GT4 WRS Week 11: "WRS Team Event, Part 1"

[MR8]

Damn, do I have beg for a clean lap?? I haven't touched that many walls since high school!

T1: 24.680
T2: 1'06.045

 

[Alpine3]

*cough* care to share? I'm wondering if I'm doing this right.

For the left hairpin, brake for it a split second after u exit the shadow you see at the entrance for it. If you brake then you should be able to hug the inside (stay off the rumble strip on the inside). For the next right, get to the outside, get off the throttle and turn in. The car may start to drift a little bit but that's okay. You do not need to brake here. Get right back on the throttle just before or at the apex and this should bring you to the far outside for the next right turn. Again i use the shadow as my braking point. Once you reach the end of the shadow or just a tiny bit after, brake to about 70km/h. Should be slow enough to clip the inside rumble strip. You should already be flooring the throttle before this corner apex.

 

[darkwind]

Damn, do I have beg for a clean lap?? I haven't touched that many walls since high school!

T1: 24.680
T2: 1'06.045

I think at one point or another we've all been asking for a clean lap. I keep having to restart my sessions because I can do lap 1 clean, afterwards... whew... it's horrible. If there was damage, the course would look like a warzone.

 

[kennythebomb]

*Smacks TLR* There. Now quit being a girl and go race!
Wait, no. Not even Natalya is that bad!

oh snap!

 

[Jump_Ace]

This weeks splits after about 20 laps:

T1 - 25.570
T2 - 1:07.015

And I really *DISLIKE* this track, this and the complex string in GT3 were my achillies' heels. But no time like the present to get better and the WRS will definately motivate me to do better at this track.

jump_ace

 

[MinorShunt]

*cough* care to share? I'm wondering if I'm doing this right.

Hell, I don' t know if I'm doing it right either! But here's what got some time for me tonite.
Forget about elbow locks with the DFP Koly. On the downhill LH hairpin, spin the wheel to full lock. Not 800 degrees, the full monty. Take it in 2nd. Exit to left side, shift up to 3rd down the hill, lift for RH, maybe slight brake but early apex. Get left fast! Let car settle for a second, don't brake(maybe just very slight to set car), don't shift, but lift for late apex RH into tunnel and balance on the throttle to drift all the way to left wall. hard on gas to 4th, and down the tunnel we go.

 

[Kolyana]

@Alpine ... thanks you

@Standard ... ahhahahahahha .. SNAP! indeed.

@MS ... okay ... Ihave been doing it in second (except when I forget what gear I'm in ), but I have this habit of not letting go of the wheel with both hands ... can we say "broken elbows"? I'm going to try 'spinning it' like you suggested. Not sure why I haven't thought about doing that ... I'm too blond for my own good sometimes (and that's without a blond hair on my body.*)

Regarding that last right into the tunnel ... you're taking this in third? I have been heading to the outside of the track here, using the extra width provided, tapping the brake, dropping into second and lining up on the late apex before gunning her in ... I may be doing this wrong, me thinks.


*No, the white ones do not count, you heathen hell spawn!

 

[MinorShunt]

Regarding that last right into the tunnel ... you're taking this in third? I have been heading to the outside of the track here, using the extra width provided, tapping the brake, dropping into second and lining up on the late apex before gunning her in ... I may be doing this wrong, me thinks.

It's not as hard as it seems at first, and yeah you do carry more speed down the tunnel by staying in 3rd. Alpine's comments were good also. Sounds like same technique, he's just better at describing it. (and doing it I suspect!)

 

[bleurabbit7]

I would have been down sooner, but my cat was laying on the second step. As I try to get her to go down, she goes ONE.......STEP..........AT..........A...........TIME. MOVE YOU DAMN CAT so I can close the attic.

Well all I have to do is stick my tongue out to break 25 and 106 at both sectors.
T1 0:25.040
T2 1:07.054
T3 Almost hit my goal

I think I'm starting to suffer from twisted elbow syndrome. That left hairpin is hurting me. I can't spin the wheel fast enough to straighten out. Very close to wall contact.

 

[Jump_Ace]

This track and I have never seen eye to eye and tonite is no different. I am getting my @$$ haded to me on a platinum platter! ARGH!!! Now I only wonder who would want to be on my team....lol.

jump_ace

P.S. Can't get 'broken elbows' from a DS2! BWA HA HA HA!!!

 

[TeamLosiRacer]

Alright. So I relaxed Regrouped deep breathes. I simply cleared my mind of all of the BS that happened at work today. I just ran laps and let my talent and skill guide me. It was refreshing and fun once again.

so here are my new sectors:

T1: 0'24.992
T2: 1.05.909

Not the fastest sectors around but there is ground for improval. I think this week I can be competative.

 

[kennythebomb]

I just knocked off .4, mostly at the end although I found some new lines.

 

[WSSSUP]

Alright. So I relaxed Regrouped deep breathes. I simply cleared my mind of all of the BS that happened at work today. I just ran laps and let my talent and skill guide me. It was refreshing and fun once again.

so here are my new sectors:

T1: 0'24.992
T2: 1.05.909

Not the fastest sectors around but there is ground for improval. I think this week I can be competative.

Those sectors are bloody quick in my book... Nice T2 👍

 

[holl01]

hey,
in my free time today, i played a bit of GC cup over on gtdb, its a great combo.
but havent touched this one since wednesday morning, is there any chance icemanshooter that u could post r settings, seing as how u hav the current best splits.

i would post mine straight away if i was infront....

 

[Randymcchickenf]

My new splits:

T1 - 24.665
T2 - 1.06.289 - slower T2 than previous runs, but faster T3 👍

Still plenty of of time to take off of my second sector though, aiming at a 1.05.7XX by the end of the week.
I have no idea how 24.4 is possible at T1, as far as i could see my first sector was perfect, certainly the best ive seen in my times.

 

[Casio]

I've been running 4/4 and fiding it too heavy on braking, i'll try 1/2 later, too

Hmmm, I'm running 3/13....I might have to try that light braking thing...lol

I've only done 5 laps on this thing, because I've had no time. My first two laps I could get NO turn-in. So I just chucked heaps of brake on the back and cut my time by 4 seconds.

Also, how much of an advantage is in the ride height? I've left all my settings stock apart from gears and brakes. I don't have access to my PS2 right now, but I find the car quite well suited to my driving style at the moment. Will the ride height help? Or will it just make the car less stable with my aparently extreme rear brake bias?

 

[Small_Fryz]

leaderboard updated

 

[VEXD]

For the left hand hairpin (its called the monaco hairpin isnt it?) you should approach from the right hand side of the track.
Forget spinning the wheel Koly, just turn the car in, and bounce the throttle pedal.
It will get round just as fast, and you wont be arsing about trying to correct an oversteer, or sliding into walls.
Saves on the life of your DFP too.
After the hairpin, you should aim to get two wheels over the red and white on the right, and be into 3rd gear by then too.
As you round that corner, you will see a great big Pirelli sign.
Aim for the ll's on that sign in a straight line, and before you hit the wall (always preferable), change back to 2nd, turn hard right, and floor it for a good exit into the tunnel.

Btw, im using a tranny trick, and auto 4 or 5 setup, so the gears ive mentioned above may not correspond to what you are doing.

For the quickest way to the top of the hill...

Got to a standard gear setup (untouched) change auto to far right (25 i think) then change final to far right (5.500 i think) then change auto to 4 i think (it may be 5, cant remember) then lengthen 1st as far as it will go (thats moving it to the right) then lengthen 2nd as far as it will go, then lengthen 3rd till its almost as far as it will go, then bring 4th towards it (thats to the left this time) and then balance 4th, 5th and 6th so they appear like this on the graph: / / /

This should give you a car that is milliseconds off topping out coming down the slope from the tunnel, and is pretty fast through the streets by using 2nd and 3rd to turn the car ON power.

Good luck.

No time improvement from me yet, as i havent driven since my first session.

I hope that helps the hairpin takers.

btw i use the "drive out to the right at the top of the hill, and take a late apex" school of motoring technique.

 

[Rob23]

Just wanted to post some splits real quick...havent had much time to run this yet,but here goes:

T1= 26.335
T2= 1'10.692

Still gotta do some tweaking,after I get this stock setup down,only changed the brake bal, the Gear ratio for this run.

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

i still say a 23.9xx is bull shiet~ haha but whatever...

im gonna do a 30 min session b4 i goto sleep
brb~

 

[TimBrad]

What the heck did I do now?

There must be something about the way I write ... but I try and generalize, I typically include myself in on the fold, and yet I still manage to offend someone with the most unoffensive of remarks.

I speak mainly for the "newbies" who know NOTHING of setups (and there are a few), who can't "set up the car to what suits them and then run with it" because they - and here's the kicker - DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SETTING UP A CAR.

I speak also for the people who don't know the track, or they don't know the car, and - typically - they don't know BOTH. To setup a car - when you don't know squat about setting up anything - and then run on a track you've never seen before, doesn't tell anyone anything aboutt he setup changes you are making.

My advice was simply to get used to the car and track first ... wait until you're running as fast as you can ... because only then can you possibly know if something you're altering in your car's setup is having a good or negative affect.

Is this the best way? HELL NO ... but not all of us know our camber angles from our spring rates, not all of us can jump onto a strange track and run our best lap within 6 circuits and then know instinctively what to alter.

I felt that my advice - to the outright newbie - was accurate and fair. I don't feel like I singled anyone out or even said anything to be taken poorly.

/agree there made total sense to me when you told me to do that as i was able to ween myself into it building up the power as i go, i'm no great/good racer, i'm no tuner, and i'm ****ing VERY grateful for all the help nat has given me and anyone who offers me any advice, i feel grateful for and am glad that ppl will take the time out to help me. I'm sad that some ppl take what ppl say wrong out here, sure it will ALWAYS happen, but i for one, am so thankful for the "ppl who will help the noobs" cause compared to you guys, i am one and i will do whatever i can to learn & improve! (Short of using BOTH my hands on my DS2, thats just silly...)

 

[Rob23]

/agree there made total sense to me when you told me to do that as i was able to ween myself into it building up the power as i go, i'm no great/good racer, i'm no tuner, and i'm ****ing VERY grateful for all the help nat has given me and anyone who offers me any advice, i feel grateful for and am glad that ppl will take the time out to help me. I'm sad that some ppl take what ppl say wrong out here, sure it will ALWAYS happen, but i for one, am so thankful for the "ppl who will help the noobs" cause compared to you guys, i am one and i will do whatever i can to learn & improve! (Short of using BOTH my hands on my DS2, thats just silly...)

Well said, Tim Brad 👍
Im with you there!

 

[TimBrad]

*whips head around* get out of my bed rob!!

 

[Small_Fryz]

figured out some lines

24.6xx / 1'05.1xx Dirty so dont add to leaderboard.

But yeah not even 200km on the clock so im hoping for a top 5 this week 👍

 

[Rob23]

*whips head around* get out of my bed rob!!

I just meant that its very easy to take people the wrong way,or take their words personally on here, when you are not talking to a person "face to face".

Its just the nature of this sort of thing..I agree with you 100%, and it does help us Noobs out tremendously when people on here,who have been here for a while,take the time to help us out.


alright...Im leaving now....thats all I had to say

 

[TimBrad]

hehe, awww, i know whatcha mean! /hug rob

 

[CFM]

CFM - could you let me know what division I am in please sir, thanks.

Div.2, I sent you a PM with all the details 3 days ago. Have fun.👍

 

[darkwind]

Also, how much of an advantage is in the ride height? I've left all my settings stock apart from gears and brakes. I don't have access to my PS2 right now, but I find the car quite well suited to my driving style at the moment. Will the ride height help? Or will it just make the car less stable with my aparently extreme rear brake bias?

Actually, lowering ride height improves handling because it provides a lower center of gravity for the car, and it creates a natural downforce by forcing more air to flow over the car.

I just tested one of my setups with your brake setup, the car runs great, but there was a lack of ability to turn. The Brake Balance Controller doesn't determine which part of the car with brake first, it determines how much brake is applied to that specific area of the car. Like with your brake setup, 3/13, the rear brake is recieving 10 more brake than the front is, so the back brakes will slow the back tires first, which results in understeer. If the setup were opposite, 13/3, the front tires would get the 10 more brake and there would be a sense of oversteer. Adjusting the Brake balance won't make you stop faster, it just determines which end of the car gets more force applied when braking.

Braking is determined by how much force is needed for the brake to overtake the speed of the tire. So if you've got a tire with a lot of grip on the road, for example super-soft tires, then your car would stop sooner than a car with super-hard tires.

Hope that explains it for you.

EDIT: If you have the F1 car, raise the ride height to it's max and see the difference in handling.

 

[ZeratulSG]

All right I'm gonna go try this wide approach to Massenet you're all talking about, though if it IS faster then that bothers me, since the tight line in Massenet is the "correct" racing line (watch RL racing at this track), so that means in order to be fast in the WRS I have to learn to drive tracks "incorrectly"

Managed a faster T3 time by .4, but slightly slower T2, so something's gotta give. I'm still undecided about gearing, default settings vs. auto 4 (or thereabouts), the accerelation benefit is marginal with shorter gears and you have to shift more...but the car turns better at higher revs...what is everyone else using?

I agree with Koly about tuning, but it is subjective. I find default settings provide good insight into the car's natural behavior, allowing me to learn where the car falls short for my driving style and the track in question, so fine-tuning can ensue. Of course, to each his own.

I'm busy running this week's WRS and the JGTC pre-season qualifier at the same time, so when I get frustrated with one I just move to the other. Works pretty well since both cars are effectively GT300 cars. Anyway, off to run some more laps, I'll post new times when they get better

 

[darkwind]

I'm still undecided about gearing, default settings vs. auto 4 (or thereabouts), the accerelation benefit is marginal with shorter gears and you have to shift more...but the car turns better at higher revs...what is everyone else using?

I'm using auto 5 or auto 6, depends on which setup I'm using. If I get some more time, I'm going to work on the finer tuning of the individual gears. So far, since the car runs primarily in gears 2, 3, and 4 I might shorten first and make 4th longer so it'll take less time to get into 2nd and I'll stay in 4th longer. So far my highest speed was about 135MPH in 6th through the tunnel. And the car was close to topping out then so maybe messing with the individual gears would be a bad idea unless you have auto at least 7 or higher.