Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

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I'd say people should learn how to read if they are so worried about semantic inferences.



It says they removed the categorical distinction.



This one is easy enough. It proposes the existence of objects that do meet the previously agreed definition of "Standard" (that they've removed the category).

But sure, if you feel the brevity of the sentence allows you to "positively interpret" other things, then what ron86 quoted, which is from May 2013 and yes, a GTPlanet interview, https://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-yamauchi-on-gran-turismo-6-standardpremium-cars/ , should have helped you and others construct the full picture.

But I know users here are lazy. They don't even want to know how adjectives and superlatives work.

Laziness is using your hindsight, so this is a great example.

As someone who was here during both that interview and the complete non-clarification of what Standard cars truly were in early 2010, it was not as cut and dry as you like to present it. Plenty of members put a lot of effort into interpreting the 2013 interview in all sorts of ways. It didn't present quite the level of mental gymnastics as 2010 though, when a few members were adamant that the wording from PD indicated not that all cars didn't have interiors, but that the Standards didn't have under-body-panel modelling. Yes, really.

So, admittedly, that was hardly a time of people being "lazy", but it is an example of how willing folks are to insert their desires into vague statements. These Facebook responses are simply the next step in that process.
 
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Exactly. For all we know its just a better scaler chip to 4K and some hardware tech the PSVR uses to enable a reprojection type ability to output 90/120hz.
Hardly what I'd call a "PS4.5"

My money is on a new normal PS4 with the same architecture, but with all the breakout box stuff for VR inside.

That way, it'll be cheaper for consumers to buy into PSVR when it releases. Plus, a neater package under your TV.
 
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My money is on a new normal PS4 with the same architecture, but with all the breakout box stuff for VR inside.

That way, it'll be cheaper for consumers to buy into PSVR when it releases. Plus, a neater package under your TV.
That would cause a larger PS4 to be made though.
 
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My money is on a new normal PS4 with the same architecture, but with all the breakout box stuff for VR inside.

That way, it'll be cheaper for consumers to buy into PSVR when it releases. Plus, a neater package under your TV.
So increase the price of the base PS4 and make everyone pay for hardware that will only be needed by people that want a VR headset? If the adoption rate is massive, like over 50% I can see them considering this at some point in the future, but it's far too early for that.
 
That would cause a larger PS4 to be made though.

Well I guess they're maybe at a point where they can miniaturise a bit anyways...?

I'm not convinced of it, but it sure seems more likely than a two-tier PS4 marketplace.
 
It didn't present quite the level of mental gymnastics as 2010 though, when a few members were adamant that the wording from PD indicated not that all cars didn't have interiors, but that the Standards didn't have under-body-panel modelling. Yes, really.

So, admittedly, that was hardly a time of people being "lazy", but it is an example of how willing folks are to insert their desires into vague statements. These Facebook responses are simply the next step in that process.


https://www.gtplanet.net/night-racing-weather-indy-cars-irl-confirmed-for-gt5/

January 2010.
This seems to be the point of confusion (couldn't find an earlier point but I didn't search the forum). Official Playstation Magazine says 170 cars will have "more detailed interiors that show damage after wrecks (as opposed to exterior damage only)". Not vague at all, but incorrect.

But:

https://www.gtplanet.net/more-gt5-details-confirmed-by-polyphony-digital/
https://www.gtplanet.net/more-confusion-over-standard-car-interiors/

June 2010.

"Keep in mind that Kotaku is the only blog which came away with this impression after the Yamauchi’s private GT5 press meeting at E3 2010. It’s also the exact opposite to what Polyphony Digital has posted on their own Japanese website. With all due respect to Kotaku’s editors, I’m going to side with Polyphony Digital on this one."
- Jordan

Comment section seems pretty aware they were GT4 cars with no interior/cockpit modelling.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gamescom-gran-turismo-5-breakout-session-full-details/

August 2010.

Again, reinforced the idea that Standards were GT4 cars without interiors.

https://www.gtplanet.net/tgs-interviews-yamauchi-talks-standard-cars-damage-gt6-more/

September 2010.

And again, interview with Kazunori and he clearly states Standards are cars from "the past series".

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If someone after all that still thought: "Oh no, 'standard' means they have scale model underbodies", then perhaps lazy is the wrong word, but luckily it rhymes with crazy.

Now, even if there was confusion during a certain period in time, the point still stands for GT5. The separation between Standard and Premium was clear and reiterated. The absurd contention carnival is proven wrong once again.

Which in the end, is completely moronic and tangential to the point that the PDI person saying "they are super premium" is just a simple and really common language way of saying: "They are better than GT5/6 'Premium' models".

Let us read what Vspectra and ron86 said:

ron86
He said ,,wont have the spilt between standard/premium, all will be higher quality due to higher power of ps4''....

... And i interpretated ,,all cars will look better due to more power (for GT6 cars eventuelly the high LOD model will be used) of the ps4

Vspectra
I haven't read through the whole discussion, but it's pretty easy to see "super premium" just means all cars in GTS will be PS4 quality and there won't be standards. So what's the issue?


And there's no "wishful thinking" or "desire insertion" there.

Really, another two pages of :gtpflag::banghead:.
 
https://www.gtplanet.net/night-racing-weather-indy-cars-irl-confirmed-for-gt5/

January 2010.
This seems to be the point of confusion (couldn't find an earlier point but I didn't search the forum). Official Playstation Magazine says 170 cars will have "more detailed interiors that show damage after wrecks (as opposed to exterior damage only)". Not vague at all, but incorrect.

But:

https://www.gtplanet.net/more-gt5-details-confirmed-by-polyphony-digital/
https://www.gtplanet.net/more-confusion-over-standard-car-interiors/

June 2010.

"Keep in mind that Kotaku is the only blog which came away with this impression after the Yamauchi’s private GT5 press meeting at E3 2010. It’s also the exact opposite to what Polyphony Digital has posted on their own Japanese website. With all due respect to Kotaku’s editors, I’m going to side with Polyphony Digital on this one."
- Jordan

Comment section seems pretty aware they were GT4 cars with no interior/cockpit modelling.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gamescom-gran-turismo-5-breakout-session-full-details/

August 2010.

Again, reinforced the idea that Standards were GT4 cars without interiors.

https://www.gtplanet.net/tgs-interviews-yamauchi-talks-standard-cars-damage-gt6-more/

September 2010.

And again, interview with Kazunori and he clearly states Standards are cars from "the past series".

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If someone after all that still thought: "Oh no, 'standard' means they have scale model underbodies", then perhaps lazy is the wrong word, but luckily it rhymes with crazy.

Now, even if there was confusion during a certain period in time, the point still stands for GT5. The separation between Standard and Premium was clear and reiterated. The absurd contention carnival is proven wrong once again.

Which in the end, is completely moronic and tangential to the point that the PDI person saying "they are super premium" is just a simple and really common language way of saying: "They are better than GT5/6 'Premium' models".

Again, hindsight is a magical thing.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...he-interior-view-update-read-1st-page.128532/

You'll have to excuse some of the code errors, since that was two or three GTP remodels ago, but yeah. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt!

Let us read what Vspectra and ron86 said:

And there's no "wishful thinking" or "desire insertion" there.

Really, another two pages of :gtpflag::banghead:.

There's no confirmation of anything, which is my main point. "Super Premium" means nothing at this spot in time. We can guess, we can present whatever sorts of theories we'd like – nothing wrong with that – but until Polyphony clears up whatever that Facebook message means (or, more accurately, we get some hands-on time with the final product), that's all that can be done.
 
Again, hindsight is a magical thing.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...he-interior-view-update-read-1st-page.128532/

You'll have to excuse some of the code errors, since that was two or three GTP remodels ago, but yeah. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt!

:confused: That's a thread about the third link in my post. Misinformation spread by vehicles other than PD and a bad japanese translation, that even GTP was quick to shut down. But that link is funnier because half the posts about standards having some sort of cockpit are from one poster. He is outnumbered by people trying to correct him.

There's no confirmation of anything, which is my main point. "Super Premium" means nothing at this spot in time. We can guess, we can present whatever sorts of theories we'd like – nothing wrong with that – but until Polyphony clears up whatever that Facebook message means (or, more accurately, we get some hands-on time with the final product), that's all that can be done.

There's confirmation that the models in the GTS trailer are better than GT6. At the very least it is evident on its materials. Repeating:

"they are super premium" is just a simple and really common language way of saying: "They are better than GT5/6 'Premium' models".

This isn't even a charitable interpretation.
He is super fast > He is more than fast. He is faster than fast.

No one is speculating they have other features not present in GT5/6 like functional trunks and modeled individual parts generally occluded.
 
Leaving this thread until news comes like....

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One question: Why is every GTS/GT7 thread moved into GTS section even tho we already know GTS isn't GT7
I would have thought it's the obvious place for any GTS thread and seeing as we don't even know if GT7 will ever exist it's probably the best place for them also.
 
I would have thought it's the obvious place for any GTS thread and seeing as we don't even know if GT7 will ever exist it's probably the best place for them also.

Even if GT7 will never exist (but it will since kaz talked about it in an interview) that wouldn't be a valid reason for it to be in GTS section
 
We know next to nothing about about GTS even, why have a separate forum for a game not announced we know even less about? It'll be the same topics, wishlists, speculation and general chatter.

Most of the threads talking about GT7 were from before GTS was announced and GT7 was assumed to be the next game. They're all pretty much relevant to what we now know is the next game.
 
This thread is now full of b:censored:ter and people taking things with a grain of salt rather than real GT Sport news
 
This thread is now full of b:censored:ter and people taking things with a grain of salt rather than real GT Sport news

Obvious statements are obvious, though there has been some good conversation if you sift through it all. But I can see how many wouldn't want to do that.
 
This thread is now full of b:censored:ter and people taking things with a grain of salt rather than real GT Sport news

Well in case you haven't noticed there hasn't been any real GT Sport news since October. So it's either general discussion or absolutely no posts at all.

If you're not interested in that then keep checking the news page here, when there is something you can come back and talk about it.
 
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My money is on a new normal PS4 with the same architecture, but with all the breakout box stuff for VR inside.

That way, it'll be cheaper for consumers to buy into PSVR when it releases. Plus, a neater package under your TV.
I agree. Not to mention at 1.84teraflops, the PS4 runs great at 1080P resolution. Why would they make a 7,36 teraflop PS4 to simply run the SAME games at 4K? You need roughly 4 times more power to run 4K. Thats why I think its a bs rumor making the rounds. Goodluck making a "PS4.5" with 4K anything less than 600-700$
 
Did you know that in Japan, every season is spring? So actually, it could be any season in 2016.

Also, the Japanese don't count past six, they just use the same number for 7, 8 and 9 as well. The calendar goes 2015, 2016, 2016, 2016, 2016, 2020. So actually, it could be any season in the next three years.

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