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i love your attitude XD
yeah it will certainly get better, i hope shuffle and gifting comes back too... and the GT5 photomode locations
GT6 Sales Discussion
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i love your attitude XD
yeah it will certainly get better, i hope shuffle and gifting comes back too... and the GT5 photomode locations
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- WrecklessAbandon
Well let's see, you release a major title a few weeks AFTER the new system, and we have to choose between using a PS4 or playing a new game on the old system....duh. If GT6 were destined for PS3(which I agree) it should have been a year sooner.
Think about the casuals, is someone really going to be buying PS3 games if they own a PS4? Without being a diehard GT fan? I doubt it.
I like a lot they did with GT6, the AI isn't part of it, they couldn't be much worse imo.
Think about the casuals, is someone really going to be buying PS3 games if they own a PS4? Without being a diehard GT fan? I doubt it.
If it were clear, more people would agree with you.
I like a lot they did with GT6, the AI isn't part of it, they couldn't be much worse imo.
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- Johnnypenso
Misrepresentation then. When someone is aware of a caveat, that being it probably doesn't include digital downloads and that it's less than a week, you don't add the comment, "About half of GT5's first week sales". On the other hand if you aren't aware there are caveats, then you shouldn't be posting comments on the data to begin with.
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@Johnnypenso It's not a misrepresentation either, it's a the best representation available of retail sales in Japan for the week of Dec 1-8. I assume most of the NEW games on that list were available for less than the full 7 days but that is the reporting period. It's the way those charts work. And it is fair to post less than half of Gt5's retail sales because that's what it did. We don't know digital and likely won't for any region until Sony/PD report that. I'm not commenting on GT6's sales performance in any way but if you think I am that's a misrepresentation of what I wrote.
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GT6 IMO is much better and friendlier compared to GT5 though I had hoped they did bring in more latest model cars. They finally bring the Lamborghini Reventon which was out in 2008 Bunt now it's the time of the Sesto Elemento and Veneno.
They should also promote many reliable models and fan-favourites from standard to premium. Considering the Jaguar XJR-9 '88 gets promoted as well as the Countach 25th Anniversary got promoted, Shuichi Shiugeno's AE86 is one example of a car that deserves absolute premium promotion.
EDIT: Maybe the drifting part ain't so friendly.
They should also promote many reliable models and fan-favourites from standard to premium. Considering the Jaguar XJR-9 '88 gets promoted as well as the Countach 25th Anniversary got promoted, Shuichi Shiugeno's AE86 is one example of a car that deserves absolute premium promotion.
EDIT: Maybe the drifting part ain't so friendly.
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- Customization does need to be improved. IMHO it's not the highest priority thing GT needs to improve, but it could definitely be better.
- Sound, while poor in some instances, is mostly passable at a minimum. And most casual racers probably turn down the SFX and/or crank up the music, so this is probably the lowest of priorities. It's not hurting sales, except for maybe a small percentage of former hardcore GT fans that've become disillusioned with GT due to other racing games with exaggerated, impressive SFX.
- Standard cars will go, mark my words. Polyphony will have a large enough roster of premiums by the time GT7 rolls around where they can cut out the standards without the game feeling even remotely close to being as content-barren as GT3 or FM5.
- Single-player... I agree and I disagree. Being that I primarily play GT offline even to this day, I'd love an improved offline career mode. But to be frank, the idea of working through a calendar season bores me to death. There's nothing wrong with GT's structure of just being a list of events you can tackle in any order you please, though it just needs more of them. And additional things like rivals, sponsorships, etc. wouldn't hurt either. But, again, seasons? I'll pass.
- But overpromising and underdelivering is all the rage these days! Anything that doesn't make the cut for the disc can be added later via patches or DLC. Everybody's doing it, not just Polyphony. I don't like the practice, but it's simply one of the "benefits" of companies taking the internet for granted. Just be thankful the game hasn't moved entirely to the cloud yet, not able to be played offline at all.
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- liampage123
Majority of the people have jumped on the hypetrain to PS4 village. Leaving a lot of the new PS3 games in the dust. Not surprised.
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Well I haven't bought GT6 yet, & if I don't receive it as a Christmas gift, I don't know if I'll be all keen to race out & get it.
Unlike many, I loved GT5. I was as aware of the flaws as anyone else, my biggest gripes being the standard cars & the ongoing issues with engine sounds on some cars. But none of that could take the shine off finally having weather, time changes, a greatly improved selection of real world circuits, the option of painting your cars & wheels, online racing, & above all interior driving views in the premium cars. No GT title has come even close to bringing more new features into the series at once than GT5 did. Yet so few acknowledge it.
GT6 so far seems disappointing. It's superb to finally have Mt Panorama & many of the new premium cars look fun, but graphics, sounds, & menus seem to me to have been downgraded from GT5 in order to get faster loading speeds. No more shuffle races. No more looking at your car in different light conditions in the dealership before purchase ( I loved this little feature, it was the closest thing GT had to Forzas Autovista ). And so many VITAL cars still missing from the premium car list like the MKIV Supra, & Yellowbird, though at least there is a premium Veyron now.
Overall Im not surprised at all that the initial sales are this slow.
Unlike many, I loved GT5. I was as aware of the flaws as anyone else, my biggest gripes being the standard cars & the ongoing issues with engine sounds on some cars. But none of that could take the shine off finally having weather, time changes, a greatly improved selection of real world circuits, the option of painting your cars & wheels, online racing, & above all interior driving views in the premium cars. No GT title has come even close to bringing more new features into the series at once than GT5 did. Yet so few acknowledge it.
GT6 so far seems disappointing. It's superb to finally have Mt Panorama & many of the new premium cars look fun, but graphics, sounds, & menus seem to me to have been downgraded from GT5 in order to get faster loading speeds. No more shuffle races. No more looking at your car in different light conditions in the dealership before purchase ( I loved this little feature, it was the closest thing GT had to Forzas Autovista ). And so many VITAL cars still missing from the premium car list like the MKIV Supra, & Yellowbird, though at least there is a premium Veyron now.
Overall Im not surprised at all that the initial sales are this slow.
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- invertedx
Firstly I just want to say that I think GT6 is amazing. Regarding the sales figures, I think the primary cause is the competition that GT is now up against. We have multiple high quality simulators across 2 other platforms that have flourished since GT5's release. GT was able to dominate when it was the only game offering this kind of experience but that simply isn't the case anymore. That being said, competition drives quality so I'm not concerned about GT's future in the slightest.
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Very good point, however it does not explain the significant decrease since GT5... i see GT as a mental patient at the moment, not by any means perfect, but it must be celebrated for the things its good at... and as ususal with mental patients it is EXTREMELY good at those things that not everyone needs...
Im sorry if this seems offensive to anyone, its rather difficult to explain what i am trying to portray. Please do not have a go at me, as i said its near impossible to emote.
^ Outside the autistic spectrum of disorders, people with mental disabilities aren't really extremely good at anything due to their disability... But I get where you're coming from
I think the biggest issue is that PS3 is now a last gen console, and people are less likely to pay full price for a last gen game. Once a console becomes superceded, people expect game prices to drop rather quickly, and I think people are waiting. That, and the fact that many are still enjoying GT5/ other racing franchises and don't see/feel the need to rush out and buy GT6.
I think the biggest issue is that PS3 is now a last gen console, and people are less likely to pay full price for a last gen game. Once a console becomes superceded, people expect game prices to drop rather quickly, and I think people are waiting. That, and the fact that many are still enjoying GT5/ other racing franchises and don't see/feel the need to rush out and buy GT6.
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There are number of reasons why GT6 initial sales are less than GT5, primarily it is due to next-gen consoles many people are just skipping PS3 games GT6, Puppeteer and Beyond 2 Souls all had pretty low numbers its not only GT6 not to mention many were burned by GT5 so they didn't try and give GT6 a chance.
I honestly believe GT7 on PS4 will do pretty well because it is a new console and everyone want to see what PD can do with 8 gigs of ram and powerful GPU some people look at GT6 as more of the same or an upgrade to GT5 and what should have been in the first place.
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Toko, I admire your optimism and I'd love to see GT6 becoming better down the road, not only by a small margin but genuinely improved over time (sounds, the inclusion of cockpit view FOV settings and etc). I really do. But I honestly just can't see that happening. I want to like the game and I'm fairly sure there's a good game in there somewhere, as with GT5, but they - once again - fail to emphasize those parts and give me an incentive that it is indeed worth my money and time.
GT6 is indeed the better out of the two and there are many cars and tracks that are constantly tempting me, but overall package still screams mediocrity to me (and most likely will continue to do so).
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I don't disagree. There are parts I too really want GT6 to improve on, but usually doesn't bother me much. However, even though I love the game very much, I will love to see those improvements be made. There's nothing wrong if you feel the game isn't to your liking, that's okay and hope it improves what you're looking for in it. I just like targeting those that hate hate hate the game, if there is any. lol.
.This x1,000,000. All of the hype has been about the PS4, anything coming out on PS3 is naturally going to suffer.
GT6 clearly hasn't appeased everyone, yes the sounds, damage, non-premiums etc aren't brilliant , but the biggest factor in that is that it has come out on an out-of-date console whilst Sony focused the hypetrain upon their PS4 games.
Of course that is true that GT should focus on selling on the long term (which it does, just look at past GT games), but that doesn't change the fact that the initial sales data shows that it's selling at a much slower pace than GT5.
It will probably not even break the 500k mark in Japan which was close to GT5's opening numbers there.
It sold way less than GT5 at launch.
Massive difference.
It debuted at no.1 in Germany.
Will update the OP.
Will update the OP.
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Exactly. My shipmates keep asking me why they never see me playing my PS4, and when I tell them "cuz GT6", I get some pretty strange looks.
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No. They pick it up from here. They have confirmed this in the past.
cassiusclay99
I refer you to this quote, by me, in this very thread on Tuesday:
GTP_Ingram
These discussions are going to take a long time if you don't bother reading what others have to say...
Also, the way you word that sentence sums up what a negative attitude you have. It was a page where people could suggest improvements, cars and tracks they would like to see in future games/updates. That fact you saw it as a place to list problems and generally complain shows that you just enjoy a good moan rather than doing anything constructive.
cassiusclay99
Typing in bold does not automatically turn a sentence into a fact. What he actually said is that he is unsure whether said improvements would appear in time for GT6's release:
Kaz
This heavily implies, as he has said elsewhere, that it will almost certainly arrive via update. Source: https://www.gtplanet.net/new-gt6-engine-sounds-could-included-in-game-update/
cassiusclay99
Really? I mean, really? Remember when I said about certain requests which so few people wanted that it's hardly worth the effort? Is your life really so busy that those extra five seconds are vital for you?
This sentece is pretty tricky to decipher, but are you trying to say that clever people may have claimed to see AI? Don't you think that clever people are more likely to not be fooled by such things?cassiusclay99
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Right, lets get into detail about the AI. In the time I have had playing GT6, I can confidently say that the AI has improved. Firstly, they defend their positions more aggressively; they try to stop you from grabbing a slipstream by swerving, and they take defensive positions into braking zones rather than just sitting on the racing line so you can easily sail up the inside, as was the case in the past.
They are also far more opportunistic than before when they see an opportunity to overtake - if one car is forced wide as a result of a move you've put on him, AI behind follow you through, as opposed to just obediently waiting for the other car, or just bumping into them.
Without doing a back-to-back comparison, I suspect that they might be capable of lapping faster than on GT5 too, but I'm open to being proven otherwise.
Now, as I have already said, they are far from perfect; they could certainly be more committed through some corners, and I have noticed the stoppie glitch a few times, but to say that there hasn't been a tangible improvement is bordering on trolling, or just ignorance, frankly.
In fact if you look here, our very own site founder Jordan seems to agree with me:
https://www.gtplanet.net/gt6-hands-on/
Now I'm not saying you're wrong, but if Jordan and I have both noticed the same thing then we probably aren't the only ones, and maybe you could try to take some notice of our comments.
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This and the fact that the marketing they did do can basically be boiled down to..."well guys I'd tell you wait on buying this cause we've got tons of updates in store for you :doopey:!"
See the rational buyer/spender will probably see than and say might as well wait at a later time to buy the game when it's fully fixed and updated. Or if they played GT5 and saw the issues it had and weren't like some of these newer die hard fans that have no clue what it was like before or didn't play much gt if any before, they might wait are skip the game all together because to them it is a GT5.5.
Third, there is a game on a new gen console that is race and driving based I wont say it, but you know what it is. There are plenty of people that wont cry and throw things just because that game isn't a quarter of the car quantity GT is, and play it cause of how much better the next gen runs compared to the old that GT6 is on.
A fourth reason, is somewhat the same as the third but instead of buying the XB1 they rather wait for GT7 and PS4 and be the limited that are pissed off about GT6 not being next gen. Also Kaz potentially hurt sales talking about how GT7 is could at best be released in 2014. It's strange there are times when PD don't talk (usually when the should be) and there are times PD do talk (usually when they shouldn't) like now that make me wonder. It's fine obviously to talk about GT7 but I think most would wait and see how the current just released game does before talking next game.
I'd say the first two reasons are the more likely along with what Carl the Sloth said, believe it or not there is a massive portion of the world's population that don't know nor care what GT is. They may like car games or games in general but they probably don't regard PD/GT as a household name like many of us on this forum. With that said, if your PD or any company and you're trying to convince the average user of all items be it video games, or soap, or soda the idea is the same. That idea is advertising and putting yourself in front of a portion of people that know little about you and make them interested to know more, not clinging to the already established fan base or keeping the newer GT5 fan base casuals hooked.
Either way if PD manage to sell even 4-6 million units of this game (lowest for a core GT game). It will be a good day for Sony and PS3 game sells during a time where the new Gen consoles are being sold and bought for the holiday season.
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I'm sure she had all the aids off and didn't wreck once. Hey maybe if we had standing starts she would lose. If only GT was every other game but what it has been for 15 years! /sarcasm Which race was this and with which car?
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I was alittle disappointed with GT5 because I'm now realizing the GT does not give me the racing simulation I want. They obviously aren't going to change a thing if they had not for GT6.
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This is gt we're talking about. There is no wreck, only bounce.
It was on High Speed Ring, I can't for the life of me remember the car. It was two years ago, but it would obviously have been a low end one. The only thing I can remember about it is that I had to paint it pink, so I bought an LFA just to get the chip.
She played it the way PD want you to - default assists on.
GT6 - There is no try, only win
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GTP_Ingram-> I am gonna answer the sounds point as, to me, it just shows your bias, or, may I say, your dishonesty:
I said:
And you said:
And here is the full quote of the very interview that you convieniently quoted.
Hey look, I bolded the part that says it's a possibility: not a certainty! See? That's exactly what I said. they are working on it...but not sure they would update.
How you try to make me look dishonest when you specifically chose to cut the quotation is beyond me. What credit can we give you if all you want is not to say the truth but to "win" the argument?
About the AI, it was a joke: i meant that as soon as a AI car will do something else than driving straight, people interpret it as "having a human driving". "Hey, i tried to overtake the car and...it moved!!!WOW" AI in GT is a shame. You -and Jordan- can say what you want: you are -both-biased. To say that AI in GT6 is "far from perfect" is a sweet euphemism. Lame. Broken. Crap.
The "delivering car" video is another proof of your bias. We are listing the things that PD did not fix, even though fans complained. This is one of them. And I see you are more encline to blame me with being impatient than to blame the very producer with not including a simple skip button as gamers asked for years. Bias.
The survey made by Gtplanet was proving that WE have to make the tools ourselves to give PD feedback. PD has no official canal if you want to talk to them, complain, etc... You seem to understand Kaz very specific nuanced, cryptic language... but you always miss my points. Weird. ho, and btw, I am talking about a SURVEY Gtplanet made when GT5 came out...a long time ago. Not sure we even talk about the same thing. That survey was the very first I ever saw for any game, and it was huge ! People really complained and you could have a very clear picture of what was right and what was wrong with GT5.
I don't even want to waste my time arguing with you as you obviously don't want to be honest but to defend your beautiful game and your beloved producer. I am pretty harsh when it comes to Kaz, and sometimes I ve been corrected by gamers when my critics were unfair. I have no problem saying I was wrong or overreacted. But you? All you want is to play PD PR.
People like you are the reason PD gets along with this mess. (microtransactions now... and "fans" applaud)
I said:
And you said:
And here is the full quote of the very interview that you convieniently quoted.
Hey look, I bolded the part that says it's a possibility: not a certainty! See? That's exactly what I said. they are working on it...but not sure they would update.
How you try to make me look dishonest when you specifically chose to cut the quotation is beyond me. What credit can we give you if all you want is not to say the truth but to "win" the argument?
About the AI, it was a joke: i meant that as soon as a AI car will do something else than driving straight, people interpret it as "having a human driving". "Hey, i tried to overtake the car and...it moved!!!WOW" AI in GT is a shame. You -and Jordan- can say what you want: you are -both-biased. To say that AI in GT6 is "far from perfect" is a sweet euphemism. Lame. Broken. Crap.
The "delivering car" video is another proof of your bias. We are listing the things that PD did not fix, even though fans complained. This is one of them. And I see you are more encline to blame me with being impatient than to blame the very producer with not including a simple skip button as gamers asked for years. Bias.
The survey made by Gtplanet was proving that WE have to make the tools ourselves to give PD feedback. PD has no official canal if you want to talk to them, complain, etc... You seem to understand Kaz very specific nuanced, cryptic language... but you always miss my points. Weird. ho, and btw, I am talking about a SURVEY Gtplanet made when GT5 came out...a long time ago. Not sure we even talk about the same thing. That survey was the very first I ever saw for any game, and it was huge ! People really complained and you could have a very clear picture of what was right and what was wrong with GT5.
I don't even want to waste my time arguing with you as you obviously don't want to be honest but to defend your beautiful game and your beloved producer. I am pretty harsh when it comes to Kaz, and sometimes I ve been corrected by gamers when my critics were unfair. I have no problem saying I was wrong or overreacted. But you? All you want is to play PD PR.
People like you are the reason PD gets along with this mess. (microtransactions now... and "fans" applaud)
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