Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[super_gt]

Do you guys see any tire flex because I can't:

 

[Imari]

Do you guys see any tire flex because I can't:

I wouldn't get your hopes up. They'd need to get variable pressures into the tyre model before it would make any sense to be including flex.

 

[DarthMosco]

no tire tread texture, AMG GT doesn't have slick tires

 

[citroengt1]

Who here would want this garage to actually be used in the GT Sport and GT7?
(we have no confirmation, i'm just asking)

 

[Whistle Snap]

Do you guys see any tire flex because I can't:

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GTSport is a rejigged GT6 with a new coat of paint? Seems so, no wonder Sony said it isn't GT7 👎

 

[Samus]

Do you guys see any tire flex because I can't:

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Whether there is tire flex or there isn't, you wouldn't see it in any of those shots. The tyres aren't under lateral load in any of them, it's static in the Merc one! How are you going to see flex there?!

 

[Smurfybug]

GTSport is a rejigged GT6 with a new coat of paint? Seems so, no wonder Sony said it isn't GT7 👎

 

[sems4arsenal]

No tyre deformation as well? can't remember if GT6 had it

 

[RACECAR]

Why would they suddenly have tire flex if they never featured it in the first place to begin with? I mean really, in a static Garage shot?

 

[GTPorsche]

There's never been tire deformation because they've never had dynamic tire physics and models.

 

[JTB10000]

GTSport is a rejigged GT6 with a new coat of paint? Seems so, no wonder Sony said it isn't GT7 👎

What? It looks great from the little we've seen so far.

 

[Formidable]

Everybody is worried about tire flex now?

I'm just sitting here waiting for another trailer for GTSport

 

[RACECAR]

Everybody is worried about tire flex now?

I'm just sitting here waiting for another trailer for GTSport

Just someone making a questionable post, or grasping for straws, neither of which make sense anyway.

 

[FoRiZon]

Just someone making a questionable post, or grasping for straws, neither of which make sense anyway.

Yeah. I thought he's also did flame bait posts on another threads FYI.

So, on topic from now on.

 

[cutmeamango]

You don't need visual modelling to have physical modelling (all games account for slip angle if that's what you are worried about), and you certainly don't need an advanced (or "dynamic") physical modelling to have the visual modelling. Even at constant "ideal" pressure, you'd have some deflection at different loads vectors for different tyre stiffness.

Anyway, seems like visual modelling is "cheap enough" for current gen, Driveclub will be (is?) doing it in a patch to come too, so GT doing it or not will probably be a question of 'fidelity importance to them' over performance.

 

[Vspectra]

You don't need visual modelling to have physical modelling (all games account for slip angle if that's what you are worried about), and you certainly don't need an advanced (or "dynamic") physical modelling to have the visual modelling. Even at constant "ideal" pressure, you'd have some deflection at different loads vectors for different tyre stiffness.

Anyway, seems like visual modelling is "cheap enough" for current gen, Driveclub will be (is?) doing it in a patch to come too, so GT doing it or not will probably be a question of 'fidelity importance to them' over performance.

Yeah, Driveclub is adding tire flex, and I doubt their tire model physics is all that advanced, as it doesn't need to be.

 

[super_gt]

Whether there is tire flex or there isn't, you wouldn't see it in any of those shots. The tyres aren't under lateral load in any of them, it's static in the Merc one! How are you going to see flex there?!

The the second and fourth pictures are from the GT Sport trailer in motion(nordschleife Karussell)but here some static
real life tire pictures

 

[ImaRobot]

The the second and fourth pictures are from the GT Sport trailer in motion(nordschleife Karussell)but here some static
real life tire pictures
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I'm not sure how much sidewall flex you're expecting in a car that is practically driving in a straight line.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Why would they suddenly have tire flex if they never featured it in the first place to begin with? I mean really, in a static Garage shot?

Everybody is worried about tire flex now?

I'm just sitting here waiting for another trailer for GTSport

Kaz is teaming up with the FIA to, "drive the evolution of motorsports for 100 years", right? The next GT is supposed to have the greatest GT physics ever correct? PS4 is ten times more powerful than the PS3 so I heard. Other top notch sims place a great deal of emphasis on a complex tire model that can simulate the effects of tire pressure, graining and blistering, carcass deformation, heat build up, retention and dissapation, advanced tire wear algorithms etc. It's quite reasonable to expect that if GT is going to drive motorsport for 100 years and take advantage of the awesome power of the PS4 that they will join the ranks of true simulations and create an advanced tire model that is more on par with other sims or even puts them to shame, given PD's budget, stated goals and position in the industry as a whole.

 

[AleksandarSRB]

Kaz is teaming up with the FIA to, "drive the evolution of motorsports for 100 years", right? The next GT is supposed to have the greatest GT physics ever correct? PS4 is ten times more powerful than the PS3 so I heard. Other top notch sims place a great deal of emphasis on a complex tire model that can simulate the effects of tire pressure, graining and blistering, carcass deformation, heat build up, retention and dissapation, advanced tire wear algorithms etc. It's quite reasonable to expect that if GT is going to drive motorsport for 100 years and take advantage of the awesome power of the PS4 that they will join the ranks of true simulations and create an advanced tire model that is more on par with other sims or even puts them to shame, given PD's budget, stated goals and position in the industry as a whole.

I think that you asking/expecting to much... Am telling you this now because you will be disappointed if you really expect all that in GT sport/GT7.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think that you asking/expecting to much... Am telling you this now because you will be disappointed if you really expect all that in GT sport/GT7.

Why? Keep in mind that I'm not asking for anything, I'm just commenting that it's reasonable to begin discussion about the tire model in GTSport and whether or not it's going to be on par with the better sims or remain a more simcade version of a tire model as it is now.

 

[RACECAR]

Kaz is teaming up with the FIA to, "drive the evolution of motorsports for 100 years", right? The next GT is supposed to have the greatest GT physics ever correct? PS4 is ten times more powerful than the PS3 so I heard. Other top notch sims place a great deal of emphasis on a complex tire model that can simulate the effects of tire pressure, graining and blistering, carcass deformation, heat build up, retention and dissapation, advanced tire wear algorithms etc. It's quite reasonable to expect that if GT is going to drive motorsport for 100 years and take advantage of the awesome power of the PS4 that they will join the ranks of true simulations and create an advanced tire model that is more on par with other sims or even puts them to shame, given PD's budget, stated goals and position in the industry as a whole.

I'm not assuming anything based on "Driving the evolution of Motorsport for 100 years". I'll believe it when I see it. Only thing that is safe to assume is that they'll have online, which in this day in age is more or less a forgone standard at this point based on current times rather then a line.

 

[alexnipi]

Look at rear tyre 1:48 tyre flex?

 

[azidahaka]

Kaz is teaming up with the FIA to, "drive the evolution of motorsports for 100 years", right? The next GT is supposed to have the greatest GT physics ever correct? PS4 is ten times more powerful than the PS3 so I heard. Other top notch sims place a great deal of emphasis on a complex tire model that can simulate the effects of tire pressure, graining and blistering, carcass deformation, heat build up, retention and dissapation, advanced tire wear algorithms etc. It's quite reasonable to expect that if GT is going to drive motorsport for 100 years and take advantage of the awesome power of the PS4 that they will join the ranks of true simulations and create an advanced tire model that is more on par with other sims or even puts them to shame, given PD's budget, stated goals and position in the industry as a whole.

My sarcasm-o-meter is offscale!

 

[super_gt]

Look at rear tyre 1:48 tyre flex?

 

[alexnipi]

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a pic can't show it well just look it better when the tyre is underload and bounce,i don't know if i wrote this well but i'll post a better explanation later

 

[GTPorsche]

There has never been any tire deformation in Gran Turismo.

 

[UnkaD]

Look at rear tyre 1:48 tyre flex?

It looks like the tire just clipped through the track surface for a moment. There was no real change to the shape.

Viewing it again, I might be wrong. But remember that it's not true gameplay footage we see there.

 

[alexnipi]

It looks like the tire just clipped through the track surface for a moment. There was no real change to the shape.

Viewing it again, I might be wrong. But remember that it's not true gameplay footage we see there.

you can be right but i'm thinking there is tyre flex xD

edit: the gif image not work.. can anyone help me with this? i uploaded like a normal photo

 

[georgetigra]

yes gt6 dont have COSMETIC tyre derfomation...