think E/ATS and Snowrunner are one of the few games that could legitimately be labeled as driving games over racing games mainly considering the crux of the game is based around driving and completing tasks, and racing is nowhere to be found. In those games, this debate actually holds merit. Not GT.

I never enjoyed other racing games than Gran Turismo. It is the collecting part that kept me interested in doing races, not the races itself.

 

[Veinz]

This like saying Cod is not a first person shooter, it is an action/strategy game.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I never enjoyed other racing games than Gran Turismo. It is the collecting part that kept me interested in doing races, not the races itself.

Good for you. Your experience is not universal, nor does it change the fact that the ultimate crux of the game is the racing. That to actually get to the good ancillary content, you need cars. Cars earned from buying them with credits. Credits that you earn...from racing.

All of this is to say that the racing/driving game 'debate' only came to be from dishonest actors who pull out that excuse when people continue to poke and prod at the AI issue. Rightfully, I may add. All it is is mental gymnastics to try and defend PD's efforts. That needs to stop, and PD needs to better themselves in the AI department, and until I get my hands on the game, then all the PR statements mean very little.

 

[O604]

There is no debate really. Basically everyone is saying the same thing GT is not just a racing game. There's a lot of cherry picking in the comments to keep it going. Should have ended pages ago.

As for your friend, how exactly did he collect Ferrari's without earning credits from racing? You need around 50 million credits for all of them.

He hasn't yet. And basically rubber banding. Or the whole max/power/boost way...He would of B Spec them if he could.

He's actually pretty good. Just refuses to use mirros. In real ife too. So I thought GT would teach him something.

 

[05XR8]

This like saying Cod is not a first person shooter, it is an action/strategy game.

Like Connect Four.

 

[Dave A]

Current title of the game is The Real Driving Simulator ! It literally say Driving not racing !

Yes, and are racing drivers not driving at the time they are racing? And what does a tag line have to do with the fact Gran Turismo is a racing game.

Is it a racing game

Yes, it's a racing game.

Music Rally and tuning is more driving than racing.

No one has said there aren't things to do other than racing, but Gran turismo is a racing game.

This like saying Cod is not a first person shooter, it is an action/strategy game.

Indeed, the point that it isn't a racing game because it features other things is so short sighted. Start applying it to other things and it doesn't take long for that logic to unravel very quickly.

 

[bnight]

No, I didn't.

I argued that the core focus of the game is racing, a point that the developer of the series agrees with me on.


Let me know how many Cr20,000,000 cars you've won like that (as the site actually worked out the odds and it's in the millions), it's also an utterly moot point, as the discussion isn't about GTS, it's about GT7.

Gran Turismo is a racing game series, it's been one since the first title arrived 25 years ago.

I don't own any Cr. 20,000,000 cars but I do have 338 cars and 5 million Cr. And if I need a car I can do Bluemoon where you make like Cr. 700,000 for going in a circle. So it shouldn't be that hard to buy a 20,000,000 car.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I don't own any Cr. 20,000,000 cars but I do have 338 cars and 5 million Cr. And if I need a car I can do Bluemoon where you make like Cr. 700,000 for going in a circle. So it shouldn't be that hard to buy a 20,000,000 car.

I'd rather not grind Blue Moon Bay and get carpal tunnel syndrome, thank you.

Also, you're still racing in this scenario. Congrats, you played yourself and proved that GT is still a racing game no matter which way you slice the onion.

 

[Famine]

And if I need a car I can do Bluemoon where you make like Cr. 700,000 for going in a circle.

It's a little over half that and takes a minimum of 11'40, although more once you factor in loading times.

20,000,000cr therefore will take you around 11 hours if you repeatedly drive in a circle without any breaks and chaining them as efficiently as you can.

Enjoy!

 

[bnight]

Yes, and are racing drivers not driving at the time they are racing? And what does a tag line have to do with the fact Gran Turismo is a racing game.


Yes, it's a racing game.

No one has said there aren't things to do other than racing, but Gran turismo is a racing game.


Indeed, the point that it isn't a racing game because it features other things is so short sighted. Start applying it to other things and it doesn't take long for that logic to unravel very quickly.

My point is that in 21st century to complain about AI is very strange. To be fair I enjoyed chasing the rabbit when GTS career got released for like a whole day as was a lot like back when I was a kid and I did chased it with the DualShock and not wheel as it's much more fun to use arrows around them. It was like you are back in GT. Overall great experience if you can appreciate it. But considering GTS and probably GT7 have so much fun and good Online experience to want to race with the AI is kind of a strange way to name that racing. It's like playing Quake 3 with bots sure it's ok but it's much more fun to play with friends. And I know a lot of people here spending a lot of time in Scapes and Liveries editor and I doubt they actually race.

 

[Scaff]

I don't own any Cr. 20,000,000 cars but I do have 338 cars and 5 million Cr. And if I need a car I can do Bluemoon where you make like Cr. 700,000 for going in a circle. So it shouldn't be that hard to buy a 20,000,000 car.

So you would race to get the money for the car, in what you argued is a title that's not about racing, because you don't need to race to get cars you need.

Have a go at spotting the problem with your argument.

 

[bnight]

I'd rather not grind Blue Moon Bay and get carpal tunnel syndrome, thank you.

Also, you're still racing in this scenario. Congrats, you played yourself and proved that GT is still a racing game no matter which way you slice the onion.

If you call Blue Moon racing which for anyone past D driver rating it is not then sure we can call that game racing. But in reallity is just going in a circle for whatever time that event is. P.S. You can get 2 mill doing Hamilton time trial event so I do that when I need cash. Or I guess going gold in Time Trial is also racing ? What about Circle Experience I think there were some credits there as well.

So you would race to get the money for the car, in what you argued is a title that's not about racing, because you don't need to race to get cars you need.

Have a go at spotting the problem with your argument.

You can do Time trials with Hamilton and got 2 mill for doing a gold is this also racing ?

 

[Nielsen]

I don't own any Cr. 20,000,000 cars but I do have 338 cars and 5 million Cr. And if I need a car I can do Bluemoon where you make like Cr. 700,000 for going in a circle. So it shouldn't be that hard to buy a 20,000,000 car.

Or you could do the swift 7 laps Gr. 1 event at Monza. Pays nicely with a clean race bonus. Blue Moon Bay is torture in comparison.

 

[Silver Arrows]

My point is that in 21st century to complain about AI is very strange.

Why? I'd rather not be railroaded into playing online because Polyphony are too ignorant to listen to the cacophonus chorus of peeople complaining about the bad AI, especially in a title where 95% of the promotional material is focused on an actual single player. Which should tell you what needs to be done, no?

You can do Time trials with Hamilton and got 2 mill for doing a gold is this also racing ?

lmao yes, next question

 

[bnight]

Why? I'd rather not be railroaded into playing online because Polyphony are too ignorant to listen to the cacophonus chorus of peeople complaining about the bad AI, especially in a title where 95% of the promotional material is focused on an actual single player. Which should tell you what needs to be done, no?



lmao yes, next question

Because who wants to play with the AI is beyond me. The same persons that call Blue Moon grinding a race I guess.

 

[Scaff]

If you call Blue Moon racing which for anyone past D driver rating it is not then sure we can call that game racing.

Yes, it's literally racing.

But in reallity is just going in a circle for whatever time that event is. P.S. You can get 2 mill doing Hamilton time trial event so I do that when I need cash.

Hate to break it to you but competitive time trials, yep also racing. Multiple forms of motorsport (you know as in racing) exist around it.

Or I guess going gold in Time Trial is also racing ?

As above

What about Circle Experience I think there were some credits there as well.

Not enough for those20 million cars again.

 

[Famine]

You can get 2 mill doing Hamilton time trial event so I do that when I need cash.

You only get each reward once, and there's only ten of them, so it's not a reliable, repeatable way of earning "when I need cash".

Of course you get 20m for getting gold on them all 100m for getting diamond on them all, but it's odd you haven't noticed that...

 

[Silver Arrows]

Because who wants to play with the AI is beyond me. The same persons that call Blue Moon grinding a race I guess.

then why the hell did Polyphony focus the entire ****ing State of Play on a component of the game that is predicated on racing with AI, a component which has been laughably bad in recent history?

How can someone be this goddamn dense to not realize the arguments they are countering with are proving the actual argument completely, 100% right?

 

[bnight]

You only get each reward once, and there's only ten of them, so it's not a reliable, repeatable way of earning "when I need cash".

Of course you get 20m for getting gold on them all 100m for getting diamond on them all, but it's odd you haven't noticed that...

I don't think I even did them all to be fair literally you only need the Megan and the Supra's to be competitive in GTS Daily races everything else is provided anyway. And if you don't have the Supra's you can always sign up for Toyota in Manufacture series for the game to give them to you. So collecting cars is very far from the point of GTS and somehow I have 338 that I don't even know what to do with some cars like the GT3. Corvette I have like 10 times ... one is more than enough. With that in mind my point is that Having 80 million in cars that I don't even know were in the game Ford Daytona Prototype anyone in GTS is not even needed from online playing. But also I was grinding untill a stupid issue with the server destroyed a lot of my progress and corrupted my save data so needed to go back had a lot more expensive cars like F50 for example before that.

then why the hell did Polyphony focus the entire ****ing State of Play on a component of the game that is predicated on racing with AI, a component which has been laughably bad in recent history?

How can someone be this goddamn dense to not realize the arguments they are countering with are proving the actual argument completely, 100% right?

For me the fun part in the offline mode will be to cycle through the Used Cars Dealership and find rare colours. I'm sure online mode will also provide credits it would be stupid not to. Which mean that the single player will be limited to buying cars and visiting GT Cafe. Or at least that's how I think it will be (maybe do some licenses) Hopefully expert difficulty will provide at least some challenge to the offline game modes that you have to pass untill you unlock online credits farming

 

[Archicadet]

Can we move on from this debate debacle as it’s not even a debatable topic and move onto something else? Perhaps we could discuss something positive like Kaz’s favourite food or perhaps whether @Famine plays GT7 in his free time or is that technically work related for him? 😂🤷‍♂️

 

[bnight]

Yes, it's literally racing.


Hate to break it to you but competitive time trials, yep also racing. Multiple forms of motorsport (you know as in racing) exist around it.

As above

Not enough for those20 million cars again.

Gold times in that "competitive" time trials are 3-4 seconds behind the actual competitive times in GTS trust me I know I'm that slow so this is not exactly racing.