GT7 Circuit Experience Overly Difficult....

The last thing for me is to consider myself special because i'm not, but the the gold and platinum is def alot less special now.
See, that's the thing. Getting gold shouldn't be special. Nor should other people getting gold take away from your own achievement. You got there before they did.

It's just another thing to check off on the way to game completion, not a pp measuring contest.
 
Gold times should absolutely be made achievable by an average player in a mainstream game so long as there's content locked behind it (even if the content is "just" credits, which are still pretty hard to come by if you're not grinding the Tomahawk 24/7).

Nothing's stopping you from setting your own goals with these circuit experiences. Create your own difficulty.

If you just want bragging rights, that's what the leaderboards are for.

Indeed. I think most of the CE gold difficulties are fine apart from some outliers both ways. Speaking as an average player, some, like Tsukuba and Interlagos, were a bit too easy to the point where it didn't feel like I've learned anything while others, like Tokyo Track Limit Hell, were too strict on a controller to the point where getting gold felt more like luck than actual improvement on my part.

What won't be fine would be if PD starts changing the requirements post release because a tiny minority feel like they're no longer special because they have to share a trophy and tick mark with too many other players.

Sorry but that's nonsense.

So do you want everyone who can run to go to the Olympics and even if they only finish 150th out of 200 should they get gold? That's what your requirement says and it's just pointless.

ALL CE are in principle for every player who can master the basic driving in the game to achieve at least with bronze, but mostly even with silver. That was already before 1.13 and it is even more so now. Gold should always be "reserved" for those who also have a certain driving qualification. In principle, all CEs have become lighter with 1.13, some by just a few tenths, some by several seconds, depending on the track and the car. If you still can't or don't want to practice enough (as long as you're physically able to do so), you simply don't deserve gold in my opinion.
Gold is a recognition of very good performance and not a gift for anyone who just starts the game to pass the time.
And please stop always referring to the controller when CE's are too heavy! The game was designed and the times were set in such a way that BEFORE 1.13 they were all accessible with the PAD on gold.. but this also required a certain qualification of the player.


In my opinion, the gold times should correspond to the average minimum speeds/times of A+ and A drivers, silver then more to those of B and C drivers and bronze from D to E. In sport mode, the drivers are also divided up like that and it's OK that way. Anyone who really thinks about it should see it the same way. Even in a game, you have to "earn" "achievements" or they're worthless. Especially since there are no "global" leaderboards in the CE, so you can "only" compete with your friends, or at most with other players here in the forum.
I also find the missing separation of before and after the patch really crap!
 
Sorry but that's nonsense.

So do you want everyone who can run to go to the Olympics and even if they only finish 150th out of 200 should they get gold? That's what your requirement says and it's just pointless.

ALL CE are in principle for every player who can master the basic driving in the game to achieve at least with bronze, but mostly even with silver. That was already before 1.13 and it is even more so now. Gold should always be "reserved" for those who also have a certain driving qualification. In principle, all CEs have become lighter with 1.13, some by just a few tenths, some by several seconds, depending on the track and the car. If you still can't or don't want to practice enough (as long as you're physically able to do so), you simply don't deserve gold in my opinion.
Gold is a recognition of very good performance and not a gift for anyone who just starts the game to pass the time.
And please stop always referring to the controller when CE's are too heavy! The game was designed and the times were set in such a way that BEFORE 1.13 they were all accessible with the PAD on gold.. but this also required a certain qualification of the player.


In my opinion, the gold times should correspond to the average minimum speeds/times of A+ and A drivers, silver then more to those of B and C drivers and bronze from D to E. In sport mode, the drivers are also divided up like that and it's OK that way. Anyone who really thinks about it should see it the same way. Even in a game, you have to "earn" "achievements" or they're worthless. Especially since there are no "global" leaderboards in the CE, so you can "only" compete with your friends, or at most with other players here in the forum.
I also find the missing separation of before and after the patch really crap!
I agree. I am getting all gold with controller and I am a B rated driver.
 
Sorry but that's nonsense.

So do you want everyone who can run to go to the Olympics and even if they only finish 150th out of 200 should they get gold? That's what your requirement says and it's just pointless.

ALL CE are in principle for every player who can master the basic driving in the game to achieve at least with bronze, but mostly even with silver. That was already before 1.13 and it is even more so now. Gold should always be "reserved" for those who also have a certain driving qualification. In principle, all CEs have become lighter with 1.13, some by just a few tenths, some by several seconds, depending on the track and the car. If you still can't or don't want to practice enough (as long as you're physically able to do so), you simply don't deserve gold in my opinion.
Gold is a recognition of very good performance and not a gift for anyone who just starts the game to pass the time.
And please stop always referring to the controller when CE's are too heavy! The game was designed and the times were set in such a way that BEFORE 1.13 they were all accessible with the PAD on gold.. but this also required a certain qualification of the player.


In my opinion, the gold times should correspond to the average minimum speeds/times of A+ and A drivers, silver then more to those of B and C drivers and bronze from D to E. In sport mode, the drivers are also divided up like that and it's OK that way. Anyone who really thinks about it should see it the same way. Even in a game, you have to "earn" "achievements" or they're worthless. Especially since there are no "global" leaderboards in the CE, so you can "only" compete with your friends, or at most with other players here in the forum.
I also find the missing separation of before and after the patch really crap!
It's just a game. This elitist "you don't deserve this content" nonsense is toxic.

What other players get up to in singleplayer has no effect on your experience. Sport mode is its own little entity for a reason.
 
It's just a game. This elitist "you don't deserve this content" nonsense is toxic.

What other players get up to in singleplayer has no effect on your experience. Sport mode is its own little entity for a reason.
It's not elitist nonsense, just logic and a certain "appreciation".

Yes, I spent money on the game, but I also expect to have a challenge in the game... and sorry, the way I see it, anyone with even a modicum of ambition should see it the same way. If the tasks are not difficult, if they have no value, then there is no reason to do them.
Even Tetris gets harder and harder the longer you play it and the further you advance. So why should you get everything "thrown behind" here?

I think YOU are the one who is terribly wrong and it would otherwise be far too boring for most of the players.
 
Laguna Seca full lap is hell for me. I'm pretty sure I'd break the controller if I try it before patch lol
That's how I felt with the Laguna Seca lap attack for GTS. It took me many,many,many times until I finally got it. I would recommend watching Youtube videos about it and compare them with your results. And gold should be hard, it was way too easy in GTS for me. Mastering a track to get gold should take hours of work and dedication/effort. It won't get done by itself and everyone who complains about it doesn't really solve anything. We have to put the work in to strive for gold!!
 
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having a bit of trouble with sardegna windmills, it is the only rally stage I didn’t attempt before the last patch and I can’t get better than a bronze on any sector, I’m pretty much 100% gold everywhere else apart from Nords lap attack, is this a patch thing or a me thing? I’m on a wheel, G29 would switching to pad be any better like with the drifting?
 
having a bit of trouble with sardegna windmills, it is the only rally stage I didn’t attempt before the last patch and I can’t get better than a bronze on any sector, I’m pretty much 100% gold everywhere else apart from Nords lap attack, is this a patch thing or a me thing? I’m on a wheel, G29 would switching to pad be any better like with the drifting?
Are you using any assists? If so, try everything off except ABS of course. It made my life much easier and I'm still the fastest on my leaderboard.

I also put the torque distribution to 50/50 in the front.
 
Are you using any assists? If so, try everything off except ABS of course. It made my life much easier and I'm still the fastest on my leaderboard.

I also put the torque distribution to 50/50 in the front.

no assists just my raw god given talent to repeat the same task over and over again until I beat it
 
having a bit of trouble with sardegna windmills, it is the only rally stage I didn’t attempt before the last patch and I can’t get better than a bronze on any sector, I’m pretty much 100% gold everywhere else apart from Nords lap attack, is this a patch thing or a me thing? I’m on a wheel, G29 would switching to pad be any better like with the drifting?
It helped me a lot according to the motto.. less is more to drive there....

Less steering input.. less brakes.. careful with the gas. Torque between 50/50 and 40/60 is easy to drive... 50/50 a little easier to handle... 40/60 a little more agile, but also to drive with more caution when steering.
 
It's not elitist nonsense, just logic and a certain "appreciation".

Yes, I spent money on the game, but I also expect to have a challenge in the game... and sorry, the way I see it, anyone with even a modicum of ambition should see it the same way. If the tasks are not difficult, if they have no value, then there is no reason to do them.
Even Tetris gets harder and harder the longer you play it and the further you advance. So why should you get everything "thrown behind" here?

I think YOU are the one who is terribly wrong and it would otherwise be far too boring for most of the players.
Tetris doesn't lock ingame rewards behind X number of lines cleared.

Honestly CE in GT7 is superfluous. Without the patched credit rewards, it offers nothing unique next to the Missions and Licenses that already exist. It's just Time Trial mode with more interruptions. PD should have just developed Time Trial more, with a global leaderboard to start with, to satisfy those who need the validation that they're faster than XX% of players.
 
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Gold times should absolutely be made achievable by an average player in a mainstream game so long as there's content locked behind it (even if the content is "just" credits, which are still pretty hard to come by if you're not grinding the Tomahawk 24/7).

Nothing's stopping you from setting your own goals with these circuit experiences. Create your own difficulty.

If you just want bragging rights, that's what the leaderboards are for.
No, Gold times shouldn't be achievable by the average player, that's what the Bronze time is for, the average player is not interested in setting great lap times but rather driving their favourite cars, there's no shame in getting a bronze or a silver time, if people want to better their skills then it takes time, practice and lots of laps, how this is an issue I don't understand,

Nothings stopping you? well PD are because its their game and have made how they would like people to play it, they've set a benchmark for people to aim for.

The content is not locked away from the average player because they can't get a Gold Time in CE, there are other ways to play the game outside of CE, Micro Transactions and Grinding in a Tomahawk to earn credits to "unlock" content.
Indeed. I think most of the CE gold difficulties are fine apart from some outliers both ways. Speaking as an average player, some, like Tsukuba and Interlagos, were a bit too easy to the point where it didn't feel like I've learned anything while others, like Tokyo Track Limit Hell, were too strict on a controller to the point where getting gold felt more like luck than actual improvement on my part.

What won't be fine would be if PD starts changing the requirements post release because a tiny minority feel like they're no longer special because they have to share a trophy and tick mark with too many other players.
Well you clearly haven't understood the point of the CE for Tokyo of carrying speed through Blind corners if you feel like it was just luck, with that approach you probably don't get the point of CE at all.
Who's saying they want a clique of trophy ticking? please show an example of this
See, that's the thing. Getting gold shouldn't be special. Nor should other people getting gold take away from your own achievement. You got there before they did.

It's just another thing to check off on the way to game completion, not a pp measuring contest.
if getting Gold shouldn't be special why should we even play this game, I mean no drive or incentive to do so then.
It's just a game. This elitist "you don't deserve this content" nonsense is toxic.

What other players get up to in singleplayer has no effect on your experience. Sport mode is its own little entity for a reason.
Please show examples of this toxic nonsense then, pretty sure we're seeing lots of people offering help to those who ask on how they achieved the Gold times.
Tetris doesn't lock ingame rewards behind X number of lines cleared.

Honestly CE in GT7 is superfluous. Without the patched credit rewards, it offers nothing unique next to the Missions and Licenses that already exist. It's just Time Trial mode with more interruptions. PD should have just developed Time Trial more, with a global leaderboard to start with, to satisfy those who need the validation that they're faster than XX% of players.
If its Superfluous you sure seem to care a lot then... but again you say offers nothing unique which goes back to my previous point that you've missed that the CE is used as a training tool for the track and a driving technique like carrying speed in blind corners round Tokyo,

The amount of salt you are displaying I think this game isn't for you, CE is a part of the game that offers people more opportunities to drive cars, how this is an interruption is beyond me.
 
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See, that's the thing. Getting gold shouldn't be special. Nor should other people getting gold take away from your own achievement. You got there before they did.

It's just another thing to check off on the way to game completion, not a pp measuring contest.
Gold should be special, and should be hard to get, that has been the interpretation for gold since it was introduced in any kind of sport, it does not matter who is first imo, that completely not my point., but you can't just change the difficulty level in mid game and compare the achievements, not in GT7 and not in any olympic game or what so ever,
Some (alot) of GT7 drivers including me value their setted times. :)
 
No, Gold times shouldn't be achievable by the average player, that's what the Bronze time is for, the average player is not interested in setting great lap times but rather driving their favourite cars, there's no shame in getting a bronze or a silver time, if people want to better their skills then it takes time, practice and lots of laps, how this is an issue I don't understand,
I'm an average player. I've golded every CE. Some were done right after PD patched the credit rewards and some after the physics patch.

The difficulty is mostly fine as it is. That's not the issue. I'm not at a level where I noticed much of a difference with the physics patch. The sectors that I had trouble with were still difficult. The sectors that I found easy were still easy.

The issue would be if PD starts messing around with the requirements because some faster players think it's "crap" that others are also beating the gold times like it somehow takes something away from them or because they're under some belief that gold shouldn't be achievable by just anybody.
Nothings stopping you? well PD are because its their game and have made how they would like people to play it, they've set a benchmark for people to aim for.
Just because PD set a time doesn't mean you can't go faster. Does the game stop you from setting a new time once you've beaten it?
The content is not locked away from the average player because they can't get a Gold Time in CE, there are other ways to play the game outside of CE, Micro Transactions and Grinding in a Tomahawk to earn credits to "unlock" content.
Either pay up or glitch the game, fantastic alternatives.
Well you clearly aven't understood the point of the CE for Tokyo of carrying speed through Blind corners if you feel like it was just luck, with that approach you probably don't get the point of CE at all.
Oh I got the point. But on a controller, doing what felt to me like exactly the same thing over and over often gave me very different results. I will either end up beating a gold sector by over a second or graze a wall and fail. It never felt like I made an active improvement to get a gold run. It just felt like luck.
if getting Gold shouldn't be special why should we even play this game, I mean no drive or incentive to do so then.
There being no reason to keep playing is more indicative of the lack of fun repeatable singleplayer content in the game, actual races against competent AI for example.

Getting the gold rewards is just another part of the singleplayer content. It's not some special achievement.

Winning a race in a singleplayer racing game is nothing special. It's more or less expected. What makes beating a gold CE time any different?
Please show examples of this toxic nonsense then
Oh there were plenty of posts both here and on other platforms crying about everything being made too easy after the physics patch and how getting gold is meaningless because more and more players are able to do it too.
If its Superfluous you sure seem to care a lot then...
Because I want PD to do more with CEs. How are they currently any different from Licenses or the time attack Missions?

Why not incorporate some active, guided learning material to show an average player what to do to actually go fast beyond just what needs to be done to beat a time with a specific car and track combination. You can watch the demo lap over and over and learn the inputs like it's a rhythm game in a Japanese arcade but doing that doesn't really teach you why a particular line is faster.

For example, Harmonic's Maggiore lap guide video on youtube is infinitely more valuable than anything that's presented to you in the game itself.

Why can't PD do something in the same vein with all the resources at their disposal? Hell, don't stop at just a video. Turn it into an actual circuit experience with an active instructor telling you where you can improve instead of Sarah telling you to take a deep breath. But all PD did was to recycle the time attack formula and give it a different name.
CE is a part of the game that offers people more opportunities to drive cars, how this is an interruption is beyond me.
Having a menu pop up that literally stops you after every lap is not an interruption vs Time Trials where you can set laps over and over without pause?
Gold should be special, and should be hard to get, that has been the interpretation for gold since it was introduced in any kind of sport, it does not matter who is first imo, that completely not my point., but you can't just change the difficulty level in mid game and compare the achievements, not in GT7 and not in any olympic game or what so ever,
Some (alot) of GT7 drivers including me value their setted times. :)
Equipment, training, and resources all improve over time for any sport. Does Hamilton or Vettel or Verstappen setting new records in F1 take away the achievements of those that came before them?
 
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The issue would be if PD starts messing around with the requirements because some faster players think it's "crap" that others are also beating the gold times like it somehow takes something away from them or because they're under some belief that gold shouldn't be achievable by just anybody.
Ok but no ones asking for PD to change the requirements, have PD said they will? why is this even a point then?
Just because PD set a time doesn't mean you can't go faster. Does the game stop you from setting a new time once you've beaten it?
And so? nothings stopping you going faster, doesn't mean Gold needs to be accessible to all, and no the game doesn't stop you going in and setting a new time, your point is?
Either pay up or glitch the game, fantastic alternatives.
You've forgotten all the other races you can do, 700pp LeMans and Spa 1 hour come to mind instantly, try again...
Oh I got the point. But on a controller, doing what felt to me like exactly the same thing over and over often gave me very different results. I will either end up beating a gold sector by over a second or graze a wall and fail. It never felt like I made an active improvement to get a gold run. It just felt like luck.
Ok great for you that is but for me also on a controller it wasn't, I had intent to carry speed, use track side objects or markers to determine my inputs
There being no reason to keep playing is more indicative of the lack of fun repeatable singleplayer content in the game, actual races against competent AI for example.

Getting the gold rewards is just another part of the singleplayer content. It's not some special achievement.
Ok but your point is to have gold easily obtainable by the average player so then they'll get through content faster than PD designed... making it worse than it is...
Oh there were plenty of posts both here and on other platforms crying about everything being made too easy after the physics patch and how getting gold is meaningless because more and more players are able to do it too.
if there were plenty you could of shown them then, I don't care what other platforms are saying where on here that "gold is meaningless because more and more players are able to do it too" nowhere... try again...
Because I want PD to do more with CEs. How are they currently any different from Licenses or the time attack Missions?

Why not incorporate some active, guided learning material to show an average player what to do to actually go fast beyond just what needs to be done to beat a time with a specific car and track combination. You can watch the demo lap over and over and learn the inputs like it's a rhythm game in a Japanese arcade but doing that doesn't really teach you why a particular line is faster.

For example, Harmonic's Maggiore lap guide video on youtube is infinitely more valuable than anything that's presented to you in the game itself.

Why can't PD do something in the same vein with all the resources at their disposal? Hell, don't stop at just a video. Turn it into an actual circuit experience with an active instructor telling you where you can improve instead of Sarah telling you to take a deep breath. But all PD did was to recycle the time attack formula and give it a different name.
It's called watching the demo replay and looking at the inputs, if you can't take in that information and translate it to your driving how is that PD's problem? sounds like a you problem...
Having a menu pop up that literally stops you after every lap is not an interruption vs Time Trials where you can set laps over and over without pause?
Because it's not a time trial... it's breaks the track down into sectors and then ONE lap for a circuit experience...
 
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My main critique on gt7 CE is not even the difficulty. Its the inconsistensy of it. Some tracks are very hard to gold while others you do it almost first try. Big discrepancy in dificulty between Tracks like rallies, laguna seca or some tokyo xpress ones and tracks like daytona, monza or interlagos witch you get gold easy.
I would like the challenge to be based on how dificult the track is (ex: mount panorama, nurburgring nord., le mans etc) and not on how tight the timer is. Laguna seca isnt a hard track, what makes its CE hard is that ludacris gold timer, while mount panorama is hard, not because of its timer, but because of the track itself.
Tracks like nurburgring gp, fuji and suzuka imo are 3 of the best examples where dificulty is all right
 
Ok but no ones asking for PD to change the requirements, have PD said they will? why is this even a point then?

And so? nothings stopping you going faster, doesn't mean Gold needs to be accessible to all, and no the game doesn't stop you going in and setting a new time, your point is?

You've forgotten all the other races you can do, 700pp LeMans and Spa 1 hour come to mind instantly, try again...

Ok great for you that is but for me also on a controller it wasn't, I had intent to carry speed, use track side objects or markers to determine my inputs

Ok but your point is to have gold easily obtainable by the average player so then they'll get through content faster than PD designed... making it worse than it is...

if there were plenty you could of shown them then, I don't care what other platforms are saying where on here that "gold is meaningless because more and more players are able to do it too" nowhere... try again...

It's called watching the demo replay and looking at the inputs, if you can't take in that information and translate it to your driving how is that PD's problem? sounds like a you problem...

Because it's not a time trial... it's breaks the track down into sectors and then ONE lap for a circuit experience...
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Again... nerfing gold times even more is just....... baeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

And I haven't seen anyone really think CE is worthless now because more players can do it now.. the point of that is just...because after the patch it got a lot easier. It's certainly not about not treating others.
BUT a player who beat a gold time by say 3 seconds before the patch was a very good driver at the time, now an average player can probably do the same time. And only this circumstance devalues the "performance" of this player and he is if he attaches importance to measuring himself with others to repeat the CE's.
 
I’m proud of each and every gold CE I struggled to get. Some of them took days, the very idea that they should be made easier so every one can have a gold trophy and some extra credits is for losers, put in the hours and days driving the track over and over again until you can beat the time like you’re supposed to.
 
Equipment, training, and resources all improve over time for any sport. Does Hamilton or Vettel or Verstappen setting new records in F1 take away the achievements of those that came before them?
Indeed that is true, overtime it all improves, and no, it does not take away the achievements of the ones before, you just can't compare them in the same leaque.
 
Ok but no ones asking for PD to change the requirements, have PD said they will? why is this even a point then?
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And so? nothings stopping you going faster, doesn't mean Gold needs to be accessible to all, and no the game doesn't stop you going in and setting a new time, your point is?
Gold should be the baseline. Anything faster is down to the players' intrinsic motivation.

As I've said before. The difficulty for most of the CEs are fine. Increasing the baseline difficulty because "gold shouldn't be achievable by the average player" is not fine.
You've forgotten all the other races you can do, 700pp LeMans and Spa 1 hour come to mind instantly, try again...
Yes, all 3 of them. The game needs so many more events.
if there were plenty you could of shown them then, I don't care what other platforms are saying where on here that "gold is meaningless because more and more players are able to do it too" nowhere... try again...
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Gold should be the baseline. Anything faster is down to the players' intrinsic motivation.

As I've said before. The difficulty for most of the CEs are fine. Increasing the baseline difficulty because "gold shouldn't be achievable by the average player" is not fine.
This is where you are wrong, the top achievement now needs to be the baseline? can't agree with that at all as it makes the silver and bronze pointless, Bronze is the baseline
Yes, all 3 of them. The game needs so many more events.
Oh but you conveniently missed them out in your previous post, so now there are decent alternatives, and guess what there are other races to do as well, Trial Mountain Cup, Sardegna WTC 800 again off the top of my head, Edit: and now trying to move the goal posts from CE difficulty to Content for the game...

Right now onto the screenshots, you missed satire in a few of those especially from @xMAXIx79 ; @Talon16 never said "gold is meaningless because more and more players are able to do it too" but rather that his attempts achieved to get Gold Pre 1.13 patch now feel useless as the patch now makes it easier,

Sounds like you're grasping here buddy
 
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This is where you are wrong, the top achievement now needs to be the baseline? can't agree with that at all as it makes the silver and bronze pointless, Bronze is the baseline

Oh but you conveniently missed them out in your previous post, so now there are decent alternatives, and guess what there are other races to do as well, Trial Mountain Cup, Sardegna WTC 800 again off the top of my head, Edit: and now trying to move the goal posts from CE difficulty to Content for the game...

Right now onto the screenshots, you missed satire in a few of those especially from @xMAXIx79 ; @Talon16 never said "gold is meaningless because more and more players are able to do it too" but rather that his attempts achieved to get Gold Pre 1.13 patch now feel useless as the patch now makes it easier,

Sounds like you're grasping here buddy
I don't think it makes much sense to continue discussing with this user... our attitude and his are fundamentally different. But I'll take any bet.. Anyone who, on the other hand, would like to make it even easier.. or would even like to have it harder again... is honestly happy for every player who also makes it to gold.. especially if he had to work really hard to make it...
 
This is where you are wrong, the top achievement now needs to be the baseline? can't agree with that at all as it makes the silver and bronze pointless, Bronze is the baseline
Bronze = you've attempted it, have a consolation price

Silver = literally pointless because you get nothing

Gold = the baseline, you've now completed the content

It's singleplayer content. Gold is not a top achievement by any means. It's just the game telling you to move on to another piece of content.

Oh but you conveniently missed them out in your previous post, so now there are decent alternatives, and guess what there are other races to do as well, Trial Mountain Cup, Sardegna WTC 800 again off the top of my head, Edit: and now trying to move the goal posts from CE difficulty to Content for the game...
You brought them up.

Right now onto the screenshots, you missed satire in a few of those especially from @xMAXIx79 ; @Talon16 never said "gold is meaningless because more and more players are able to do it too" but rather that his attempts achieved to get Gold Pre 1.13 patch now feel useless as the patch now makes it easier,

Sounds like you're grasping here buddy
Right, satire. Sure. Let's go with that.

All the same, just because some cars were patched to behave as intended doesn't invalidate your previous efforts. You've already completed the "back in my days" content. You don't get to cry because others might now have an easier time.

Anyone who, on the other hand, would like to make it even easier.. or would even like to have it harder again... is honestly happy for every player who also makes it to gold..
Telling someone who made the effort to post a video of completing a gold lap "I don't want to belittle your success, but..." definitely sounds like you were happy for them.

I'll stop here. I think treating Circuit Experience as some sort of special achievement is just bizzare. It's structured content the game expects you to complete.

Special achievements are things beyond the scope and direction of the game driven only by the player's own volition. Beating Dark Souls with a wheel is a special achievement. Beating gold CE times isn't.
 
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Bronze = you've attempted it, have a consolation price

Silver = literally pointless because you get nothing

Gold = the baseline, you've now completed the content

It's singleplayer content. Gold is not a top achievement by any means. It's just the game telling you to move on to another piece of content.


You brought them up.


Right, satire. Sure. Let's go with that.

All the same, just because some cars were patched to behave as intended doesn't invalidate your previous efforts. You've already completed the "back in my days" content. You don't get to cry because others might now have an easier time.


Telling someone who made the effort to post a video of completing a gold lap "I don't want to belittle your success, but..." definitely sounds like you were happy for them.

I'll stop here. I think treating CE gold as some sort of special achievement is just bizzare when the game hosts actual championships.
You didn't understand anything from start to finish...whether that's a translation problem or just because you can't understand it.. well....

And NO you are completely wrong. If you had followed the topic here and the others more closely and also read more of what I wrote, then you would know that I am still trying to help other players with advice and so on to create the CE's.

Ergo, your assumption is more... well.

Furthermore, in the game, bronze is considered THE result that must be achieved in order to progress... Silver... yes, that feels a bit worthless, since there are no separate rewards for it. And gold is now provided for special achievements that should also be difficult. (Which they are significantly less after the patch)
 
It's singleplayer content. Gold is not a top achievement by any means. It's just the game telling you to move on to another piece of content.
This is counter to everything ever.
I think treating CE gold as some sort of special achievement is just bizzare
This sums up an entire generation. Gold is a special achievement. If you can’t get it then tough. If everyone could get gold it wouldn’t be gold.
 
You brought them up.
Because you said using a tomahawk glitch is the only way to get unlock content when it isn’t…
Right, satire. Sure. Let's go with that.
Well that ones on you then
All the same, just because some cars were patched to behave as intended doesn't invalidate your previous efforts. You've already completed the "back in my days" content. You don't get to cry because others might now have an easier time.
Pulling this from? Have you ever driven any of these cars on a track to compare how they “behave as intended”?
I’m crying? Where? You’re just making up statements now
Telling someone who made the effort to post a video of completing a gold lap "I don't want to belittle your success, but..." definitely sounds like you were happy for them.
Ok you’re just salty here, probably because you haven’t managed to gold that particular event you’re referring to and won’t listen to any advice given as you think you’re faster than you really are. If you think showing our attempts to get gold is an attempt to belittle people then you have some insecurities of your own you need to go work on.
Earlier you mentioned Harmonics lap guide is great help that PD should of done, is that lap guide not belittling to people then?
I'll stop here. I think treating CE gold as some sort of special achievement is just bizzare when the game hosts actual championships.
You can be nonchalant about it as much as you like, doesn’t mean it toxic or wrong as you’ve put it so far,
People will always assign this “special achievement “ attitude you despise when there are targets in a game system,

It’s a you problem
 
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Did something change? I heard alot of negativity regarding Suzuka CE. Sector 1 is testing the ghost is just about the Gold time. But the rest of the sectors were first time Golds for me. I managed Gold on my first complete lap by a clear half a second without feeling like I had to push it.

Its very very easy compared to Autopolis.

I mean I'm decent, I play for Golds but this was pretty easy. Sector 1 needed effort of course.

Edit: Golded it 3 times in a row. Beating my own recorded once amongst those.
 
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Did something change? I heard alot of negativity regarding Suzuka CE. Sector 1 is testing the ghost is just about the Gold time. But the rest of the sectors were first time Golds for me. I managed Gold on my first complete lap by a clear half a second without feeling like I had to push it.

Its very very easy compared to Autopolis.

I mean I'm decent, I play for Golds but this was pretty easy. Sector 1 needed effort of course.
Sector 1 is the only part really dificult about suzuka. The rest of the sectors are easy and the full lap is forgiving. People complain about suzuka because they think the rest is has hard as sector 1.
 
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