Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion
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Ameer67
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That's the thing I like about what Forza Motorsport is doing nowadays: taking the tried and true GT formula and improving it and presenting it in a more modern way. GT, on the other hand, seems it wants to do away with the formula that they basically invented.
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I just shared the 2 latest titles out of both franchises, since sales apparently judge what the public thinks instead of their actual reviews.
Beyond Forza 5's rushed title that had its share of issues, the Forza series has consistently done well with the public's view of the game (8.0+ ratings).
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If you take away the slight changes here and there, it still is... car "x" on track "y", rinse and repeat.
Indeed, I enjoyed FM1-4 quite often but the one thing that has always puzzled me is, why hasn't Forza had a 10 million seller yet? The 360 had the console users in place after all. I am of the opinion that it is due to what I said to Ameer67.
Ameer67
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That's the basic racing game formula right there. I'm talking GT style: variety of cars, personal garage, customize your cars, take that car and do races, etc.
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Personally, for GT, I think it's a combination of right time, right place, and a lack of real competition. The PS2 era was a golden one for the series; when GT3 came out, there was nothing that could hope to compare. GT4 came along and enjoyed a solid six years of brand recognition on the dominant system of the generation.
GT5 Prologue banked on that goodwill, while GT5 proper had such a huge amount of hype it was bound to sell well. It also was still more or less all folks had for that particular type of game in the Sony ecosystem.
Meanwhile, Forza was released as a very obvious Microsoft counterpart to a successful franchise on the rival system. A decade later some folks still refer to it as nothing more than a GT clone, which is a little ironic now: if you want a GT game on the current generation, your only real option is FM6, especially with all signs pointing to GT Sport abandoning the traditional formula.
Barring any major change in the general population's perception of racing games, I personally don't expect any semi-realistic racing game to hit 8-digit sales figures again.
Then again, sales numbers mean very little to the end user, other than a rough idea of how many people will conceivably be available for online racing.
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Should also be noted that while the 360 had a pretty large install base and could go hit for hit with the PS3, the Xbox brand has always been by far the strongest in North America. The three or four million sales Japan has contributed to total GT game sales since GT4 released is something that you might as well write off (though admittedly Sony could probably almost write off GT Sport sales in Japan as well); and 360 sales in Europe (which has increasingly been the biggest market for the GT series) softened considerably when Sony stopped actively antagonizing people in the region.
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GT gets little to no acknowledgement down here in Australia, the fanbase really is tiny compared to GTA and more recently, Pokemon Go. I don't know anyone who played GT6, but I knew several people who played GT5. Which I assume was down to the package deals and the extensive advertising. You see, GT6 didn't get a tonne of exposure and I think that contributed to the poor sales somewhat. It was as if Sony didn't care much about the game, and decided to keep the hype down. Sad, because GT5 was a huge success in comparison. No one talks about GT Sport at my school, but you do get some people who talk about F1 2016 - one of my friends play it because he is a big F1 fan. I feel as though Sony really need to generate hype for this game - advertise the heck out of it, get people excited and connect with the fans.
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So is GTS and every other racing games. But that isn't what @Ameer67 previously mentioned so you pretty much missed the point he made.
Since sales is being brought up (whatever reason) in attempt to making a point, why hasn't GT6 made 10 million sales even though it was developed for a console that had a player base of 80 million?
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Technically, Forza is no longer exclusive since MS is releasing it for PC too. Not only that, but they are unifying the player base by allowing cross-platform multiplay. I didn't realize how big of a thing this is until I played FH3 on PC against XB players/Drivatars. Very smart move from MS.
A lot of people moved from PS4 to PC since GT6 was released, so I'm willing to take a bet which game (FM7, GTS/7) they are more likely to get when it releases in 2017.
Depends on what you interpret. Forza is still an exclusive on a Microsoft platform. Its just now, the market isnt just confined on just Xbox One, but on PC also (Windows Store exclusive).Technically, Forza is no longer exclusive since MS is releasing it for PC too. Not only that, but they are unifying the player base by allowing cross-platform multiplay. I didn't realize how big of a thing this is until I played FH3 on PC against XB players/Drivatars. Very smart move from MS.
A lot of people moved from PS4 to PC since GT6 was released, so I'm willing to take a bet which game (FM7, GTS/7) they are more likely to get when it releases in 2017.
Would be interesting to see the market results. PC has a huge player base, but the requirements for running Forza itself are relatively very high, some aspect that may turn off some PC gamers.
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Totally agree on the cross-platform move, really nice idea. You can probably credit Phil Harrison for that one too - he's ex-Sony btw. Sales of Forza, this gen at least, were hampered by slow take-up of the console, but the lack of PS4 GT so far and the cross-platform thing means they'll probably sell a few more Forza 7's next year.
I'm guessing by this you actually mean: you moved from PS4 to PC?
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GT is no more a fun/thrilling racing game. It doesn't mean it's a bad game, it's something different, but now the spirit is so far from the one of GT1.
I'm not surprised by the lack of hype at your school. I assume FH3 is the new GT1 (maybe not in terms of sells unfortunately)
If you can, try it someplace before you buy a wheel - not sure if they have performed any updates, but F6 felt "odd" with a wheel on release, a turn in oversteer that simply wasn't present when playing with a pad. It's a shame, as despite that awful MS 360 wheel, F4 was terrific fun with a wheel.
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It would be hilarious if MS decided to bring FM to PS4, that would be the ultimate insult.
Nope, I know several (as in at least a dozen, probably a lot more if I really start digging in my friends list) people that used to play GT on PS (and were very quick guys too) that moved to PC in absence of a GT title on the PS platform. Many moved to PCARS, AC, rF2, iRacing, etc.I'm guessing by this you actually mean: you moved from PS4 to PC?
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I've read a few comments about the EGX event. You weren't allowed to change anything!
Max McGuireil y a 11 heures
I was really annoyed with GT Sport at EGX. Queued for 30 minutes or so and just before I got on we were told not to change any settings or go into the menu and if we were seen doing so we'd basically get kicked off. All assists were on, including what felt like some sort of steering assist. Pretty pointless and makes me feel that GT is slipping behind.
Max McGuireil y a 11 heures
I was really annoyed with GT Sport at EGX. Queued for 30 minutes or so and just before I got on we were told not to change any settings or go into the menu and if we were seen doing so we'd basically get kicked off. All assists were on, including what felt like some sort of steering assist. Pretty pointless and makes me feel that GT is slipping behind.
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Not good at all, if I’m being kind it may have been to cut down on the time you could spend on it, as it sounds like everyone was also limited to one 2 lap race around Brands Hatch Indy as well.
As has been said at the Copper Box we could play around with the setting as much as we liked and I got a good three hours of seat time as well.
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Bizarre things are happening to this game. Crazy that I bought PS4 in December 2015 to play the BETA and now I will trade in that console buy PS4 Pro while GTS doesn't even have a solid release date. 
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Sony brought 3 types of PS4 and not even a single GT game. That's ridiculous. I wonder how Sony is seeing all that GT epic fight for see the light of the day.
Maybe Kaz need to be scared by all the Sony shareholders in order to make the things happen at PD.
Maybe Kaz need to be scared by all the Sony shareholders in order to make the things happen at PD.
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I wasnt prohibited in any way of changing settings and such.
I tested out all the menu parts (where all those carreer stuff wasnt available), settings etc. The PlayStation Girl only moaned when i filmed the replay of my driving because of the other people who where waiting behind me to take a seat. Though i only played for 4:30 minutes to be able to film my race and not take too much time
But that girl wasnt brave enough to do something about this one boy who drove every 15 meters into the guardrails at the nürburgring for over 20 (!!) minutes
I tested out all the menu parts (where all those carreer stuff wasnt available), settings etc. The PlayStation Girl only moaned when i filmed the replay of my driving because of the other people who where waiting behind me to take a seat. Though i only played for 4:30 minutes to be able to film my race and not take too much time
But that girl wasnt brave enough to do something about this one boy who drove every 15 meters into the guardrails at the nürburgring for over 20 (!!) minutes
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Remind me of people who bought PS3 early to play FF Versus XIII, but then game was cancelled and became FF XV for ps3's successor.Bizarre things are happening to this game. Crazy that I bought PS4 in December 2015 to play the BETA and now I will trade in that console buy PS4 Pro while GTS doesn't even have a solid release date.
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Remind me of people who bought PS3 early to play FF Versus XIII, but then game was cancelled and became FF XV for ps3's successor.
Or the people who bought a PS3 for KH3...but now it looks like Square Enix will release it in 3123 so we're out of luck either way
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No,no. Forza is Forza and GT is GT. I have all games from both Franchises.
Sure I might prefer GT a little bit more but Forza is a great franchise on its own. Everytime I race in a Forza Car , i know I am playing forza, the same with GT. The physic engines are distinctive.
I don't care about which one is more realistic, they are both fun to drive.
What I what to to now is to race on the amazing detailed GT Sport Nordschleife , but the FM6 track is fantastic as well and will help me to endure the waiting.
The GT Nordschleife is just so beautiful, I want to drive it using the Playstation VR so much.
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What @Ameer67 is saying is that Forza is now the only game that is in the traditional GT style of game of huge car lists, car collecting and customization and GT has now gone the so far untested route of focusing on online gameplay and done away with just about everything that made the franchise popular and famous.
