Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[Samus]

Better phones have better screen res ( IPS at 1080p or more for example ), better CPU ( Octa Core ), more RAM, quicker performance in games, better camera, water/shock resistant features ( extra features ), special charging features, and other unique stuff added on certain models ( like selfie phone ), try compare cheap Chinese/HK android phone in US $ 100-200 range to say, Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge that have VR accessories capability.

None of which directly impact the core features of a phone. That is the point I was getting at. The changes you mentioned would be like PS4 adding better WiFi, bigger hard drive, a nicer case, SSD, that sort of stuff. They improve the machine, but don't affect the core function directly.

 

[dolande]

If GTS requieres a ps4k to run smoothly even at 1080p resolution I'll be hating Sony soo much.

 

[PureAlpha1206]

If GTS requieres a ps4k to run smoothly even at 1080p resolution I'll be hating Sony soo much.

I think GT Sport is releasing alongside PS VR not the PS4K... we may see a jump for GT 7 however.

As for the resolution problem, I think that the PS4 will continue to be able to output 1080p regularly, but won't in any circumstance be able to output 4K. I don't see why they just don't wait for the PS5 to make these changes.

 

[Laffinassasin]

If GTS requieres a ps4k to run smoothly even at 1080p resolution I'll be hating Sony soo much.

Lets be honest here...You could give Kaz a quantum computer and he'd make it chug!

 

[occasionalracer]

So we'll have the poor man's PS4 and the elite one.... this all leaves a very bad taste in my mouth Really want to see how Sony is going to take this because they could have "a certain storm from behind" incoming!

It won't be like that. Sure, psychologically some people will have to overcome that an online oppenent is wearing a VR headset or enjoying the high fidelity of extra pixels and frames. PS4 is a PS4.. basically all anyone playing games needs. How many people are using a PS3 still? Millions... and don't neccessarily care about PS4 (yet).

PS4 WILL be the most used console for years, and they'll have to have a strict performance checklist for developers so regular PS4 ports are very stable and fast. No matter what games will be ~$60 for both consoles.. the developer cares about total units sold, not if they get A+ reviews for PS4K versions.

 

[ImaRobot]

It won't be like that.

I'll be very annoyed if the non-4K version has performance issues and the 4K version doesn't. I'm not going to accept a game that's poorly optimized at lower performance scales but runs nicely at 4K.

This is a problem to be weary of, and likely what @doblocruiser was getting at. It's something to think of, and if it goes down the route then that would be a big problem for this mid-gen change. It'll alienate one side of the userbase.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Anyone think this footage of the FFXV edition Audi R8 looks like it could be from GT Sport?

Funny how a company that never makes racing (excluding Chocobo Racing) gets a latest supercar from Audi before PD could even get it... Really?

P.s. I saw the trailer for FFXV's movie. It's gonna be epic, can't wait!

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Funny how a company that never makes racing (excluding Chocobo Racing) gets a latest supercar from Audi before PD could even get it... Really?

PD has had the R8 LMS for months now, since it featured prominently in the GTS trailer.

Try harder next time.

 

[occasionalracer]

This is a problem to be weary of, and likely what @doblocruiser was getting at. It's something to think of, and if it goes down the route then that would be a big problem for this mid-gen change. It'll alienate one side of the userbase.

Well I guess, I just find impossible Sony won't be making absolutely sure that whoever is doing a 4K games for them, is also forced to do the very best for PS4.. they'll need to have a strict system of passing grades.

The main question over the coming months will likely be if regular PS4 compromises VR games. The market will make it's statement once these two pieces of hardware are being bought and reviewed. Again, I highly doubt Sony would make the simple mistake that either is a 'pointless upgrade/purchase'.

 

[TokoTurismo]

PD has had the R8 LMS for months now, since it featured prominently in the GTS trailer.

Try harder next time.

I know. But that's a racecar is it not? That's why I said latest supercar.

Also it's never been my style to try hard, unless it's something off the internet.

 

[AudiMan2011]

Anyone think this footage of the FFXV edition Audi R8 looks like it could be from GT Sport?

I don't even like Final Fantasy, but that looks sick.

 

[ImaRobot]

Well I guess, I just find impossible Sony won't be making absolutely sure that whoever is doing a 4K games for them, is also forced to do the very best for PS4.. they'll need to meet strict passing grades.

There are a good amount of games that release with optimization issues when focusing on one resolution. I don't think Sony is going to be forcing anything, if games have been released like that in the past.

The main question over the coming months will likely be if regular PS4 compromises VR games. The market will make it's statement once these two pieces of hardware are being bought and reviewed. Again, I highly doubt Sony would make the simple mistake that either is a 'pointless upgrade/purchase'.

Exactly, if things turn out that way than one end of the spectrum is going to be alienated, whether its the 4k users, or the last-current-gen users.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I know. But that's a racecar is it not?

...and?

In GT6, all but the Z4 GT3 has its road-going cousin included. Unless you know PD hasn't already had access to the mk2 R8, there's really no way to state Square had access to the car prior to Polyphony with any amount of certainty.

 

[queleuleu]

Even "insiders" are quiet with PD...
I don't need ultra high definition trees or self reflection for cars. Just a game, not a slice of reality. When I see how Naughty Dog communicates with their fan about delays and development. If you need to delay your game, just tell us live will go on.

 

[occasionalracer]

There are a good amount of games that release with optimization issues when focusing on one resolution. I don't think Sony is going to be forcing anything, if games have been released like that in the past.

This is true, honestly I don't even game much besides racing, sports and some smaller PSN games so I have no personal experience on how bad the optimization is across the board.

Exactly, if things turn out that way than one end of the spectrum is going to be alienated, whether its the 4k users, or the last-current-gen users.

How is a single person alienated if ALL games are purchasable for both systems and playable online between the combined PS4 userbase?

 

[TokoTurismo]

...and?

In GT6, all but the Z4 GT3 has its road-going cousin included. Unless you know PD hasn't already had access to the mk2 R8, there's really no way to state Square had access to the car prior to Polyphony with any amount of certainty.

I'm sure they have. I'm just surprised to see Square Enix show it first with a special edition. Thing looks sexy. 0.0

 

[ImaRobot]

How is a single person alienated if ALL games are purchasable on for both systems and playable online with the combined PS4 userbase?

Going off the first part of your sentence.

The main question over the coming months will likely be if regular PS4 compromises VR games.

It is a possibility that games can be developed for one, whether its the weaker or more powerful, causing the other to fall short in comparison. If this will happen we'll have to wait and see, but I'd rather be spectacle and pleasantly surprised, rather than overly-optimistic and let down.

 

[occasionalracer]

Going off the first part of your sentence.


It is a possibility that games can be developed for one, whether its the weaker or more powerful, causing the other to fall short in comparison. If this will happen we'll have to wait and see, but I'd rather be spectacle and pleasantly surprised, rather than overly-optimistic and let down.

I'm usually optomistic and not usually let down when I've made a conscious decision. I guess I seem overly supportive of what Sony is doing here, but it's not because I'm impatiently waiting to get my hands on a 4K console, rather because it makes a lot of sense and I applaud Sony for going for it. I already know I won't be considering this until the end of 2017 at earliest..

 

[Soundtrack]

How is a single person alienated if ALL games are purchasable for both systems and playable online between the combined PS4 userbase?

If one platform offer a stable 60fps while the other suffers regulars frame drops, I see this becoming a problem for certain games like the ones oriented around E-sport competitions for instance. Specifically if they where announced to be playable "early 2016" and ignited premature purchases. Maybe…

Don't get me wrong, I fully support Sony for updating their console (with a needed revision) to offer UHD HDR 4K delivery now that the standards have been agreed upon. What I can't figure out is why they would potentially jeopardise their lead in the current generation with a potential schism between the players. For sure E3 will be interesting.

 

[ToyGTone]

I repeatedly saying this but...
I like how people are not okay with upgrading Consoles & PC and TV's after couple years but they are totally fine on buying new phones like every year.
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It's good that Sony made a more powerful version of PS4 but i hate the fact they did it now and not back like 2013 instead since there's people who bought the console and now they had to rebuy the same console but more powerful sounds wrong to me.

 

[Samus]

What I can't figure out is why they would potentially jeopardise their lead in the current generation with a potential schism between the players. For sure E3 will be interesting.

That is what is so bizarre. Sony are in a very strong position in the industry right now, there is no sign of any stagnation in hardware sales and software sales were also good. Sure the usual internet minority were talking about performance of games and lack of shiny shiny, but the mass public have been lapping it up.

They could quite easily have sailed along for the next three years, PS4 still dominant in the market, and then come out with the all new PS5 in 2019 or whenever. Instead we have this, which if rumours are true, is surely a huge risk they don't need to take. 4k gaming in whatever form is surely not going to sell that many more 4K TVs than just adding 4k multimedia to a new model would do.

I dunno, despite everything we're reading something is still telling me they aren't going to do it. But then again I was sure GT6 would be a PS4 game, so what do I know.

 

[PzR Slim]

Its like you guys totally ignore the fact that PC gaming has been dealing with a range of specs for years with no issues. You're carrying on as though this is completely new and unheard of. PS4 games will look just as good as they would have if PS4K had never even been dreamt of. PS4K will look a little better. That will literally be it. I've got no idea why everyone is freaking out.

 

[AudiMan2011]

Its like you guys totally ignore the fact that PC gaming has been dealing with a range of specs for years with no issues. You're carrying on as though this is completely new and unheard of. PS4 games will look just as good as they would have if PS4K had never even been dreamt of. PS4K will look a little better. That will literally be it. I've got no idea why everyone is freaking out.

That's because PC gaming has been always an open platform for years. The only changes that have happened with consoles midway through a cycle was a release of a more energy efficient version or a slim variant. Consoles have been fixed platforms since their inception. Just because the PS4/XB1 specs are equivalent to a low/mid range PC from 5 years ago doesn't mean they should start treating them like PCs and introducing a multi-tier business model.

I know change needs to happen in the console industry but this isn't what some of us want and upgradable consoles could very well kill the industry stone dead if this is allowed to happen. The biggest problem is that it will probably happen anyway because people are gullible enough to fall for the PR spin.

 

[ImaRobot]

Its like you guys totally ignore the fact that PC gaming has been dealing with a range of specs for years with no issues. You're carrying on as though this is completely new and unheard of. PS4 games will look just as good as they would have if PS4K had never even been dreamt of. PS4K will look a little better. That will literally be it. I've got no idea why everyone is freaking out.

Not to keen on PC's, but if a game is built above a certain spec, then that would mean a lesser platform could run into problems, no? The problem here, is that if those problems arise, we are not able to do anything about it. Unlike on a PC, where you can easily upgrade things here and there. Aside from that, If consoles lead into it being easily upgradable in the future, it kind of defeats the whole purpose of why some people choose a console in the first place

It doesn't seem to farfetch'd to have that concern, especially when the company at hand likes to push beyond what's possible within it's own hardware.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

MGS V and Alien Isolation were on PS3 and PS4, no problems there, one is limited to 30fps and lower res, the other 60fps and 1080p. PS4 and PS4K performance difference won't be as big as PS3 and PS4, there won't be issue there, X86 console based games should be scalable much like how PC graphic setting, fine tuning for optimum performance is all that really matters.

 

[Samus]

Its like you guys totally ignore the fact that PC gaming has been dealing with a range of specs for years with no issues. You're carrying on as though this is completely new and unheard of. PS4 games will look just as good as they would have if PS4K had never even been dreamt of. PS4K will look a little better. That will literally be it. I've got no idea why everyone is freaking out.

First of all, there is no way to sure of the bold. It could end up that developers focus on the newer spec and don't optimise the lower spec as much as they would have if it was the only target. Second of all as I've already said, the difference is this is coming out x years after the original, only model. With a PC you always have that choice, you don't go out and buy a £400 PC and feel gypped your game doesn't look as good as your mate with a £1000 PC. You had that choice. Current PS4 gamers did not. They showed their faith in Sony and bought their machine day 1 and through to the present, believing what they had was the best and only model for Playstation games in this generation. They believed every game for that generation would play at it's best on their console, until PS5 came along with new games. Now you are potentially alienating that userbase by saying "Sorry we didn't give you the option, but hey, we've got a new, better model now. Fancy buying that one as well, it will actually play those games better than your model?"

MGS V and Alien Isolation were on PS3 and PS4, no problems there, one is limited to 30fps and lower res, the other 60fps and 1080p. PS4 and PS4K performance difference won't be as big as PS3 and PS4, there won't be issue there, X86 console based games should be scalable much like how PC graphic setting, fine tuning for optimum performance is all that really matters.

Again, people had the choice there. Nobody could've bought the PS3 version and then feel annoyed because the PS4 version was better. They had the option to buy the better version when they made their purchase, they chose not to.

No choice here, if true.

 

[PzR Slim]

That's because PC gaming has been always an open platform for years. The only changes that have happened with consoles midway through a cycle was a release of a more energy efficient version or a slim variant. Consoles have been fixed platforms since their inception. Just because the PS4/XB1 specs are equivalent to a low/mid range PC from 5 years ago doesn't mean they should start treating them like PCs and introducing a multi-tier business model.

I know change needs to happen in the console industry but this isn't what some of us want and upgradable consoles could very well kill the industry stone dead if this is allowed to happen. The biggest problem is that it will probably happen anyway because people are gullible enough to fall for the PR spin.

Pretty much every other consumer device, tv's, watches, cars, dishwashers, even bloody calculators have a multi tier business model. And producing an update to a console every 2 - 3 years is perfectly acceptable and would be welcomed by many. And the amount of money we spend on video games has tripled over the past 15 year so your prediction of its demise is a little premature. We are talking about two different specs and there is not even that much of a gap between them when compared to the colossal gaps that exist in the PC market which devs cope with just fine.

I'm sure you ain't going to be missing out if you miss an upgrade each cycle. You'll still be investing in a new console every 5-6 years and your experience will not suffer as a result but those who want to invest in an upgrade every 2-3 years to have the best possible experience will be able to do so.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Its like you guys totally ignore the fact that PC gaming has been dealing with a range of specs for years with no issues. You're carrying on as though this is completely new and unheard of. PS4 games will look just as good as they would have if PS4K had never even been dreamt of. PS4K will look a little better. That will literally be it. I've got no idea why everyone is freaking out.

Because it destroys the one single advantage of the console. None moving target hardware. Games can be massively optimised in a way that is impossible on PC, plus multi million selling of machines is down to consumer confidence that if it's a PlayStation4 then it will be the same as every other PlayStation4 and that is that.

 

[PzR Slim]

Not to keen on PC's, but if a game is built above a certain spec, then that would mean a lesser platform could run into problems, no? The problem here, is that if those problems arise, we are not able to do anything about it. Unlike on a PC, where you can easily upgrade things here and there. Aside from that, If consoles lead into it being easily upgradable in the future, it kind of defeats the whole purpose of why some people choose a console in the first place

It doesn't seem to farfetch'd to have that concern, especially when the company at hand likes to push beyond what's possible within it's own hardware.

The gap that is being talked about is pretty small in the grand scheme of things. The PS4K will be able to display a 4K resolution and maybe a few more bells and whistles but it's not enough of an improvement to make that big of a difference graphically.

 

[ImaRobot]

The gap that is being talked about is pretty small in the grand scheme of things. The PS4K will be able to display a 4K resolution and maybe a few more bells and whistles but it's not enough of an improvement to make that big of a difference graphically.

So then that just makes it sound wholly irrelevant. Why split the base if, going off your words, it's not going to change much. Either way, it just smells.