GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[sixty4half]

Schedule change at work so I couldnt attack this week like I wanted. I got two 20-minute practices in Wed and Thur, nothing special but I determined I dont like the weight transfer of the WRX. I just cant get it to calm down and I'm picking up penalties almost every other lap. The Alfa is to slow. The GTR is Baby Bear!

After a dozen or so laps I pull a 1.26.003 so i figure WTH, even though its 8000 QT it's still less than 3 secs off 1st. Go in at P5 and watch as everyone in front of and behind me flys off track or picks up penalties at some point and I sail to an uneventful 2nd place and CRB! Let's Go!

Just a sliver off A rank. I lost a couple of pixels of progress due to trying to drive a Ferrari around Autopolis during the Manufacturer preview season so I'll need to gain that back.


Edit: can someone help me understand what's happening at Turn 5?

I pick up penalties there sometimes that I don't understand and then I'll go way off track at the exact same point and not get a penalty. Here is some videos of what is happening.
This is the video where I get a penalty:



This is a video of me going even wider and not picking up a penalty:


If anyone can explained the ins and outs of where exactly the penalty zone is and where my left tyres need to be to avoid it I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[zjn]

It's still well worth noting that latency plays a significant role in... well quite a lot of these incidents.

At a 0.2s round trip (current server-server ping between LA and Sao Paulo is 180ms), cars travelling at 120mph will be as much as 40 feet away* between position updates, with GT7's netcode basically guessing where the cars are in-between based on most recent inputs and position data (and assuming cars are following the circuit path). That's around three car lengths, and that's just in terms of longitudinal movement; lateral movement is harder to estimate, and what might be six feet of space to you is contact to someone else - and of course vice versa.

Without seeing the replay from their point of view, we don't actually know what they're seeing - your replay only shows their position according to you, not to them - and of course that means there's no objective truth of where each car is. That glancing touch through Advan might have been nothing at all to them, but it's everything to you - while the space you gave earlier might have been door-banging to them.

Short of full fat, full-throttle, Paveway MAD - or straight swerving you into a barrier - you can rarely be sure that any given contact is deliberate, inept, or netcode.

*Also available in other units: 193km/h and 11.7 metres

Great post, as GrumpyOldMan also notices.

Would add that for the average driver (or at least for me) there's also a lag between brain and peripherals that may be greater than the network lag.

I want the stay positive and think that the most of the issues on the track are unplanned. Some of them are rage/revange related. Few are coming from people that will probably mess up things also playing alone in the desert.

 

[TheNormsk]

Last night I raced B and C heavily for the first real time. I'm still not that quick but I'm getting much more consistent and I make up spots by simply staying on track and the attrition of other users crashing out or leaving (DR D ranked races are a bit of a **** show). However, I'm finding the penalty system is killing me.

One time, I was hit from the rear causing me to spin out and hit the wall. I was clean up to that point. As if being spun out was injustice enough causing me to lose time, I was then penalized 1.5 seconds for hitting the wall. It's not like it was my fault!

Then in another race (race c) I was happy having climbed from around 13th to 7th or 8th, again driving clean, when I got violently hit and did a 720 spin all the way into a gravel trap. I lost over 20 seconds in that and the other drive had no penalty as far as I'm aware, of if they did it was minimal. I feel like the penalties for violent, aggressive driving are not large enough to deter the behavior. Case in point. On one race, the board was mostly DA or DS ranked drivers (I'm a DS, trying to get into C DR) but one of the leaders was a CE. This is surprising as the official online guide says that you can't have a DR higher than your SR and that if you SR drops then your DR also drops, but this is clearly not the case.

So it looks like this driver gains their position by being over aggressive. I feel like that is not right.

Overall I like the racing but I feel this detracts from the enjoyment of the game.

Now, if only I could figure out how to lap Atlanta faster that 1.29... lol.

 

[hollowkatt]

It was nice to race with @hollowkatt (he was P1 and I was P2). But on the second lap I hit a guy, unintentionally, like 3 times in a row. So I pulled back and let him go ahead, and of course 3 other people passed me too. Managed finishing at P3, but way behind 'Kat. Maybe next race I'll give you a better run.

It was great fun for that brief shining moment wasn't it! I knew you'd race me clean into T1 and from there it would be anyone's race. Shame it didn't work out like that. I was pulling for you to get around 2nd all the way down the back stretch on the last lap and after I finished. you almost got there too!

 

[Tommy_D]

These are very good reasons for possible inadvertent contact. For me, my biggest issue is the camera view I'm using. I use the hood cam and while that does give a bit of a wider perspective on the track than the bumper cam, it's not as wide as the cam that shows the whole car. So I may not be aware of someone who's nose is sitting on my rear quarter when going through a turn. Sure there are those red circles that show up on your radar, but when you are in the middle of a race fighting in the middle of the pack, my attention needs to be placed on hitting my braking markers and turn in points to get me the best lap times. This can lead to inadvertent hits by me or others who are in a similar situation. I haven't noticed this being too big of an issue as I dont think I have caused anyone to spin out if control or driving someone into a barrier or a gravel pit. My safety rating is an S but my driver rating hovers in the C/D range.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

This is a first for me, and I'm willing to bet very few others have ever accomplished it. The same exact lap time on two consecutive laps, during a race:

On my second account at Daily Race B. Got knocked back to C/B, which is obviously where I belong on this track this week:

but one of the leaders was a CE. This is surprising as the official online guide says that you can't have a DR higher than your SR and that if you SR drops then your DR also drops, but this is clearly not the case.

I think you must have read that wrong. Your SR can certainly drop without affecting your DR. Otherwise you'd never see ratings like B/C.

You can't improve your DR higher than your SR. So if your DR has enough to move you from a B to an A, but your SR is B, you won't get promoted until your SR gets up to an A (happened to me last week, IIRC).

 

[sixty4half]

Your DR will drop if your SR goes to far down. A DR A can have a SR B, but an SR C will cause them to drop to DR C.

 

[Tidgney]

Trying to win Race B in a non META car.

 

[Chris30]

Hey, got my second win at Monza, take a look!!

 

[TheNormsk]

You can't improve your DR higher than your SR. So if your DR has enough to move you from a B to an A, but your SR is B, you won't get promoted until your SR gets up to an A (happened to me last week, IIRC).

That makes sense.

Your DR will drop if your SR goes to far down. A DR A can have a SR B, but an SR C will cause them to drop to DR C.

Not according to what I saw unless there is a lag in DR. This driver has a SR or E but a DR or C. E as a pretty dire SR. You would think that would cause a drop.

 

[Hodd10]

Had the most amazing race earlier. Daily B. It was only over 2nd/ 3rd but the back and forth was incredible. Not one bit of contact depsite the gap being .001 to .500 for all 6 laps. I finished 3rd but damn what a race. We were each faster in different areas of the track which made it even more compelling. If only every race was like that I'd never be off the damn game.

Oh got my Q time down to a 1.25.2 as well. Gonna try as push to get under 1.25. Never thought I'd get under a 1.26!!

 

[Rossell2]

Non stop chaos from start to finish. Two observations:

1) why do people repeatedly flash their lights. I take no notice anyway.

2) why does the 155 sound like a food blender?

 

[Hodd10]

The light flashing might be due to them using a pad. L3 is the light flash I think. I used to do it all the damn time. Never knew till I watched a replay

 

[Famine]

Not according to what I saw unless there is a lag in DR. This driver has a SR or E but a DR or C. E as a pretty dire SR. You would think that would cause a drop.

It's not quite that simple; your DR will reset to a lower rank if your SR rank falls two levels and then half the rating to the next level below.

DR C with SR E is entirely consistent with that. You would, of course, be reset to DR D if your SR fell to between zero (or... is it one? I forget if it can zero out or not) and four, but at five to nine you'd stay at DR C.

 

[hollowkatt]

Trying to win Race B in a non META car.

I had a feeling that the Lambo could be competitive here. I know I'm not the racer who can do it but I'm glad there was someone who could!

 

[BruceAlmighty]

Schedule change at work so I couldnt attack this week like I wanted. I got two 20-minute practices in Wed and Thur, nothing special but I determined I dont like the weight transfer of the WRX. I just cant get it to calm down and I'm picking up penalties almost every other lap. The Alfa is to slow. The GTR is Baby Bear!

After a dozen or so laps I pull a 1.26.003 so i figure WTH, even though its 8000 QT it's still less than 3 secs off 1st. Go in at P5 and watch as everyone in front of and behind me flys off track or picks up penalties at some point and I sail to an uneventful 2nd place and CRB! Let's Go!

Just a sliver off A rank. I lost a couple of pixels of progress due to trying to drive a Ferrari around Autopolis during the Manufacturer preview season so I'll need to gain that back.


Edit: can someone help me understand what's happening at Turn 5?

I pick up penalties there sometimes that I don't understand and then I'll go way off track at the exact same point and not get a penalty. Here is some videos of what is happening.
This is the video where I get a penalty:



This is a video of me going even wider and not picking up a penalty:


If anyone can explained the ins and outs of where exactly the penalty zone is and where my left tyres need to be to avoid it I would greatly appreciate it.

the first vid you crossed the yellow line with all your wheels, which GT sees as trying to gain an advantage. the 2nd one, GT thinks you ran off the track. So no penalty because it wasn't helping your position.

Keep your left tires to the left of the yellow line and you'll get no penalty.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Just did my first Daily Race B this week on my main account. I know I can't race at my A/S rating, but I'd prefer to drop back to a B this week rather than next. Started P14, ended up P11, and definitely dropped some DR points. Next stop: DR B.

The race was highly unusual, especially on this track. The lobby was filled with A/S and B/S drivers, and it was the cleanest race I've ever seen (at least for what I could see from my place near the back). No "Do not pass" warnings. Only one person quit, and it was unclear why they did. The whole thing was surreal. I'm sure my next race will be a wreck-fest.

This driver has a SR or E but a DR or C. E as a pretty dire SR. You would think that would cause a drop.

Here's what happened to me a while back. These records are with the oldest first, so read downwards to see my progression:

Details on how this information was obtained can be found here.

NOTE: DR/SR are after-the-race values. In other words, I ran the first race in the list (16:30) and when I was done, my DR/SR were B/C.

So here's what happened:

1) My 07:03 race dropped me to B/D, and lowered my DR to under 50%.

2) My 9:54 race dropped my SR to E, so it dropped my DR to C. My DR % wasn't anywhere near low enough to get dropped down to C because of one race, so the only reason I was dropped to DR C was because of how low my SR was. See the "WTF?" in the comment on the right? I didn't know about how this worked back then, so the C/E didn't make any sense to me.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[hollowkatt]

the first vid you crossed the yellow line with all your wheels, which GT sees as trying to gain an advantage. the 2nd one, GT thinks you ran off the track. So no penalty because it wasn't helping your position.

Keep your left tires to the left of the yellow line and you'll get no penalty.

I find often that if I go off track but do not acclerate I don't get a penalty for cutting the course. It's entirely possible that it's smart enough to read inputs and calculate whether or not you "gained advantage" like you said and give penalty or not depending on the logic.

 

[Famine]

I find often that if I go off track but do not acclerate I don't get a penalty for cutting the course. It's entirely possible that it's smart enough to read inputs and calculate whether or not you "gained advantage" like you said and give penalty or not depending on the logic.

Close; it assesses your time through a minisplit.

You know when your gap to the car in front/your ghost/the car behind updates? That's a minisplit. If you go faster through a minisplit than you should* while also going off-track, you get a penalty.

*Yamauchi said to us that this was measured compared to AI; I'm not completely sold on that, as we're all quicker than AI everywhere anyway, but also I'm not sure how else it could be done - compared to cars around you maybe? Compared to your own times from lap two onwards?

 

[hollowkatt]

Close; it assesses your time through a minisplit.

You know when your gap to the car in front/your ghost/the car behind updates? That's a minisplit. If you go faster through a minisplit than you should* while also going off-track, you get a penalty.

*Yamauchi said to us that this was measured compared to AI; I'm not completely sold on that, as we're all quicker than AI everywhere anyway, but also I'm not sure how else it could be done - compared to cars around you maybe? Compared to your own times from lap two onwards?

Interesting! thank you for the heads up. That's not a bad idea in theory. Car A is faster than Car B through a section than should be possible AND you are off track = Penalty for Car A... I think that makes sense?

 

[sixty4half]

That is some damn good info Famine! Thank you for taking the time to clarify things for us when you can. Must be a busy guy

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I don't think I've ever jumped on the "PD Fix This Now" bandwagon, but here is an incident that PD has no excuse not to fix. None at all.


He's a ghost. He's coming right across my lane, so there's not a dang thing I can do about him. And then he's solid right when I reach him. It would be funny if it weren't so ridiculously obvious that this is something that PD could fix if they cared at all. "Don't unghost a car going perpendicular to an existing car right in front of said car."

At least I achieved my goal of getting knocked back down to DR B on my primary account, before the start of next week's races. Now I can go back to my secondary account.

 

[Tommy_D]

I don't think I've ever jumped on the "PD Fix This Now" bandwagon, but here is an incident that PD has no excuse not to fix. None at all.


He's a ghost. He's coming right across my lane, so there's not a dang thing I can do about him. And then he's solid right when I reach him. It would be funny if it weren't so ridiculously obvious that this is something that PD could fix if they cared at all. "Don't unghost a car going perpendicular to an existing car right in front of said car."

At least I achieved my goal of getting knocked back down to DR B on my primary account, before the start of next week's races. Now I can go back to my secondary account.

Yeah, that sucks. Then they add insult to injury by giving you a 1.5 second penalty for hitting the barrier.

 

[Andy Lapi]

Its like in real life, races 😂

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Its like in real life, races 😂

You've seen ghosts in real life? Wow!

 

[Trucker35]

Am I only one struggling with the strategy for race C, I start on mediums to keep up with the top cars but I lose time pitting for hards and can never catch up, I even tried pitting before lap 5, and pitting late as possible....both I lost time on the top 5 cars

Last night I raced B and C heavily for the first real time. I'm still not that quick but I'm getting much more consistent and I make up spots by simply staying on track and the attrition of other users crashing out or leaving (DR D ranked races are a bit of a **** show). However, I'm finding the penalty system is killing me.

One time, I was hit from the rear causing me to spin out and hit the wall. I was clean up to that point. As if being spun out was injustice enough causing me to lose time, I was then penalized 1.5 seconds for hitting the wall. It's not like it was my fault!

Then in another race (race c) I was happy having climbed from around 13th to 7th or 8th, again driving clean, when I got violently hit and did a 720 spin all the way into a gravel trap. I lost over 20 seconds in that and the other drive had no penalty as far as I'm aware, of if they did it was minimal. I feel like the penalties for violent, aggressive driving are not large enough to deter the behavior. Case in point. On one race, the board was mostly DA or DS ranked drivers (I'm a DS, trying to get into C DR) but one of the leaders was a CE. This is surprising as the official online guide says that you can't have a DR higher than your SR and that if you SR drops then your DR also drops, but this is clearly not the case.

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So it looks like this driver gains their position by being over aggressive. I feel like that is not right.

Overall I like the racing but I feel this detracts from the enjoyment of the game.

Now, if only I could figure out how to lap Atlanta faster that 1.29... lol.

I was in another race c with him yes he just pushes people out of the way no Fs given, he was behind me in 4th and just shoved me into the grass when I clearly gave him room on the inside then I was gonna switch to his inside.....

Just did my first Daily Race B this week on my main account. I know I can't race at my A/S rating, but I'd prefer to drop back to a B this week rather than next. Started P14, ended up P11, and definitely dropped some DR points. Next stop: DR B.

The race was highly unusual, especially on this track. The lobby was filled with A/S and B/S drivers, and it was the cleanest race I've ever seen (at least for what I could see from my place near the back). No "Do not pass" warnings. Only one person quit, and it was unclear why they did. The whole thing was surreal. I'm sure my next race will be a wreck-fest.


Here's what happened to me a while back. These records are with the oldest first, so read downwards to see my progression:
View attachment 1224403
Details on how this information was obtained can be found here.

NOTE: DR/SR are after-the-race values. In other words, I ran the first race in the list (16:30) and when I was done, my DR/SR were B/C.

So here's what happened:

1) My 07:03 race dropped me to B/D, and lowered my DR to under 50%.

2) My 9:54 race dropped my SR to E, so it dropped my DR to C. My DR % wasn't anywhere near low enough to get dropped down to C because of one race, so the only reason I was dropped to DR C was because of how low my SR was. See the "WTF?" in the comment on the right? I didn't know about how this worked back then, so the C/E didn't make any sense to me.

I hope that makes sense.

I am still confused how DR is calculated in general, like sometimes I go up quick with just a 6th place finish, but other times it may not budge or even drop some....I'm at a C/A rating but I was at a C/S rating until I had a string of contact races lol....it finally dropped me I guess for not being very sportsman like....

 

[NevilleNobody]

Race C is 7 laps med, 3 laps hard. If you're top 5, start mediums and hope to scooch away.

 

[Trucker35]

Race C is 7 laps med, 3 laps hard. If you're top 5, start mediums and hope to scooch away.

Thank you, I'll try that tonight, I've had good pace with the 911 , mustang and the Renault, I like the Renault because of the MR handling it gets through the slow turns better imo......it's not the OP car but I like using cars that aren't necessarily the one everyone goes for ..

 

[MiniMax]

I've discovered that the only way to survive Race A turn one is to go full throttle straight into the runoff zone at the start. Upon reset your ghost will pick thru the wreckage and continue. You will however get punted going into the second chicane. I have been on pole for the last 6 races and did this on the last try. There's no penalty for hitting the movable barricades. This is what no DR/SR does to people.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I am still confused how DR is calculated in general, like sometimes I go up quick with just a 6th place finish, but other times it may not budge or even drop some....I'm at a C/A rating but I was at a C/S rating until I had a string of contact races lol....it finally dropped me I guess for not being very sportsman like....

This has been explained pretty thoroughly in this thread, not too long ago. IIRC, @Famine talked about it. I'm sure you can find the posts about it if you do some creative searches in this topic.