GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Dan_Tes]

For the Race C folks: what is the effect of brake balance on this track? I can never really tell the difference when I go forward or back on the balance. Any advice?

I'm probably completely wrong here, but brake balance to the front (left on the knob) - car brakes in a straight line, brake balance to the rear (right on the knob) - car rotates under braking.

Brake balance to the rear is probably beneficial for Race C as its very swoopy, if you understeer under braking you're gonna lose a lot of time trying to make the turn after so a bit of brake balance to the rear to get the car moving in the right direction under braking (again, I'm probably completely wrong but if it SOUNDS legit I'm happy )

 

[NevilleNobody]

How are the AWD cars with the nerfs doing on Race B?

They're toast. At this track anyways.

For the Race C folks: what is the effect of brake balance on this track? I can never really tell the difference when I go forward or back on the balance. Any advice?

Depends entirely on the car and driving style. More skilled players like some rear BB to aid rotation, I am very aggressive on corner entry so like a lot of front BB, especially on something like the RSR which always gets away from me under brakes and naturally rotates well. We're mostly talking lift oversteer right, so you brake hard, lift to coast or get on the gas and what does she do?

It can make a massive difference.

 

[Bullwinkle]

They're toast. At this track anyways.

Depends entirely on the car and driving style. More skilled players like some rear BB to aid rotation, I am very aggressive on corner entry so like a lot of front BB, especially on something like the RSR which always gets away from me under brakes and naturally rotates well. We're mostly talking lift oversteer right, so you brake hard, lift to coast or get on the gas and what does she do?

It can make a massive difference.

Does it affect braking distance to change the balance? In other words, is it easier to stop when all four wheels are equal, or does the distance remain (about) the same?

 

[AmateurDriver]

Oh mennnn… I’m really struggling do to a proper laptime on Grand Valley. Such a difficult track to do a decent lap. Currently i’m sitting on a 1:49,360 and no matter how hard i try, i can’t manage to set a faster laptime. Am i the only one? Please, say i’m not haha!

The races are difficult too. Nope, it’s not easy…

 

[NevilleNobody]

Does it affect braking distance to change the balance? In other words, is it easier to stop when all four wheels are equal, or does the distance remain (about) the same?

I mean yeah it'll affect distance because too much either way and the car will slide. But there's no extra braking force, if you keep the car balanced distance will be the same no matter the setting but again, the more rear you can run the better as it aids turn in so theooretically faster if you can cope with it. I usually go 1 to 2 clicks forward as I absolutely CHUCK the car in.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Does it affect braking distance to change the balance? In other words, is it easier to stop when all four wheels are equal, or does the distance remain (about) the same?

It affects trail braking mostly and initial braking but if you are braking in a straight line and lifting before the apex it makes a small amount of difference. For us non aliens it's probably over a lap about a second but in the real world it's fractional.

Edit: grammar and spelling.

 

[JP76]

Off work till Wednesday as tomorrow's my birthday and looks like ( 🤞🏻 ) might be getting some positive, birthday vibes this week 😁

Has anyone had a try yet on the B and C races this week? Good luck!

Happy Birthday for tomorrow Techno....it's my birthday today. Forty ****ing seven ! 🙄

Have a good one, and good luck in this week's races. 🍻

 

[NevilleNobody]

In the real world BB is primarily used to avoid the front or rears locking up. As the fuel tank empties the rear gets lighter and more likely to lock up so you often hear drivers "moving one click of BB forward".

 

[TheNormsk]

I just up'd my QT for Race C to a 1:50.109 with the Huracán. This is a pretty strong car but perhaps not for the race? See below.

I expect to get into the 1:49s with a bit more work.

For the Race C folks: what is the effect of brake balance on this track? I can never really tell the difference when I go forward or back on the balance. Any advice?

I'm probably completely wrong here, but brake balance to the front (left on the knob) - car brakes in a straight line, brake balance to the rear (right on the knob) - car rotates under braking.

Brake balance to the rear is probably beneficial for Race C as its very swoopy, if you understeer under braking you're gonna lose a lot of time trying to make the turn after so a bit of brake balance to the rear to get the car moving in the right direction under braking (again, I'm probably completely wrong but if it SOUNDS legit I'm happy )

I did not change BB in the one race I did. Not sure if that would help as the track has some QUIRKS. In places it understeers and others it oversteers. See below...

So I entered my first Race C. I qualified in 4th with a scary lobby of DRB/DRC with SR mostly in the B, C and D! However, from a racing perspective everyone that I could tell was super clean. It was not the wreck fest of last week's B. It was the track that was the a-hole. I like the flow of the track but the track surface was weird. There were times when grip was good and then there was times where grip become nonexistent, like it was wet or had oil on it.

Entering into the left hander before the tunnel, a turn I can reliably do with no issues in QT, I slide wide into the dirt. It was like I was on a completely different tire from QT. Getting going again, I slide wide after the tunnel... Initially I think it's me (probably is) as I had first race nerves affecting me, but I pull it together after that but I'm down to mid pack however the field has already fractured at this point. There's the top field, a few in the mid field including me now, and the rest falling back by a long margin.

Entering the hairpin and the front end goes light like it's on ice, but rather than understeer, the car acts like it is caught up on something and instant rotates into the rock. Weird. I get going again and next corner the front end feels like it is on ice again and I go off track. This is throwing me for a loop. It's like the "race" track is completely different from QT track. Almost as if all grip is on a rubbered racing line and if you get off that, then god help you. I up my TCS from 1 to 2 to try to tame this...

Next lap, same thing happens at the hairpin again. I'm driving it as I have done many times now and it is behaving very different. At this point the the back playerss are long behind with no challenge, it is just me and another car and the rest are 30+ seconds ahead now. I see the car in front also having weird handling issues like I was. I don't know what is going on but they crash out along with someone else later and I move up to 8th. That's where I end the race, a minute 12s behind the leader and those behind never even made it to the finish line. I had to totally adjust my driving on the fly during the race as I tried to get to grips with a car that handled utterly differently than what I QT's with. I had to take the hairpin with a wide 2nd gear turn, avoiding the apex, otherwise the car would just spin. In QT I could hammer that under hard braking, down to 1st, rotate and punch the accelerator relying on TCS1. Not so during the race.

Weird race.

EDIT: Side note, call me boring but a lot of 911RSR were in the lead pack, and given the grip challenges I may switch to back to the 911 for its dependency even if it is a smidge slower. I would rather lap a 1/2 second slower consistently than slide or spin out.

Oh mennnn… I’m really struggling do to a proper laptime on Grand Valley. Such a difficult track to do a decent lap. Currently i’m sitting on a 1:49,360 and no matter how hard i try, i can’t manage to set a faster laptime. Am i the only one? Please, say i’m not haha!

That's actually a pretty good time. What DR are you? If A then, nope, you need to do better, if B then it's competitive.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Brake balance is such a weird topic because the way it works in GT is a bit different to the real world.

In time attack or wet races you run it rear biased and slacken off the anti roll bars. In a dry race for pace or you leave it neutral. You can dial it around for driving style but unless you can change the geometry it's a minute improvement that creates a dive bomb placebo.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I can't stand the sound of the TT. Sounds asthmatic.

I totally 100% agree. When a car doesn't sound fast, it affects my perception. Still, I got my best time in it. And it's funny - after trying some other cars then coming back to the TT, it didn't sound as bad. In fact I had to double-check that I really picked the TT. So if you're gonna use the TT, drive a car with a worse sound first.

I'm in B lobbies so making hay while the sunshine's

Absolutely!

I think we're all talking about Grand Valley, not Trial Mountain. At least I am. I love Trial Mountain.

I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure there were people dissing TM. But I'm old and suffer from CRS (Can't Remember Squat), so who knows?

Thanks for upload @GrumpyOldMan. Got my time down a lot thanks to that. Especially the T1-T3 sector. I had it in my head only aliens could take it around 120mph. I wont upload mine right now as its only just off Grumpys time. I'm a lower end B/S driver if that helps anyone with whats possible.

That's awesome! Yep, sometimes you just need to see someone else do something before you realize it's possible.

Absolutely CANNOT get my head around the TT, feels so alien, no real idea when it will understeer off or rotate.

It just goes to show how different each of us are. I'm not a fan of FWD cars, so it's never going to be my favorite, but to me, it wasn't awful (how's that for a ringing endorsement).

Ferrari: Tidgney used it, absolutely terrible. Horrible understeer, can't rotate it to save my life. 2.00.8

Yeah, I started out with it because of Tidgney also, and like you I couldn't rotate it well at all.

Suzuki: Feels absolutely useless, bog slow, then I crossed at 59.4. Wow. Can't race with it, will be eaten by TT and Mustangs.

I'm not sure with the Gr.4 version, but for the Gr.3 version, you have to severely short-shift it.

86: May be the best race car. Optimal 59.4 but only managed a 59.8. Still, easier to drive than the stang.

Thanks for that - I'll give it a shot.

 

[TechnoIsLove]

Happy Birthday for tomorrow Techno....it's my birthday today. Forty ****ing seven ! 🙄

Have a good one, and good luck in this week's races. 🍻

Thanks mate, happy birthday to you as well! I'm getting old but slightly younger than you 🤪 38 tomorrow. A friend once told me "You're only as old as the women you feel" so based on my wife's age, I'm turning 32 🤣

 

[AmateurDriver]

I just up'd my QT for Race C to a 1:50.109 with the Huracán. This is a pretty strong car but perhaps not for the race? See below.

View attachment 1235108

I expect to get into the 1:49s with a bit more work.


I did not change BB in the one race I did. Not sure if that would help as the track has some QUIRKS. In places it understeers and others it oversteers. See below...

So I entered my first Race C. I qualified in 4th with a scary lobby of DRB/DRC with SR mostly in the B, C and D! However, from a racing perspective everyone that I could tell was super clean. It was not the wreck fest of last week's B. It was the track that was the a-hole. I like the flow of the track but the track surface was weird. There were times when grip was good and then there was times where grip become nonexistent, like it was wet or had oil on it.

Entering into the left hander before the tunnel, a turn I can reliably do with no issues in QT, I slide wide into the dirt. It was like I was on a completely different tire from QT. Getting going again, I slide wide after the tunnel... Initially I think it's me (probably is) as I had first race nerves affecting me, but I pull it together after that but I'm down to mid pack however the field has already fractured at this point. There's the top field, a few in the mid field including me now, and the rest falling back by a long margin.

Entering the hairpin and the front end goes light like it's on ice, but rather than understeer, the car acts like it is caught up on something and instant rotates into the rock. Weird. I get going again and next corner the front end feels like it is on ice again and I go off track. This is throwing me for a loop. It's like the "race" track is completely different from QT track. Almost as if all grip is on a rubbered racing line and if you get off that, then god help you. I up my TCS from 1 to 2 to try to tame this...

Next lap, same thing happens at the hairpin again. I'm driving it as I have done many times now and it is behaving very different. At this point the the back playerss are long behind with no challenge, it is just me and another car and the rest are 30+ seconds ahead now. I see the car in front also having weird handling issues like I was. I don't know what is going on but they crash out along with someone else later and I move up to 8th. That's where I end the race, a minute 12s behind the leader and those behind never even made it to the finish line. I had to totally adjust my driving on the fly during the race as I tried to get to grips with a car that handled utterly differently than what I QT's with. I had to take the hairpin with a wide 2nd gear turn, avoiding the apex, otherwise the car would just spin. In QT I could hammer that under hard braking, down to 1st, rotate and punch the accelerator relying on TCS1. Not so during the race.

Weird race.

EDIT: Side note, call me boring but a lot of 911RSR were in the lead pack, and given the grip challenges I may switch to back to the 911 for its dependency even if it is a smidge slower. I would rather lap a 1/2 second slower consistently than slide or spin out.


That's actually a pretty good time. What DR are you? If A then, nope, you need to do better, if B then it's competitive.

Thanks for the nice words! I used to be A, but because of me driving like a idiot i’m back at B again haha! So i have to do my absolute best!

 

[newmedia_dev]

Any FWD or the mustang is gonna be fast at TM this week (B race)

The nerf really hit the mid range of the 4WD stuff and rightly so.

But to be honest the FWD and MR cars are really quick and fun now they are given the chance.

 

[JP76]

Thanks mate, happy birthday to you as well! I'm getting old but slightly younger than you 🤪 38 tomorrow. A friend once told me "You're only as old as the women you feel" so based on my wife's age, I'm turning 32 🤣

Cheers man 🍻
Yeah I definitely don't feel 47, nowhere near in fact, kept myself fit and healthy since I left Army. I don't look it either, as I'm often told 😏 bonus!

Ooofk! 38! You'll be 40 soon and 'half way' as they say.
You'll notice how quick the days and years go by post 40!

 

[Sarajevo89]

I'm faster with -2 in Porsche so take that as you wish.

 

[TheNormsk]

Any FWD or the mustang is gonna be fast at TM this week (B race)

The nerf really hit the mid range of the 4WD stuff and rightly so.

But to be honest the FWD and MR cars are really quick and fun now they are given the chance.

@Tidgney liked the Ferrari on race B and that was the fastest lap for me so far in my limited testing so I may stick with that one, plus I love the look of it.

Cheers man 🍻
Yeah I definitely don't feel 47, nowhere near in fact, kept myself fit and healthy since I left Army. I don't look it either, as I'm often told 😏 bonus!

Ooofk! 38! You'll be 40 soon and 'half way' as they say.
You'll notice how quick the days and years go by post 40!

Ha, I'm 52 and don't feel it but then I look in the mirror.....

It was the track that was the a-hole. I like the flow of the track but the track surface was weird. There were times when grip was good and then there was times where grip become nonexistent, like it was wet or had oil on it.

Entering into the left hander before the tunnel, a turn I can reliably do with no issues in QT, I slide wide into the dirt. It was like I was on a completely different tire from QT.

I just had a realization watching's @Tidgney's video from this morning. I was probably suffering from dirty air causing loss of traction to the front. I'm still not sure that is entirely it but it may be that the Huracan is much more sensitive to dirty air than the 911 that I am more use to is.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I'm 46 and feel 10 years older. Back on the rowing machine before gaming tonight.

 

[Mercia]

I hear what you guys are saying about Trial Mountain, but to me, it's a good track (with a few boring straights), and most of the turns are pretty-well defined as to where and what to do. The one that I regularly struggle with is the final chicane, but so does everyone else, so it's OK. There's lots of places to improve time, too, even when you think you've got it down pretty good.

No issues wit Trial Mountain here, other than not being very good at it

It's Grand Valley we were having a moan about.

 

[Dairyworker]

Didn't have a chance to race but ran some laps for race A. It's a good combo, i find the car feels really good on this track (surprisingly)

Posted a 1.18.8 ghost shared gtp9

Will get onto the others after dinner or tomorrow, probably tomorrow tbh

 

[Nebuc72]

That Porsche for race A drives amazingly. Figured it would be very sketchy, especially considering as the one we had at Brands recently was, but it's really pleasant and for the most part does exactly what you want it to.

 

[TheOneDonJuan]

Oh mennnn… I’m really struggling do to a proper laptime on Grand Valley. Such a difficult track to do a decent lap. Currently i’m sitting on a 1:49,360 and no matter how hard i try, i can’t manage to set a faster laptime. Am i the only one? Please, say i’m not haha!

The races are difficult too. Nope, it’s not easy…

Which car?

 

[AmateurDriver]

Which car?

I first tried it with the Ford GT. Later i did a lap with the 911 RSR. I feel that car is faster in the corners, but is slower on the straights. With the Porsche i did a 1:49,220

 

[Bullwinkle]

I just up'd my QT for Race C to a 1:50.109 with the Huracán. This is a pretty strong car but perhaps not for the race? See below.

View attachment 1235108

I expect to get into the 1:49s with a bit more work.


I did not change BB in the one race I did. Not sure if that would help as the track has some QUIRKS. In places it understeers and others it oversteers. See below...

So I entered my first Race C. I qualified in 4th with a scary lobby of DRB/DRC with SR mostly in the B, C and D! However, from a racing perspective everyone that I could tell was super clean. It was not the wreck fest of last week's B. It was the track that was the a-hole. I like the flow of the track but the track surface was weird. There were times when grip was good and then there was times where grip become nonexistent, like it was wet or had oil on it.

Entering into the left hander before the tunnel, a turn I can reliably do with no issues in QT, I slide wide into the dirt. It was like I was on a completely different tire from QT. Getting going again, I slide wide after the tunnel... Initially I think it's me (probably is) as I had first race nerves affecting me, but I pull it together after that but I'm down to mid pack however the field has already fractured at this point. There's the top field, a few in the mid field including me now, and the rest falling back by a long margin.

Entering the hairpin and the front end goes light like it's on ice, but rather than understeer, the car acts like it is caught up on something and instant rotates into the rock. Weird. I get going again and next corner the front end feels like it is on ice again and I go off track. This is throwing me for a loop. It's like the "race" track is completely different from QT track. Almost as if all grip is on a rubbered racing line and if you get off that, then god help you. I up my TCS from 1 to 2 to try to tame this...

Next lap, same thing happens at the hairpin again. I'm driving it as I have done many times now and it is behaving very different. At this point the the back playerss are long behind with no challenge, it is just me and another car and the rest are 30+ seconds ahead now. I see the car in front also having weird handling issues like I was. I don't know what is going on but they crash out along with someone else later and I move up to 8th. That's where I end the race, a minute 12s behind the leader and those behind never even made it to the finish line. I had to totally adjust my driving on the fly during the race as I tried to get to grips with a car that handled utterly differently than what I QT's with. I had to take the hairpin with a wide 2nd gear turn, avoiding the apex, otherwise the car would just spin. In QT I could hammer that under hard braking, down to 1st, rotate and punch the accelerator relying on TCS1. Not so during the race.

Weird race.

EDIT: Side note, call me boring but a lot of 911RSR were in the lead pack, and given the grip challenges I may switch to back to the 911 for its dependency even if it is a smidge slower. I would rather lap a 1/2 second slower consistently than slide or spin out.


That's actually a pretty good time. What DR are you? If A then, nope, you need to do better, if B then it's competitive.

I just had a realization watching's @Tidgney's video from this morning. I was probably suffering from dirty air causing loss of traction to the front. I'm still not sure that is entirely it but it may be that the Huracan is much more sensitive to dirty air than the 911 that I am more use to is.

I think the dirty air is a real problem, but don’t forget that the full fuel load affects everything in ways that you don’t get in the qualifying laps.

 

[TheNormsk]

I just did my first race B and second race C.

Drove the Ferrari 458 and that drives well around the track. I can't seem to work out how to get my lap times up though. I improved but I'm still in the 2:02s. I ended up mid pack and it was a clean race. Not a bad race; I need to work it more...

Race C I start P2 and lose that to drop to P3 during the first lap. I stay there with no threat from behind and I'm close but gradually losing it to P2 so I settle in to finish P3. However at lap 7 I notice that P4 is suddenly gaining. I putting in near QT times of 1:51.x and this car is gaining like 2 seconds a lap on me. By lap 9 they catch and stream past me with ease. They were driving the Ford GT'18. Good god that thing is quick in the right hands. I ended up P4, about 4 seconds behind, partly because I drifting off track picking up a 1.5 second penalty - my only one - while under pressure from the Ford.

I first tried it with the Ford GT. Later i did a lap with the 911 RSR. I feel that car is faster in the corners, but is slower on the straights. With the Porsche i did a 1:49,220

Don't give up on the Ford. See above.

I think the dirty air is a real problem, but don’t forget that the full fuel load affects everything in ways that you don’t get in the qualifying laps.

Being out front (ish) on my second race was a LOT easier. I also over compensated by driving the 911 with TCS at 1, just because I can still slide that out if I curb the rear wheel wrong.

My SR is stil a B though I've done 24 clean laps today. I wonder how long it takes to get it back up as last week it seemingly dropped with just a sneeze.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

In case anyone hasn't seen this phenomenon yet... I was DR B with this progress bar:

I did well enough in a couple of races to move up to DR A, but since I'm SR B, it won't "promote" me yet:

The progress bar makes it look like I'm just starting in DR B, but the progress bar actually represents my progress in DR A. If I managed to lower my SR and avoid losing any DR points, it'll change to DR A with this progress bar.

Somehow I managed to make that as clear as mud, but whatever. That's how it works. I refer to it as my "DR is constrained by my SR".

@Tidgney liked the Ferrari on race B and that was the fastest lap for me so far in my limited testing so I may stick with that one, plus I love the look of it.

I agree that the Ferrari looks great. But I can't drive it at TM very well at all.

Ha, I'm 52 and don't feel it but then I look in the mirror.....

I'm 66 and the mirror has reflected some old guy's image for a long time now. I'm surprised nobody's fixed the mirror yet.

 

[NevilleNobody]

That's been there since sport, you need a certain SR to be moved up in DR. You guys don't know the "reset" days, if your SR dropped enough you'd be crushed from like a Mid DRA to a low C.

 

[nukewells_OG]

The day to night transition in Race C is incredible.

BB to the front will induce understeer and maybe shorten stopping distance, this is why real street cars run a heavy front bias. Rear bias will induce oversteer and maybe lengthen stopping distance, this is why rear ABS was the first ABS introduced into real streetcars before the technology existed to do all four wheels.

 

[Nebuc72]

Porsche is a solid pick for Race B if noone has tried it yet, ran a few laps in it and pulled a 58.5 - certainly a bit more time in it though. I don't think it's quite as good as the '86 (my weapon of choice) but its competent enough.

Tried the Megane Trophy on my alt and couldn't get below a mid 59, so I'd say it's about a second off. I'll have a play around with some more unusual cars tomorrow.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

You guys don't know the "reset" days, if your SR dropped enough you'd be crushed from like a Mid DRA to a low C.

You mean like this?

Details on how this information was obtained can be found here, but it's boring.