I would say the situations are fairly similar, both MS and SCE relying on a teaser trailer to generate interest before the main announcement. A rather more fundamental difference of course is GTS having a beta.
Not really, because we always know when the game is coming out, which has always been two years from its previous release near the end of Q4. Even if they didn't say a date, their track record has always shown this to be the case. They also start releasing info months before they release a game, and if a demo is coming out, they also release info before even that as well. I would imagine a beta would be more important than a demo. You'd think something would be up letting people know what is going to be happening within it, where as a demo already comes along when you have a good chunk of information before hand and most often than not it's when a game has already been finalized.
We are coming up to the end of q1, nearing the end of "early" 2016(if we split it between early, middle, and late), and yet all we know is that the beta is somewhere slated to come out in sometime with little to no information on it. I fail to see the similarities.
I'm not complaining on your part (great article by the way), it's just we are still not getting any more GTS news from PD, and it's concerning me quite a bit. I'm not wanting all the details just yet, but just at least something to show that they're still active and working on the game. It's really making me think the beta and release is going to be pushed back, but then again, that wouldn't surprise me knowing that Project Cars and AC for console were delayed themselves.
I see all of this news for things coming to AC, FM6 and in future Forza games, but so little from PD and GTS. I just wonder what they're up to.
It's concerning for me too. I don't doubt that PD is working away on the game, but a public acknowledgement of it would do wonders. They have a large fanbase, one that eats up even the tiniest of details, so releasing something would only benefit them.
And if they aren't going to make "early 2016"? An announcement before that happens will do them much better from a PR perspective than simply remaining silent as the soft deadline passes.
Which you'll find isn't a noticeable tagline anymore. Though Google's description of the site still mentions solely GT. The Facebook page simply says "sim racing enthusiasts".
And now 90% you see on the news page are articles of other racing games. Back then i jumped in the air everytime i saw that some new article was available, presumably showing something new of Gran Turismo. No i cant jump in the air anymore, because everything i get to read about are what DLC for Need For Speed or Forza are availabe, or that some mobile App for Driveclub is ready to download.
I didnt used to be a site which covers everything about racing games - it was a site about covering the world of gran turismo. And thats what bugs people like me when a new GtPlanet Facebook post about some other game is made.
Given its current size, if GTPlanet had to subsist on exclusively GT news, it wouldn't survive. Here's a breakdown of what the front page would look like for the last month, shorn of anything that isn't GT-related (and I'm being generous):
“GAME ON” Museum Exhibit in Japan Inducts Gran Turismo Showcase
Vote Now to Decide GTPlanet’s GT6 Track of the Week 21
Nissan Announces Motorsport Programmes for 2016
GTPlanet’s GT6 Track of the Week: Wiener Höhenstraße Part I
Have Your Say for the Next GTPlanet Track of the Week
Jann Mardenborough on Racing, Respect, and His R32 Skyline
4WD Rally Cars Featured in Latest GT6 Super Lap and Drift Trials
GTPlanet’s WRS Special Event: GT300 Triple Mix Championship
Gran Turismo Aids NVIDIA’s Self-Driving Car Development Efforts
GTPlanet Community Spotlight: Nostalgia, A Love Letter to the Past
Koenigsegg Regera Charging Towards the PS4?
GTPlanet’s GT6 Track of the Week: Desert Valley Raceway
Alpine Vision Revealed in Monaco, Kazunori Yamauchi in Attendance
GTPlanet Community Spotlight: Ruling the World of Racing Games
Autumn Ring, Apricot Hill Raceway and Red Bull Ring Featured in Latest GT6 Seasonal Events
GTPlanet’s GT6 Track of the Week: Smörgåsbord
Nissan Doesn’t Renew Wolfgang Reip’s Contract for 2016
How Many Cars Does Your Driving Game Really Have?
GTPlanet Community Spotlight: Is Gran Turismo Sport a Step in the Right Direction?
GTPlanet’s GT6 Track of the Week: St. Andrew’s Park
That's 21 articles in four weeks. 12 of them are about internal GTPlanet events or regular features. The Alpine article is only tangentially related (Kaz was in attendance). The motorsports articles are increasingly less related, since Nissan chopped so many GT Academy grads. The Koenigsegg is a maybe.
That leaves the recent museum piece and last week's NVIDIA news. Both of which have nothing to do with GT Sport.
Its like you have your favourite PlayStation Website, which just brings PlayStation news, and you liked that site just because of that, because you only get to see stuff you want to see. But then suddenly your site which always covered only the world of playstation starts putting up news about xbox stuff.
That's not the same at all. Barring any sudden discontinuation of the PlayStation brand, there's always news about something relating to the system, since you're casting such a wide net.
Which is sort of what we're doing. We still make GT a priority – we broke the news about the leaked images from PD's Christmas party – and will continue to do so. But the site has a large number of people that enjoy other games. Rather than suggest these people go elsewhere (we tried that with ForzaPlanet, but it has since been re-absorbed into the main 'Planet), we're welcoming them with open arms, with content on the front page that is relevant to them as well. This has only been made possible recently because a few passionate, dedicated members have volunteered to help us expand.
There will always be members that are averse to change. But going by the response our expanded coverage has received, the majority are happy with the increased diversity on the front page. Which, I can't stress enough, is not a replacement for GT news. It's in addition.
It's mostly Facebook that provides the "this isn't GT, rabblerabblerabble" comments. One particularly troubled person has even called us a pack of sphincters on a few occasions (and, of course, threatened to stop following the page each and every time).
It just doesnt fit with "Covering the World of Gran Turismo" anymore. An article on the site about that change of direction and a different line like "Covering the World of sim racing" would have made things clearer.
I'm not sure what you're implying here. If it's that we're not looking for GT news, that'd be incorrect. There simply isn't any.
I didn't take it that way, no worries. Thanks.
It's concerning for me too. I don't doubt that PD is working away on the game, but a public acknowledgement of it would do wonders. They have a large fanbase, one that eats up even the tiniest of details, so releasing something would only benefit them.
And if they aren't going to make "early 2016"? An announcement before that happens will do them much better from a PR perspective than simply remaining silent as the soft deadline passes.
Which you'll find isn't a noticeable tagline anymore. Though Google's description of the site still mentions solely GT. The Facebook page simply says "sim racing enthusiasts".
Given its current size, if GTPlanet had to subsist on exclusively GT news, it wouldn't survive. Here's a breakdown of what the front page would look like for the last month, shorn of anything that isn't GT-related (and I'm being generous):
“GAME ON” Museum Exhibit in Japan Inducts Gran Turismo Showcase
Vote Now to Decide GTPlanet’s GT6 Track of the Week 21
Nissan Announces Motorsport Programmes for 2016
GTPlanet’s GT6 Track of the Week: Wiener Höhenstraße Part I
Have Your Say for the Next GTPlanet Track of the Week
Jann Mardenborough on Racing, Respect, and His R32 Skyline
4WD Rally Cars Featured in Latest GT6 Super Lap and Drift Trials
GTPlanet’s WRS Special Event: GT300 Triple Mix Championship
Gran Turismo Aids NVIDIA’s Self-Driving Car Development Efforts
GTPlanet Community Spotlight: Nostalgia, A Love Letter to the Past
Koenigsegg Regera Charging Towards the PS4?
GTPlanet’s GT6 Track of the Week: Desert Valley Raceway
Alpine Vision Revealed in Monaco, Kazunori Yamauchi in Attendance
GTPlanet Community Spotlight: Ruling the World of Racing Games
Autumn Ring, Apricot Hill Raceway and Red Bull Ring Featured in Latest GT6 Seasonal Events
GTPlanet’s GT6 Track of the Week: Smörgåsbord
Nissan Doesn’t Renew Wolfgang Reip’s Contract for 2016
How Many Cars Does Your Driving Game Really Have?
GTPlanet Community Spotlight: Is Gran Turismo Sport a Step in the Right Direction?
GTPlanet’s GT6 Track of the Week: St. Andrew’s Park
That's 21 articles in four weeks. 12 of them are about internal GTPlanet events or regular features. The Alpine article is only tangentially related (Kaz was in attendance). The motorsports articles are increasingly less related, since Nissan chopped so many GT Academy grads. The Koenigsegg is a maybe.
That leaves the recent museum piece and last week's NVIDIA news. Both of which have nothing to do with GT Sport.
That's not the same at all. Barring any sudden discontinuation of the PlayStation brand, there's always news about something relating to the system, since you're casting such a wide net.
Which is sort of what we're doing. We still make GT a priority – we broke the news about the leaked images from PD's Christmas party – and will continue to do so. But the site has a large number of people that enjoy other games. Rather than suggest these people go elsewhere (we tried that with ForzaPlanet, but it has since been re-absorbed into the main 'Planet), we're welcoming them with open arms, with content on the front page that is relevant to them as well. This has only been made possible recently because a few passionate, dedicated members have volunteered to help us expand.
There will always be members that are averse to change. But going by the response our expanded coverage has received, the majority are happy with the increased diversity on the front page. Which, I can't stress enough, is not a replacement for GT news. It's in addition.
Er, I didn't say many.
It's mostly Facebook that provides the "this isn't GT, rabblerabblerabble" comments. One particularly troubled person has even called us a pack of sphincters on a few occasions (and, of course, threatened to stop following the page each and every time).
While an article about the expansion didn't happen, it's been in Jordan's mind for a while.
Another FIA World Motor Sport Council has passed without the introduction of regulations for their online championship. Next chance is during the Sport Conference in June.
Not really, because we always know when the game is coming out, which has always been two years from its previous release near the end of Q4. Even if they didn't say a date, their track record has always shown this to be the case. They also start releasing info months before they release a game, and if a demo is coming out, they also release info before even that as well. I would imagine a beta would be more important than a demo. You'd think something would be up letting people know what is going to be happening within it, where as a demo already comes along when you have a good chunk of information before hand and most often than not it's when a game has already been finalized.
We are coming up to the end of q1, nearing the end of "early" 2016(if we split it between early, middle, and late), and yet all we know is that the beta is somewhere slated to come out in sometime with little to no information on it. I fail to see the similarities.
How so? You are comparing them as if they are in a similar situation and do things similarly, when they are not. If your point was just that they both release trailers, than I suppose so, but from everything you've been posting I doubt that's all you meant.
At this point, anything is possible. It's possible that it'll get delayed massively, but as it sits, we have no information to suggest either or.
Yes thats right, but its good to know that they arent just some guys in a Service Center operating for PDI with a given sheet of infos they are able to share.
So here we have it, the official communication channel with PDI that everyone wanted.
They did say stuff like ,,more racecars and a few street cars'', ''super premium cars'' and so on - thats what i mean with ,,they didnt say ,,nothing''''!
But those were private messages sent to individuals that the wider fanbase wouldn't have seen without them deciding to post them publicly. That isn't the type of communication we were asking for or expecting, I mean who knows what else they've told individuals that hasn't been screenshotted and posted?
We expected and wanted direct communication with the entire fanbase, not someone sending private messages on Facebook.
Just to change tack a little, the official Gran Turismo website posted an article about the Alpine Vision Concept, talking about its release, how much of a fan of Alpine Kaz is, and the partnership they had created through the design of the Vision GT. I just think that kind of officially enshrines the relationship with Alpine everyone speculated about when Kaz appeared at the unveiling.
But those were private messages sent to individuals that the wider fanbase wouldn't have seen without them deciding to post them publicly. That isn't the type of communication we were asking for or expecting, I mean who knows what else they've told individuals that hasn't been screenshotted and posted?
We expected and wanted direct communication with the entire fanbase, not someone sending private messages on Facebook.
So, they gave us the possibilty to communicate with them at a private base (which seems more personal and better to me) and thats still not enough? Seems like they cant make it right to you :/
I mean, when you have a question to PD, why dont you just ask them? Nothing easier and faster than that! Facebook says ,,usually writes back in minutes'' which suggests that they are pretty fast in responding.
And then you can share it with your community, i dont see any problem here oO
So, they gave us the possibilty to communicate with them at a private base (which seems more personal and better to me) and thats still not enough? Seems like they cant make it right to you :/
I mean, when you have a question to PD, why dont you just ask them? Nothing easier and faster than that! Facebook says ,,usually writes back in minutes'' which suggests that they are pretty fast in responding.
And then you can share it with your community, i dont see any problem here oO
They are supposed to be communicating with us, not the other way around. We shouldn't have to keep asking them questions on Facebook to find things out, and it's not like they're actually answering most questions properly anyway. Also, we asked them hundreds of questions already in a dedicated forum they asked to set up, we all know how that went. Why should we do it all over again just to learn about the game?
They are supposed to be communicating with us, not the other way around. We shouldn't have to keep asking them questions on Facebook to find things out, and it's not like they're actually answering most questions properly anyway. Also, we asked them hundreds of questions already in a dedicated forum they asked to set up, we all know how that went. Why should we do it all over again just to learn about the game?
Why should they supposed to be the ones that are communication with us?? The guy with the questions is YOU and the thing is when YOU want to get information about something then YOU should be the one who asks!
It isnt PDIs job to guess questions you might be interested in and give you the answers in advance....
Why cant you just be happy that you have you very own communication channel now??
Seriously? Do you not know how PR works? It's not up to the consumer to ask a company about their products to learn more. I mean, do you think consumers spend their day sending messages to all of their favourite companies to find out about them? No.
Why cant you just be happy that you have you very own communication channel now??
Why should they supposed to be the ones that are communication with us?? The guy with the questions is YOU and the thing is when YOU want to get information about something then YOU should be the one who asks!
... I'm hoping this was written in haste without a forethought given to it. Or at least, your grasp of English played a factor in formulating this answer.
I mean, if I was to follow your line of logic, then since I want to play a GT game, I should make it too?
Why should they supposed to be the ones that are communication with us?? The guy with the questions is YOU and the thing is when YOU want to get information about something then YOU should be the one who asks!
It isnt PDIs job to guess questions you might be interested in and give you the answers in advance....
Why cant you just be happy that you have you very own communication channel now??
Because they should act like a developer who actually cares about their fan base who have been incredibly loyal despite PD's behaviour in the past. If it wasn't for us PD would be nothing. GT fans have been more than patient in the past and have put up with seeing rival developers release games of similar quality and in some instances better quality in a timely manner whilst interacting with their communities in a much better way than PD do. In the past PD was the standard, I remember before the release of GT5 having a real smug feeling and thinking how 'PD will show them' when my Xbox friends would wax lyrical about Forza. I thought it would blow everything else out of the water, it just didn't and GT6 was even worse. They aren't the top of the tree anymore, they can't rest on their laurels anymore. They need to be doing a better job than their competitors at all levels and that includes communication with their fans.
Why should they supposed to be the ones that are communication with us?? The guy with the questions is YOU and the thing is when YOU want to get information about something then YOU should be the one who asks!
I would hope that you would never open up a company and try to sell a product, and use this train of thought. Your company will be dead before you even open the doors. The point is to give information so that people don't have to guess at whats going on. You shouldn't have to hound for answers on a product that is apparently anywhere up to 1 month away from its release. That's a recipe for failure.
It isnt PDIs job to guess questions you might be interested in and give you the answers in advance....
We don't have a communication channel. It's practically like an automated response program just shelling out the exact same answer every time. Considering most of the answers are left open on purpose, all their basically doing is giving everyone that asks, the run around.
Perhaps because they're the ones making the game and have all the information? Just a thought.
I can only ask questions about things I know about. What about all the stuff they could be telling us that we don't know anything about?
Seriously? Do you not know how PR works? It's not up to the consumer to ask a company about their products to learn more. I mean, do you think consumers spend their day sending messages to all of their favourite companies to find out about them? No.
I think I've explained why. One guy not answering most questions on Facebook is not my idea of good developer communication.
Ok, here where i live we tend to ask questions if we want to get information, maybe that isnt something where you live.
And PDI IS communicating with us (the thing you said what companys do to promote their product) but for most of the people just not fast enough. And now there is the point where you have to take action when you want more communication. The infos you got arent enough?! Just ask PDI via facebook and voila - here you go, there is the communication you always wanted
Just dont expect them to be able to answer all of your questions.
I honestly dont see ANYTHING negative or bad about the possibility to directly communicate with them instead of getting random information from them.
... I'm hoping this was written in haste without a forethought given to it. Or at least, your grasp of English played a factor in formulating this answer.
I mean, if I was to follow your line of logic, then since I want to play a GT game, I should make it too?
Well, they do things similarly, specifically "tell people about your game and then say basically nothing for over 5 months". Did you read the posts I was replying to?
Well, they do things similarly, specifically "tell people about your game and then say basically nothing for over 5 months". Did you read the posts I was replying to?
Oh so I wasn't going off on a tangent it seems? The first trailer was released at E3, accompanied by lots of information as well(Which was in June by the way, and the game releasing a couple of months after that.) So, how is that similar?
If your talking about them saying that they are going to put a new car on the car cover, early in 2015, than I suppose you just might have a point. Although, a new car being on a new game is to be expected, as well as what the release date is as well.
I'm not too sure about what GDC is (aside from apparently being another convention), but someone mentioned rumors about GT Sport news coming then on Facebook.... I realize this isn't the most reliable source, but just throwing it out there.
EDIT: It looks like PD will not be there, but Sony will... So I'm thinking maybe they'll showcase VR and there could be a slight chance of GT: Sport news I think.
Speed is not the issue here, the method being used is.
How does this help the people who only get their gaming news via IGN, Gamespot, or other game sites. Oh right, they're supposed to go and ask PD directly. Right.
Just dont expect them to be able to answer all of your questions.
I didn't say this was a negative, I said it wasn't quite what we were asking for. There is a difference, like if you owed me €1000 and gave me €200. It's a positive, I've got some of the money, but not quite what I asked for.
What? Maybe my english didnt transport that well but heres a second try:
When A wants to know something from B... then A has to aks questions to B in order to get the wanted information. Nothing said about making a game oO
Right, and you do that for absolutely everything in life, do you? You never wait for A to just publish information, you go directly to them? When you want to know about an upcoming TV show, you email the director rather than just wait for adverts and promo material? When you want to know something about a current event you send your questions in to those involved, rather than having the media report the information you want to know?
It's like you've never heard of the concept of a press release.
He says further down the conversation that is was loaned by a publisher. That would suggest to me that the game he's testing is quite far along the development process. I can think of a couple of games due for release soon.
He says further down the conversation that is was loaned by a publisher. That would suggest to me that the game he's testing is quite far along the development process.
Given the date most likely either Dirt Rally or AC. Could be GTS, but I would have thought that PD/Sony would have been more controlled about its release to the press than this.
Speed is not the issue here, the method being used is.
How does this help the people who only get their gaming news via IGN, Gamespot, or other game sites. Oh right, they're supposed to go and ask PD directly. Right.
How many questions exactly have they answered, completely?
I didn't say this was a negative, I said it wasn't quite what we were asking for. There is a difference, like if you owed me €1000 and gave me €200. It's a positive, I've got some of the money, but not quite what I asked for.
Right, and you do that for absolutely everything in life, do you? You never wait for A to just publish information, you go directly to them? When you want to know about an upcoming TV show, you email the director rather than just wait for adverts and promo material? When you want to know something about a current event you send your questions in to those involved, rather than having the media report the information you want to know?
It's like you've never heard of the concept of a press release.
The point is - You've got your first press info about GTS and when you wanna know more about GTS before the next press info comes out you are able to ask PDI directly.
The point is - You've got your first press info about GTS and when you wanna know more about GTS before the next press info comes out you are able to ask PDI directly.
The point is - You've got your first press info about GTS and when you wanna know more about GTS before the next press info comes out you are able to ask PDI directly.
I'm hoping this was written in haste without a forethought given to it. Or at least, your grasp of English played a factor in formulating this answer.
