GT4 WRS Week 39 : "My first, my last, my everything"

[shockwaveracing]

Actually I'm much faster there when I miss the apex. Instead I brake too late to almost reach the grass on the outside, point the car towards the exit as soon as possible and hit the gas. I found out that I lose much more time if I have to coast around the apex and stay easy on the throttle.

really?

i find if you are hauling ass all the way til the rumble strip narrows on you and you jump on the brakes just before the then, HARD, you can pull it up right near the apex, then jump straight on the gas again, balancing any oversteer that may occur you can get through wicked quick, i have seen 28.121 through T1 so far, but ballsed up the lap...

anywayz some new splits

T1: 28.278 (seen 28.1 a couple of times)
T2: 1'00.647 (have seen 1'00.4)

lost about 0.2 in the final sector, hit the last corner a bit slow, hopefully i can find another half second or so and then i will be very happy with my lap times this week...

 

[SHigSpeed]

LSD: No LSD installed, so looks like I was wrong before about it being better with it installed, doesn't seem to make too much diff from what I can see.
jump_ace

Hah! Doesn't seem to make too much diff... No pun intended right?

BTW, I haven't driven at all yet, just goofed around picking cars. I have a couple of '00s, a '01, '00 Type-V, and a '01 Type-V low miler.

I think I'll race my white '00, but I have a pretty baby blue '00 that's screaming for a beating! :^)

Anyway, now that I've completed my NFS MW career mode, I'll jump in maybe tonight.

-SHig

 

[SimRaceDriver]

Well, since I've tried every setting which has been previously posted, with Jump_Ace's the only one that really comes close to my driving style, along iwtith attempting to tune this P.O.S. myself, nothing I do helps me get this FRICKING cars ass-end from NOT sliding all over this race track!

I can barely pull a sub 30 second T1 and know for a FACT that I'm losing some serious time between T1 & T2 cuz this car want's to go 'drifting' every time I let of the gas...even trying to 'feather' the gas has no affect!

(This is the main reason why I HATE GT MODE..it puts too much emphasis on 'tuning ability' and not on 'driving ability' and that's an unfair advantage to those who don't know diddy about tuning and don't have the time available to go on a tune-fest just to get a fast time in, but hey, that's just MHO!)

So, unless I pull some crazy ass-settings out of my arse, I'm seriously considering sitting this one out...it's just getting too frustrating having to stop the game mid-lap and start tinkering w/settings because you can't even get 1 lap in before a hotlap becomes a drifting lap!

If anyone would like to offer some advice, I'd be more then happy to video-tape a lap and let you analyize how I 'might' be able to tame this beast!

Heck...I have more fun driving the Yellowbird, with over 400bhp on this track han this little S2000 putting out less then 300bhp!

 

[DRIVEN -USA-]

Not my race this week I can see, just about everyone has me beat by about 2 seconds at T2 and can't get it any faster. Have 1 good time that i can't beat so prob. will be my time to turn in. Peeps with the DFP will have a big advantage this week as the Ds2 seems to cause to much sliding around.

 

[SHigSpeed]

(This is the main reason why I HATE GT MODE..it puts too much emphasis on 'tuning ability' and not on 'driving ability' and that's an unfair advantage to those who don't know diddy about tuning and don't have the time available to go on a tune-fest just to get a fast time in, but hey, that's just MHO!)

So, unless I pull some crazy ass-settings out of my arse, I'm seriously considering sitting this one out...it's just getting too frustrating having to stop the game mid-lap and start tinkering w/settings because you can't even get 1 lap in before a hotlap becomes a drifting lap!

If anyone would like to offer some advice, I'd be more then happy to video-tape a lap and let you analyize how I 'might' be able to tame this beast!

Heck...I have more fun driving the Yellowbird, with over 400bhp on this track han this little S2000 putting out less then 300bhp!

I can't say it enough... I LOVE GT mode. Because I CAN tune out over/understeer. If you're dealing with a lot of lift throttle oversteer, try increasing the number on the front bar and reducing rear bar, increase rear spring stiffness (only in GT, backwards from real). Also, increase stiffness overall in the springs and go lower. Softer and higher cause more body lean from weight transfer which can exacerbate oversteer.

Give it a try and see what happens.

-Scott

p.s. Awesome time and win at Paris man!

 

[TheWizard]

Looks like I am going to have to put some more effort into this race, as everybody seems to be getting into the 1'00.xxx at T2.

I will race some more today.

The Wizard.

 

[SimRaceDriver]

I can't say it enough... I LOVE GT mode. Because I CAN tune out over/understeer. If you're dealing with a lot of lift throttle oversteer, try increasing the number on the front bar and reducing rear bar, increase rear spring stiffness (only in GT, backwards from real). Also, increase stiffness overall in the springs and go lower. Softer and higher cause more body lean from weight transfer which can exacerbate oversteer.

Give it a try and see what happens.

-Scott

p.s. Awesome time and win at Paris man!

Thanks for the advice Scott...👍
I'll give this a go and see how things progress!
For clarification though, when you say 'try increasing the number on the front bar....."....you are referring to the 'stablizers' right? If so, just wanted to make sure we're on the same page!


Cheers!

PS: Thanks for the compliment about last weeks race!

 

[kart.no.38]

(This is the main reason why I HATE GT MODE..it puts too much emphasis on 'tuning ability' and not on 'driving ability' and that's an unfair advantage to those who don't know diddy about tuning and don't have the time available to go on a tune-fest just to get a fast time in, but hey, that's just MHO!)

Get rid of the rear camber COMPLETELY. Level the cars ride height, turn up the Initial LSD, turn down the toe in/out on the rear/front, make the brake bias the same, turn up the rear stabiliser, stiffen the rebound dampers.

 

[SimRaceDriver]

Thanks for the advice Scott...👍
I'll give this a go and see how things progress!
For clarification though, when you say 'try increasing the number on the front bar....."....you are referring to the 'stablizers' right? If so, just wanted to make sure we're on the same page!


Cheers!

PS: Thanks for the compliment about last weeks race!

Well, after 40+ minutes of:

* Run a lap, tweak settings
* Run another lap, tweak settings more
* Run yet another lap, tweak settings even more
* Repeat about 15 more times...

I'm finally at a point to where:
I'm comtempt with my lap time so far... an uninspiring
T1 = 29:878
&
T2 = 1'03:681

That I'm now calling it quits! I'm about this far (place thumb and first finger about as close together that would allow a piece of paper to just barely fit inbetween them) from either throwing the PS2 and/or GT4 and/or both of them out the window...it's either that or taking my time machine and going back to Feb. 05' and never buying this game!!
()

To everyone else...more power to you! 👍
To everyone in Div 3...I'll wave at you from last place come next week!

Cheers!!

 

[Sjaak]

Honda spoon 2000 V '00

T1 28.598
T2 1'01.378

I'm terrible with tuning so keep those settings coming.👍

 

[Jump_Ace]

Well guess what guys? I just might be getting a DFP wheel! I came into work today and I saw these really great folding desks, they are pretty small and the DFP can go right on top! Then it can fold away in my room pretty nicely I think, I"m gonna set it up tonight when I get home and I'll let ya know how its gonna pan out. Oh, and I'll get to the leaderboard right after too.

jump_ace

 

[DRIVEN -USA-]

Finally got the lap i wanted (clean that is). Only a tenth or two left on the track. Found that turning off the traction control does help greatly (had it set to "1") Found about a second a lap with it off, most notably coming out of the turns.

T1- 28.801
T2- 1'02.008

 

[SimRaceDriver]

went back and got rid of the 99' S2000 and picked up a 01' Type V to see if it would make a 'huge' difference...and as I had expected, it didn't....but taking the additional advice from Kart.no.38 (thanks by the way! 👍) I was able to ever-so-slightly lower my times.

T1: 29:010
T2: 1'02:815
(Having to let off the gas more then I'd like between T1 & T2 is the reason why I'm no where near the 1min. mark I'm sure!)

So, for now, I'm in a slightly better mood!

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Well, that was until I just saw the T2 time from Driven -USA-...
Now all I really wanna do is just go sit in the corner and cry!...

 

[SimonC]

New time. (Auto Gears, DS2)

T1: 0'28.427
T2: 1'00.953

I would be really happy with that time, but I bottled it on the last corner and braked too much. It's still my best overall time by about half a second and I only lost about .200, so I'm happy.

Don't know if I'll have any more attempts though, maybe a little tinkering or try manual gears for a change.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Here's the link to the manufacturer's website to that cool desk I got from work:

http://www.studiorta.com/catalog/details.cfm?catalog_id=353

It has a retail price of $99, but we got ours from Office Depot for $59.99!!! Add in the price of the wheel brand new shipped from this list here:

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=2266931/fd=1

Which comes out to be $90 for the wheel, plus $60 for the desk totaling $150, not too bad considering the price for the wheel alone was $150 initially.

Sorry for the off topic, just had to spread the news.

jump_ace

 

[T13R]

Best I could come up with up to now in a S2000 '00 is a

28.5 // 1'01.4

Still not happy with my settings although I've stabilized the car a little. But maybe I'm the one who is unstable...

 

[Tyre King]

Well guys

Haven't touched it for the last day or so, got the 'flu'

Amazin times out there 'specially from the D2'ers 👍 Rob, cracking splits man!

Might give it a couple of laps/hours over the weekend

O/T

Wish Jordon would hurry up and get the upgrades finished, sick of looking at the screen and seeing that bleeding spyware/virus warnin advert!

But I know he's been at it for a couple of evenings till 3am, so far, so i'll try to be patient

Later dudes

Neil

 

[SHigSpeed]

Get rid of the rear camber COMPLETELY. Level the cars ride height, turn up the Initial LSD, turn down the toe in/out on the rear/front, make the brake bias the same, turn up the rear stabiliser, stiffen the rebound dampers.

Hey Kart,

So, you are saying stiffen (bigger number) the REAR stabiliser to reduce drop throttle oversteer? And zero the camber? In real life to increase oversteer you'd soften the rear bar, and I assumed that GT4 worked the same (even though the springs are reversed)...

I can see increasing the initial LSD to reduce throttle on oversteer, but I've always zeroed rear camber to INCREASE oversteer (that of go big negative, but that reduces traction under drive - RWD of course...)

And when you say turn down the toe, do you mean zero, or go negative? And on rebound dampers, evenly on F:R, or bias one end?

Thanks!

-SHig

 

[MisterWeary]

Random Question #6249

When I watch my replay I usually hit the square button (or brake) twice to get the splits to display while I watch it. I noticed that for my current best lap, when it finishes the small lap counter in the centre of the screen is 0.001 seconds slower than the big number that displays (which is the same as the lap time listed in the Replay Centre). I know it's no big deal but I remember a few months back in the Citta di Aria race, Jerome was checking one of my laps and the time he claimed my lap was...was different to what I thought it was (it wasn't my final lap so I didn't pursue it at the time)

Any ideas why this is?

 

[GTrackd02]

New splits.... gettin better... but I'm in div 3 so we all know im a slo-poke

T-1 28.686
T-2 1'02.180
The carStill has a ton more in it, but I may not

 

[Jump_Ace]

Random Question #6249

When I watch my replay I usually hit the square button (or brake) twice to get the splits to display while I watch it. I noticed that for my current best lap, when it finishes the small lap counter in the centre of the screen is 0.001 seconds slower than the big number that displays (which is the same as the lap time listed in the Replay Centre). I know it's no big deal but I remember a few months back in the Citta di Aria race, Jerome was checking one of my laps and the time he claimed my lap was...was different to what I thought it was (it wasn't my final lap so I didn't pursue it at the time)

Any ideas why this is?

That is strange, mine have always lined up to the thousandth. I remember looking at your replay at Aria, although I don't recall how I did it because until I 'found' my copy of GT4PAL I couldn't get it to work since, so I may have goofed there on that one, sorry. As for why its slower, no clue.....

jump_ace

 

[T13R]

Update:

Honda S2000 '01 ( not '00 as I said before )
28.607 // 1'01.043 ( on 279 hp doh! )

My setup is now a mix of my previous setup and Jerome's, and it's exactly how I want the car to handle. It kind of gives the car a GT3 feel. Now I just want to clean up my first sector a little since I had much better, take another couple of tenths in middle, and hopefully another tenth in last.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Update:

Honda S2000 '01 ( not '00 as I said before )
28.607 // 1'01.043 ( on 279 hp doh! )

My setup is now a mix of my previous setup and Jerome's, and it's exactly how I want the car to handle. It kind of gives the car a GT3 feel. Now I just want to clean up my first sector a little since I had much better, take another couple of tenths in middle, and hopefully another tenth in last.

Alright, I'm glad to hear my settings are usable!

Well I bought my Driving Force Pro this evening, that folding desk is just totally perfect, its not adjustable, but it is oh so comfy no matter what chair I sit in in front of it. I think (and hope) it will be just fine for the wheel. I rearranged some things in my room to make a spot for it to fold up and store. So hopefully next week I can give it a whirl, some things have come up this weekend so I'll prolly have to submit my time unless a miracle happens monday

I'll definately be posting some pics of my so-called cockpit next week too!

LB Updated, and the walls are closing in on me...aahhhh!!!!!

And if I have your car wrong feel free to post it or whatever, some of you guys I just put in a random car, or if the splits is all you care about...cool w/me!

jump_ace

 

[KLR142]

Honda spoon 2000 V '00

T1 28.598
T2 1'01.378

I'm terrible with tuning so keep those settings coming.👍

Spoon?

Here's some more settings for you guys to play with...

Original Suspension
13/12 springs
85/85 ride height
6/6 dampers
2.5/1.0 camber
zero toe changes
5/7 sways

braking 1/1 for now, haven't played with it though

LSD 5/12/5

If you want to get rid of more oversteer, if you can't figure it out with the suspension tuning, bump up the settings on the LSD, it helps a bit.


But remember... THIS IS A decently powered car, with N TIRES! And, it's a sports car, a highly refined, pinpoint one. It's going to oversteer. Period. If we were doing the same thing in Arcade mode, (reduced weight, increased power, and N tires), it'd be just the same. Sure you can change it a bit, but you can't change the fact that it has 285hp, N tires, and a balanced chassis. It's not GT Mode and settings that're the main holder backer, it's the patience to drive the way these tires require you to drive. Key is balancing that little grip that you do have... Slower in than you would normally think to do of course, and blah blah yeah.

 

[MisterWeary]

New splits:

T1: 0'28.433
T2: 1'00.924

I know I lost 0.15 in the finish though which is a bummer and there is maybe 0.1 from T1 - T2. If I find another 0.1 before the end, I'll be pleased as punch 👍

 

[KLR142]

I keep forgetting to ask... There's one portion of the track, that's of questionable legality for me. It's in between the two left handers before the uphill to T2, the section to the right. There's a small area that's LIKE a rumble, but isn't rumble colored, and then it goes to dirt(ish) stuff, farther to the right of that. I'll have to take a picture if I get to play tomorrow, so you know what I'm talking about.

And then, for the fast peoples, how do you take that long left after the tunnel after T2?! It's quite the tricky one, that.

 

[MisterWeary]

Groovy new get up for GTPlanet

 

[Casio]

Some laughable splits and settings after 30 minutes work.

Settings:
(Original Suspension)
Spring Rate - 7.9/7.5
Ride Height - 77-73
Damper - 8/6
Camber - 0.9/0.0
Toe - 0/0
Stabiliser - 4/5

Gearing:
Auto 14 (I'm not using 6th)

No LSD or Brake Balance or Ballast or any of that stuff. I seem to go a completely different way setting up a car then everybody else, guess that's why I've got these shocking splits then!

Splits:
T1 - 28.635
T2 - 1'01.525

 

[ROB 256R]

Haven't been able to leave this combo alone. Managed some slightly better splits (done with the car running at 281hp on the graph. i only realised i was down on power after i'd done the lap should be able to go faster with the oil changed)

T1 - 0'28.345
T2 - 1'00.766

*Edit* Done for this week. Time submitted.

 

[Tyre King]

Mite get to do a couple of laps today, still not feeling great, so could do them just to keep my hand in!

Neil