GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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Pfei
I understand both sides of the preferences here (tuning vs no tuning). Personally I prefer spec BoP racing like in Gr. 3/4 and ACC. However that does not mean I am against tuning.

I am against tuning in race cars because they are already tuned. They should only have BoP (and hopefully the game allows setup along with BoP). That is in the spirit of a spec series, and is what PD masterfully exhibited in the FIA Manufacturers Series (albeit with setup sheets locked). Yes, tire wear in Gr. 4 made it a bit stacked against the odds for some cars, but Gr. 3 was very close, within a few tenths for every car. Tuning race cars flies in the face of the spirit of Sport Mode and fair, competitive championships. Adding nitrous, turbo, Fast 'N Furious wings, etc... to a Gr. 4 or 3 car is preposterous. So keep tuning out of race cars, please. Opening setup would be fine by me, but BoP in race cars is essential.

In road cars, however, I am all for open tuning. That's in the Gran Turismo tradition. Souped-up, modified road cars is what a lot of people love about the series. IMO it doesn't fit neatly into Sport Mode, but one race a week with wildly differing PP limits and car restrictions each week could offer some massive variety. I think I would have a lot of fun messing around in tuning races, however I refuse to play them because of how they influence DR. I would likely never try these tuned road races because my imported A/S rating from GTS was molded mostly by the FIA races, and in GT7 I will continue to do the championships only, maybe a few BoP dailies here and there. I wouldn't enter a tuning race because I feel DR is not compatible with the two sides of the game. The spirit of BoP in Sport Mode is incompatible with allowing tuning. It's really two completely different kinds of racing. That's why I propose a DR split, which I explain below.

If I were in charge (which I am not), assuming all the bugs, glitches, exploits and cheats have been worked out, this is how I would set up sport mode:

  • DR becomes a specific rating tied to the BoP side of the game (BoP daily races, manufacturers series, etc...)
  • TR (Tuner Rating) would be a new rating used to take the place of DR in the tuning races. This would definitely get me into racing tuning races for fun without worrying about my DR being smashed just because I haven't bought the right tuning parts for a car I don't even know would be competitive in the first place.
  • SR would stay and be used and fluctuate over BoP dailies and Tuning Dailies
  • 4 Daily Races: 2 with tuning, 2 with BoP. One race in each class could use fuel and tire wear to mix things up (similar to the current and past GTS Race C). Lots of possibilities there.
Besides what I wrote above, my biggest fear in tuning events is that there seem to be a lot of bugs, glitches and exploits in PP system. If that is not resolved then tuning races will never be viable in Sport Mode. In GTS, PD had a hard enough time keeping BoP balanced. Now imagine how difficult it must be to balance PP over 400+ cars with nearly limitless tuning combinations. Until PD can guarantee that all of the loopholes we have seen the past week have been closed I will not join a tuning Sport Mode race. If they would split it up and offer a new TR rating instead of using our DR, then I could see myself participating for some fun even if glitched. I really think there is a game in itself waiting inside Sport Mode with tuned road cars but it needs to be watertight, bug-free and balanced for it to work. I don't see that being possible. For now I will wait until they fix BoP mode to judge GT7 Sport Mode. Hopefully they will at least get the BoP bypass cheats resolved soon.

TL;DR: use DR for BoP races. Use a new TR (Tuning Rating) for tuning races. Have two dailies of each type of race. Fun for all.
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that's how I feel. Essentially two separate online modes. Sport continues being what it was. BoP (in whatever form) races with race cars for DR/SR. Another classic online mode with GT Events taken online. Track and car regulations taken from cafe menu and only SR is affected. Makes the game attractive to the broadest player base.
 
Pigems
You say that as if a regular BoP race doesn’t have a meta after 15 minutes either though. It’s sim racing, there will almost always be a meta, regardless of rules/regulations. It even happens in iRacing.
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Yeah, I know a meta would show up. I thought there would be a few different cars that would be viable for Daytona.
 
ruggermole
that's how I feel. Essentially two separate online modes. Sport continues being what it was. BoP (in whatever form) races with race cars for DR/SR. Another classic online mode with GT Events taken online. Track and car regulations taken from cafe menu and only SR is affected. Makes the game attractive to the broadest player base.
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Come to think of it, if PD split DR into DR and TR there could be Tuning Championships along with the Nations Cup and Manufacturers Series. And there could be a new yearly world series final for tuning. And I am sure it will be a lot of new faces we haven't seen in the finals in GT Sport. Who knows, if they did something like that, I would probably compete just for kicks. It would be another way to enjoy the game online.
 
Pfei
Come to think of it, if PD split DR into DR and TR there could be Tuning Championships along with the Nations Cup and Manufacturers Series. And there could be a new yearly world series final for tuning. And I am sure it will be a lot of new faces we haven't seen in the finals in GT Sport. Who knows, if they did something like that, I would probably compete just for kicks. It would be another way to enjoy the game online.
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I think it would be super cool to do a separate Manu cup with tuning. I think it would be super interesting to take those racecars and try to extract whatever you can out of them, while also repping a specific manufacturer since you have all season with the same 2 cars. I think that balances out the "lack of time" argument too, since part of the process is refining the car as the season goes.
 
I am towards the back in the daily B, and just having fun trying to get from 16th to something higher. 9th is my best finish so far. Yes it’s not amazing but the last couple of races have been clean and competitive throughout the entire field
 
Winnie847
You've used a couple different straw man arguments against me here, so let me clarify. I never said you "more hardcore players are silly." I said that the claim that if you put in more practice you will always get better results is a silly claim. My examples explain why this is true, there's not really much of an argument there. More effort will sometimes bring better results, but there is a limit and more practice does not always equal better results.

You say most esport drivers get paid and/or sponsored to practice and race a lot, but that's not typically the case in GT. Most of them don't get paid.

I also never said tuning should be disallowed completely. So that argument surely isn't aimed at me.

I agree that GT7 should have both options. If it did, everybody (including PD) would see that there are many more people who prefer the non-tuning races compared to those who do. No contest.

I'm curious what you think makes you a "hardcore player?" Is it because you have more time than the average player? Are you sponsored or do you get paid to play? I would consider myself as somebody who takes the racing seriously and is very competitive when I do race...I just happen to have a full time career and a family with a young child. Does that make me any less hardcore because I'd rather spend my limited time racing over tuning?

If you think more effort will always bring better results, then what is the difference between putting in more effort by practicing driving and using that time to tune? By this theory, shouldn't you be equally as competitive in any car as long as you put the time in? After all as you stated, this is racing, right? So why not race more and tune less? Seems like your time would be better spent practicing racing and getting better at driving technique than it would be attempting to tune out yours or the car's bad characteristics.
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Okay. I meant timewise good, not esports level myself, I don't have time to do 6-8 hrs per day and lacking some talent too. I did go from high B DR to over 48K A DR after I started to practice much more in GTS. Nothing fancy but I always thought myself as super average, with more practice not as bad as I thought, 146th in previous nations cup exhibition series - season 2 for EMEA. But yeah, hardcore has more to do with time spent on GT3-7 games overall. No chance against the true GTS-GT7 game greats, raced against Fraga and Coque in GTS dailies a few times, no chances lol. In GT7 enjoying all the car collecting, tuning, setups, everything. Except for the bugs lol.

Why not both? Why not tune plenty and race plenty? Focusing on both will bring better results for GT7 and PD too. Because trust me that tuning is going nowhere. Both are vital parts of racing and this game.

Unless casuals go on a rampage or social media/twitter cancel whatever. But that will only annoy me and others who enjoy tuning, and wanting to race against other tuners in sport mode too. Except for VGT being op in daily b and some glitches with R32. That daily b last week at deep forest was the best daily race b since the launch of GTS. Such clean racing too.

Imo GT cars belong in daily C, not daily b. Unless we get a 4th daily race. Fix bop for gr1-4 races, and that is it. Maybe disable setups? Or vary from week to week, with setups? Daily B can be tuning at least, maybe better for daily A with no tuning..

I have no idea what the fuss is about regarding setting up and tuning, does not even take a long time lol. But I guess if you have 2 hrs per day or less to play, then 30 mins searching a tune and setting up and tweaking a few times after driving is too much. But that's on you, not the game imo.
 
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Pfei
I understand both sides of the preferences here (tuning vs no tuning). Personally I prefer spec BoP racing like in Gr. 3/4 and ACC. However that does not mean I am against tuning.

I am against tuning in race cars because they are already tuned. They should only have BoP (and hopefully the game allows setup along with BoP). That is in the spirit of a spec series, and is what PD masterfully exhibited in the FIA Manufacturers Series (albeit with setup sheets locked). Yes, tire wear in Gr. 4 made it a bit stacked against the odds for some cars, but Gr. 3 was very close, within a few tenths for every car. Tuning race cars flies in the face of the spirit of Sport Mode and fair, competitive championships. Adding nitrous, turbo, Fast 'N Furious wings, etc... to a Gr. 4 or 3 car is preposterous. So keep tuning out of race cars, please. Opening setup would be fine by me, but BoP in race cars is essential.

In road cars, however, I am all for open tuning. That's in the Gran Turismo tradition. Souped-up, modified road cars is what a lot of people love about the series. IMO it doesn't fit neatly into Sport Mode, but one race a week with wildly differing PP limits and car restrictions each week could offer some massive variety. I think I would have a lot of fun messing around in tuning races, however I refuse to play them because of how they influence DR. I would likely never try these tuned road races because my imported A/S rating from GTS was molded mostly by the FIA races, and in GT7 I will continue to do the championships only, maybe a few BoP dailies here and there. I wouldn't enter a tuning race because I feel DR is not compatible with the two sides of the game. The spirit of BoP in Sport Mode is incompatible with allowing tuning. It's really two completely different kinds of racing. That's why I propose a DR split, which I explain below.

If I were in charge (which I am not), assuming all the bugs, glitches, exploits and cheats have been worked out, this is how I would set up sport mode:

  • DR becomes a specific rating tied to the BoP side of the game (BoP daily races, manufacturers series, etc...)
  • TR (Tuner Rating) would be a new rating used to take the place of DR in the tuning races. This would definitely get me into racing tuning races for fun without worrying about my DR being smashed just because I haven't bought the right tuning parts for a car I don't even know would be competitive in the first place.
  • SR would stay and be used and fluctuate over BoP dailies and Tuning Dailies
  • 4 Daily Races: 2 with tuning, 2 with BoP. One race in each class could use fuel and tire wear to mix things up (similar to the current and past GTS Race C). Lots of possibilities there.
Besides what I wrote above, my biggest fear in tuning events is that there seem to be a lot of bugs, glitches and exploits in PP system. If that is not resolved then tuning races will never be viable in Sport Mode. In GTS, PD had a hard enough time keeping BoP balanced. Now imagine how difficult it must be to balance PP over 400+ cars with nearly limitless tuning combinations. Until PD can guarantee that all of the loopholes we have seen the past week have been closed I will not join a tuning Sport Mode race. If they would split it up and offer a new TR rating instead of using our DR, then I could see myself participating for some fun even if glitched. I really think there is a game in itself waiting inside Sport Mode with tuned road cars but it needs to be watertight, bug-free and balanced for it to work. I don't see that being possible. For now I will wait until they fix BoP mode to judge GT7 Sport Mode. Hopefully they will at least get the BoP bypass cheats resolved soon.

TL;DR: use DR for BoP races. Use a new TR (Tuning Rating) for tuning races. Have two dailies of each type of race. Fun for all.
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Good ideas, 100% agreed. Better than my idea with 4 dailies 👏
 
samppa_944
I have no idea what the fuss is about regarding setting up and tuning
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I don't think setup is what is putting people off, it's tuning. And not because of tuning per se, but because our worst fears regarding tuning in Sport Mode have come true since launch: the entire tuning system is vulnerable to glitches, exploits and cheats. Even the BoP Daily C had to be re-tooled because it was "hacked" by a few button presses in the setup sheets inadvertently allowing modded Gr. 3 cars into the qualy session.

At least that's the way I see it. I don't see tuning to be any more time consuming than setup work. That's what the PP system is for. What frightens me is that there is no way PD can come up with a fair and balanced PP system for 400+ cars and the millions of parts/setup combinations possible between them. It's literally a Pandora's box of exploits and cheats.
 
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Pfei
I don't think setup is what is putting people off, it's tuning. And not because of tuning per se, but because our worst fears regarding tuning in Sport Mode have come true since launch: the entire tuning system is vulnerable to glitches, exploits and cheats. Even the BoP Daily C had to be re-tooled because it was "hacked" by a few button presses in the setup sheets inadvertently allowing modded Gr. 3 cars into the qualy session.

At least that's the way I see it. I don't see tuning to be any more time consuming than setup work. That's what the PP system is for. What frightens me is that there is no way PD can come up with a fair and balanced PP system for 400+ cars and the millions of parts/setup combinations possible between them. It's literally a Pandora's box of exploits and cheats.
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Okay fair points. They just need to fix the glitches and that's it. Can't be that many exploits, if PD looked more closely into cars, they would have known in advance about the VGT issue.

PD did the classical modern game company stuff. Save time and money on testing and fixing bugs, using the whole playerbase as beta players. This happens way too often these days. Not good, in a way PS2 era was much better, at least GT3-4 were complete games at launch.

At least GT mode and other stuff not in sport mode and lobbies seems to be quite spotless, not entirely though (the non dirt tire glitch 🙈). Well, with patience, I think GT7 will become great. They could and should have tested 1-2 months longer though before release..
 
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GTD87
One of the things i loved about gt6 quick match was getting something like a bettle and putting turbo on it bigger than my head and racing people online and those room always had people in them

But apparently bop boys are way too busy and more important than everybody else because they have a kid and those without kids are lesser people.

Sad they won't allow a choice of both .

I didn't know sport mode was fascist mode
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obvious troll is obvious
 
NikNakTobasco
I didn’t want yesterday’s lap grinding to go to waste so I used Kie’s setup in the r8 and hit Race C. Got a what I thought was a not great qualy of 1.45.8 but surprisingly saw me start fourth and 2nd in DR A. Some amazing racing and so happy to be back. The tuning is a bit silly - 15 R8s on the grid. What I will say is that the R8 is really nice to drive with this setup and I wouldn’t go near it stock. Not sure what to make of that.
But anyway, how about some great racing. Very clean and respectful, bump drafting and fuel saving playing a big role. People are clearly still getting used to the physics. Quite a few spins. To be honest I was able to run my own race nice and smooth and just bring it home. So good to be back!
@Sven Jurgens i completely get your reticence, But using those settings and that car there’s some great racing here.
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I'll keep boycotting it until BoP races show up. I'm not interested in copying any setups to be able to race. Instead racing at Bathurst in GT Sport is pretty decent today. It took a couple laps to get back the much nicer GT Sport physics. I was completely off at first after GT7. Braking too late, turning in too early, 2:11 laps, and then back down to 2:02 laps at the end. At least it comes back quick.

So much nicer to be able to push the car without fear and concentrate on race tactics instead of keeping the car aligned with the track. But beware, track edges are slippery in GTS. In GT7 you can go a bit wide at the top of the hill without issues, it's a death sentence in GTS.
 
Stilva
Yeah, I know a meta would show up. I thought there would be a few different cars that would be viable for Daytona.
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The Aliens are always gonna find that one car that just excels at a given track, even if it’s only by half a tenth, no matter what, Aliens are always gonna Alien. Look at it more like this, when there becomes a Meta car, just think of it as a one make race, it’s pure driver vs driver racing then. The tuning does sway that a little bit, but I don’t think it’s as much as most people think. :)
 
so many smooth brain takes from people who have been here long enough to make like 5 total comments on this forum...or they created an account just to complain about other people complaining. really high brow stuff guys.
 
If their gonna go back to BoP, it would need to be done per class, per track, or it will just be GTS all over again. As far as I know, iRacing does their BoP per track, and Meta cars still end up popping up each week. But the rest of the cars are much closer that way, and that’s with fine tuning/setups allowed.
 
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Balnews
Some people will claim they have no time to tune or learn tuning. But they have enough time to be moaning about it in the forums.
Makes no sense. Lol
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I’ve got time I just can’t be bothered and I’m not really mechanically inclined and don’t really understand it tbh. Even if I did there’d definitely be people better at it than me so would have to copy them anyway.
 
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Balnews
Some people will claim they have no time to tune or learn tuning. But they have enough time to be moaning about it in the forums.
Makes no sense. Lol
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Got to do something while waiting for the next GT Sport race to start, 4 more minutes to moan and whine :dopey:

Ruii_1
Is the cross-gen really working? I dont't think it is
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Not for sport mode. The one advantage of GT7 sport mode on PS5 is that the races start 2 minutes faster than in GT Sport. PS5 isn't waiting for PS4 players to load the race.
 
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Winnie847
whatever Sven you're just a BoP boy with kids who thinks he's better than everyone else :D:dunce:
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Yeah that comment was a bit over the top lol 😅 I just hope all players can take it calm and patient for a while at least (includes me lol), I am sure PD gets it together. How soon, hopefully next week, if PD play it well. Next update/patch better fix the existing glitches and bugs, and not create any new ones.. PD, we've had enough of GT7 memes for now, allright 😁

Next week, I hope and I find this scenario realistic:

Daily A similar to GTS, no tuning. Daily B tuning sports car race with either PP or power/weight, taken into account VGT and other potential OP cars (Trail Mountain please 😇). Daily C gr3 BOP race, setups or not, no tuning.
 
The way I see it, PD has 3 very legitimate options in regards to the Gr.3 and Gr.4 races (leave group 1 and group 2 BOP only; make all road cars tuning and setup enabled)


  • BOP per circuit so many more cars have a decent shot at competing
  • offer preset tunes like ACC. It works great.... and you can alter them if you want...but most don't
  • Let us upload tunes from the leaderboards. Case and point, almost everyone in top split European Region was using Kie's tune today.


To be honest, I'm tired of seeing meta cars every race...tuning allowed or BOP. It's almost always the same. To me, doing a BOP per track is probably the easiest option for PD to accomplish
 
Stilva
Could I buy the Corvette and be somewhat competitive for Race C? I don't want to waste credits on a car that can't run with the meta R8 field from what I've read here so far. I'm still a bit unsure on the tuning in general, but I can at least try that out this week in qualifying and see what works. I just don't want to be so far behind the field where I'm by myself.
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Don't buy the Corvette, you win it for getting all gold on one of the missions. 3rd one I believe.
 

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