GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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Bullwinkle
I just ran another 150 laps at NGP this morning to try to improve my quali time, and I did! By a tenth of a second . . . .

I think I’m just gonna have to admit that I’ll never, ever figure this track out. Especially when I’m getting a penalty on that damned chicane before the clock even starts running! God how many restarts do I have to do to figure it out?! And how many times have I been in the blue against my delta only to hit that chicane and either spin out or get a penalty?! I think I’m literally going insane, and yes, I mean that in the correct usage of “literal”!!!!!
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I hope for your sanity that you don't do the fortnightly TTs as well.
 
Nebuc72


Fantastic A and B. Really really good.

C... uhh... it's one of the races of all time. My best bet is PD didn't finish setting it up yet. Very strange.
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Gr4 at LeMans with no chicane? WTF? It's going to take 10 mins to get down that straight. GTR fest here we come. Won't be doing that one. BORING!

None of those really interest me. I love the Glen but we just did a Daily there. I'll probably give A a go but I've not even driven that Cosworth yet so no idea how it drives.

More time to practice for Manu/Nastions I guess.
 
Bullwinkle
Funny, I’ve been trying the same strategy in reverse: I start P7 and finish P15 in every single race! 🤡
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:lol:
D_Dragline
I might need to find a good book to read whilst on the straight in Race C…
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I know you're probably kidding about reading a book, but during credit grinds, I actually listen to audio books.
HickOnACrick
It is in A-races I learned to turn of TC and ABS, trail brake, float brakes, overlap, etc...and it's like I need to relearn it every week vs. driving the same Gr3 or 4 car on a new(ish) track. I guess another way of saying it is the steeper learning curve of the A-races satisfies my internal reward system more than the other races (at this time).
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Thanks for posting this. I had never thought of Race As like that.
Bullwinkle
I think I’m just gonna have to admit that I’ll never, ever figure this track out. Especially when I’m getting a penalty on that damned chicane before the clock even starts running! God how many restarts do I have to do to figure it out?!
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That is EXACTLY how I've been feeling about Atlanta this week. :cheers:
 
HickOnACrick
For...reasons...A races are where I spend most of my time if I get the chance to race. @BenRod is often in my lobbies (and at the front). I did not know he/she was a GTP member, but (when I was fast) I had a bunch of great races with them. Now I am slotted mostly at the P10+ and am too embarrassed to even say "Hi" to those with whom I used to race.

Regardless of my reasons for entering A-races, I personally find them hilarious. The cars are frequently super twitchy with glaring deficiencies, and (I believe) my abilities are challenged more vs. the other daily race options.

It is in A-races I learned to turn of TC and ABS, trail brake, float brakes, overlap, etc...and it's like I need to relearn it every week vs. driving the same Gr3 or 4 car on a new(ish) track. I guess another way of saying it is the steeper learning curve of the A-races satisfies my internal reward system more than the other races (at this time).

And the A-race I experience on a Monday morning is often far different than the race at the end of the week. It does get cleaner as the week goes on and people figure it out.
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Agreed. The road cars are more difficult to drive than the race cars, due to a number of reasons that we all already know. Thus, they are more sensitive in all the wrong (or right?) ways: throttle input, steering input, braking location, trail braking, etc. So yes, they are definitely more twitchy. That being said, it all translates back to the race cars and will help immensely. If you can drive the P1 GTR well then the Gr3 650S will be a breeze!
 
GrumpyOldMan
If you wonder what LA Traffic is like, check out this 35 second clip. NOTE: This is kind-of an experimental video, since it shows both forward and rear views at the same time. I'm not sure if it helps, hinders, or what. But I thought it'd be a fun experiment.


And here's a 30 second video showing how to throw away 2 positions in the last 5 seconds of a race. Oh, the drama!
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I'd like to know how you did that, because I'd been wanting to put two views side by side as well (in-car from two different cars at once). Thanks!
 
KosmoKazi
It doesn't matter if it was malicious. It's absolute crap driving, that's my point.

Here's my next attempt at it. Again: top split. A+ drivers throughout the field. And this guy looks like he's playing Drift Legends. FROM 7TH PLACE! So not only do I have to be careful around him and hope that I don't get held up, watch what happens when he inevitable bins it. And don't give me any suggestion how to avoid him? I put my car all the way to the right, and I kept my foot in it 100% of the time, without even a lift... and yet, he hits me, knocks me out of the race, and HE GOES ON TO 7TH PLACE. NICE SIM PD! NICE PHYSICS MODEL WHEN A CAR DRIVEN THAT WAY CAN KEEP AHEAD OF A CAR DRIVEN PROPERLY.

I give up. It's a joke.Every. Race.
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D_Dragline
I think it matters a great deal whether they're malicious or not. Your "crap driving" is my "oops I made a mistake". They're not the same as "I am going to take this guy/gal out of the race". Have you never made a mistake that's resulted in someone else's race being impacted? Have you always, without fail, waited for them?

I suspect you and I are similar in terms of where we sit in the overall scheme of things (I'm currently low A+ but have been as high as 70k DR).
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My 2c. I said it before but Kosmo needs to get on iRacing or take a breather because I cannot see things improving in GT7 given the lack of penalties for causing a crash. He's right, the guy in the video was insanely bad to still be circulating in 7th, the physics are not hard enough on guys missing apexes imho.

Now Dragline, I think you're a solid next tier guy pace wise compared to Kosmo. Kosmo is in a weird no-mans land where he is fast but not elite fast and is therefore paired with less skilled guys. If you (Dragline) qualify right, you're gone.

I will say, the moment i saw Road Atlanta enter the game I said it was going to be a horrible track for racing. I would much, much prefer Road America.

samppa_944
It does matter. There is no fun if you are basically racing alone at the back. But when you have 3-5 others you are fighting with, even if it is for P10, then that is fine.
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I've complained of this before, where I qualify "well" but then enter the top split in P15 with eight A+ drivers. You need to hit a few barriers and get your SR off 99.

Last night I started in the top split at NGP, P14, 7 of them A+ drivers. Was gonna finish 12th until i messed up and finished last. That error dropped my SR and next race was a flag to flag win vs mostly B drivers. Ideally i'd like something in the middle.
Bullwinkle
I just ran another 150 laps at NGP this morning to try to improve my quali time, and I did! By a tenth of a second . . . .

I think I’m just gonna have to admit that I’ll never, ever figure this track out. Especially when I’m getting a penalty on that damned chicane before the clock even starts running! God how many restarts do I have to do to figure it out?! And how many times have I been in the blue against my delta only to hit that chicane and either spin out or get a penalty?! I think I’m literally going insane, and yes, I mean that in the correct usage of “literal”!!!!!
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That's a lot of laps man, what time are you posting? Do a video of a good lap for us so we can help. I will nominate a few areas though.

Sector 1: This is a garbage bit of road, all of it. Cut the endless left hander as hard as you can, you need to see a 36 flat in qualy or you're off the pace.

Final Chicane: TONS of time here, TONS. I am a master at it, gaining 3 to 5 tenths on A+ guys at times. Enter early and HURL yourself over the kerbs and on the gas as you land, no rest.
 
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GOTMAXPOWER
I'm pretty sure this is the answer, it seems strange to have racing tyres but not specify which unless there is going to be changeable weather, this could actually be a really good race.
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Hmm, rain, gr4 - which 3 cars could possibly be the most use?
 
NevilleNobody
That's a lot of laps man, what time are you posting? Do a video of a good lap for us so we can help. I will nominate a few areas though.

Sector 1: This is a garbage bit of road, all of it. Cut the endless left hander as hard as you can, you need to see a 36 flat in qualy or you're off the pace.

Final Chicane: TONS of time here, TONS. I am a master at it, gaining 3 to 5 tenths on A+ guys at times. Enter early and HURL yourself over the kerbs and on the gas as you land, no rest.
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I keep forgetting to save my fastest lap. I’ll try to remember to do that soon. But maybe not too soon, given my mood. But you’re right, the first and last sectors are killing me. I wish I could just practice a few turns over and over again with BoP on so that I don’t have to run entire laps to take another crack at a weak spot, probably get a penalty, and if I happen to get a good lap have it nullified because of the penalty I had on the previous lap. This qualification process is insane!
 
Bullwinkle
I just ran another 150 laps at NGP this morning to try to improve my quali time, and I did! By a tenth of a second . . . .

I think I’m just gonna have to admit that I’ll never, ever figure this track out. Especially when I’m getting a penalty on that damned chicane before the clock even starts running! God how many restarts do I have to do to figure it out?! And how many times have I been in the blue against my delta only to hit that chicane and either spin out or get a penalty?! I think I’m literally going insane, and yes, I mean that in the correct usage of “literal”!!!!!
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Here you go

The world's most OK guide!
 
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Bullwinkle
Seriously! I ran a perfectly clean race last night, ran the first lap with no position changes, pitted in P8, and ran the rest of the race with no position changes, and finished P15?! How is this even possible? Am I sitting in the pits twice as long as everyone else?!
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Similar thing happened to me yesterday. I started on medium tires, and drove them for 8 laps before switching to hard tires.
I was in 7th place when I pitted because most of the faster drivers used hards first, and pitted early. I got way ahead of them when they stopped, but they were steadily catching up to me while I drove around on worn out mediums.
I came out of the pits in 15th. :lol:
 
"I am fast, so I will pass. If you do not let me through I will punt you out and think I am a class driver!"
"ooh. somebody is trying to pass me, let's weave in the breaking zone and spin him out after he makes a clean pass on me!"

Just some thoughts of a **** in race B today. I am done racing during the day. It's just 15 year old *****.
 
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GrumpyOldMan
I know you're probably kidding about reading a book, but during credit grinds, I actually listen to audio books.
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I get the laptop up next to the TV if I'm grinding, or if there is something I really want to watch at the same time. I raced half of the TPC events on GT Sport whilst watching live NASCAR races (with earphones in too) 😂
 
RacingGrandpa
Here you go

The world's most OK guide!
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This is a good guide but fails to mention how important some corners are. He mentions the chicane but there are two other key corners.

Start of sector 2 is like Spa after Kemmel, you need to sacrifice speed into the left hander so you can hug the kerb on the left because the right hander is peak understeer and getting a good exit is vital, way more vital than a tenth or two from going faster through the left hander.

Exact same situation after the Schumacher S, sacrifice the left hander a bit and NAIL the right hander onto the back straight. It's like arguing with your wife, pick your battles.
 
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NevilleNobody
My 2c. I said it before but Kosmo needs to get on iRacing or take a breather because I cannot see things improving in GT7 given the lack of penalties for causing a crash. He's right, the guy in the video was insanely bad to still be circulating in 7th, the physics are not hard enough on guys missing apexes imho.
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THANK YOU. You get my point. It doesn't matter if the guy was driving like crap and caused a problem or whether it was on purpose. The wrong behaviors and results are being credited in the DR system and penalizing other people unfairly.

People are being rewarded for crap driving and not punished for it, and other people are getting caught out in it and it's hurting their rating. That means we get matched with people 'wrong' and it means that clean drivers are not as easily getting matched with fast drivers. The system is garbage. The model is not good enough. PD can do things to improve it.

Like crash physics... there's no way that guy should be able to pinball his way back onto the straight, take me out, and then finish the race in the same position. BTW, he was able to hold off two other cars that had a run on him (let alone what happened to me, left sitting backward on the straight), leading into the final chicane. He defended the inside line and kept them off the apex on entry and pulled away from them. Uh-huh. What's the net result? He gets the DR bump for 7th in a top split lobby and I get knocked further from A+ rating with the big hit to mine for finishing nearly last. TOTALLY UNFAIR. and yet, it's the MOST influential mechanism the game deploys. It rewards CRAP.

The whole three laps before, he was driving like he was in a drift contest. I was actually sitting back and waiting for hell to break loose between him and the other two guys he was bottling up, when they finally shook him and I was left to deal with him alone. I'm tired of watching that happen and guys still get the run off the apex when they do. That part of the model is really wrong as well, the inertia component of their drive through the turn is not accurate. There is no way you should be able to defend when driving like that. And because the collision model is so f'ed, you don't dare stick your nose under it because you'll be the one in the barrier when it's over. Everyone knows that.

You're right, my outright pace isn't good enough to compete for wins in top splits. But it is good enough for top 5's in half the races, as a target. Which after 300 races in GT7, was what was happening, I was somewhere around 165 Top 5 out of 310 races or so. But somewhere over the holidays, it got a lot worse. Fact is, if I was slotted at the back of every top split, and was able to run a clean race to earn a position or two, I'd be happy to race, if the other people around me were respectful of real racing rules as well. It's actually very much my MO. Even if I am faster than the guy ahead of me, I rarely press the pass, I'd rather stalk them and wait for a little mistake, then take the position if it's available.

That's a fantasy at the moment.

sturk0167
Similar thing happened to me yesterday. I started on medium tires, and drove them for 8 laps before switching to hard tires.
I was in 7th place when I pitted because most of the faster drivers used hards first, and pitted early. I got way ahead of them when they stopped, but they were steadily catching up to me while I drove around on worn out mediums.
I came out of the pits in 15th. :lol:
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Isn't that deflating? I was running in 3rd in the lobby with some really great drivers, ran a clean race, hit my marks and was within tenths on my top five fastest laps, then you sit there in the pits, and watch your name fall down the order, until it stops at 9th, or 11th! It's just the way that race sorts out. What I noticed is that most of the really top guys are just going into the pits L2 and then running up to the end. Not setting QT's, to avoid the carnage in laps 1 and 2, then running on pace the rest of the way. Makes sense. I tried that once, though, and my pace isn't good enough to improve on my spot, though maybe I should try it again.
 
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