GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Kermit_2142]

I need some advise.
Not played GTSport so my Dr/Sr was brand new to GT7. I’ve found my self in league Dr C and Sr S. This is where my issue now starts.
In the lower leagues I was qualifying mid to high on the grid. I’ve never been able to win a race but have finished P2 on a few occasions. My average finishing place is Id say P5.
Now I’m in C/S I’m always at the back the grid, and as the race progresses I mange to get on average now P7/8. Im fairly new to sim racing too and I know my skill and speed will increase but I just feel at the minute I’m in a league that im not able to win races. Am I best just grinding out races? I’ve done 28 sport races with 6 clean races so far.

Any advise would be much appreciated

If your finishing mid table then your are at a good dr rating. If you are constantly winning it means you are too fast for that dr rank. The more you win the harder the lobbies become. With harder lobbies it becomes increasingly important to qualify well as it will be harder to pass and mistakes will cost you.

In summary the dr system only uses your finishing position, you gain dr for eveyone you beat and lose dr to those that beat you.

It’s a long road and personally I wouldn’t worry about it too much. You will go through good and bad patches but as long as your enjoying your racing it’s largely irrelevant.

 

[Bojador]

I need some advise.
Not played GTSport so my Dr/Sr was brand new to GT7. I’ve found my self in league Dr C and Sr S. This is where my issue now starts.
In the lower leagues I was qualifying mid to high on the grid. I’ve never been able to win a race but have finished P2 on a few occasions. My average finishing place is Id say P5.
Now I’m in C/S I’m always at the back the grid, and as the race progresses I mange to get on average now P7/8. Im fairly new to sim racing too and I know my skill and speed will increase but I just feel at the minute I’m in a league that im not able to win races. Am I best just grinding out races? I’ve done 28 sport races with 6 clean races so far.

Any advise would be much appreciated

Depends on what you want. If your goal is to reach top splits keep at it. Even if you don’t win the races you’ll still progress. If you just want to win races then yeah maybe DR C may not be the best. I’d say work on getting better qualification times and on having good races. A race where you battle your way to P7 is much more entertaining than winning with a big advantage over everyone else.

 

[fmq75]

It is after all, a game

But why does your post reads like it‘s not a game for you but dead serious business?

 

[El_Beardo]

This stuff happens in almost every level all the way up to A+/S

The only time I've rarely seen weaving, or pushing people around, or basically any dirty stuff is in the very top splits for the FIA championship when it's a main season & there's a bunch of the supernerd eSports kids in there on their wheels. They tend to try be as clean as possible often because I think being dirty could maybe harm their chances of being invited to the tournaments in person or something.

Regular A+ lobbies though, especially just weekly races... Yea there's tonnes of dirty stuff going on & some of its for good reason too.

A lot of what I see is things like revenge punts, or people feeling disrespected in some way & deciding to wreck a guy because of it. Even things like previous beef from other lobbies spilling over into new lobbies.

One thing I've done & seen others do is crash out no-etoppers for rave C. & While I get that it's part of racing, in a video game I simply won't accept losing to a no-stopper. Mainly because I think it's a cowardly, cheap, low skill way to win. Short shifting & saving fuel is not difficult, it's anti-racing & anti-fun & there's nothing more annoying than when you've battled like crazy with maybe 2 other guys in the top 4, going purple & pulling off awesome racecraft, only to lose the win to someone that was too afraid to actually race & instead chose the most overpowered, easymode way to win a race.

No stopping, needs to tank performance more. The difference between no-stopping & going flat out should always marginally benefit the guy that pits & goes flat out, taking all the risk, racing on the edge. The risk is that if he makes mistakes , the no-stop strategy starts to come in to play & be viable... But that if you have a flawless flat out race you should have a significantly lower race time.

Pretty sure the fastest race time I had this week for Race C was 19:01 with a FL of 1.24.8 on controller. The turd that won was on a wheel doing a no-stop & had a 18:55. Ridiculous.

I've always hated no-etoppers in GTS & this, & it'll continue to be one of those things that I shamelessly bin people off for doing because I just think it's absolutely the weakest thing you can & is Anti-fun... & I'm in the A+ lobbies so yeah.
The point of this rant was there are many variables as to why people do dirty things, & almost none of them are because they don't understand the rules or need some kind of extra help... It's because we know the consequences & will do it anyway if it's worth it or it justifies our own reasoning.

It is after all, a game

Tell me that you have the IQ of a potato, without telling me that you have the IQ of a potato . . .

 

[Winnie847]

Only had time for a few races this week while my son was napping so I chose Race B. Now that I have a PS5 I like to do cool things like record my fastest lap in 4K and make a high-quality video of it. So here it is. I hit a 1:37.2 in qualifying but I think this lap in race trim was actually a slightly better lap, I just happened to have a full fuel load at the time. Maybe if I had nailed the final corner it would be in the 37’s but I’ll settle for a 38.0 in a heavy car.

Enjoy

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I need some advise.
Not played GTSport so my Dr/Sr was brand new to GT7. I’ve found my self in league Dr C and Sr S. This is where my issue now starts.
In the lower leagues I was qualifying mid to high on the grid. I’ve never been able to win a race but have finished P2 on a few occasions. My average finishing place is Id say P5.
Now I’m in C/S I’m always at the back the grid, and as the race progresses I mange to get on average now P7/8. Im fairly new to sim racing too and I know my skill and speed will increase but I just feel at the minute I’m in a league that im not able to win races. Am I best just grinding out races? I’ve done 28 sport races with 6 clean races so far.

Any advise would be much appreciated

This is how it feels for us all as we progress, we end up in lobbies that we feel are too hard. But they are a learning experience and soon you will feel at home in it
Remember the matchmaking is not trying to put you in a lobby you can win, but one with equal racers. If you qualify as p10 you're supposed to finish as p10 too, anything above is progressing.

My win/race rate in GTS was about 2-3%.
And that's not exceptionally low
There's players that boast with 2500 race wins, but they are seal clubbing. Behaving so bad that their safety rating goes down enough to loose their driver rating, get put in lobbies with beginners, win, rinse and repeat.
That kind of behaviour isn't really racing, it's gaming the system and they can rarely hack it in higher lobbies.
Better to stay clean, race your piers and slowly progress.
Good luck, see you out there

 

[Chris30]

Well does anyone know of any good Youtube drivers that can help us get better and faster. I know super_GT and BasicOllie. The GT aliens have a secret strategy that we don't know about. From what it seems like.

 

[The_Tullster]

The GT aliens have a secret strategy that we don't know about. From what it seems like.

Thousands of hours of practice and racing every day, combined with careful analysis of their own replays and the replays of other, faster drivers is their secret.

This series of videos is well regarded for driving tips:

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Well does anyone know of any good Youtube drivers that can help us get better and faster. I know super_GT and BasicOllie. The GT aliens have a secret strategy that we don't know about. From what it seems like.

This is originally for GTS but the principles are the same. Start here


Then check this out:

https://youtube.com/c/MistahMCA

 

[Chris30]

Ok, I'll check them out later tonight. Any bit of help/info helps,

 

[Chrome411]

This is how it feels for is all as we progress, we end up in lobbies that we feel are too hard. But they are a learning experience and soon you will feel at home in it
Remember the matchmaking is not trying to put you in a lobby you can win, but one with equal racers. If you qualify as p10 you're supposed to finish as p10 too, anything above is progressing.

My win/race rate in GTS was about 2-3%.
And that's not exceptionally low
There's players that boast with 2500 race wins, but they are seal clubbing. Behaving so bad that their safety rating goes down enough to loose their driver rating, get put in lobbies with beginners, win, rinse and repeat.
That kind of behaviour isn't really racing, it's gaming the system and they can rarely hack it in higher lobbies.
Better to stay clean, race your piers and slowly progress.
Good luck, see you out there

The problem is that the game doesn't seem to be very good at setting up equal lobbies. If I'm driver rating B there shouldn't be 5 A drivers and and A+ in our group. They have the fastest times by far and dominate the race. But yet that's exactly what just happened in my daily race B.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I need some advise.
Not played GTSport so my Dr/Sr was brand new to GT7. I’ve found my self in league Dr C and Sr S. This is where my issue now starts.
In the lower leagues I was qualifying mid to high on the grid. I’ve never been able to win a race but have finished P2 on a few occasions. My average finishing place is Id say P5.
Now I’m in C/S I’m always at the back the grid, and as the race progresses I mange to get on average now P7/8. Im fairly new to sim racing too and I know my skill and speed will increase but I just feel at the minute I’m in a league that im not able to win races. Am I best just grinding out races? I’ve done 28 sport races with 6 clean races so far.

Any advise would be much appreciated

I haven’t won a single race in the DR A/S rooms I’ve raced in across Sport and 7, I’ve come top 3 only a few times. Doesn’t bother me. I’m happy if I can come top half to be honest.

 

[Famine]

The problem is that the game doesn't seem to be very good at setting up equal lobbies. If I'm driver rating B there shouldn't be 5 A drivers and and A+ in our group. They have the fastest times by far and dominate the race. But yet that's exactly what just happened in my daily race B.

That's because it actually matches by SR rating first.

Essentially everyone with an SR of - if I recall right - 95-99 goes into a giant bin. The matchmaking system then draws players out by their DR, highest first.

Once it's run out of players to fill lobbies, it goes to the next bin of - again, if I recall correctly - 90-94 SR, and draws players out of that by their DR, highest first.

And so on down hoppers of SR classes until there's no-one left.

 

[Roggers]

@Mercia @Kermit_2142 @Bojador @RacingGrandpa

Thanks all for your feedback 👍🏻
Im more of a casual gamer so I’m not expecting to be a top top racer. But I just feel like I maybe jumped up the leagues a bit quickly.
As for the tracks I feel like I have a good understanding of them all but I know they still a lot of speed to be gained.

As a few have mentioned, “am I enjoying the game?” I am! I really like the Sports mode. I know a few have issues with and I’ve seen a few issues but I do enjoy that competitive fight with others. So far 95% of my races have been fair and fun.

Cheers for the help. I’ll keep on grinding

@NikNakTobasco just seen your message now. Yeah I enjoy the midfield battles. Guess these battle will just make me a better driver,

 

[HornetX1]

Tell me that you have the IQ of a potato, without telling me that you have the IQ of a potato . . .

You could've gone at my ego, but you chose IQ...that ironically shows more about your lack of IQ tbh.

 

[stpatty]

This stuff happens in almost every level all the way up to A+/S

The only time I've rarely seen weaving, or pushing people around, or basically any dirty stuff is in the very top splits for the FIA championship when it's a main season & there's a bunch of the supernerd eSports kids in there on their wheels. They tend to try be as clean as possible often because I think being dirty could maybe harm their chances of being invited to the tournaments in person or something.

Regular A+ lobbies though, especially just weekly races... Yea there's tonnes of dirty stuff going on & some of its for good reason too.

A lot of what I see is things like revenge punts, or people feeling disrespected in some way & deciding to wreck a guy because of it. Even things like previous beef from other lobbies spilling over into new lobbies.

One thing I've done & seen others do is crash out no-etoppers for rave C. & While I get that it's part of racing, in a video game I simply won't accept losing to a no-stopper. Mainly because I think it's a cowardly, cheap, low skill way to win. Short shifting & saving fuel is not difficult, it's anti-racing & anti-fun & there's nothing more annoying than when you've battled like crazy with maybe 2 other guys in the top 4, going purple & pulling off awesome racecraft, only to lose the win to someone that was too afraid to actually race & instead chose the most overpowered, easymode way to win a race.

No stopping, needs to tank performance more. The difference between no-stopping & going flat out should always marginally benefit the guy that pits & goes flat out, taking all the risk, racing on the edge. The risk is that if he makes mistakes , the no-stop strategy starts to come in to play & be viable... But that if you have a flawless flat out race you should have a significantly lower race time.

Pretty sure the fastest race time I had this week for Race C was 19:01 with a FL of 1.24.8 on controller. The turd that won was on a wheel doing a no-stop & had a 18:55. Ridiculous.

I've always hated no-etoppers in GTS & this, & it'll continue to be one of those things that I shamelessly bin people off for doing because I just think it's absolutely the weakest thing you can & is Anti-fun... & I'm in the A+ lobbies so yeah.
The point of this rant was there are many variables as to why people do dirty things, & almost none of them are because they don't understand the rules or need some kind of extra help... It's because we know the consequences & will do it anyway if it's worth it or it justifies our own reasoning.

It is after all, a game

I mean you might have a point about the effect of tyre wear and the length of pitstops but calling driving fast "awesome racecraft" and then saying you'll punt off no-stoppers sort of points out you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That's because it actually matches by SR rating first.

Essentially everyone with an SR of - if I recall right - 95-99 goes into a giant bin. The matchmaking system then draws players out by their DR, highest first.

Once it's run out of players to fill lobbies, it goes to the next bin of - again, if I recall correctly - 90-94 SR, and draws players out of that by their DR, highest first.

And so on down hoppers of SR classes until there's no-one left.

The bins are in 10s, but you're correct with the rest. (80-89 was the first drop out of top split room in GT Sport)

Although it could be fives now in GT7 as we can't check numerical scores anymore. Heck the SR range could be 1-999 for all we know. SR does seem to react more slowly than it did in GT Sport. Either the deductions and increases got less or the scale got bigger.

But it definitely still has the same flaw, adding the highest DR, lower SR players to the left over spots in the higher SR, lowest DR rooms.

 

[HornetX1]

But why does your post reads like it‘s not a game for you but dead serious business?

Maybe that's the way you took it idk, I was just pointing out some of the reasons why people do dirty things, & one of mine.
It's a game, therefore there are no moral or legal obligations... I can do whatever I want within the framework the developers set.

I only get on a few times a week, & that's mainly to mess around in online lobbies (non sport mode) & then do some sport mode/fia.

I only woke up recently, had a quick browse & saw the inevitable salty replies that this forum always has to this type of stuff. It's never changed on here, people think they're holyer than thou

I mean you might have a point about the effect of tyre wear and the length of pitstops but calling driving fast "awesome racecraft" and then saying you'll punt off no-stoppers sort of points out you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I think you completely misread or misunderstood it tbh.

They were two different points.

What I meant was, having races where you are basically flawless, maybe trading fastest laps with another guy within half a second of you (on the track obviously) & having great overtakes, or equally great (non-dirty) defenses that keep q guy behind while you get your eye in so to speak .. all of that is good race craft.

I'm almost positive if you're anywhere near an A+/S driver in this game you've had races that just were so much fun, full of fantastic overtakes from dummies, or setting a guy up going into the corner for the drive off the exit, or just races where you constantly have to defend from a guy that's slightly faster but can't get the move done.

Those are all situations which make for GREAT, fun races & don't involve anything dirty.

My point about no-stoppers is that they are the antithesis of everything I just said... There is no joy racing no-stoppers because they have effectively chosen the non-racing strategy, the easy mode strategy that is less vulnerable to mistakes (easier to make mistakes when you're on the limit obviously).

And for me, it justifies & will continue to justify getting dirty with them. I don't care how it sounds, & I don't really care what you think about it. I wouldn't have gotten to 60-65K driver score at A+/S constantly racing in the top split lobbies if I was "totally clueless".

The truth is as per usual with these forums, you don't like when someone openly admits they'll be dirty towards a strategy that you as an individual use. Morally I don't agree with no-stopping, it is weak & so it justifies my wrecking them to ruin their strategy.

I can take the hit to DR/SR because I know in fast enough to get back to the top quickly. Maybe if no stoppers were adjusted to reduce their effectiveness slightly so that they weren't the Meta strategy I wouldn't have a problem with it ... But there's something fundamentally wrong when the Meta strategy is the least racey, most boring & least fun to use & race against.

Don't bother replying, I'm done on here for today, can't stick around answering salty responses all the time.

 

[sturk0167]

 

[stpatty]

But there's something fundamentally wrong when the Meta strategy is the least racey, most boring & least fun to use & race against.

Hey! We got there quicker than I was expecting. Maybe focus on this as the problem rather than trying to justify your own dirty driving.

If you're as good as you say you are I'm sure the people you race against regularly will remember you and treat you the way you treat them. The way I see it you're only ruining your own experience in the long-term so have at it.

 

[Dose555]

There is no joy racing no-stoppers because they have effectively chosen the non-racing strategy, the easy mode strategy that is less vulnerable to mistakes (easier to make mistakes when you're on the limit obviously).

And for me, it justifies & will continue to justify getting dirty with them. I don't care how it sounds, & I don't really care what you think about it.

You're trying to justify taking people out because you don't like their strategy, in a race designed around different strategies? This is dumber than stupid! Go race karts.

 

[Winnie847]

There is no joy racing no-stoppers because they have effectively chosen the non-racing strategy, the easy mode strategy that is less vulnerable to mistakes (easier to make mistakes when you're on the limit obviously).

aka, the winning strategy...in a race, where the point is to be the fastest across the line.

For all this talk about salty replies, it sure does sound like somebody is salty about losing to a driver who has driven faster. So salty in fact, that they make a post about it praising their own race-craft in the same breath that they say they will punt anybody who has chosen the better strategy than them. So much smart.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Maybe that's the way you took it idk, I was just pointing out some of the reasons why people do dirty things, & one of mine.
It's a game, therefore there are no moral or legal obligations... I can do whatever I want within the framework the developers set.

I only get on a few times a week, & that's mainly to mess around in online lobbies (non sport mode) & then do some sport mode/fia.

I only woke up recently, had a quick browse & saw the inevitable salty replies that this forum always has to this type of stuff. It's never changed on here, people think they're holyer than thou

I think you completely misread or misunderstood it tbh.

They were two different points.

What I meant was, having races where you are basically flawless, maybe trading fastest laps with another guy within half a second of you (on the track obviously) & having great overtakes, or equally great (non-dirty) defenses that keep q guy behind while you get your eye in so to speak .. all of that is good race craft.

I'm almost positive if you're anywhere near an A+/S driver in this game you've had races that just were so much fun, full of fantastic overtakes from dummies, or setting a guy up going into the corner for the drive off the exit, or just races where you constantly have to defend from a guy that's slightly faster but can't get the move done.

Those are all situations which make for GREAT, fun races & don't involve anything dirty.

My point about no-stoppers is that they are the antithesis of everything I just said... There is no joy racing no-stoppers because they have effectively chosen the non-racing strategy, the easy mode strategy that is less vulnerable to mistakes (easier to make mistakes when you're on the limit obviously).

And for me, it justifies & will continue to justify getting dirty with them. I don't care how it sounds, & I don't really care what you think about it. I wouldn't have gotten to 60-65K driver score at A+/S constantly racing in the top split lobbies if I was "totally clueless".

The truth is as per usual with these forums, you don't like when someone openly admits they'll be dirty towards a strategy that you as an individual use. Morally I don't agree with no-stopping, it is weak & so it justifies my wrecking them to ruin their strategy.

I can take the hit to DR/SR because I know in fast enough to get back to the top quickly. Maybe if no stoppers were adjusted to reduce their effectiveness slightly so that they weren't the Meta strategy I wouldn't have a problem with it ... But there's something fundamentally wrong when the Meta strategy is the least racey, most boring & least fun to use & race against.

Don't bother replying, I'm done on here for today, can't stick around answering salty responses all the time.

Let me just say that yes, it's a game. There's a moral obligation even so.
The moral obligation is to your self.
But if you ever win a race you can't claim you win it fair and square or that you got to your DR in an honest way.
You are and will always be just a dirty driver.
Unless you rectify your deeds.

You talking about sportsmanship is a disgrace. You have no idea what it is.

 

[Bojador]

I'm done on here for today, can't stick around answering salty responses all the time.

We take what we can!

 

[kungtotte_]

I'll be the first to admit I'm not a physics wiz in any way, but I struggle to understand how the person who takes longer to cover the same distance as another person is actually the fastest driver over that distance.

 

[sixty4half]

Hornet, no-stoppers have to drive just a perfectly at that rank.

If you are close enough to wreck them, then you are close enough to pass them. You just like taking the easy way out. Which is a shame, you being on softer tyres and all.

 

[Paulo Ribeiro]

Did that ever do anything? How many times would Kimi have been reported, yet he was still there.

My normal account is A and I’ve been having a few races in top split and it’s a world away. You still get one maybe two deliberately dirty drivers on a grid but down at DR E it’s complete chaos.Quite fun though I suppose. Brands is a pretty unforgiving track and hard to overtake so people get a bit panicky I think.
I’m UK though. I’ve heard the American servers are pretty bad.

At least it worked with GT Sport.
I was once banned for 3 days. What I had sure is that it was for words. Because I have never been a dirty player.
I recognize that for a while I was very hard on words.

Not to mention full toxic phrases. I don't regret tho, because they were adressed to people that deserved.
But ok, I should not write some of them. But they deserved and they need someone to tell them the true.

Moreover, I knew some players were banned for 1 week and 1 moth also.

Cheers

This stuff happens in almost every level all the way up to A+/S

The only time I've rarely seen weaving, or pushing people around, or basically any dirty stuff is in the very top splits for the FIA championship when it's a main season & there's a bunch of the supernerd eSports kids in there on their wheels. They tend to try be as clean as possible often because I think being dirty could maybe harm their chances of being invited to the tournaments in person or something.

Regular A+ lobbies though, especially just weekly races... Yea there's tonnes of dirty stuff going on & some of its for good reason too.

A lot of what I see is things like revenge punts, or people feeling disrespected in some way & deciding to wreck a guy because of it. Even things like previous beef from other lobbies spilling over into new lobbies.

One thing I've done & seen others do is crash out no-etoppers for rave C. & While I get that it's part of racing, in a video game I simply won't accept losing to a no-stopper. Mainly because I think it's a cowardly, cheap, low skill way to win. Short shifting & saving fuel is not difficult, it's anti-racing & anti-fun & there's nothing more annoying than when you've battled like crazy with maybe 2 other guys in the top 4, going purple & pulling off awesome racecraft, only to lose the win to someone that was too afraid to actually race & instead chose the most overpowered, easymode way to win a race.

No stopping, needs to tank performance more. The difference between no-stopping & going flat out should always marginally benefit the guy that pits & goes flat out, taking all the risk, racing on the edge. The risk is that if he makes mistakes , the no-stop strategy starts to come in to play & be viable... But that if you have a flawless flat out race you should have a significantly lower race time.

Pretty sure the fastest race time I had this week for Race C was 19:01 with a FL of 1.24.8 on controller. The turd that won was on a wheel doing a no-stop & had a 18:55. Ridiculous.

I've always hated no-etoppers in GTS & this, & it'll continue to be one of those things that I shamelessly bin people off for doing because I just think it's absolutely the weakest thing you can & is Anti-fun... & I'm in the A+ lobbies so yeah.
The point of this rant was there are many variables as to why people do dirty things, & almost none of them are because they don't understand the rules or need some kind of extra help... It's because we know the consequences & will do it anyway if it's worth it or it justifies our own reasoning.

It is after all, a game

Well, that is a bit unfair.

I had bad behaviour with 'A' players. Mostly when passing them (while I was B) and they seemingly don't accept
being overtaken by a lower rank fellow, and on the first opportunity they had, I was rammed.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

At least it worked with GT Sport.
I was once banned for 3 days. What I had sure is that it was for words. Because I have never been a dirty player.
I recognize that for a while I was very hard on words.

Not to mention full toxic phrases. I don't regret tho, because they were adressed to people that deserved.
But ok, I should not write some of them. But they deserved and they need someone to tell them the true.

Moreover, I knew some players were banned for 1 week and 1 moth also.

Cheers


Well, that is a bit unfair.

I had bad behaviour with 'A' players. Mostly when passing them (while I was B) and they seemingly don't accept
being overtaken by a lower rank fellow, and on the first opportunity they had, I was rammed.

You could easily be banned for chat, that report goes to Sony and it's a direct violation of the rules. I know several people who has been banned on that.
Report interference with race and nothing happens.

The problem is that the game doesn't seem to be very good at setting up equal lobbies. If I'm driver rating B there shouldn't be 5 A drivers and and A+ in our group. They have the fastest times by far and dominate the race. But yet that's exactly what just happened in my daily race B.

That's down to lack of participation. I am B and my lobbies are practically always all B/S. Unless I race the very first new race in a Monday or race very late on a weekday night

 

[O604]

I remember some really great fuel strategy moments from the FIA Finals.

In one of the first World Finals. Igor Fraga ran out of fuel near the end of a Nurburging race. Super race. If anyone can rememeber, please remind me which one that was.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

@HornetX1 I get what you say about fun racing with lots of overtake, 2 wide action in sketchy places or good defensive line. This is fun and at the end of the race you have that big adrenaline rush with your hands shaking.

But racing is not only overtaking and defending, it's completing a set number of laps in the smallest amount of time.

You don't need to wreck a no-stop driver, you just need to overtake him, he probably won't put a fight as he is busy managing is fuel and tires. That way you can go flat out and add an overtake in your stats as you enjoy and he can keep his steady lap time trying to reach the finish line without a mistake.

Who cares who wins, it's only a game, lets all have fun!