GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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Hodd10
Has anyone on the US servers come across a 'notorious hound' driver?. Several times I've been in one of their races and lets say its not exactly rainbows and unicorn standards of driving. I'm in the lower B/S rank but this user has B/C
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I think I know who you're talking about, and to me he's infamous for, at the very least overly-aggressive driving, and at the worst, out-and-out being a bad dog.
 
TheNormsk
Thank you for the feedback. I've only been online racing for a little over a month. Still learning.

On a side note, that is probably a big difference between A/A+ lobbies and these lower B/C lobbies. In the lower lobbies, I don't tend to see the behavior you mention, at least when I do it is rare. It's very much a case of you give an inch, they take a mile. Everyone is trying to increase their DR at these lower groups so there is much less willingness to yield spots gained.
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Oh make no mistake, i'd say guys only wait for the victim maybe half the time in A or A+ lobbies, the rest just scamper away.

To some degree itis harder in B lobbies because you are second guessing the braking points, and if you pull up too short yourself you ris being rear ended. I do see a LOT of "oh there's a gap" when a) one NEVER had overlap and/or b) it was AWLAYS going to close by the time your car got in that space.
 
TheNormsk
Not sure if this is the right thread or if there is a better one for seeking feedback but as it's related to daily races.... Here I go.

So my last Race B from last week, I get called out as being a dirty driver by this one car. We had a bit of a tussle and at the time I thought they were being somewhat aggressive, but looking back at the video I think it was all competitive racing. This comes back to the, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and this time I won out in the battle; but this raises the question of was the racing dirty?

I think not, because if you yielded to every aggressive driver, you'll only end up last. However, I'm not entirely without fault as a minor bump in T1 sets up the chain of events that leads to the incident at the hairpin.

What do you think?


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Anyway roll on this weeks races. Not had the chance to check them out yet..
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T1 contact to start the lap is your fault and you should have waited for the Gold Porsche. The other two drivers, while impacted, aren't your responsibility especially not Tina.

T2 contact with the Red Porsche: Racing incident. Neither of you particularly at fault (dirty driving) neither of you particularly clean or smooth. You can be messy without being dirty and that contact I think is messy.

T3 and throughout the quad left: messy racing brought about by side by side through a section of track where side by side is incredibly hard. Racing bumps, not dirty at all, just messy and could lead to thinking about how to tackle that section differently. HOWEVER the bump you give him into the apex of the third section of that sequence was unnecessary. You could have been slower/tighter/backed out a touch to avoid the contact. I still call it racing incident and messy over dirty because honestly that feels like something that doesn't happen as practice and skills improve. (not saying you're bad, just saying we can all improve and when we do things like that don't happen)


T Post Quad: Red Porsche dove and the contact there was their fault. I believe that was aggressive of them but not malicious. Again messy vs dirty. Especially because if he wanted to ruin your day he could have done so.

Hairpin: Again messy, not dirty. That move wasn't on the table (as I'm sure you realized as soon as contact happened) but realizing it earlier prevents the contact from happening all together. As Red Porsche is in front of you it's your responsibility to react to what they're doing, not drive as if they're not there, which is kinda what it feels like happened. Red Porsche takes a wider line than you do so his entry into the corner will be shallower than yours, so he'll naturally b/c of his line cross your nose. I feel like it's your responsibility to recognize that and drive accordingly.

Again I want to reiterate that nothing I'm seeing here seems malicious or "dirty", it really is just messy and can be mitigated or alleviated through additional practice and situational awareness.

I will say you did boot him at the apex of the Hairpin and I'm giving benefit of the doubt when I say messy not dirty for that move. Mostly because you seem like a nice chap and nothing else you've shared smacks of "I am a putz" lol



Overall no, you were not a dirty driver. You were a messy driver. The one instance of dirty could be argued at the Hairpin with the actual boop. Everything else can be cleaned up pretty easily either through additional practice, situational awareness, or applications of patience. For example it is pretty clear to me that Red Porsche has troubles in some of the more finesse related sections. Perhaps you could have gotten a better run on Lap 2 or even through the final chicane to take that position.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on each incident. i think things like this where we try to break down what happened can make us all better drivers.
Cheers!
 
TheNormsk
Not sure if this is the right thread or if there is a better one for seeking feedback but as it's related to daily races.... Here I go.

So my last Race B from last week, I get called out as being a dirty driver by this one car. We had a bit of a tussle and at the time I thought they were being somewhat aggressive, but looking back at the video I think it was all competitive racing. This comes back to the, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and this time I won out in the battle; but this raises the question of was the racing dirty?

I think not, because if you yielded to every aggressive driver, you'll only end up last. However, I'm not entirely without fault as a minor bump in T1 sets up the chain of events that leads to the incident at the hairpin.

What do you think?


I actually did proper video editing on this one.

Anyway roll on this weeks races. Not had the chance to check them out yet..
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First off, nice video voice, and clean editing. As for T1 of Lap 1, I just think lots of people didn't give enough room between themselves and the car in front. I always came in a little slower, surveyed what was happening in front of me, then either accelerated to keep up with the car in front, or take evasive action, or slip through on the inside if there's carnage. I almost never rear-ended anyone unless someone rear-ended me, which only happened a few times.

Now as for the rest of the race, I'm just as likely to hit someone due to bad driving as anyone else, so I'm not without plenty of fault on that track.

As for your other incident, that's harder to say. I certainly didn't think you were being a dirty driver, and stuff happens. I'll leave it to the more experienced drivers to comment on that.
 
GrumpyOldMan
I think I know who you're talking about, and to me he's infamous for, at the very least overly-aggressive driving, and at the worst, out-and-out being a bad dog.
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Thats the guy. He's the one that set me off the other week about filthy lobbies. Every time he's in a race it turns into utter chaos. Never seems to pick up a penalty either. 3 times today he has pinballed 3 cars into me, pushed to pass, swerving across the track and slamming on the brakes. So frustrating
 
TheNormsk
What do you think?
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this is a good example of why i preferred the 'every contact is a penalty' system that existed at the beginning.

theres too many variables to consider, including 'driver preference'. for me the trailing driver is under an obligation to avoid contact (yes, even if it costs places) at turns. also, using the braking zones as a way to determine fault isn't always reliable, as the driver in front may be reacting to whats happening in front of them. i dont think you're 'dirty', for what its worth, simply because you're here asking for opinions. i will say that 'giving way to aggressive drivers' is absolutely a good long term strategy, even with a broken penalty system... if you are good at avoiding contact that will translate into being able to take different lines during a race / putting in more consistent lap times.

what i do know, for certain, is if there was a 3 second (* ok maybe 1-2 second) penalty every time someone gained a place after a smacked a door or bumper, the game would have a larger number of active users. it would have drawbacks (someone hits you, you hit another car, you get the penalty) but it would teach better habits, i think. that said i am thankful for the unranked races because sport mode daily races can be just about the best form of online gaming.
 
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Tried first race using second account to see how the racing is - High B rating DR and SR in a lobby with A and A+ accounts.

Started P9 as only managed a 1:25:2 after just a couple of qualy laps. Mostly clean racing (except this one guy who loved ramming people off, including me) but still managed a decent result 😎

@Leon Kowalski how's the hunt going? 🙂
 

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Decided to try a different car a day for this weeks B races. Today is the Jag. Currently down to a 1.26.7 optimum. Probably a little more in it. Seems very stable for FR. Not a bad start.

Tomorrow its the WRX. Can see it being a handful with weight transfer on certain corners
 
RacingGrandpa
Running the "Class that should not be called by name"?
I'll pass. Seaside this week for me.
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have fun. I avoid Seaside myself though; no honour to gain in setting the fastest lap time. All one needs to do is try again and again going through the Death Chicane pretty much full throttle; once one will succeed and get that fast time. no finesse.....
 
I knew I was opening my self for critique but hey, it's the only way to learn, right? Messy driving is probably right as I am still not consistent with knowing how to place the car exactly where I want it and particularly in races, I feel like I'm on the ragged edge, though though the laps are slower than QT. My driving becomes much more calm, yet faster, out of traffic..
Mercia
I would always advise if in traffic; I'd rather give a bit of gap to the car in front to prevent running into them like that, and it gives you somewhere to go should you be hit from behind yourself. It may seem counter intuitive but you won't lose much just easing off a bit if you're faster than them anyway once the track opens up you can start looking to run your fastest laps and catch them.
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The bumper cam has surprised me a few times now. The perceived gap between me and the car in front has not been as big as I thought and a bump would occur when visually, I thought I still had a lot of room in front. To my mind I still have gap here but this is where I bumped.

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This looks more like invisible hood cam to me rather than bumper cam. Funny thing is, is that I prefer the hood cam but you don't get the review mirror with that and I do rely on that to know what's going on behind, so I stick with this view.
CMB350
It appeared like typical B lobby stuff for the most part. My only real criticism was Normsk’s dive into the hairpin. No way that was going to work. The Porsche was closing that door quickly. At the hairpin I would’ve let the driver in front get settled and hope for some good clean back and forth for the next handful of laps.
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NevilleNobody
To some degree itis harder in B lobbies because you are second guessing the braking points, and if you pull up too short yourself you ris being rear ended. I do see a LOT of "oh there's a gap" when a) one NEVER had overlap and/or b) it was AWLAYS going to close by the time your car got in that space.
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hollowkatt
T1 contact to start the lap is your fault and you should have waited for the Gold Porsche. The other two drivers, while impacted, aren't your responsibility especially not Tina.

T3 and throughout the quad left: messy racing brought about by side by side through a section of track where side by side is incredibly hard. Racing bumps, not dirty at all, just messy and could lead to thinking about how to tackle that section differently. HOWEVER the bump you give him into the apex of the third section of that sequence was unnecessary. You could have been slower/tighter/backed out a touch to avoid the contact. I still call it racing incident and messy over dirty because honestly that feels like something that doesn't happen as practice and skills improve. (not saying you're bad, just saying we can all improve and when we do things like that don't happen)

Hairpin: Again messy, not dirty. That move wasn't on the table (as I'm sure you realized as soon as contact happened) but realizing it earlier prevents the contact from happening all together. As Red Porsche is in front of you it's your responsibility to react to what they're doing, not drive as if they're not there, which is kinda what it feels like happened. Red Porsche takes a wider line than you do so his entry into the corner will be shallower than yours, so he'll naturally b/c of his line cross your nose. I feel like it's your responsibility to recognize that and drive accordingly.

I will say you did boot him at the apex of the Hairpin and I'm giving benefit of the doubt when I say messy not dirty for that move.
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I recognize T1 was my fault. I was looking at the car in front but I did not want to brake too soon as I was not near my own usual braking point at that time and if you brake too soon then you can often by punted yourself. For the racing aids, I use them more for pointers but I adjust to the track and car and either brake earlier or later based on QT performance. Then in race they still help me to remember, roughly when, I should be braking. In this case, as soon as I saw the brake lights on the car in front, I hit my brakes, but it took a 1/2 second to react with a .3x gap, so I just had the 0.1x seconds of closure that caused the punt. I was surprised at how the car reacted. It was like they let go of their brake or something - it really rocketed off for a minor punt; not what I would have expected.

Side by side through the quad apex along with bumping is pretty common in DR B races. Not saying it is right, it is just the level of race craft at that level, at least from what I have seen so far. Perhaps it'll improve as I get my DR up. Part of me bumping him coming out of T3 was me not knowing the width of my car. I thought I was clear there.

As to the hairpin, okay everyone says that was not my move, so I feel like I can't win on that turn. The times when I have been passed in the race have been at the hairpin where the guy behind has dived on the inside, and I yielded even though I had gone wide like in this case. Rather than just hit them, I gave them room and slotted in behind if they were obviously faster than me. In this case, I think I was thinking the same that I could get the inside and they would yield but actually looking back at the video I see I was full on the brake behind but to their right, and I was perfectly in line to the apex, with the other car slight to the outside. I was also boxed in with P6 on my left shoulder. P4 messed up though and that is really what caused the collision. They over rotated (and were heading for the barrier), right at the same time I released my brakes as I finished aiming for the apex, and then they cut in front off me, due to the over rotation. As they did that, I started to reapply my brakes (but I was only at 50% ) when they then corrected again, at which point our speed differential was too much and we collided. I was driving as if they were going to nail the corner and mentally I was preparing for the drag race coming out of it. Alas, the final entry got messy. Part my fault, part theirs.

GrumpyOldMan
First off, nice video voice, and clean editing.
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Thank you. I've had a Mountain Biking YouTube "channel" for over a decade that I did as a hobby and a tax write off for other things.... I considering giving up on that though, but I have the gear for YouTube production. Don't worry, I'm NOT going to become a streamer.
permaculture
this is a good example of why i preferred the 'every contact is a penalty' system that existed at the beginning.

what i do know, for certain, is if there was a 3 second penalty every time someone gained a place after a smacked a door or bumper, the game would have a larger number of active users. it would have drawbacks (someone hits you, you hit another car, you get the penalty) but it would teach better habits, i think. that said i am thankful for the unranked races because sport mode daily races can be just about the best form of online gaming.
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I would actually like this, as long as the penalty was given to the driver that hit the other and they stopped giving penalties for hitting the wall AFTER someone had hit you (or add the wall penalty to the driver that hit the car the hit the wall) - so a double penalty. That would make a lot think differently.
 
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My first race of the week in Daily Race B, Sardegna. Here's a 1 minute video to show 1) a pretty spiffy save on T1 Lap 1 (IMO) by me, and 2) how messy the first lap can be here, but even still, you can survive right in the thick of things (not sure why the video quality is poor, but whatever):

Started P7, finished P5 in my first A lobby since I gained my DR A.

And an 8-second video showing that sometimes, PD gets the ghosting right (in the nick of time!). And yes, the initial contact is completely my fault. And no, I didn't wait - neither did anyone else in this race:

TheNormsk
Thank you. I've had a Mountain Biking YouTube "channel" for over a decade that I did as a hobby and a tax write off for other things.... I considering giving up on that though, but I have the gear for YouTube production. Don't worry, I'm NOT going to become a streamer.
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I have a woodworking YouTube channel with 130k subscribers, but I haven't posted a new video for a while. It's hard to keep the energy up. Like you said, it's a good tax writeoff, and I still make some decent money from it. Not enough to retire on - hey wait, I'm already retired! So it gives me some money to buy things like sim racing gear. :lol:

Anyway, like I said, I recognized the quality of your video, and I wanted you to know that someone, somewhere out there appreciated it. :cheers:

Oh, and no, I'm not going to be a streamer either. I just want to enjoy the game.
 
I just gave A and B a go. Neither are a track layout I'm familiar with and my times are terrible. It's going to take me some time to figure those out. Perhaps C will be my race. I'm familiar with that one.
GrumpyOldMan
My first race of the week in Daily Race B, Sardegna. Here's a 1 minute video to show 1) a pretty spiffy save on T1 Lap 1 (IMO) by me, and 2) how messy the first lap can be here, but even still, you can survive right in the thick of things (not sure why the video quality is poor, but whatever):

Started P7, finished P5 in my first A lobby since I gained my DR A.
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That makes my B race "am I terrible" video look like a kindergartner's tea picnic in comparison. Messy indeed and well done on P5!
 
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Leon Kowalski
Well, as usual for me, #mondayisraceAday 😆. The hunt will start tomorrow...🍻


So, today it's only greetings to @Nebuc72 again. At least I tried:

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I've seen so many red penalty flags in the process that I might wake up being colourblind tomorrow morning.🤣
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I can't be letting you get that close that easily :P

Top 10 is a 44.3 now which is.. eek. Might be a bit beyond me.
 
Cabelmania
Finally got a victory, of course I got it only when that certain german left :rolleyes: The 22B is, like the Sierra, really fun to drive :embarrassed:

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Where is the track limit here?

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Watching the video no penalty was given for this. As long as one wheel is on the red and whites does that count as track?
 
Nebuc72
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I can't be letting you get that close that easily :P
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Yeah, I knew that was going to happen. Just wanted to provide you with some extra motivation...😆

I don't know if I'm already finished, though. I threw some laps away when I was on course for something around the time you set there. Just couldn't bring it home through the final two right handers🤬. And just when I wanted to do some more laps, they shut the lights off here in my nursing home and told me to go to bed.🤣
 
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