Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

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Tenacious D
I'm thinking "much" better graphics might not be all that true, of course it depends. Some PC graphics fiends can get all warm inside over a change of framerate from 110 to 120fps, or an increase in resolution beyond 1080p.

I suspect that what NEO will bring to the table will be smaller improvements, like almost no pop in rather than very little, and more light sources in night scenes. As mentioned above, four player split screen rather than two. I don't anticipate more cars on track or dynamic time of day or weather. My inclination on that is if PD can get it working on PS4K, it will work about as well on PS4.

I seriously think GT Sport on PS4 is going to spoil us with having proper shadows alone. If NEO will be able to push graphics beyond 1080p, that would be great, but I'm plenty happy with 1080. If we get more dynamic light sources at night, or slightly better looking rain, I doubt that's really going to be a game changer for anyone, and I'm betting Photo Mode images will look identical, or very close. There won't be a NEO version of Sport, any more than there are different versions of PC games for the new graphics cards. So I wouldn't feel the need to sell your PS4s in order to have a "true" gaming experience.
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144hz 1440p or get out.
 
SlipZtrEm
If dynamic weather were a Neo exclusive, then yeah, the regular PS4 commoners wouldn't be able to race with the Neo folks, at least not in any events that used it.
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But that would be a dumb thing for PD to do and I don't think Sony would allow it.
 
Rather than speculating, how about you go ahead and look at the leaked rule book Sony made on how to go about with making games for the Neo.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...ion-4k-neo-and-the-original-ps4-will-co-exist

I'll just quote some important bits here.

"If a PlayStation title supports online features, they must be deployed equally on both systems. Developers cannot have Neo-only servers."

"Developers are not allowed to segregate Neo and PS4 users on the PlayStation Network. Online game modes must offer the same feature set."

"Neo-only or PS4-only games are not permitted"

"Developers cannot supply exclusive gameplay features for Neo owners. If the game has a split-screen mode, it must be available on both systems. However, modes can be enhanced - so a two-player split-screen mode on PS4 could be expanded to allow a four-player variant on Neo"

"Developers cannot add exclusive content to either PS4 or Neo systems."

"A game's frame-rate must meet or exceed its equivalent performance level on base PlayStation 4 hardware."
 
"A game's frame-rate must meet or exceed its equivalent performance level on base PlayStation 4 hardware."
This rule might forbid any 4k games on the NEO. Or the only way it could work is if PS4 had a 4k mode running at say 15fps, and Neo made it run at 30fps.
 
Fgame
"A game's frame-rate must meet or exceed its equivalent performance level on base PlayStation 4 hardware."
This rule might forbid any 4k games on the NEO. Or the only way it could work is if PS4 had a 4k mode running at say 15fps, and Neo made it run at 30fps.
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Nah man that would be stupid, having 15fps 4k just to have 30fps 4k on ps4neo
 
GTEFGHA
Nah man that would be stupid, having 15fps 4k just to have 30fps 4k on ps4neo
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I do remember 800x600 pixels being state of the art on PC and getting 15fps in a driving game would be reasonable in order to experience the super high resolution.
A 15fps 4k experience would still mean a 60fps experience possible in 1080p mode on the PS4, and without there seeming to be any rules about minimum frame rate on games published on the Sony platform (a few PS3 and PS4 games have come out which go down to 15fps in situations of demand) I couldn't rule it out there being 4k modes on the base PS4 in order to allow a 4k mode on the Neo.
 
Fgame
"A game's frame-rate must meet or exceed its equivalent performance level on base PlayStation 4 hardware."
This rule might forbid any 4k games on the NEO. Or the only way it could work is if PS4 had a 4k mode running at say 15fps, and Neo made it run at 30fps.
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This is essentially going to be the way around it; offer all the high spec stuff on the base console at a lower quality level. Maybe not 15 Hz, but perhaps reduced scene complexity etc.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
So basically like any esport driven game, I've noticed a lot of members here get a kick (no pun intended) out of Rocket League, but it too has turned into another serious esport game. And on topic with DOTA 2, I feel the same way as an avid LOL player. I'm silver tier, but far from the higher tier people that are on a professional stage. Though that is the case, I feel all these are different than the what is being taken on by GT and the FIA.

In those games you are paired with teams in serious ranked efforts, or you're building a team for team rank. Either way sets of people are relying on you to do well so they can have a better shot at winning. In this setup, you only have you to blame if you aren't fast enough or make mistakes that cost you a win you could have easily had. So I feel that just like many mobile games if GT can make a good running system that is also easy to pick up people will buy it no matter how competitive it becomes.

All these other esport games are highly competitive but as you said have the ability to still be very play worthy for people of lesser skill. I feel the opposite will still happen too even if it isn't AC or PCars driven, people will play in the competitive portions be thrashed by a better play and perhaps just not see the reason to keep going, especially if there is no single player career or offline mode.
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This is why the matchmaking/ranking/driver rating system is going to be critical to the success of this game from the get go. If you aren't matched up with people of your skill and safety level within a couple of handful of races it's going to get awfully frustrating for casual players, especially if PD leaves everyone in the dark with details.

Viperman240
Rather than speculating, how about you go ahead and look at the leaked rule book Sony made on how to go about with making games for the Neo.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...ion-4k-neo-and-the-original-ps4-will-co-exist

I'll just quote some important bits here.

"If a PlayStation title supports online features, they must be deployed equally on both systems. Developers cannot have Neo-only servers."

"Developers are not allowed to segregate Neo and PS4 users on the PlayStation Network. Online game modes must offer the same feature set."

"Neo-only or PS4-only games are not permitted"

"Developers cannot supply exclusive gameplay features for Neo owners. If the game has a split-screen mode, it must be available on both systems. However, modes can be enhanced - so a two-player split-screen mode on PS4 could be expanded to allow a four-player variant on Neo"

"Developers cannot add exclusive content to either PS4 or Neo systems."

"A game's frame-rate must meet or exceed its equivalent performance level on base PlayStation 4 hardware."
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Still a lot of wiggle room for interpretation there. Base PS4 has weather but Neo can have dynamic weather offline, just not online. Base PS4 has 20 cars offline, Neo has 40 cars offline etc.
Tenacious D
I'm thinking "much" better graphics might not be all that true, of course it depends. Some PC graphics fiends can get all warm inside over a change of framerate from 110 to 120fps, or an increase in resolution beyond 1080p.

I suspect that what NEO will bring to the table will be smaller improvements, like almost no pop in rather than very little, and more light sources in night scenes. As mentioned above, four player split screen rather than two. I don't anticipate more cars on track or dynamic time of day or weather. My inclination on that is if PD can get it working on PS4K, it will work about as well on PS4.

I seriously think GT Sport on PS4 is going to spoil us with having proper shadows alone. If NEO will be able to push graphics beyond 1080p, that would be great, but I'm plenty happy with 1080. If we get more dynamic light sources at night, or slightly better looking rain, I doubt that's really going to be a game changer for anyone, and I'm betting Photo Mode images will look identical, or very close. There won't be a NEO version of Sport, any more than there are different versions of PC games for the new graphics cards. So I wouldn't feel the need to sell your PS4s in order to have a "true" gaming experience.
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I think you are seriously underestimating the increased processing power of the Neo and ignoring the entire reason for releasing a Neo in the first place. If the improvements are smaller and barely noticable why would Sony go to the trouble of potentially creating a rift in the community and the expense of creating a whole new console?
 
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Laffinassasin
That VR box is pretty mysterious right now. I can't think why it has a PSU rated at 36 watts and is actively cooled. T

Sorry for the off-topic but I'm intrigued by it and by what chip(s) are inside that require such power.
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There is absolutely nothing 'mysterious' about it. They've gone over exactly what it does several times and have officially debunked any notion that it provides PSVR with some secret graphics enhancing sauce.
 
jm79
I think they're going to surprise everyone and call it the PS5 ;)
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If PS4 Neo is a PS5, I stop video game.

PS4 Neo brings almost nothing compared to PS4 "basic". It will run games at 1080p,30/60fps instead of 720p/900p,30fps or have more effects, better AA, but that's all.

Those who believe that the PS4 Neo will look game in 4K, they dream. Indie games, maybe, but for AAA, we will have full HD.

(I base on specs given by the leaks)
 
Zlork
If PS4 Neo is a PS5, I stop video game.

PS4 Neo brings almost nothing compared to PS4 "basic". It will run games at 1080p,30/60fps instead of 720p/900p,30fps or have more effects, better AA, but that's all.

Those who believe that the PS4 Neo will look game in 4K, they dream. Indie games, maybe, but for AAA, we will have full HD.

(I base on specs given by the leaks)
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For me, slightly strangely perhaps, a proper new PS5 console rather than a PS4.5K would be loads better in my eyes.
Purely because a PS5 wouldn't completely devalue the PS4.
 
Zlork
If PS4 Neo is a PS5, I stop video game.

PS4 Neo brings almost nothing compared to PS4 "basic". It will run games at 1080p,30/60fps instead of 720p/900p,30fps or have more effects, better AA, but that's all.

Those who believe that the PS4 Neo will look game in 4K, they dream. Indie games, maybe, but for AAA, we will have full HD.

(I base on specs given by the leaks)
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Not that I'm saying that PS "NEO" games will be 4K, but am I wrong in saying that all AAA games on the PS4 are 1080p and at least 30 fps?

To my knowledge, 1080p is more the rule rather than the exception on the PS4.
 
jm79
For me, slightly strangely perhaps, a proper new PS5 console rather than a PS4.5K would be loads better in my eyes.
Purely because a PS5 wouldn't completely devalue the PS4.
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Yes, I prefer that Sony release a "true" PS5. But it's too early....

Mr_Hansen
Not that I'm saying that PS "NEO" games will be 4K, but am I wrong in saying that all AAA games on the PS4 are 1080p and at least 30 fps?

To my knowledge, 1080p is more the rule rather than the exception on the PS4.
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I was talking in general.

Yes, there is hope that all games will be in 1080p. And those who already are, will be able have a better framerate.
 
Tenacious D
I'm thinking "much" better graphics might not be all that true, of course it depends. Some PC graphics fiends can get all warm inside over a change of framerate from 110 to 120fps, or an increase in resolution beyond 1080p.

I suspect that what NEO will bring to the table will be smaller improvements, like almost no pop in rather than very little, and more light sources in night scenes. As mentioned above, four player split screen rather than two. I don't anticipate more cars on track or dynamic time of day or weather. My inclination on that is if PD can get it working on PS4K, it will work about as well on PS4.

I seriously think GT Sport on PS4 is going to spoil us with having proper shadows alone. If NEO will be able to push graphics beyond 1080p, that would be great, but I'm plenty happy with 1080. If we get more dynamic light sources at night, or slightly better looking rain, I doubt that's really going to be a game changer for anyone, and I'm betting Photo Mode images will look identical, or very close. There won't be a NEO version of Sport, any more than there are different versions of PC games for the new graphics cards. So I wouldn't feel the need to sell your PS4s in order to have a "true" gaming experience.
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The GPU alone is supposed to have at least twice the power of the PS4 GPU. That's huge. I believe the difference will be huge as well. Why would PD ignore this power and only apply marginal upgrades to the graphics?

The whole reason for Sony to bring Neo to the market is offer a PS4 with premium graphics. So, FPS, shaders, lighting, LoD, geometry, draw distance, anti-aliasing, sound, damage system, and a lot of other things could be upgraded without break the rules that Sony created to not fragment the system.

And for those who really care about graphics, image quality and other cosmetic things will have a big reason to consider the Neo version.
 
jpbonadio
The GPU alone is supposed to have at least twice the power of the PS4 GPU. That's huge. I believe the difference will be huge as well. Why would PD ignore this power and only apply marginal upgrades to the graphics?

The whole reason for Sony to bring Neo to the market is offer a PS4 with premium graphics. So, FPS, shaders, lighting, LoD, geometry, draw distance, anti-aliasing, sound, damage system, and a lot of other things could be upgraded without break the rules that Sony created to not fragment the system.

And for those who really care about graphics, image quality and other cosmetic things will have a big reason to consider the Neo version.
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No. The main reason for upgraded PS4 is Virtual Reality worlds.
 
PletdeKoe
It's funny to see how speculation is totally intertwined in some of the arguments people use. I mean, it has not been confirmed there are differences in weather on ps4 and psNeo. Nor are there any confirmed specs for psNeo announced.....
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No one is arguing that it has been confirmed, or that we think it's in there. More so that the route, if chosen, would be a horrible choice.


Mr_Hansen
Not that I'm saying that PS "NEO" games will be 4K, but am I wrong in saying that all AAA games on the PS4 are 1080p and at least 30 fps?

To my knowledge, 1080p is more the rule rather than the exception on the PS4.
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Eh, I wouldn't exactly say wrong, but there are a handful of titles that where not 1080p. 30FPS is something that has been set in stone before this gen even came out though, so you're correct right there. Any game has to be atleast 30fps. That, or 60, are pretty much the only targets.

Zlork
I was talking in general.

Yes, there is hope that all games will be in 1080p. And those who already are, will be able have a better framerate.
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I'm not so sure they'd actually be changing the framerate, but more so the optimization of it, no?
 
Zlork
If PS4 Neo is a PS5, I stop video game.

PS4 Neo brings almost nothing compared to PS4 "basic". It will run games at 1080p,30/60fps instead of 720p/900p,30fps or have more effects, better AA, but that's all.

Those who believe that the PS4 Neo will look game in 4K, they dream. Indie games, maybe, but for AAA, we will have full HD.

(I base on specs given by the leaks)
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If you consider almost double the processing power as "nothing", then yeah, Neo brings nothing to the table. It has the potential to bring a great deal of improvements to gaming the only question is whether Sony will release it's full potential to gamers and it looks like the answer is probably no.
 
GordonS
No. The main reason for upgraded PS4 is Virtual Reality worlds.
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Are you aware that VR will be available for the base PS4 too?

So, in both VR and non VR games, the reason for the Neo existence is offer a premium experience.



Found one more offscreen gameplay video from Japan event:





And here the part of the GTR trailer that could be GTS:




Anybody believe that could be using GTS engine?
 
Johnnypenso
If you consider almost double the processing power as "nothing", then yeah, Neo brings nothing to the table. It has the potential to bring a great deal of improvements to gaming the only question is whether Sony will release it's full potential to gamers and it looks like the answer is probably no.
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Hmm.. I believe Sony will unleash PS4 Neo after a buffer of a time. (I wan't to believe)
 
jpbonadio
Are you aware that VR will be available for the base PS4 too?

So, in both VR and non VR games, the reason for the Neo existence is offer a premium experience.



Found one more offscreen gameplay video from Japan event:





And here the part of the GTR trailer that could be GTS:




Anybody believe that could be using GTS engine?
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I'm fully aware of the early PS4+PSVR plans of Sony. But, industry insiders have already shot down the PS4-PSVR combination, it being insufficient. PS4 just isn't powerful enough for full big title experiments in VR.
There are plans for PS4 GTSport + PS VR. But don't expect it being full VR gaming experience. It may only mean arcade mode or time trialing only.

(Sorry for double posting, because slow PS4 writing)
 
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