GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[MidnightRun85]

To grab the article image each week I run a Custom Race with the right grid (size, cars) and Beginner AI so I can stage a shot.

This week that was made a much harder task by the fact that half the AI never made it up the hill on lap one.

I came round a second time and there were five immobile Sambabuses at various stages up the hill, holding themselves there on the brakes. In fact I couldn't even push them up the hill in my Porsche-engined camper.

Of course the remaining AI encountered the blockade on their own second laps and panicked, resulting in 11 immobile Sambabuses at various stages up the hill, holding themselves there on the brakes.

The amount of even I literally cannot is at an all-time high.

That sounds like a great video to share!

 

[nukewells_OG]

I'll test that tonight. Very curious what I'll find.

On the other hand, my son is playing online A LOT on his computer, and has never had any problems. And as I said, bandwidth seems fine usually.

It sounds like your ping is bad when your connection is loaded. That's why it's green prerace and red in race once the real time data starts flowing. An app like Speedtest will show unloaded ping and loaded ping for both upload and download.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Have you tried deleting and reinstalling GT7 in car it’s a GT bug?

No I haven't. I first bought it as a disc version for PS4, then upgraded to PS5 (which means that I still have to put the disc into the PS5 to run the game). So the problem occurs on PS4 and on PS5, too. But I'll try that.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Im in a really tough spot with this game and daily races.

So I'm not sure if its the combinations of car & tracks, the motivation to race or if I'm at a skill level where I'm struggling, but I've not done dailies for a while. The last time I can say I raced regularly was over the Christmas period when we had Gr3s at Suzuka. Since then I've dipped in an out of daily races and it got to the point where I haven't raced now in months.

Combos & Cars
Last week was the first time I spent an hour or two on daily races, I only raced 1 evening but I guess it's a start. In the end I only did Daily C, as I like the Deep Forest Reverse layout and also in Gr3s I find it fun. Had some mixed results in those races with a few dirty issues and some clean racing

Motivation
Id say my motivation for GT7 isn't low. I still play the game but I end up spending time either doing VR custom races or just doing Time Trial. During the GTWS weeks I also spend more time doing a few practice races and Quali laps so this id say limits my time doing Daily races. Also I've been in a racing league on ACC, so that takes up a fair amount of my time having to practice and do setups for the race. Ive recently too only just got into the Call of Duty online side of things so again I've been mixing up my time switching between the 3 games.
I feel like I have motivation still for GT7 but not for Daily races.

Skill Issues
So I'm at a high B level and I feel like that is my limit on this game. I have 3 account all on similar DR points. One of my biggest problems, which I think is preventing me from playing is I keep comparing myself to others and what lap times they are doing. So I would say I'm anywhere between 1.5-2.5 seconds of the pace of the top times most races. Just recently I've been quite a way of that pace and it's been more like 3 seconds. Now obviously some tracks favour me and others don't, but when I do my TT laps and then compare times, I then decide if I'm going to be racing in that weeks daily races. Last week I was waiting since launch for Gr2 Spa to be a combo. Finally we get the combo and I did even do one lap. In the practices I just felt like I didnt have the pace and that put me off from racing. Im not bothered about losing my DR (on my 2 back up accounts).

I want to race but this weeks Daily C is not my track. Never driven this layout until yesterday and my fastest time in a practice session was 1.39.0 which to me feels like I'm too far of the pace to compete in my DR.

TLDR; I agree with you!

You’ve pretty much summed up my experiences lately, except I’m low A bordering on high B if I have another bad week.

My motivation has been slowly bled away by PD’s weird and sometimes outright trollish decisions about races, cars, and especially penalties (or lack thereof). They don’t seem to care too much about actual sportsmanship so they aren’t regulating bad driving much at all.

What that has done is make actual racing very aggravating for people who want to actually race. They’ve incentivized bad behavior in races. What this has done is create a situation where the TT wizards start up front in every race, and no special race craft can make up for it because everyone behind is tripping over each other trying to drive like they do in their time trials.

I’ve very nearly gotten fed up with the whole situation a couple of times in the new year (I have rants here to show for it!) and have just opted out a couple of weeks. For someone who has played literally every single day for a year, this is disturbing.

Maybe it’s burnout? Maybe, like you, other games or life situations have taken priority? But all I can say is that PD has created a diminishing return for my efforts and it feels like it’s intentional on their part, as if they are running experiments in us to collect data for GT8.

All I know is I actually payed for the early release of MLB The Show because I was looking forward to playing it more than continuing with my (until now) favorite game. I feel let down by GT7 because it could be so much more. But as a Sport Mode fan, they’re making it really hard to want to keep playing.

If they want this game to remain relevant for another year, PD is going to have to realize that a few extra single player events and cars each month is not going to keep the game going. The online racing will be the only possible way to increase participation because once everyone finished single player content they’ll have no other reason to keep playing. Yet the online races feel like they’re getting worse and catering to the lowest common denominator of sportsmanship and race craft.

Ok, rant over.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

It sounds like your ping is bad when your connection is loaded. That's why it's green prerace and red in race once the real time data starts flowing. An app like Speedtest will show unloaded ping and loaded ping for both upload and download.

It's usually somewhere between 17 ms and 30 ms when I use the connection test in sport mode. Is that good or bad? On the spidergraph it's most often "parameter 2" which is bad, but sometimes other parameters too.


Err... sorry to everyone for (temporarily) having turned this thread into a discussion of technical issues...😬

 

[nukewells_OG]

It's usually somewhere between 17 ms and 30 ms when I use the connection test in sport mode. Is that good or bad? On the spidergraph it's most often "parameter 2" which is bad, but sometimes other parameters too.


Err... sorry to everyone for (temporarily) having turned this thread into a discussion of technical issues...😬

I'm pretty sure that is unloaded. With a strong ISP it won't degrade much loaded, but with a weak one it will. Mine is about 30ms unloaded and will show green 4 bars in parade lap. My loaded ping is about 100ms, so as soon as the race starts I usually go yellow. Once and awhile I will go red and it seems like half the time it's still raceable and half the time it isn't. I have Starlink satellite internet because I live in middle of nowhere.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

I'm pretty sure that is unloaded. With a strong ISP it won't degrade much loaded, but with a weak one it will. Mine is about 30ms unloaded and will show green 4 bars in parade lap. My loaded ping is about 100ms, so as soon as the race starts I usually go yellow. Once and awhile I will go red and it seems like half the time it's still raceable and half the time it isn't. I have Starlink satellite internet because I live in middle of nowhere.

Almost everything has good sides, too. At least I'm learning a lot today...😆

I tried one race B today on my practice account after my new router had been installed. During the race suddenly everyone simultaneously went 3 bars yellow. Except me of course...🤦‍♂️

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I tried one race B today on my practice account after my new router had been installed. During the race suddenly everyone simultaneously went 3 bars yellow.

FYI, yesterday, and at least the day before, I saw a lot of yellow and red bars - a lot more and a lot more often than normal, so there may be other issues going on right now. I'm not saying this is causing your problem - your's has been going on too long for that. All I'm saying is that you need to take it into account as you work through your problems. For example, you could do something that truly solves your problems, but still see some yellow and red bars because of this other issue (assuming there is one).

Hope that makes sense.

 

[RacinLei]

@Leon Kowalski
I had ones a similar issue like you.
Go to ps5 network-settings-set up internet connection and then go to youre wlan connection press option on youre pad and forget/delete the wlan connection. In my case why so ever both collided and cause problems, since then my connection is good.

 

[Famine]

That sounds like a great video to share!

 

[TechnoIsLove]

Personally, not a fan of Brand's Hatch as a track or the type of racing it creates, if you know what I mean 🤣

However, I love this layout of DT Seaside, so will only be doing Race C this week. Did a few qualy laps and at first, was very pissed that BoP messed with the AMG gear ratios. Hate how they are now and could only manage a 1:37:5..

Thankfully, dear ol' reliable still is a sweet drive (Supra) and I am consistently lapping at 1:37 flat, with my best being 1:36:9.



I know it's early but nice to have a relatively top time in the leaderboard 🙂 Gonna do my first race now.

Update - Race 1 of the week

Started P6 and got a clean run to first corner and right behind P5 heading into the chicane...

He brakes hard! Like down to 60mph and catches me off guard. I brake and swerve to avoid, almost managed, but car behind me also was surprised and punted me into the wall by accident.

Damage everywhere and 1.5 second penalty to boot! Crossed the line for lap 2 down in 11th 😢 However...

I kept calm, drove ultra consistently and between a few overtakes and some crashes up in front, still managed a P5 finish so overall, gained a position and somehow got a clean race bonus too 🤣

Should be a fun week!

 

[Talon16]

TLDR; I agree with you!

You’ve pretty much summed up my experiences lately, except I’m low A bordering on high B if I have another bad week.

My motivation has been slowly bled away by PD’s weird and sometimes outright trollish decisions about races, cars, and especially penalties (or lack thereof). They don’t seem to care too much about actual sportsmanship so they aren’t regulating bad driving much at all.

What that has done is make actual racing very aggravating for people who want to actually race. They’ve incentivized bad behavior in races. What this has done is create a situation where the TT wizards start up front in every race, and no special race craft can make up for it because everyone behind is tripping over each other trying to drive like they do in their time trials.

I’ve very nearly gotten fed up with the whole situation a couple of times in the new year (I have rants here to show for it!) and have just opted out a couple of weeks. For someone who has played literally every single day for a year, this is disturbing.

Maybe it’s burnout? Maybe, like you, other games or life situations have taken priority? But all I can say is that PD has created a diminishing return for my efforts and it feels like it’s intentional on their part, as if they are running experiments in us to collect data for GT8.

All I know is I actually payed for the early release of MLB The Show because I was looking forward to playing it more than continuing with my (until now) favorite game. I feel let down by GT7 because it could be so much more. But as a Sport Mode fan, they’re making it really hard to want to keep playing.

If they want this game to remain relevant for another year, PD is going to have to realize that a few extra single player events and cars each month is not going to keep the game going. The online racing will be the only possible way to increase participation because once everyone finished single player content they’ll have no other reason to keep playing. Yet the online races feel like they’re getting worse and catering to the lowest common denominator of sportsmanship and race craft.

Ok, rant over.

Agree with most all of this. My interest in this game ebbs and flows like anything else, but it's 98.312% based on Sport Mode (the TTs still interests me but for the most part, we're talking about a couple hours for all three accounts per two weeks as once I am in gold I am done with it). 1P is more of a chore to me at this point; I only do it if I need to in order to unlock something.

This week's races don't interest me in the least. Tired of DT and tired of Maggiore. VW bus for race A? Seriously? Is that a joke? There are scores of beautiful Italian cars (for example) in this game and they've not gotten their own TT or Race A yet. Couldn't care less about that stupid POS bus.

So, like you two, maybe a good time for a week off. I did enjoy the Gr2 at Spa last week and did a couple (like, literally two) As around Watkins short. Since I play this game probably five days a week I'll likely do some quali laps around C just to see how I compare to my friend's list, streamers I watch, and ya'll. But unless I am really jonesing (which I am not at the moment), probably won't even do a race this week.

I am looking forward to the up coming update; there are a couple cars that piqued my interest (DTM and 959). But, like so many cars I will buy them both and then what...? If there isn't a Daily that involves them, they'll likely just sit... see sentence #2 above. Also a new TT on Thursday. But yea, quite unmotivated at this point unfortunately.

 

[Roggers]

I feel slightly the same. My time seems to be more limited than normal. Which means I'm not playing GT as much as I used to. And then I want to dedicate some time to what I have left to do in single player. I seem to have gone backwards in terms of speed and DR rating from mid to high B into firmly low B. And even then a lot of people around here can be 2 seconds a lap quicker. I cannot get to grips with understeer in and oversteer out. However a combo like last week's B can help that as it is something I can enjoy. Unfortunately a couple of issues prevented me from getting better results in a few races. Perhaps I am glad I can't track my DR so I can't see how far it has fallen. But on the flip side being able to track it meant I had motivation to push on for better results.
I'm sure I will get better the more I play but my lack of playtime is probably hindering me at the moment.
I have raced you before and you have the skill so I wouldn't worry and from experience High B isn't the worse place to sit. I've had many brilliant races there.

Yeah I do wonder if real life and wanting to play other games has effect some of my drive for dailies. Before Xmas GT7 was literally the only game I was playing and that's when I started to push my DR and laps times etc...
Hopefully we can race some more together in the future. Just need PD to put on a really combo I like that hopefully drives me a bit to play more

TLDR; I agree with you!

You’ve pretty much summed up my experiences lately, except I’m low A bordering on high B if I have another bad week.

My motivation has been slowly bled away by PD’s weird and sometimes outright trollish decisions about races, cars, and especially penalties (or lack thereof). They don’t seem to care too much about actual sportsmanship so they aren’t regulating bad driving much at all.

What that has done is make actual racing very aggravating for people who want to actually race. They’ve incentivized bad behavior in races. What this has done is create a situation where the TT wizards start up front in every race, and no special race craft can make up for it because everyone behind is tripping over each other trying to drive like they do in their time trials.

I’ve very nearly gotten fed up with the whole situation a couple of times in the new year (I have rants here to show for it!) and have just opted out a couple of weeks. For someone who has played literally every single day for a year, this is disturbing.

Maybe it’s burnout? Maybe, like you, other games or life situations have taken priority? But all I can say is that PD has created a diminishing return for my efforts and it feels like it’s intentional on their part, as if they are running experiments in us to collect data for GT8.

All I know is I actually payed for the early release of MLB The Show because I was looking forward to playing it more than continuing with my (until now) favorite game. I feel let down by GT7 because it could be so much more. But as a Sport Mode fan, they’re making it really hard to want to keep playing.

Ive had burnout before on this game and in general sim racing. I don't feel like it is burnout that I'm suffering from as I love playing GT7 and ACC, but like you say I wonder if it combo of the races and the driving standards of people.

If they want this game to remain relevant for another year, PD is going to have to realize that a few extra single player events and cars each month is not going to keep the game going. The online racing will be the only possible way to increase participation because once everyone finished single player content they’ll have no other reason to keep playing. Yet the online races feel like they’re getting worse and catering to the lowest common denominator of sportsmanship and race craft.


Ok, rant over.

I agree with what you're saying here.
I know lots of people like the single player content over online, which is fine and I also like the single player content, but I do feel like they need to pay some more attention to the online side too. My main issue with online is the stale content.
Strategy races are majority of the time boring. Tyre strats are always 1/9 or 5/5. Tyres are too predictable and too consistent with lap times. Be nice if the tyres had a dynamic laps times that alter due to track temps.
Fuel strat races for the last how many weeks have always been fuel savers. Also PD don't like to have fuel and tyres strats in the same race either. Last time we had both tyres and fuel was Dragon Trail Gardens Reverse (4/5 months back) in Gr3 and Gr4 Sardegna (8 months ago) and both those races were in my option the best two races we had on the game.
Dynamic weather and time. One of the most hyped features that never get used. If they is an issue with the dynamic weather then fair enough, but add some dynamic time to mix. Why can't we have more sunrise to day, or evening to night races? Bathurst (10 months ago) was the last time I remember use having a night/day cycle.
BOP been one of the biggest issues for me too. I want to drive what ever car I want and at least be able to compete at the front. Gr4 been the biggest issue all year and while they did a good job on nurfing the 4WD cars, but the Audi TT is now way to OP. Nurf the Audi and I think we have a pretty good Gr4 group of cars. Gr3 Cars now look like to be in a great place with lots of options. MR cars still a pain to drive (Audi, Ferrari, Lambo)

 

[MCL1974]

Okay, had to try race A at least once.
I saw Tidgney's excellent video (Thanks for posting these!!) and his tip to use third gear going up hill was a good one.
But that meant that I needed to go manual, usually i am lazy and drive automatic. So practiced manual for a few laps and started a race. Sure that if is ever easy to go manual then it is this race...

One major disappointment: almost all boring rentals. If there is ever a race where you can really have fun and do a livery it is this one. Go for a classic design, hot rod or a modern racing livery, whatever floats you boat, but use a livery! There are also so many available in the game too. In my race only one other driver had bothered to make someting of his ride. So boring....

I messed up the start, maybe because of not being used to using the gears and whent from 5th to 11th. But kept doing smooth laps, to third at the right moment and stayed out of trouble and made my way up to fifth. Also got the CBR which is an achievment on it's own if you are in the pack. fun race but it is slow. And a bit difficult if you use chasecam like I do.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Torn between Race b and C. I don't mind lapping at Brands but racing is a pretty poor experience. Is Race b the TT Cup or are other cars genuinely competitive?

Race C, I absolutely LOATHE the tightening downhill esses, the understeer s joyless and on wearing tyres I can feel it is going to annoy me but I get a sense a lot of cars will be in the mix there.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

One major disappointment: almost all boring rentals. If there is ever a race where you can really have fun and do a livery it is this one. Go for a classic design, hot rod or a modern racing livery, whatever floats you boat, but use a livery! There are also so many available in the game too. In my race only one other driver had bothered to make someting of his ride. So boring....

Well, it doesn't help that it's JUST sold out in the used car dealership. I mean, come on PD...🤦‍♂️

 

[Fezzik]

I may be the only one who loves racing at Brands Hatch

 

[Steer]

Did one race A. I was surprised at the amount of overtaking considering that there is one braking point all lap long.

I might give it one other try, just to show off the livery that took me nearly 5 minutes to create, but after that it will be race B all week for me. I assume like GT Sport, that if you don't crash, you will finish a lot higher than you qualified around Brands.

 

[Nebuc72]

Yeah I do wonder if real life and wanting to play other games has effect some of my drive for dailies. Before Xmas GT7 was literally the only game I was playing and that's when I started to push my DR and laps times etc...
Hopefully we can race some more together in the future. Just need PD to put on a really combo I like that hopefully drives me a bit to play more



Ive had burnout before on this game and in general sim racing. I don't feel like it is burnout that I'm suffering from as I love playing GT7 and ACC, but like you say I wonder if it combo of the races and the driving standards of people.

I agree with what you're saying here.
I know lots of people like the single player content over online, which is fine and I also like the single player content, but I do feel like they need to pay some more attention to the online side too. My main issue with online is the stale content.
Strategy races are majority of the time boring. Tyre strats are always 1/9 or 5/5. Tyres are too predictable and too consistent with lap times. Be nice if the tyres had a dynamic laps times that alter due to track temps.
Fuel strat races for the last how many weeks have always been fuel savers. Also PD don't like to have fuel and tyres strats in the same race either. Last time we had both tyres and fuel was Dragon Trail Gardens Reverse (4/5 months back) in Gr3 and Gr4 Sardegna (8 months ago) and both those races were in my option the best two races we had on the game.
Dynamic weather and time. One of the most hyped features that never get used. If they is an issue with the dynamic weather then fair enough, but add some dynamic time to mix. Why can't we have more sunrise to day, or evening to night races? Bathurst (10 months ago) was the last time I remember use having a night/day cycle.
BOP been one of the biggest issues for me too. I want to drive what ever car I want and at least be able to compete at the front. Gr4 been the biggest issue all year and while they did a good job on nurfing the 4WD cars, but the Audi TT is now way to OP. Nurf the Audi and I think we have a pretty good Gr4 group of cars. Gr3 Cars now look like to be in a great place with lots of options. MR cars still a pain to drive (Audi, Ferrari, Lambo)

Few things I don't really get your view on here/I think you've just not encountered.

Track temperature is 100% a thing in this game, and you will see a difference in lap times from different conditions. Similarly, time of day is used quite a lot (weather isn't though) and the past month or two we've had quite a lot of time of day races that run into sunset or into the night. Grand Valley Gr.3 recently started in the afternoon and was pitch black by the end, and the Maggiore Gr.2 race ran through a gorgeous sunset.
Tyre strategy races are also fairly different than just 9/1 or 5/5 though because even last weeks race C at Deep Forest was a safe 8/6 that could be swapped to a 9/5 or even a 12/3 in the right car - and that's only for goijg M-H. Variation does exist there.

I'm not sure what you mean by "tyres are too predictable" though because... yes? Of course tyres will lose grip and speed as they wear out, that's just how it works. The problem there is that the ideal strategy has been figured out because the race is run for an entire week - in real racing it's more 'dynamic' because you get one shot at it and that's it.

Same goes for the fuel strategy races - I don't know what else you want from them as it's always going to work the same way. The only strategy you can have with fuel is "save it or pit for more" and so (without tyres) you're always going to have it be the same thing. It would be nice for fuel and tyres to be combined more often though.

 

[Talon16]

I may be the only one who loves racing at Brands Hatch

I used to hate Brands... now I only have a mild disdain for it. It's a difficult track to make a clean pass and the Gr4 cars are generally so blah to me. Plus, we were just there seven weeks ago.

Anyway, to anyone who enjoys the combo more power to ya', go get it!

 

[NevilleNobody]

I may be the only one who loves racing at Brands Hatch

I always feel like the track was designed for gentleman's SUper 7 or Caterham racing. Small, narrow, low powered and nimble. Cars just look too big.

 

[Mirai]

Well, it doesn't help that it's JUST sold out in the used car dealership. I mean, come on PD...🤦‍♂️

Tbh if people were smart they would’ve completed the first missions set. You can get a Sambabus for free just for getting All Bronze.

 

[Nebuc72]

Tbh if people were smart they would’ve completed the first missions set. You can get a Sambabus for free just for getting All Bronze.

Aye but if you engine swapped it, you can't enter with it.

Same thing happened at the Goodwood Mini race a while ago.

 

[Mirai]

Aye but if you engine swapped it, you can't enter with it.

Same thing happened at the Goodwood Mini race a while ago.

Ok that’s actually pretty dumb

 

[TechnoIsLove]

Torn between Race b and C. I don't mind lapping at Brands but racing is a pretty poor experience. Is Race b the TT Cup or are other cars genuinely competitive?

Race C, I absolutely LOATHE the tightening downhill esses, the understeer s joyless and on wearing tyres I can feel it is going to annoy me but I get a sense a lot of cars will be in the mix there.

Did my first Race C and loved most of it but yeah, at least 6 or 7 different cars so it's very interesting with performance in different parts of track and the tire wear rates 🙂

 

[Fezzik]

I always feel like the track was designed for gentleman's SUper 7 or Caterham racing. Small, narrow, low powered and nimble. Cars just look too big.

If cars are too big ...

 

[NevilleNobody]

Racing trucks is truly asinine. like come on guys, why?

 

[MidnightRun85]

HAHA! Thank you very much for sharing that. That's made my day!

One major disappointment: almost all boring rentals. If there is ever a race where you can really have fun and do a livery it is this one. Go for a classic design, hot rod or a modern racing livery, whatever floats you boat, but use a livery! There are also so many available in the game too. In my race only one other driver had bothered to make someting of his ride. So boring....

View attachment 1243020

I get the same way about any daily race or time trial. But mainly because I just make so many liveries. If anyone likes Dead Man's Fingers rum, I made a promo-style livery that'll stand out...

 

[Tidgney]

What's the llivery called on your Sambabus in Race A Thumbnail on your video, I like the look of it but not sure what I should search under to find it in GT7? Thanks for any reply/links!

It's a TCR livery and should appear with the TCR Tag

 

[icycls]

FYI, yesterday, and at least the day before, I saw a lot of yellow and red bars - a lot more and a lot more often than normal, so there may be other issues going on right now. I'm not saying this is causing your problem - your's has been going on too long for that. All I'm saying is that you need to take it into account as you work through your problems. For example, you could do something that truly solves your problems, but still see some yellow and red bars because of this other issue (assuming there is one).

Hope that makes sense.

I've been seeing the same thing - a lot of races everyone is in yellow. It wasn't like this just a few weeks or months ago. I am perpetually yellow because I, too, have broadband in the sticks but for the most part doesn't seem to cause issues. I also had a period about a month ago where I was red and drivers in the chat told me I was lagging bad, so I stayed offline for a bit.