GT7 Daily Race Discussion
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- TechnoIsLove
That's a very impressive time mate, especially driving an Alfa! Best I could do driving it was a 1:20:9 lol. I REALLY wanted to get a faster time than you just so I could post "Challenge accepted 🤣" but you did an awesome job 😎😎 Well done sir 🎉
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It is so demoralizing to not be able to get faster. I so desperately want to compete with y'all in race B who can do 3:20s and 3:19s but I simply can't. No matter how many laps I do. I see why only 14% of players have even done a single sport mode race. This is so demoralizing and kind of not fun. There isn't any other option because the only DRs that matter are A tier and up due to the penalty system being an absolute joke and no one playing. Anything less than A DR is mixed lobbies and bumper cars.
I'm going to keep trying for a week or so to get faster, but if I can't I'll just quit. I don't mind being at my mid B DR, I do mind bumper cars due to the trash penalty system and mixed lobbies. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, mixed lobbies because no one is playing, no one is playing because mixed lobbies make it not fun.
How am I so terrible I'm 3 seconds a lap off y'all, and like 7 seconds a lap off the top time. 7 seconds is an enormous gap. That's like someone hits a wall kind of gap. How can I possibly be that far off. So demoralizing. Sorry for the rant. I think I can do the racing lines and braking points, the braking itself is freaking impossible with this g29. I have like half an inch of travel to that rubber thing. Trail braking is super hard.
I'm going to keep trying for a week or so to get faster, but if I can't I'll just quit. I don't mind being at my mid B DR, I do mind bumper cars due to the trash penalty system and mixed lobbies. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, mixed lobbies because no one is playing, no one is playing because mixed lobbies make it not fun.
How am I so terrible I'm 3 seconds a lap off y'all, and like 7 seconds a lap off the top time. 7 seconds is an enormous gap. That's like someone hits a wall kind of gap. How can I possibly be that far off. So demoralizing. Sorry for the rant. I think I can do the racing lines and braking points, the braking itself is freaking impossible with this g29. I have like half an inch of travel to that rubber thing. Trail braking is super hard.
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D driver here, so my free advice is probably worth all you paid for it...
As mentioned, I found time by watching YT videos of people better than me. There are a lot of barely noticeable things being done other than braking points. When are they trail braking, when are they overlapping, are they short shifting certain exits?
I drive the circuit slowly until I get to know it. I frequently find little things about the track I want to avoid or exploit, and they are not noticed at race speed.
I found time by making incremental changes in my hardware - mostly braking sensitivity so far.
Load my ghost and follow it - this is where I shave tenths by seeing where I am faster and slower. I can try something different in each turn and compare it to my top lap.
Watch race replays, especially faster drivers in the same car.
Exceed track limits- the game does not always penalize track limits. I say this not as an encouragement to do so, but rather a reason why someone as slow as I ends up on pole after making a mistake, sending it through the grass, missing a complete set of turns, then winding up on pole for my QT??
Drive a variety of cars. Some may disagree, but in the RW, I get faster after playing with my friend's toys. I can't see my car's strengths and weaknesses if I have yet to drive other cars. It also helps in racing if I have experience with a car against which I am racing.
Turn off assists - this move made me slower at first, but now I can see a big difference if I accidentally leave my TC set to 1 rather than 0. Mostly it seems to influence exit speed.
Change views - I am slower in cockpit view than bumper view (but I like cockpit view because it feels more immersive).
Probably very controversial - but I also turn off all the other game assists like braking zone, brake markers, etc. My motivation is to use sim racing to get faster in the RW, so all that stuff is turned off. Once I did, I realized that every circuit has its own braking zone markers in the form of rubber on the circuit. It took me very little time to become accustomed to no braking assists.
Look long - this is probably the single easiest thing for me to correct when I am off the pace. Head follows eyes, body follows head. Focus my eyes on where I want to be, make my head move to that focal point, and my body will follow - meaning all the little motions in my arms and legs are almost on a pulley-system with my eyes.
I frequently warm up driving unreasonably fast cars on tight circuits. Then when I get into a slower car to qualify, it feels like slow motion and I am able to better anticipate.
Hope this helps and remember - it's supposed to be fun!
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Search for @Tidgney driving school on YouTube. It’s a great, practical guide on how to drive fast(er). You’ll get there, but there are some techniques (like trail braking) you need to develop to do it.
I’d also suggest that if you’re using a modded G29, you use the in-game calibration tool to check that it’s actually responding properly. I had an ongoing issue with auto calibration on my TM pedals.
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I've done everything you say other than these two. I do play in cockpit. I'm not sure it hurts me but I can try to switch. I've basically all but compensated for being in cockpit view. I still hit apexes and such. However, if I don't try something else I'll never know. I do play TC 3 so perhaps there is something there. I don't have any other assists on as you mention in that last quoted point.
One thing I'm not doing is manual transmission. You did mention that. in race B there is that one corner where you slow to almost a stop and it's more than 90 degrees. I think auto transmission hurts me a lot there because I can't seem to get it to downshift the one extra gear I need to be in a higher RPM and get better drive. Probably the TC thing in combination with that hurts me here.
I'll try these thing, but yea if I don't see progress I might give up. I can see the fun. I know this can be fun. It's just not fun in DR B or lower due to the other racers. On occasion I get some clean races when I'm in the top 5 and it's like this teaser letting me know, hey, if you were just a little faster, this could be every race.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I may try to do something with my g29 brake as well. It's just not granular enough to brake consistently.
Will do. I did look at his guide for the track and that's what got me where I am but I'm still 3 seconds off him so yea maybe I'll watch his more instructional videos.
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Modify the G29. I used an aftermarket spring and drilled some holes in the rubber block. It makes a huge difference.
As far as the Daily race issues - I hear ya. I’ve done 1 B race and 2 C races this week. I’m done. Even in all B/S lobbies it’s impossible to have a clean race. I made little effort to set a good qualy time in C so I started in the back. I made it up to 8th in the first race and proceeded to get murdered in the chicane. Back to the back of the pack. Just terrible.
Got punted in the esses during my second race. Almost rage quit, but decided to keep cool and see what I could do. Tire/pit strategy worked in my favor compared to the others in the backmarker zone. Finished 11th. Decent result, but still frustrating to say the least.
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Where I am at now, my issue is really only the top 5 people usually have the race pace I do. I'm that oddball whose qualifying time is the same as his race pace. So while they qualify faster than me, I am normally much faster than them in the actual race. I'm also much more consistent. At least at my current tier of driving. So unless I'm mixed in with the top 5 (very rare), it's not really a "race' so much as trying to not get pushed off by the guy behind using me as a shield from the gravel. That's more my point. I want to get faster not to be some uber driver, just to get out of the bumper car tier of racers. So every race can be more like those rare races where I'm in a pack of racers and we're all keeping it clean. THAT is so much fun, but it's SO RARE at B DR and lower.
All the most respectful racers seem to have also taken the time to get fast as well. So if one wants to have mostly clean races then you have to get good or deal with 90% of the grid exploiting the penalty system. Frankly, I don't even care about winning heh. I just like the competitive racing part.
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The 911 is a tricky beast, and I love it! The lift-off oversteer is awesome for this track, but that hairpin is tough. @Giz WCR-666 and @ubistonk are right: don’t steer too much, and don’t entirely let off the throttle. What I’m experimenting with is this (take it for what it’s worth from a low A driver): the camber of the turn is wonky on the inside, so I take the hairpin a little bit deep with an early apex and let the lift-off carry the car around in a hurry in first gear. Don’t entirely let off the throttle and increase gradually as you swing around, and as soon as you are pointed in the right direction mash it. Use the overrun strip on the right. The car will skip a bit over the dip on the inside of the turn. What’s been happening for me, and this is the part I’m honing, which a that I’ll feel the car start to slip right as I accelerate, and the twitch helps the tires bite and stabilize the car. I’m not consistent yet, but I’m gaining time this way. The little slide is a bit frightening until you get confident with where it catches. I only do this in quali laps, by the way, because as soon as I high point that turn everyone dives to the inside and passes me.
That Ferrari is fun! Thanks for the heads up. But I can’t find the 2 seconds I need yet to beat my Porsche time.
You may have said this before, but I’m not sure how much experience you have in racing. I’ve only been at it for 9 months, and the learning curve is steep. I got a better wheel and load fell pedals, which make the most difference. I spend most of my time in the B range, but I’m now consistently in A lobbies. It’s frustrating being the back marker, but I learn a WHOLE LOT by watching the good racers in front of me. Run as many quali laps as you can stand. I spend hours at the beginning of the week. As @HickOnACrick said, take the laps slow and find the idiosyncrasies of the track, and build up speed over several laps. Muscle memory matters in the race. I’m no master by any means, but I’ve worked through the same struggles you’re having and it will get better!
Just avoid the Christmas drivers! It’ll be lobbies full of every 12-year-old who just got the game and are trying it out or the first time!!! 😜
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- TechnoIsLove
Jumped into my 2nd account and man, what the heck?! First to admit wasn't my best drive but the winner literally pushed and shoved everyone in front to do so!
I nearly spun after he almost pitted me and he could have easily avoided contact. Dropped to 6th but finished 3rd.
@Leon Kowalski .... Sorry bro 🤣 Couldn't resist 😇 Given I did it in the meta so not really a reason to celebrate as I'm still 0.8s slower than you in an Alfa!
I nearly spun after he almost pitted me and he could have easily avoided contact. Dropped to 6th but finished 3rd.
@Leon Kowalski .... Sorry bro 🤣 Couldn't resist 😇 Given I did it in the meta so not really a reason to celebrate as I'm still 0.8s slower than you in an Alfa!
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WHOA WHOA WHOA man, TC3!!!!!!!!!! TURN THAT OFF. Jesus H man, why on earth do you need more than TC1? Even then, the AWD cars, absolutely zero need for TC. That is costing you a SOLID 2+ seconds a lap, i absolutely guarantee it. All you need is ABS and maaaaaybe the counter steer assist, everything else has to be off.
Also it is a long lap, on a normal track your gap to the top would be half what it is at St Croix.
For the love of god though, turn off TC, it's an absolute PUNISH in this game, robs you of time.
Also it is a long lap, on a normal track your gap to the top would be half what it is at St Croix.
For the love of god though, turn off TC, it's an absolute PUNISH in this game, robs you of time.
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I'll try that after work today heh. Not sure why I left it on. I put the assists on the most difficult setting and I think that is still TC 3 for some reason. I'll report back with results. Currently at 3:23:9. I'll do TC 0 first and see what I can do, then I'll finally try to learn manual transmission. I'm like nearly certain there is one part of the track where auto trans is costing me almost half a second.
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Some advice from me. Try gradually reducing/ removing assists and you'll improve massively. Mind you, I still use ABS but do like 15 or 20 laps with your current settings then, for example, remove braking or steering assist or turn TC down by 1 and repeat.
Will take (at least for me) a hundred laps until you ween yourself off assists, and you should notice a positive improvement towards the end of each setup, but it's totally worth it!
Managing a 3:23 with those assists already shows your a good driver. You'll manage to get in the 3:21s within a day of practicing!
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Nah he can turn TC off in the AWD cars, you can't lose the Nissan if you try, it is so planted. There's what, 20 corners? If he's losing a tenth per corner to TC that's 2 seconds.
yes manual tranny helps but I am auto and fighting in top splits, it's traction control, absolutely killing you.
yes manual tranny helps but I am auto and fighting in top splits, it's traction control, absolutely killing you.
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I have a thread about switching to TC0 from the summer at some point. Go dig it up for some good advice. The only way I was able to turn it all the way off was to grind out a hundred races at the Sardegna 800 or whatever it is. It pays really well, so it’s worth the effort. You’ll spin out EVERY SINGLE TIME for a while, so don’t do it on your time trials. You’ll learn better throttle control which will eventually make you even better! I’m betting that this will be your most frustrating transition, but it is the best thing I learned. Once you get it, you’ll never look back. Just be patient, and don’t quit! It’ll be a “one step back, two steps forward” process.
If you can learn manual transmission at the same time, do it! It only takes a few los to feel natural, so as long as you’ll be regressing a bit with TC0 you may as well add MT to your arsenal as well.
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I understand that if you're driving a car that will not lose traction, you won't get any benefit from traction control.
Similarly, in that case, TCS won't activate. If the car can accelerate with perfect grip, you should be able to run identical lap times with TCS 0 and TCS 5.
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How much quicker did it make you out of curiosity?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO way man. Group 3, Supra, Z4, 911, Mclaren and Group 4 AWD cars have PLANTED rear ends and I lose mountains of time on TC1. It activates all the way through turn 2 at Interlagos, not just on exit but ALL the way through, it's insanely aggressive. Absolute time suck of the highest order.
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If you mean the silver GTR, I think this was a mistake on his part and not intentional. For the entire first lap and during the corner before the bump it looked like he was giving you space. It stinks for sure, but it also didn't look intentional. You also didn't give him a ton of room on that corner to the point where he likely was close to a penalty for cutting. So because of his sharp angle it was always going to be a wide exit.
EDIT: I'll trade you my race pace if you trade me your qualifying time haha!
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Agree, you need a LOT of faith to go on the outside there, trusting that the man inside will not accidently drift wide, takes a lot of skill. I tap the brakes and try to undercut on exit instead.
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He defended the inside well so couldn't try the early brake and switch. Could be it was an accident but he pushed 2 more further ahead during the same race to get P1..
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Oh yea, every thing AFTER the bump was dirty. So in some ways maybe you were lucky for missing out on the intentional stuff lol. Could be once he saw first in sight he "went for it".
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Hi Gauge Forever
A couple of thoughts from a similarly ranked driver (mid B).
If you are going to go off TSC 3 down to 1 and then 0 then Gr4 is the best place to do it. If you start in gr3 it will be discouraging as the inputs in most of the Gr3 cars, as you know, are way more sensitive. It is way better to build confidence with just ABS in Gr4, and feel when you are losing the car. Your inputs will get smoother by necessity and you will soon not even think about the fact you are on TSC 0, and you will be faster because of the smoother inputs.
Don't let one track get you down. You are not going to have the same % difference from the top players on every track. There are some tracks I can run really well and at and others I don't. St Croix has (1) a ton of mid to high speed turns and (2) 4 or 5 or 6?? spots were exit speed coming onto a long stretch is critical. The very best players are better in all aspects, but it is not hard to tell when you are following an alien ghost that where they really kick ass is exit speed onto long straights and the lines and speed and smoothness maintained in mid to high speed turns. So, in many ways, St Croix allows the best drivers to have even more separation from the rest of us middle of the pack folks because the layout plays into what they are the best at. Everyone is different but for me I lose more time on exit speed than any other single flaw.
When you are practicing moving from TSC3 to TSC 2 to 1 to 0 do so in you fav car on you fav track. It will give you confidence because you know the tricky spots and you know where you can and can't be aggressive on the throttle. What you may find as that a couple of "new" spots pop up at TSC 0 where you used to just smash the throttle early but now need to be more controlled and smooth. Pretty soon that info gets logged in you head and you will not even be thinking about it. And because you have been forced to be smoother in both braking, trail braking and accelerating, you will get faster.
So, at least IMO, the assists not only slow cars down mechanically, they slow driver improvement progress down as well because the assists mitigate some of our driving flaws, that, if we had the feedback the car and track gives us at TSC 0, we would have to fix ourselves.
PS. I use TSC 1 on almost all gr3 cars.. scared of snap oversteer....lol
Stick with it.
A couple of thoughts from a similarly ranked driver (mid B).
If you are going to go off TSC 3 down to 1 and then 0 then Gr4 is the best place to do it. If you start in gr3 it will be discouraging as the inputs in most of the Gr3 cars, as you know, are way more sensitive. It is way better to build confidence with just ABS in Gr4, and feel when you are losing the car. Your inputs will get smoother by necessity and you will soon not even think about the fact you are on TSC 0, and you will be faster because of the smoother inputs.
Don't let one track get you down. You are not going to have the same % difference from the top players on every track. There are some tracks I can run really well and at and others I don't. St Croix has (1) a ton of mid to high speed turns and (2) 4 or 5 or 6?? spots were exit speed coming onto a long stretch is critical. The very best players are better in all aspects, but it is not hard to tell when you are following an alien ghost that where they really kick ass is exit speed onto long straights and the lines and speed and smoothness maintained in mid to high speed turns. So, in many ways, St Croix allows the best drivers to have even more separation from the rest of us middle of the pack folks because the layout plays into what they are the best at. Everyone is different but for me I lose more time on exit speed than any other single flaw.
When you are practicing moving from TSC3 to TSC 2 to 1 to 0 do so in you fav car on you fav track. It will give you confidence because you know the tricky spots and you know where you can and can't be aggressive on the throttle. What you may find as that a couple of "new" spots pop up at TSC 0 where you used to just smash the throttle early but now need to be more controlled and smooth. Pretty soon that info gets logged in you head and you will not even be thinking about it. And because you have been forced to be smoother in both braking, trail braking and accelerating, you will get faster.
So, at least IMO, the assists not only slow cars down mechanically, they slow driver improvement progress down as well because the assists mitigate some of our driving flaws, that, if we had the feedback the car and track gives us at TSC 0, we would have to fix ourselves.
PS. I use TSC 1 on almost all gr3 cars.. scared of snap oversteer....lol
Stick with it.
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I just cannot fathom how you lose it with the AWD cars unless you intentionally ride a kerb and chuck it. They are so planted.
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Don't quit, dude. We've ALL been there. GT7 is the first of the GT series I started playing online. I've gone from the lowest rank to A+. I also use a G29 and honestly, really like the wheel. The brakes are probably the system's biggest weakness but they're usable for sure. No offense, but it's often the Indian and not the arrow.
IMO, you just need to practice. Like everything else in the world it just takes time and practice. Learn to drive with the TC off if you can; it's costing you a chunk of time, especially since you're on a wheel and not controller. Work work work on your qualifying times. The races with people up front are often much cleaner and more fun than the mid/rear pack. It's a cluster back there and it's only killing your races/DR. Check out some YTers* who do track guides and try to replicate them the best you can. Spend the first half of the week just working on your quali times, then go into the races.
*I prefer Digit: https://www.youtube.com/@DigitGamingDG
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- nukewells_OG
I just want to emphasize this some more. You can watch all the videos you want, and drive the perfect line, but you will still be a couple seconds off pace at most tracks with anything but TC0. You are better off finding a car you can drive without TC, than you are using the meta with TC1.
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- sturk0167
It just doesn't seem right to have the semi-annual traction control discussion without @Groundfish here. 
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LOL I miss him! In saying that, GTS was VERY different from GT7, there's just no way to compete with A rated drivers even using TC1, no way, it's so, so intrusive. In group 3 I only use the Supra, Z4, McLaren and 911 because I cannot drive the rest without TC and the moment i turn it on I get absolutely SLAUGHTERED.It just doesn't seem right to have the semi-annual traction control discussion without @Groundfish here.
