Gran Turismo Toyota Gazoo Racing GT Cup Returns for 2023 Season

[samppa_944]

Same exact situation with me. I really am starting to feel that they intentionally make controller wear the tires out faster to nudge you to spend more money on a wheel setup.

Jumped into the first GT1 slot in NA. Made pole with a laptime .1 faster than my best practice lap. Held the lead from the start for I think a little bit over a 1/2 dozen laps. As my fronts started to wear I knew I couldn't keep the pace so I let 2nd on by. Was still in a decent spot going into the first pit stops after lap 12. Worked back through a few people and some that pitted at the end of 13 and was back in 2nd, then it was just a matter of time as the tires continued to wear and I eventually faded back to 7th by the finish. Annoying to think that if I was on a wheel I'm sure I'd have done better.

No real sense in running again as I can't stop the rate the tires are going to wear. 🤷‍♂️

It depends a lot on your inputs (braking and throttle), I guess controller is tougher due to less turn in and the throttle and brakes are more on/off than on a racing wheel setup. But even so I always struggle with the tire wear on technical tracks like Nurb GP on my Logitech G29, since I am unable to lift and coast enough with all those hairpins, and avoid braking too hard.

But then tracks that are faster and have less hairpins, I am much better on tire saving. Like e.g. I drove 6 hrs in a Le Mans 24 hr race for a league with the GR010, my tire saving was one of the best among like 12-13 teams (multiple lobbies) that all had 3 or 4 drivers, from what I could see from the replays. Imo it is very tough to combat the tire wear due to hard braking, but managing the tire wear with less turn in is doable for me I think 🤔

 

[tankuroded]

(This is also posted on GT website - the Twitter and GT website version are identical text-wise.)

EDIT: Follow-up:

 

[jonoholland29]

Anyone know what the point structures are meant to be?

 

[Slowdan]

My first run in GT3 was very annoying.

Qualified 2nd but somehow hadn't realised it was a grid start, so was very confused when my car was stationary. Turn 1 was a melee, but I somehow came out in 3rd. Lap 2 one of the leaders is taken out by someone who thought they could make the 1st hairpin without braking. Later in the lap I get taken down to 8th at the chicane by someone braking at 50m and using me as a helpful barrier to get round. Climbed back to 3rd by lap 9 and got knocked off immediately after. The guy took two goes to do it too! Even went off track for the second attempt to catch up and nudge me off. That put me back to 10th and I only had time to recover to 8th.

Second try was a much higher scoring lobby, I managed to qualify in 7th. Turn 1 was, of course, a mess. I ended up 8th, but I'm pretty sure half the ones ahead were behind at the start. Got dropped to 10th by being used as a barrier at the chicane again. Made a pass into the hairpin next lap and got turned into while I'm on the inside, knocked into a spin and stuck in the barrier.

So now I'm 15th on lap 4 and pretty much on my own, so I start lapping as hard as I can. Caught up 13 & 14 while they were fighting, one went off, the other let me through. Caught up to a pack on lap 10 just as someone went for a full speed punt, cutting across the squared-off hairpin and taking out three drivers ahead and gifting me 10th. On the last lap I caught up to 8th & 9th who were fighting hard. 7th disconnected just before the final turn for some reason, and the guys ahead had a squabble at the chicane, so I took advantage and passed them both into the final turn to steal 7th.



That was enough frustration and terrible driving for me, and 68 points was the most I've managed so far, so I left it there.

If anyone is interested, highlights and on board are here for run 1 & run 2

 

[watto79]

Anyone know what the point structures are meant to be?

Do you mean this?

 

[GTboyz]

Yes, you can still enter, even if there’s one round left. The next round is on August 6th.

Ah nice, hopefully I won't forget about it again.

 

[Fezzik]

Well this is terrible

Can't be allowed to stand, going to have to do the Grand Valley race at least and sort this out.

 

[GlockPants]

Hey everyone. So, I rarely do these sorts of championships, and I honestly can't remember what happened last time...is it normal that my points earned aren't showing in the "Points Ranking" screen? Everything is just dashes. I know that I did the first round in the AE86, and I just (supposedly) got 4 points from my first go at this round, but still, the "Points Ranking" shows nothing. Any thoughts?

Points should update after the final race of that day is completed. At least, that's how I understand it. There was some issue with the first round point showing up that they patched in an update, but it might not show up until your next rounds points show up?

 

[Geauxgreddy]

2023 TGRC Round 5
Nurburgring GP Sprint
Toyota Gr.4 Supra or GR86
GT1 A+/S

Like everyone in my lobby, I strapped on the Supra for this one. That GR86 was surprisingly difficult to handle and with 25 laps and there was already enough surprises to be had in the Supra. I started off with a solid qualifying, for me, even though looking back at the lap I easily left 3 tenths on the table. But thats ok because I out qualified a world tour driver! ....Who likey bitched his laps. Lol. He flew by at the start of the race never to be seen again.

The race itself was actually pretty good, too. I have to say I like the grid starts. IF you can pull them off cleanly, it really makes for an exciting start to the race. I fell 2 positions back from my qualifying but after a clean 25 laps I was able to pull a p8 in a pretty good grid in the top split. Figured I couldn't beat the points if I went again so banked the 264 and jumped on SharePoint.

 

[AmyUD06]

Points should update after the final race of that day is completed. At least, that's how I understand it. There was some issue with the first round point showing up that they patched in an update, but it might not show up until your next rounds points show up?

Thanks! I just checked and the points from both rounds are there.

 

[CMB350]

I gave yesterday’s race just one try. P8 for 106 points is good enough to satisfy me. I must be weird as I kinda like the Nurb short track. I hate the full GP track, but have generally enjoyed races we’ve had at the short track.

 

[WolfpackS2k]

I must be an odd bird because I thought the 86 drove better than the Supra for this event. In my testing it was also faster and easier on the front tires. Imagine my surprise to see all 15 of my competitors roll up in Supras! I see, on here as well, that the Supra was greatly preferred. Consider me miffed, lol.

I'm in GT2, so it was a 12 lap race against all B rated drivers. Qualifying went well, as on the first lap I banged out a low 1:32, which was a little surprising as it was a personal best. So hoorah! Unfortunately that didn't cut it though, and I ended up 7th on the grid. Didn't start the race out very well either as I forgot the 86 has a very tall first gear so I bogged down at launch and lost 2 places immediately. However the nimbleness of the 86 allowed me to regain those 2 places by the time I exited T5. After that I clawed my way ahead of 2 opponents ahead, one at a time. For the whole race the guy that started in P6 applied pressure to me, never more than 2 seconds behind. In fact it got super close towards the end, and I had to run a defensive line for much of the final 2 laps to protect my position. He even pulled next to me at the final chicane (but I had the inside position so he tucked in behind me). Thankfully he was courteous and didn't try any illegal maneuvers/bumps. I finished in 5th, up 2 spots from where I started.

Given that I drove the race mistake free and wasn't a casualty of anyone else's errors, I didn't tempt fate with any additional attempts.

 

[jonoholland29]

Do you mean this?
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No I don’t. I want the points for finishing position.

But it looks like it’s some very complicated logic. Looking at other people’s screen shots and videos others have got 81 points where I got 18 for the same finish so no idea how they judge it

 

[Famine]

No I don’t. I want the points for finishing position.

But it looks like it’s some very complicated logic. Looking at other people’s screen shots and videos others have got 81 points where I got 18 for the same finish so no idea how they judge it

It's not particularly complicated. The points on offer is a proportion of the average Driver Rating score of all players starting the race.

 

[SPL170db]

Grand Valley should be interesting. I'm frying RS front tires in 8 laps. I'm guessing this is going to be a 2 stopper to last 30 laps.




EDIT: just ran a rather sloppy race practice and this is gonna be a rather long one, took me over 56 minutes. I'm sure many better drivers than me will be able to run a 2 stopper with RS x 2 + RM.

Unfortunately the way I burn through front tires it looks like my race strat is going to be from the start 11 laps RM > 11 laps RM + fill up fuel > 8 laps RS

At least this would be the plan with the Supra which it looks like most people are setting their fast practice times in. A handful at the top are in the Mazda, looks like no one in the BRZ. I'm wondering if either of the non-Toyota's would make a better choice for the race from a tire and fuel management perspective? 🤔

 

[jonoholland29]

It's not particularly complicated. The points on offer is a proportion of the average Driver Rating score of all players starting the race.

Ah ok - and judging by the GT7 tweet earlier this could explain the particularly stingey/generous points that were issued

 

[bduddy]

(This is also posted on GT website - the Twitter and GT website version are identical text-wise.)

EDIT: Follow-up:

Is Hizal actually a PD employee at this point, or what?

 

[RobertHammer]

Is Hizal actually a PD employee at this point, or what?

yes he is if you didn't know that

 

[Nakano219]

At least this would be the plan with the Supra which it looks like most people are setting their fast practice times in. A handful at the top are in the Mazda, looks like no one in the BRZ. I'm wondering if either of the non-Toyota's would make a better choice for the race from a tire and fuel management perspective? 🤔

The BRZ is the best car on tyres in Gr.3. It's just a bad fit at Grand Valley because GV's infield is incredibly difficult to overtake in, and it's never going to get past a Supra on the straight, so using it is just asking to be tucked up in traffic wasting its tyre advantage the whole race.

 

[zjn]

It's not particularly complicated. The points on offer is a proportion of the average Driver Rating score of all players starting the race.

This explains why I had two P4 rewarded differently.
One being Lemans I was guessing about events with different weights

 

[SPL170db]

Well, I have a new strategy for the Grand Valley race I think. Just did another race sim and I'm much quicker over race distance in the Mazda. I was able to run RM x 10 > RS x 10 (no refuel, about 1/2 empty tank) > RS x 10 (fill tank 1/2-way).

Having the RS with only 1/2 a tank of fuel helps them last long enough. I might go back and try practicing this strategy on the Supra and see if I start on RM how will the RS work with only 1/2-tank of fuel.

 

[Fezzik]

Well, I have a new strategy for the Grand Valley race I think. Just did another race sim and I'm much quicker over race distance in the Mazda. I was able to run RM x 10 > RS x 10 (no refuel, about 1/2 empty tank) > RS x 10 (fill tank 1/2-way).

Having the RS with only 1/2 a tank of fuel helps them last long enough. I might go back and try practicing this strategy on the Supra and see if I start on RM how will the RS work with only 1/2-tank of fuel.

Even for the half distance GT2, I'm finding the Mazda the best option in practice. Preserves the softs a bit longer than the Supra, faster than the BRZ.

Not sure about the proper racee though. It can just about hold off the Supras but it would be defensive driving for 15 laps, not much fun.

 

[zjn]

I don't understand if it is mandatory pit. I'd say no, but for gt1 tyres will not least, while for gt2 and 3 medium can make it the whole race

 

[shio]

I don't understand if it is mandatory pit. I'd say no, but for gt1 tyres will not least, while for gt2 and 3 medium can make it the whole race

You have to take both mediums and softs, so mandatory pit.

 

[Nakano219]

Had a early test of all three cars today (for GT2 so just the 15 laps).

This is definitely a bogey track for the BRZ. Lots of slow speed corners and resulting acceleration in lower gears, which are its big weaknesses, it needs sweepers where it can stay in higher gears and put its class-leading aero to use. Very nice through the tricky T3-5 section though.

I was personally slightly faster in the RX-V than I was in the Supra over 15 laps, partly because it's better on its tyres and partly because I don't get on especially well with the Supra. But I'm still not convinced I'll go for it on raceday, because I don't think the Mazda has the grunt to cleanly overtake the Toyota on this track if the Toyota driver defends into T2.

 

[zjn]

Is there any way to simulate it with custom races? I tried but AI stays racing hard

 

[bduddy]

Is there any way to simulate it with custom races? I tried but AI stays racing hard

No, they always use the same tires. You can practice your own strategy, though.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

It's the exact same race settings as the final round of Nations Cup a few months ago. Save yourself time and just use Mistah's strategy guide here. Supra fast on straights and over 1 lap but kills tyres. Mazda better in the corners and better tyre life. If you use the Supra make sure you qualify in front and go aggressive. If you use the Mazda just be patient, draft the Supra on the straight and go for undercut and hope they don't catch you back near the end. Forget the BRZ it's just too slow and not even as good as the Mazda on its tyres.



In fact I don't know why both Mazda and Subaru are in this race when it's the Toyota Cup. Would be more interesting to have it be GR Supra/FT1/Castrol Supra with circuit specific BOP. Or Castrol Supra one make. Or add the GR86 GT300 and have a twin race with the BRZ GT300.

 

[Fezzik]

In fact I don't know why both Mazda and Subaru are in this race when it's the Toyota Cup

A sort-of Super Taikyu event, plus they have a manufacturing partnership with Mazda.

 

[RACECAR]

In fact I don't know why both Mazda and Subaru are in this race when it's the Toyota Cup. Would be more interesting to have it be GR Supra/FT1/Castrol Supra with circuit specific BOP. Or Castrol Supra one make. Or add the GR86 GT300 and have a twin race with the BRZ GT300.

I'm guessing just a tiny bit of corporate nudging there (Toyota owning Fuji Heavy Industries which means they own Subaru by Proxy and being one of the three owners of Mazda Motor Corporation).