GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[zjn]

I have been saying this a lot lately but man, people are effing clueless on how to drive. Anyone trying to make a move in sector 1 at Trial Mountain is an absolute giblet unless the man in front has made a significant error. There's no room guys, no idea why you think there is room, because there's not.

There's a MASSIVE long straight with an ON CAMBER, UPHILL CORNER one can brake into, a corner that accepts multiple lines, HOW ABOUT TRYING TO PASS THERE INSTEAD.

Idiots.

I'm not going to try to make excuses for these idiots (people, I meant people...), however, there are a number of factors that invite you to go in the direction of trying to get through every hole:
the races are short and the rating system puts you spicologically in a now-or-never mindset
playing offline it is much more true that every hole is good, given the kind of catch-up races you face

Often before I start a raceI have to force myself to think about where the real overtaking points are, always barring glaring mistakes up front, and even then I often get out of sorts and the temptation to pass at the first opportunity is high

Much differently happens to me on ACC, where every touch is paid for beforehand and where the reaces are tentatively longer. When I'm there before I pass I think about it a thousand times.

All of which is to say that understanding overtaking points and figuring out when to overtake and how are a skill to be cultivated, assuming the aforementioned idiot on duty is interested in the subject matter

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Had so much fun on Daily C yesterday. Got a couple wins on the 2 account (which is maxed out B right now) including one with the Lambo! Told you guys I'd be running this pig. This car is so beautiful and I know some of you will recognize the OG Lambo livery.

Instantly recognisable as the JLOC Lamborghini, that's probably why it appears to be on fire.

Next was jumping on the Euro account. That account is still relatively new and I am trying to build it up (sitting at mid-B). Did three races and got three wins, relatively easily (no disrespect, but again it's still a newish account); one in the Ford and two in the McLaren. So on the next race I decided to pick a more mid-tier car and jumped in the NSX.

And, of course, the race I decide to pick a blah car I end up in a lobby with none other than Super GT and @GOTMAXPOWER ! Son uv a! I can't remember if I started P3 or P4 but here is my mid-B rated butt in a lobby with some heavy hitters. By the end of T5 I was in P3 as the aforementioned heavy hitters were just driving off. After ~5 laps I was just in cruse mode as S-GT and GMP were like five seconds ahead and the guy in 4th was like three seconds behind... when the NSX went full MR on me through T3 & 4, got squirrelly, and I hit the guardrail... 1.5 pen, dirty tires, yadda yadda. After all was said and done I ended up finishing, ironically, in P-Steve (aka P6). Honestly, not a horrible result considering, though a podium would've been nice.

"Hey guys, wait for me, I want to play too!"

If it makes you feel any better Super GT made me feel slow too, I managed to hang onto the slipstream for a couple of laps but slowly he pulled away and dropped me, then the harder you push the more track limits penalties the game honours you with (on a street circuit with no actual cuts 🙄).

I think it's probably temperature dropping when the sun sets.

The temperature dropping should make the track faster, I seem to go a little quicker after the sun goes down but that might just be the fuel weight dropping.

I have been saying this a lot lately but man, people are effing clueless on how to drive. Anyone trying to make a move in sector 1 at Trial Mountain is an absolute giblet unless the man in front has made a significant error. There's no room guys, no idea why you think there is room, because there's not.

There's a MASSIVE long straight with an ON CAMBER, UPHILL CORNER one can brake into, a corner that accepts multiple lines, HOW ABOUT TRYING TO PASS THERE INSTEAD.

Idiots.

Everywhere is a overtaking opportunity if your balls are big enough :

 

[TheOneDonJuan]

I know this forum only represents a small percentage of the GT7 player population, but this is exactly why I find it hard to believe that I’m playing against 12 to 20 year olds in online lobbies. My guess is the B and A/A+ lobbies are populated by the older crowd.

On another note, I enjoyed a few Race B’s last night. Got my 100th top 5. Currently at 28% top 5 finishes. Had I taken sport mode a little more serious from the beginning, it would probably be quite a bit greater percentage.

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Cost of entry and doing what your friends are doing are big limiters when you're young. Sim racing isn't exactly something that looks appealing to the TikTok crowd 😂

 

[TheNormsk]

Had so much fun on Daily C yesterday. Got a couple wins on the 2 account (which is maxed out B right

I sometimes wonder how many DR A or A+ drivers hang out in second accounts? I had a couple yesterday that started at the back with no QT and managed to drive through to podium finishes. The speed they carried and the skill they showed to get through the field didn’t seem to align with the low B/B lobby I was in. I’m sure it’s a fun challenge for them but I think it also does a disservice to those that are still trying to improve. I get that eventually these other talents will increase the DR and go away but still.

Guess I just need to get better driving..

 

[Leon Kowalski]

I sometimes wonder how many DR A or A+ drivers hang out in second accounts? I had a couple yesterday that started at the back with no QT and managed to drive through to podium finishes. The speed they carried and the skill they showed to get through the field didn’t seem to align with the low B/B lobby I was in. I’m sure it’s a fun challenge for them but I think it also does a disservice to those that are still trying to improve. I get that eventually these other talents will increase the DR and go away but still.

Guess I just need to get better driving..

I've encountered some of these, too. As long as they stayed clean, I had no problem with it, honestly. Just watched and tried to learn from them. Which I did.

 

[JP76]

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I decided to jump into another one with a car I like hoping the both of them would be there but only half were. Started P3, got up to P2 in the first lap then watched that yellow and green Porsche get smaller and smaller. Admittedly, I was getting tired as I'd done a bunch of these and kept making stupid mistakes about half way through. Make no mistake, it wouldn't have mattered, GMP is too quick and was opening the gap even when I wasn't driving poorly.

This was one of the reasons I made an EMEA account, so I could hopefully race with some of you guys. Hopefully see you out there again... even if it is for only a lap or so.


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Had so much fun on Daily C yesterday. Got a couple wins on the 2 account (which is maxed out B right now) including one with the Lambo! Told you guys I'd be running this pig. This car is so beautiful and I know some of you will recognize the OG Lambo livery.

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Next was jumping on the Euro account. That account is still relatively new and I am trying to build it up (sitting at mid-B). Did three races and got three wins, relatively easily (no disrespect, but again it's still a newish account); one in the Ford and two in the McLaren. So on the next race I decided to pick a more mid-tier car and jumped in the NSX.

And, of course, the race I decide to pick a blah car I end up in a lobby with none other than Super GT and @GOTMAXPOWER ! Son uv a! I can't remember if I started P3 or P4 but here is my mid-B rated butt in a lobby with some heavy hitters. By the end of T5 I was in P3 as the aforementioned heavy hitters were just driving off. After ~5 laps I was just in cruse mode as S-GT and GMP were like five seconds ahead and the guy in 4th was like three seconds behind... when the NSX went full MR on me through T3 & 4, got squirrelly, and I hit the guardrail... 1.5 pen, dirty tires, yadda yadda. After all was said and done I ended up finishing, ironically, in P-Steve (aka P6). Honestly, not a horrible result considering, though a podium would've been nice.

"Hey guys, wait for me, I want to play too!"

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I decided to jump into another one with a car I like hoping the both of them would be there but only half were. Started P3, got up to P2 in the first lap then watched that yellow and green Porsche get smaller and smaller. Admittedly, I was getting tired as I'd done a bunch of these and kept making stupid mistakes about half way through. Make no mistake, it wouldn't have mattered, GMP is too quick and was opening the gap even when I wasn't driving poorly.

This was one of the reasons I made an EMEA account, so I could hopefully race with some of you guys. Hopefully see you out there again... even if it is for only a lap or so.


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Damn! That second picture with flames and sparks is nice!
Good catch man.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Everywhere is a overtaking opportunity if your balls are big enough :

That looks exactly like it's from one of your videos. 😆

 

[TheNormsk]

I've encountered some of these, too. As long as they stayed clean, I had no problem with it, honestly. Just watched and tried to learn from them. Which I did.

Try to learn from it? No! How does that help me when I want to vent about them steeling a podium away from me?

On a side note, it turns out that last week, while a crash fest of race B, it actually gave me a good run at the end of the week.

This week I like Race C but it is not giving me the DR points yet, but it may be giving me the SR points. Actually Race B has been giving me the gains so far. That might not last thought.

It feels like, though does not prove out in the DR, that start of the week I can do okay while everyone is figuring out the tracks and then mid week I start to lose out dropping DR in end pack finishing. At this point I tend to pause. Then at the weekend I may try again and end up with a different crowd during the weekend days as opposed to weekday evenings and do better again to improve my DR. That was at least last week...

It's probably just psychological and I probably just need to get more seat time in. As I found with race B last week while it was a wreck fest of a race and many times I would end up the loser, if I just persevered at it I would also often avoid the carnage (by sheer luck at times) and end up top 6 giving me DR gains.

Moral of the story; never quit.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

As long as they stayed clean, I had no problem with it

I'm not sure how to feel about it even when they're clean, if it disrupts your race and you get passed by 5 cars in half a lap it doesn't matter how clean they are, you've dropped seconds to the cars you're actually racing against because people want to play games with you (I do realise I'm a hypocrite complaining about it).

That looks exactly like it's from one of your videos. 😆

I wish 🤣

 

[Leon Kowalski]

I'm not sure how to feel about it even when they're clean, if it disrupts your race and you get passed by 5 cars in half a lap it doesn't matter how clean they are, you've dropped seconds to the cars you're actually racing against because people want to play games with you (I do realise I'm a hypocrite complaining about it).

If it had happened frequently, maybe I would have been annoyed by it, too. So far it hasn't occured to me that often, only a handful of times, and it was always like: I get overtaken, he's gone. No problem. It has never cost me a podium or even a win.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

If it had happened frequently, maybe I would have been annoyed by it, too. So far it hasn't occured to me that often, only a handful of times, and it was always like: I get overtaken, he's gone. No problem. It has never cost me a podium or even a win.

In top split it happens quite often, 1 isn't too disruptive but usually if there is a YouTuber starting at the back it's them and their 5 friends so whoever qualifies with the slowest legit qualifying time is going to have a really hard time on the first lap.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

As others have been saying, the SR logic seems a little funky this past week, up to and including now. I was stuck at SR B for the longest time, even with plenty of clean races.

Then today at TM, I started P3, ended P11, had three 1.5 second wall penalties, and hit a guy although not hard enough to get a penalty because he did a marvelous job of saving his car.

So what happened after that race? My SR improved from B to A. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

As for my poor driving, my mind might be on other things, because I just got word that my VR2 headset should be here today. This is from The Music Man talking about the Wells Fargo Wagon, but it might as well be the Fed-Ex truck. Seriously!

I have been saying this a lot lately but man, people are effing clueless on how to drive. Anyone trying to make a move in sector 1 at Trial Mountain is an absolute giblet unless the man in front has made a significant error. There's no room guys, no idea why you think there is room, because there's not.

99.9% of the time I completely agree with your sentiment here. And before today's race it would have been 100%. But someone passed me on that section this morning and did it so cleanly I almost wasn't sure it happened. Made me feel like I was driving a tricycle. I did stumble a little going into the section, but not horribly. Still, I guess it was enough for someone better than me.

 

[benjoi84]

I have been saying this a lot lately but man, people are effing clueless on how to drive. Anyone trying to make a move in sector 1 at Trial Mountain is an absolute giblet unless the man in front has made a significant error. There's no room guys, no idea why you think there is room, because there's not.

There's a MASSIVE long straight with an ON CAMBER, UPHILL CORNER one can brake into, a corner that accepts multiple lines, HOW ABOUT TRYING TO PASS THERE INSTEAD.

Idiots.

In my experience a lot of forced overtakes come out of frustration and impatience.

I think there are enough "imposter" drivers out there that are probably racing at a higher level than they are supposed to be (or some who have reached a soft limit in their ability), and in desperation they cling to any moment their nose may be in front regardless of actual overtake opportunity.

Once you've reached "your level", racing very much becomes a waiting game. As @NevilleNobody rightly points out, your opponent really needs to make some kind of error before you can pass. The difference at higher levels is that margin by which you judge a mistake becomes smaller and smaller.

Some people have the ability to race but not the patience to wait for the right moment.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Some freaks can pull off a clean pass in sector 1 but I'm willing to say they are the 1 percenters. Most people simply do not have the skill set to do it. Lap 1 is chaos, total chaos, after that it settles down and there's really good racing but had 4 races last night and I was taken out 3 times in sector 1 on lap 1.

Sometimes it's an overly ambitious pass, others it's people braking too late, you MUST brake a touch early in a crowd. TBh a lot of the time it's idiots diving for gap that is going to close when they get there. So it's lap 1, we are all nose to tail, i take the racing line so "leave the door open", you have no overlap but decide to chuck it in, i turn in and hit you. WHat am i supposed to do, take a defensive line the entire lap? That's be SO SLOW you'll just rear end me anyways. Stay with me, get a run through the left hander and THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO to stop you passing me at the end of the back straight, like literally no way to defend because you can pass both inside and outside there.

It's very, very frustrating.

 

[TheNormsk]

Some freaks can pull off a clean pass in sector 1 but I'm willing to say they are the 1 percenters. Most people simply do not have the skill set to do it. Lap 1 is chaos, total chaos, after that it settles down and there's really good racing but had 4 races last night and I was taken out 3 times in sector 1 on lap 1.

Sometimes it's an overly ambitious pass, others it's people braking too late, you MUST brake a touch early in a crowd. TBh a lot of the time it's idiots diving for gap that is going to close when they get there. So it's lap 1, we are all nose to tail, i take the racing line so "leave the door open", you have no overlap but decide to chuck it in, i turn in and hit you. WHat am i supposed to do, take a defensive line the entire lap? That's be SO SLOW you'll just rear end me anyways. Stay with me, get a run through the left hander and THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO to stop you passing me at the end of the back straight, like literally no way to defend because you can pass both inside and outside there.

It is a dilemma. You brake a little early as you don't know when the car in front will brake and then the car behind doesn't anticipate that and rear ends you. I've been having luck recently getting out of the racing line and pulling to the side, even if I lose a bit of time and perhaps a spot, as I'm learning it is better in the overall game to simply survive the first lap and stay on track than make a mistake or get booted off by someone. I would say that four laps makes this worse as everyone feels in a rush to gain spots but I guess that is determined by track length as PD seeks to keep race be <9 minutes.

 

[bone_tone]

I sometimes wonder how many DR A or A+ drivers hang out in second accounts? I had a couple yesterday that started at the back with no QT and managed to drive through to podium finishes. The speed they carried and the skill they showed to get through the field didn’t seem to align with the low B/B lobby I was in. I’m sure it’s a fun challenge for them but I think it also does a disservice to those that are still trying to improve. I get that eventually these other talents will increase the DR and go away but still.

Guess I just need to get better driving..

Definitely had one of those in a B/B race C this afternoon. He started last, I started P6 - he passed me at the start of lap 2 like I was in a Gr4 car, and was in P1 by the end of lap 3.....

 

[TheNormsk]

Definitely had one of those in a B/B race C this afternoon. He started last, I started P6 - he passed me at the start of lap 2 like I was in a Gr4 car, and was in P1 by the end of lap 3.....

B/B races for GVH1 have been all over the board in capabilities. There are those that lap in 2:08 and those that can do 1:48s. Me, I typically lap in 1:51s/1.52s when I don't mess up and occasionally a high 1:50.x when I find zen and if you were a DR B in the 2:05+ brigade (obviously those that have no history with this track yet) it might seem like I was some "good" racer. LOL, I'm not. The guy that passed me yesterday though was lapping in the 1:48s. That's getting pretty damn impressive.

 

[newmedia_dev]

The misinterpretation of the Senna quote has a lot to answer for.

I know it's the luck of the lobbies but throw sportsmanship, race craft out the window some people just have such poor decision making abilities or reasoning. I wonder why they play racing games. Super smash bros and mortal combat are there....use them and not me!

/wibble!

 

[NevilleNobody]

I've got a 58 in me at trial mountain but fluff my laps. Mustang slowly becoming the meta.

 

[2Quickrides]

Some freaks can pull off a clean pass in sector 1 but I'm willing to say they are the 1 percenters. Most people simply do not have the skill set to do it. Lap 1 is chaos, total chaos, after that it settles down and there's really good racing but had 4 races last night and I was taken out 3 times in sector 1 on lap 1.

Sometimes it's an overly ambitious pass, others it's people braking too late, you MUST brake a touch early in a crowd. TBh a lot of the time it's idiots diving for gap that is going to close when they get there. So it's lap 1, we are all nose to tail, i take the racing line so "leave the door open", you have no overlap but decide to chuck it in, i turn in and hit you. WHat am i supposed to do, take a defensive line the entire lap? That's be SO SLOW you'll just rear end me anyways. Stay with me, get a run through the left hander and THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO to stop you passing me at the end of the back straight, like literally no way to defend because you can pass both inside and outside there.

It's very, very frustrating.

A GT7 rookie/IRL veteran take on it. I fall into the younger part (45) of the older crowd here apparently. Haha.
For info/perspective: I have and still do race cars/karts/motorcycles IRL. But I just started doing sport races last week (QT at Catalunya of 1:40.9 for reference), and am at DR-B/SR-S now. Any race I didn't get wiped out in I tended to win or finish 2nd until I hit the B groups (Where I have only won 1 of 7, but got wiped out 4 times and put into an A group once). Record of 24 races, 11 wins, 16 top 5.

I think a lot of it has to do with the experience of the majority of the players. Most people's only racing experience seems to be against AI cars where anything goes for passing rules, then they apply those rules to Sport as well.
Also, I think the field of view of the screen gives most people the tunnel vision we teach people to avoid on real tracks. I have attempted clean block passes into tight turns multiple times and most of the time end up with someone turning into my rear quarter panel on entry, then being upset with me. Even taking a tight inside line and leaving them the rest of the track usually has the same result.
Also being sprint races, waiting for a 100% clear pass will result in either no positions gained or being taken out by someone behind you who is not willing to wait. That's why all these racing leagues are adding more sprint races, it's more exciting for the part time fans.
There is also the people that take themselves out or both of you and immediately blame the closest car. Or the guy that takes you out and then calls you out after like it was your fault. Haha.

Unfortunately though, I've also seen a lot of those mistakes on real tracks in amateur racing. Rubbing IS racing for a lot of people, even on motorcycles.
For the record, I am not accusing you of falling into any of those categories as I've never raced with you, and only quoted yours as it has the gist of the conversation nicely summarized.

The misinterpretation of the Senna quote has a lot to answer for.

I know it's the luck of the lobbies but throw sportsmanship, race craft out the window some people just have such poor decision making abilities or reasoning. I wonder why they play racing games. Super smash bros and mortal combat are there....use them and not me!

/wibble!

I'm thinking it's more the Ricky Bobby-Talladega Nights version they're living by. Haha

 

[Talon16]

I sometimes wonder how many DR A or A+ drivers hang out in second accounts? I had a couple yesterday that started at the back with no QT and managed to drive through to podium finishes. The speed they carried and the skill they showed to get through the field didn’t seem to align with the low B/B lobby I was in. I’m sure it’s a fun challenge for them but I think it also does a disservice to those that are still trying to improve. I get that eventually these other talents will increase the DR and go away but still.

Guess I just need to get better driving..

I have multiple reasons for starting a second (and tertiary) accounts. I've gotten into them before, but won't here unless you really want me to.

I can tell you that one of those reasons is NOT to go into lower lobbies and 'pick on' B rated drivers (heck, sometimes those B rated drivers (or are they?) pick on me). I like to try different, oddball cars sometimes and that is where I do it. I'll typically qualify with said oddball cars as well, so things tend to even themselves out.

I want to try the Audi and Ferrari for this race C. No way could I do that in an A+ lobby; I'd be a liability. Others could, but not me. This is why when I post results I convey which account I was on so there is full transparency. I've been on both ends of the coin where some YT aliens come in and try for the last to first challenge... and they've gotten by me with ease. But it is what it is and I am not losing any sleep over it one way or the other.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Rubbin' on an oval is one thing, on regular tracks it's just cheating and dirty. It's Trial Mountain, no excuse for not making a clean pass, it has the best corner in the game for passing.

 

[TechnoIsLove]

Definitely had one of those in a B/B race C this afternoon. He started last, I started P6 - he passed me at the start of lap 2 like I was in a Gr4 car, and was in P1 by the end of lap 3.....

In no way, shape or form am I considering myself one of the greats (as you can see from the attached 2nd account screenshot) however, I do have a 2nd account with an upper B/S rating (main is A/S).

I sometimes start 5th or 8th as I don't put the same effort to set a great qualify time as I do in main account. Most of the time, lobby is made up of A/S and B/S players for me, so not much of a skill jump.

Most of the time, I move up between 2 to 4 places by the time the race ends, if it's a clean one.

For example, this race (attached) ended a few minutes ago and after being accidentally pushed from P3 to P6 on turn 1 at the start, I managed to finish back in the original position.

One thing I will say is save the replays and watch them, learn from them. It's a great way to improve!

 

[2Quickrides]

Rubbin' on an oval is one thing, on regular tracks it's just cheating and dirty. It's Trial Mountain, no excuse for not making a clean pass, it has the best corner in the game for passing.

Not saying it's proper racing, just saying it happens often.

It definitely does, but it only has 1 of them and there's only 4 laps. If you don't pass elsewhere you won't be going very far. Or you'll just pass back all the people who passed you while you waited for that turn to pass. I'll be trying it out later this week, but I fully expect a gong show as there is a few turns where a clean pass is almost impossible.

 

[hollowkatt]

I'm thinking it's more the Ricky Bobby-Talladega Nights version they're living by. Haha

For those that consume IRL racing products I think the style of racing consumed, and when you were a consumer, makes a difference as well.

 

[nukewells_OG]

I'm not going to try to make excuses for these idiots (people, I meant people...), however, there are a number of factors that invite you to go in the direction of trying to get through every hole:
the races are short and the rating system puts you spicologically in a now-or-never mindset
playing offline it is much more true that every hole is good, given the kind of catch-up races you face

This is one of the reasons I prefer Race C.

The temperature dropping should make the track faster, I seem to go a little quicker after the sun goes down but that might just be the fuel weight dropping.

I think it's relative. If its already cool and gets cold, then you will lose grip because the tire cools below optimal operating temp. If it is hot and gets warm/cool, then yes you will gain grip because the tire cools back down into optimal operating temp.

I also would expect the hard tire to have a lower tolerance of cooler temps. But I have no idea how detailed the GT7 tire model is...

 

[Leon Kowalski]

In top split it happens quite often

I'd like to have your problem...

 

[Cabelmania]

Enjoying the new and improved Grand Valley while sliding all over the place with a 911 ? That's the life

Me and the Spaniard congratulated each other for the great race, despite his clear attempt to block me at 02:23

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Gran Turismo 7 Daily Races: Original Sin​

The latest set of Gran Turismo 7 Daily Races is now available and — as is tradition post-update — features the newest track in the game...

That Suzuki's driver better be wearing the Turbo Unobtanium Helmet 3000 with it exposed like that

 

[bone_tone]

In no way, shape or form am I considering myself one of the greats (as you can see from the attached 2nd account screenshot) however, I do have a 2nd account with an upper B/S rating (main is A/S).

I sometimes start 5th or 8th as I don't put the same effort to set a great qualify time as I do in main account. Most of the time, lobby is made up of A/S and B/S players for me, so not much of a skill jump.

Most of the time, I move up between 2 to 4 places by the time the race ends, if it's a clean one.

For example, this race (attached) ended a few minutes ago and after being accidentally pushed from P3 to P6 on turn 1 at the start, I managed to finish back in the original position.

One thing I will say is save the replays and watch them, learn from them. It's a great way to improve!

This guy was B/B, and his name was Beauvois.......