GT7 Daily Race Discussion
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- Buffalo, NY
- Stilva
What a difference a day makes. I had 2 actual good and respectful races tonight. I feel so much better about my experience as compared to yesterday. I didn't set a better time in my short practice session so still at my 1:25.9XX.
Race one has me in P9 this time. The race starts and there is a gaggle of cars all fighting for position and I stay out of it the best I can. I checked up before the final chicane and everyone behind me did as well. I was shocked I wasn't punted into oblivion. I do make incidental contact when a bunch of drivers go all over the place entering turn 2/3 on the next lap. Of course everyone takes evasive action and I had no where to go. Naturally, the person I hit tried to spin me as I drove through the mess but failed. I find a good rhythm and finish P5. Everyone behind me were fighting so much I had a 7 second lead in the end so no real threat to my spot.
Race 2 has me in P5 this time and it was one of the best races I've had in this game. Some good clean racing from the front of the pack as we broke away from the rest of the field. On the end of lap 5, P3 defends the final chicane beautifully, but I get a great run out of it make make a pass coming out of turn 12. I make sure not to squeeze the other driver this time. I hold them off until the final chicane where I go too deep! They get by, cleanly mind you, and I finish P4. They thank me for the race and I do the same. This is the experience I'm looking for. Fantastic all around.
I'm going to get out while the getting is good and be done for the week. I can't tempt fate and risk another set of bad races where I get unlucky. This was a great combo and I can't wait until it shows up again. Knowing this game, it'll be 3 weeks or so. Road Atlanta has become one of my favorite tracks to race on and I'm glad that it was added to the game.
Race one has me in P9 this time. The race starts and there is a gaggle of cars all fighting for position and I stay out of it the best I can. I checked up before the final chicane and everyone behind me did as well. I was shocked I wasn't punted into oblivion. I do make incidental contact when a bunch of drivers go all over the place entering turn 2/3 on the next lap. Of course everyone takes evasive action and I had no where to go. Naturally, the person I hit tried to spin me as I drove through the mess but failed. I find a good rhythm and finish P5. Everyone behind me were fighting so much I had a 7 second lead in the end so no real threat to my spot.
Race 2 has me in P5 this time and it was one of the best races I've had in this game. Some good clean racing from the front of the pack as we broke away from the rest of the field. On the end of lap 5, P3 defends the final chicane beautifully, but I get a great run out of it make make a pass coming out of turn 12. I make sure not to squeeze the other driver this time. I hold them off until the final chicane where I go too deep! They get by, cleanly mind you, and I finish P4. They thank me for the race and I do the same. This is the experience I'm looking for. Fantastic all around.
I'm going to get out while the getting is good and be done for the week. I can't tempt fate and risk another set of bad races where I get unlucky. This was a great combo and I can't wait until it shows up again. Knowing this game, it'll be 3 weeks or so. Road Atlanta has become one of my favorite tracks to race on and I'm glad that it was added to the game.
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- Australia
I think it matters a great deal whether they're malicious or not. Your "crap driving" is my "oops I made a mistake". They're not the same as "I am going to take this guy/gal out of the race". Have you never made a mistake that's resulted in someone else's race being impacted? Have you always, without fail, waited for them?
I suspect you and I are similar in terms of where we sit in the overall scheme of things (I'm currently low A+ but have been as high as 70k DR). I see this stuff all the time in Asia lobbies too. I'm routinely matched with B/B drivers at the moment. Sometimes it gets to me, but mostly I just view it as part of the challenge of daily racing. I could let it define me as a driver, but what good would that do? Instead I just accept that I, and everyone else, make mistakes.
I posted earlier that this week's Race B is a strange one because there seem to be so many "unicorn" qualifiers. Is that why you find yourself behind these drivers? I can wholeheartedly recommend putting some time into qualifying if so. My 1:24.7 now has me in the top 5 on most grids and I can avoid most of the chaos agents.
Philosophically speaking, some of the best advice I've ever received is to focus on the things you can control and accept the things you can't. To do otherwise often leads to anger, frustration and ultimately an unhealthy headspace.
hollowkatt
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- 593
- United States
ngl I'm incredibly hype for the inevitable GR.3 racing at Road Atlanta. I'm going to suck and suffer but my god stringing together that one good lap is going to feel so goodWhat a difference a day makes. I had 2 actual good and respectful races tonight. I feel so much better about my experience as compared to yesterday. I didn't set a better time in my short practice session so still at my 1:25.9XX.
Race one has me in P9 this time. The race starts and there is a gaggle of cars all fighting for position and I stay out of it the best I can. I checked up before the final chicane and everyone behind me did as well. I was shocked I wasn't punted into oblivion. I do make incidental contact when a bunch of drivers go all over the place entering turn 2/3 on the next lap. Of course everyone takes evasive action and I had no where to go. Naturally, the person I hit tried to spin me as I drove through the mess but failed. I find a good rhythm and finish P5. Everyone behind me were fighting so much I had a 7 second lead in the end so no real threat to my spot.
Race 2 has me in P5 this time and it was one of the best races I've had in this game. Some good clean racing from the front of the pack as we broke away from the rest of the field. On the end of lap 5, P3 defends the final chicane beautifully, but I get a great run out of it make make a pass coming out of turn 12. I make sure not to squeeze the other driver this time. I hold them off until the final chicane where I go too deep! They get by, cleanly mind you, and I finish P4. They thank me for the race and I do the same. This is the experience I'm looking for. Fantastic all around.
I'm going to get out while the getting is good and be done for the week. I can't tempt fate and risk another set of bad races where I get unlucky. This was a great combo and I can't wait until it shows up again. Knowing this game, it'll be 3 weeks or so. Road Atlanta has become one of my favorite tracks to race on and I'm glad that it was added to the game.
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- Australia
- Gizmohawk-
say youre walking along & you see some dog poop & you step in it.. after stepping in it, you realise its not a very good experience. its not fun, everything gets messy & you really dont enjoy it at all.
10min later, youre walking along & see some dog poop & you step in it.. after stepping in it, you again realise its not a very good experience. again its not fun, everything gets messy & you really dont enjoy it at all, again.
15min later, youre walking along & see some dog poop.. now armed with the knowledge of what constantly happened in the past, you decide to step around the nasty poop & carry on enjoying your day.
Daily races will always be a **** fight. 💩
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- Michigan
- KosmoKazi
Ok thanks for the explanation.
I guess that’s what PD should put in the ads for the game then. Because that’s the experience.
That’s my point.
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- Gizmohawk-
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- KosmoKazi
Sod off with that logic.
And the point I'm making is that if what you say "Daily races will always be a **** fight. 💩" (you love your fecal analogies, I guess... god, what I am even debating with you here?) ...if that's so... then I'm pretty sure the game developers missed the mark and are creating an environment different than what they'd like, and what is possible.
These things are happening in the top split in the US. This is as good as it gets, seemingly. So if that's really how it is, then they need to fix it.
FOR EXAMPLE: FIX THE GD BoP ALREADY!
Part of the problem in the higher ranks is that the META is so META, there is not really as much racecraft skill to reward because people are conditioned to force the issue when everyone is so close. And drives the same, because the META needs to be driven the same, compared to 18 different manufacturers' cars and their relative differences, plusses/minuses. THAT'S FUN. And... I'll offer: WHAT THE GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE. PD are screwing it up.
AND:
Get rid of the no-SR/DR update Race A format... it's just conditioning people to drive without consequence and then they progress to B and C races with the same habits. It has to be. That's a notable change, and it's in line with the degradation to the gameplay. Figure it out... do the math... you see?
PD sent out two surveys about how people enjoy the game and feel after playing it. If you think that I'm off base here, think again. They likely are continuing to monitor it and see what works best, to improve the gameplay and experience, and to IMPROVE BUSINESS. So what I'm sharing here is my experience and perspective. Dismiss it, that's fine. I'll say the same to you. If you don't agree or care what I think, why comment back? Quit trolling.
And as for whether it matters if the issues with other drivers are on purpose or not... it doesn't in the point I'm making. too many of them, whether intentional or not (it doesn't matter... all drivers have a responsibility to play fair and play within their skills, and more the point: it doesn't matter because when I'm facing the barrier after yet another incident not of my doing, which has happened over and over... I think with about 2000 online races behind me, I know what I'm doing and seeing out there, btw) when that happens, the consequence to me is the same, and PD need to take some actions to fix it or it's dead. They can have all the wreckfest crossover drivers, and the same top 30 drivers to compete in the finals each year at the top, but it's a joke now.
GrumpyOldMan
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- Southern California
- dagware
If you wonder what LA Traffic is like, check out this 35 second clip. NOTE: This is kind-of an experimental video, since it shows both forward and rear views at the same time. I'm not sure if it helps, hinders, or what. But I thought it'd be a fun experiment.
And here's a 30 second video showing how to throw away 2 positions in the last 5 seconds of a race. Oh, the drama!
And here's a 30 second video showing how to throw away 2 positions in the last 5 seconds of a race. Oh, the drama!
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hollowkatt
(Banned)
- 593
- United States
so what you're saying is "don't do daily races because it's a poop experience" as opposed to finding out who's leaving the poop and having them do something about it, and if that doesn't work going to enforcement authorities to have them do something about it at a wholesale level. got it
for legal purposes this is a joke
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- Gizmohawk-
at least someone doesnt take things so seriously!! 🤣
hollowkatt
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- United States
have you tried not living in LA?
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- Australia
I broadly agree that BoP in group 4 needs to be addressed to make racing more interesting and to avoid the habits created by driving AWD cars exclusively, but the incident I commented on earlier was between a WRX and a 155 and partly caused by the difference in these cars. So I don't think the problems you're posting are caused by the existence of a META. I've had some absolutely incredible races at Road Atlanta this week where the first 4 or 5 drivers, all Subies, have driven within 2 seconds of each other all race, changing positions with only very minor, incidental contact. All respectful, all competitive to the point where it's been genuinely disappointing when one of them drops off the group for whatever reason (usually track limit penalties, and often me
).I don't agree that Race A is causing bad behaviour. I'd bet good money that many of the people wrecking in B or C have never set foot in an A lobby.
I have no doubt you're a fine driver (I think we may have raced in some World Series races on my NA alt) but in the incident I commented on, the contact at turn 3 was an accident waiting to happen. You were carrying way less speed through T1 and then braked very early for T3, it's not unreasonable that guy could come on here, show the footage from the S/F line to turn 3 and complain about how crap driving is ruining his experience. (As an aside, am I the only one who isn't seeing your brake lights in these replays?) As for the hit from the dude who ran wide on exit, what do you want done about that? It sucks and, sure, a penalty for him makes sense but it doesn't help your race. It's hard to see how any system (other than aggressive ghosting) weeds a genuine error like that out.
Also, it might just be me, but some of your posting is coming off as pretty aggressive and, dare I say, entitled. I think we can all sympathise with the frustration of being the victim of incidents, and I'm sure most of us on here have vented at times, but the "I'm always right, everyone else is wrong" attitude isn't very constructive.
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- Buffalo, NY
- Stilva
I can't wait for that as well. The Gr.1 race will be chaos if whenever it happens.
- 405
- Houston, TX
- TheOneDonJuan
My first win in B rank! Hadn't won a race in forever so super stoked. Wish my pace was a little better in the race (low 1:57s) but happy I was able to actually get a victory.
- 1,720
- Australia
Has anyone else noticed that since the last update you sometimes appear in lobbies well after the practice timer has started? There have been several recently where my lobby loads with only 10 seconds of warm-up left. It doesn’t leave much time to select tyres.
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- Australia
- Gizmohawk-
i noticed that with other people, but only in the past couple of days
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- United Kingdom
- bone_tone
Used to be like that for me, but recently I've been the first to appear in most races!
- 1,276
- Germany
I've only noticed that since the November update I seem to have connection issues. On the first grid panel I appear with four or five green bars, and when the screen changes to the next panel it drops to one red dot and stays like this for the whole race. Next race: exactly the same. Always. Every single race.
It hasn't affected anything I've seen or done in the races, though. Everything feels normal there. So I don't even know if it's really a connection thing or just a display issue.
GrumpyOldMan
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- Southern California
- dagware
Technically I live in Orange County, not LA, but the point is the same. And yes, I've lived other places. For us, the plusses outweigh the minuses. But that doesn't mean we can't complain about the minuses!
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- Grand_Slammin
Funny, I’ve been trying the same strategy in reverse: I start P7 and finish P15 in every single race! 🤡So, I have found out that I'm not very good at any of this week's races.
I'm still gonna race, because I like to do it.
What I'm doing is starting at the back, and driving all the cars that I know are bad, and trying to not finish last. So, I've created my own race within the race, and 15th position is the prize. 🥇
That's what you call racing for fun, and not for the DR ratings.
Seriously! I ran a perfectly clean race last night, ran the first lap with no position changes, pitted in P8, and ran the rest of the race with no position changes, and finished P15?! How is this even possible? Am I sitting in the pits twice as long as everyone else?!
Agreed. Thanks for that, and I hope to see you on the track again. I’m trying to learn from better drivers, but I can’t always decide who they are or if they’re just being more aggressive than good....we are more than square. I never meant to make you or this incident a specific topic, it was just as you said, one in the series and an example of what has been the norm 9 out of 10 times since the holidays. Not exaggerating. And I know that you didn't mean any of what happened maliciously, I never meant to imply that. It was just, as has been described already, the kind of mistake that we all have made, and it seemed to me that I was on the wrong end of it way too many times in a row, in the few chances I've had to enjoy the game with real life getting in the way of my hobbies and supposed stress outlets lately. Thanks for accepting my friend request, I am geniuinely happy to connect.
I did manage to get through T1 last night, but to do it I had to lose a couple spots. The thing with this race is that once the sorting happens in the first four turns, the race is over. There is no actual pit strategy because the positions have already been set. Except somehow I keep losing a handful of positions in the pit that I can’t explain…
I’m with you on this. The BoP is not “balanced” at all. I’ve often thought about how fun it would be to have races where driving style or car characteristics would factor into the race. I think it would do everyone some good to race with different cars with different braking points and turn-in points in order to learn some racecraft. The meta races are simply reinforcing “brake here, jam on the gas there, and get out of my way if you aren’t doing the same” crap attitudes.
Unfortunates, I don’t really think they are trying to improve business because they’ve already sold the game. I’m not sure they can do anything to improve sales at this point, and it doesn’t feel like they really care about what a survey is telling them. I hope I’m wrong, but . . .
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- Western Sahara
A very real problem which is highlighted this week in race b is the pinball physics. You often end up with chain collisions instead of just a little bump and rub when there's tight racing through a corner and someone misjudges slightly.
Still fun though with tight racing in most races. With the penalties and risk Vs reward of taking the track limit lines nothing is certain till the finish line in race b.
Still fun though with tight racing in most races. With the penalties and risk Vs reward of taking the track limit lines nothing is certain till the finish line in race b.
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- 751
- Finland
It does matter. There is no fun if you are basically racing alone at the back. But when you have 3-5 others you are fighting with, even if it is for P10, then that is fine.
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For...reasons...A races are where I spend most of my time if I get the chance to race. @BenRod is often in my lobbies (and at the front). I did not know he/she was a GTP member, but (when I was fast) I had a bunch of great races with them. Now I am slotted mostly at the P10+ and am too embarrassed to even say "Hi" to those with whom I used to race.A couple more race As today. Still fun, IMO. Was able to make it through the first chicane pretty unscathed. Seems like people are getting used to this can and its braking points. Honestly, I think people are just so used to driving Gr3 cars around Monza, you just have to realize this McLaren P1 GTR is faster than a Gr3 car with less braking ability (the BoP actually increases the power and decreases the weight of the P1!). Once you learn the new braking points, it's all good. I think more people are trying it out as I've seen more A+ and A level drivers partaking. And, if nothing else, it's something different!
Been in a handful of races with @BenRod . Not sure if he still frequents this place, but if so, cheers!
I haven't touched B or C this week. Zero interest in either. I do like Road Atlanta, but after the RBR TT there followed shortly by the Manu race there (in Gr4 cars mind you) I have little interest in taking Gr4 cars around there again. And, generally speaking, Gr4 cars bore me. As far as C... it's been done. Just can't be bothered... having more fun at A. For those who haven't given A its fair shake, you're missing out.
Regardless of my reasons for entering A-races, I personally find them hilarious. The cars are frequently super twitchy with glaring deficiencies, and (I believe) my abilities are challenged more vs. the other daily race options.
It is in A-races I learned to turn of TC and ABS, trail brake, float brakes, overlap, etc...and it's like I need to relearn it every week vs. driving the same Gr3 or 4 car on a new(ish) track. I guess another way of saying it is the steeper learning curve of the A-races satisfies my internal reward system more than the other races (at this time).
And the A-race I experience on a Monday morning is often far different than the race at the end of the week. It does get cleaner as the week goes on and people figure it out.
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- United States
- Grand_Slammin
I just ran another 150 laps at NGP this morning to try to improve my quali time, and I did! By a tenth of a second . . . .
I think I’m just gonna have to admit that I’ll never, ever figure this track out. Especially when I’m getting a penalty on that damned chicane before the clock even starts running! God how many restarts do I have to do to figure it out?! And how many times have I been in the blue against my delta only to hit that chicane and either spin out or get a penalty?! I think I’m literally going insane, and yes, I mean that in the correct usage of “literal”!!!!!
I think I’m just gonna have to admit that I’ll never, ever figure this track out. Especially when I’m getting a penalty on that damned chicane before the clock even starts running! God how many restarts do I have to do to figure it out?! And how many times have I been in the blue against my delta only to hit that chicane and either spin out or get a penalty?! I think I’m literally going insane, and yes, I mean that in the correct usage of “literal”!!!!!
