GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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Stilva
I'm feeling much more comfortable with the GT-R at Spa. I'm currently sitting at a 2:19.2XX and I think I can get to a 2:18 with more practice. I'm still on the throttle too early at times and losing time there. Still a bad habit of mine from forever ago. Hopefully I can have a few nice races tomorrow.
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Nice. I’m at a 2:18.8 in the 650S as that’s the only car I’ve tried on the mediums. Going to try the Supra and GTR now on mediums and see what happens.

Edit: tried 4 different cars with a spread of 0.2 fastest to slowest. GTR felt like a good blend between the Supra and the 911 so took it to the race. Started 2nd and finished 3rd after dropping to 6th mid race. Science experiment over - all the cars are great and I’m the limiting factor 😂
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Famine
But what you think of it, or how fair it is, or what my thoughts are on sportsmanship (which I didn't pass, but you opposed anyway) isn't relevant to the fact that this is how it is. No amount of not accepting that fact matters; it's been this way since GT Sport launched in 2017 (and before, in the Beta test) and remains that way today.
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I hate to stick my head in the lion's jaws, but... How is that any different from other things people like to complain about on this forum? For example, complaining about penalties (or lack thereof) "isn't relevant to the fact that this is how it is." Same with meta cars. The list goes on. I mean, if we didn't complain about anything "that is how it is", the chatter on this forum would drop dramatically. (Some might say that would be a good thing, however I'm not one of them.)
 
GrumpyOldMan
I hate to stick my head in the lion's jaws, but... How is that any different from other things people like to complain about on this forum? For example, complaining about penalties (or lack thereof) "isn't relevant to the fact that this is how it is." Same with meta cars. The list goes on. I mean, if we didn't complain about anything "that is how it is", the chatter on this forum would drop dramatically. (Some might say that would be a good thing, however I'm not one of them.)
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It's not, but the first bit of the post is most relevant: this is the Daily Races thread, for discussing Daily Races.

It's fine to seek assistance here with how things work in the Daily Races - such as the ratings, false starts, penalties, etc - but a prolonged discussion of the rights and wrongs of GT's ratings systems should really be elsewhere (just like the infamous penalty discussion is) as the ratings are neither inclusive of nor exclusive to the Daily Races. Complaining at the people stating how it is for stating how it is (free from opinion) doesn't belong anywhere.
 
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Hey everyone still fairly new in here. I’ve been on race B mostly so far and I’ve finally gotten my DR up to an A but man the lobbies now are so chaotic. I must’ve saved 3 races coz I got penalties (5sec and 2sec) for running people off but when I watch the replay I’m the one being punted and pushed off track. Anyone have this experience? My SR has taken a massive hit coz of this and it’s not even my fault. Ran 3 races last night and it happened in all 3 races so I just stopped playing.
 
Steer
Even though Fiji is a wide and open track, my experience is that clean races around there are quite rare. Race C at Spa is generally less dirty.
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I’ll definitely have to give Spa a shot then. Having those past several race experiences after my DR went up to an A it’s been horrid in race B. Thanks for that 👍🏽👍🏽
 
Cherryturbo
An ever developing trend I think. :guilty:
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I mean if the dailies weren't a consistent dumpster fire with a penalty system that can't be understood by mortal men and also actually punished the offender not the offended that'd be a draw, or if single player content wasn't crap that'd be a draw, but ultimately there's better/cleaner/more interesting online content in other platforms, and better single player in almost all the older titles.

I don't regret hanging up GT7 at all. I got nothing close to what I was promised, tried to stick it out, and ultimately realized it's just not for me.
 
hollowkatt
I don't regret hanging up GT7 at all. I got nothing close to what I was promised, tried to stick it out, and ultimately realized it's just not for me.
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I’m not quite there yet, but close. I haven’t raced in a couple of weeks. After the BoP “adjustment” that made the Supra way to OP I just don’t have much fun. I enjoyed trying other cars and practicing, etc., but now it just seems like a joyless slog to go with the weekly meta (usually the Supra or Nissan) and hope that races aren’t ruined by horrible penalties and even more horrible sportsmanship.

I don’t even enjoy time trialing anymore because I don’t feel like I’m practicing for anything. I’m not as fast as the A+ drivers I’m stuck with in my lobbies, and never will be no matter how much I practice. I can’t even count on some strategy to win the C races or other World Series content because they don’t actually require any strategy. Weather? Nah, it’s a teaser. Tire changes? Nah, the pit times are pointlessly long. Fuel saver? Ugh. Trying different cars for better performance? Oh wait, that’s already been killed.

I haven’t even done the new single player content from the last two updates because what’s the point? It’s not fun and doesn’t really lead anywhere.

I’m not ready to quit yet, but even Wombleleader did an entire YouTube video about race settings and how simple it could be to make challenging races. Instead, PD appears to be phoning in their weekly selections. As long as that happens, it’s all going to feel stale.

They don’t even seem test their own races. Seriously, race B wouldn’t allow people to race with the only car allowed in the race? Sure they fixed it, but that such a basic oversight that it’s obvious that they aren’t testing their own races.

It’s just so underwhelming right now.
 
hollowkatt
I mean if the dailies weren't a consistent dumpster fire with a penalty system that can't be understood by mortal men and also actually punished the offender not the offended that'd be a draw, or if single player content wasn't crap that'd be a draw, but ultimately there's better/cleaner/more interesting online content in other platforms, and better single player in almost all the older titles.

I don't regret hanging up GT7 at all. I got nothing close to what I was promised, tried to stick it out, and ultimately realized it's just not for me.
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They're certainly not doing a whole lot to keep the Sport mode loyals interested. They did just drop some new cars and added some TTs, which is cool. But as far as Dailys it's the same ol same ol week after week. Next week will be no different.

I've done three Daily Bs this week and may do more if I get bored (honestly, only did some because it's the new Formula car; had it been a bland Gr4 I wouldn't have bothered); I did zero last week. I certainly don't have the itch to play like I used to. And it's not because I don't want to... but the races just aren't interesting enough to bother.

YMMV
 
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I'm not sure what is wrong with the way people race the formula cars but clearly they are not using mirrors, the radar or the little proximity warning thing in the centre HUD.

Also I think people just can't be as sensitive with on the controls with such a high downforce fast car.

In the GR4s people miss their braking points in tens of yards but missing it by 10 feet in these cars is far worse.

I'm just hoping I can recover the brutal ratings hammering this week has given me

A down to B (just) and S down to B :(
 
Bullwinkle
I’m not quite there yet, but close. I haven’t raced in a couple of weeks. After the BoP “adjustment” that made the Supra way to OP I just don’t have much fun. I enjoyed trying other cars and practicing, etc., but now it just seems like a joyless slog to go with the weekly meta (usually the Supra or Nissan) and hope that races aren’t ruined by horrible penalties and even more horrible sportsmanship.

I don’t even enjoy time trialing anymore because I don’t feel like I’m practicing for anything. I’m not as fast as the A+ drivers I’m stuck with in my lobbies, and never will be no matter how much I practice. I can’t even count on some strategy to win the C races or other World Series content because they don’t actually require any strategy. Weather? Nah, it’s a teaser. Tire changes? Nah, the pit times are pointlessly long. Fuel saver? Ugh. Trying different cars for better performance? Oh wait, that’s already been killed.

I haven’t even done the new single player content from the last two updates because what’s the point? It’s not fun and doesn’t really lead anywhere.

I’m not ready to quit yet, but even Wombleleader did an entire YouTube video about race settings and how simple it could be to make challenging races. Instead, PD appears to be phoning in their weekly selections. As long as that happens, it’s all going to feel stale.

They don’t even seem test their own races. Seriously, race B wouldn’t allow people to race with the only car allowed in the race? Sure they fixed it, but that such a basic oversight that it’s obvious that they aren’t testing their own races.

It’s just so underwhelming right now.
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Kinda the biggest issue. Drive cars you don't like to compete in a boring no stopper race where you'll get your race ended anyway by someone that can take you out with no repercussions. The new update has helped a little, I was pretty much out when the Supra was totally meta (and crazy enough with the detune it's still totally meta). I love 911s but how the 911 seems to always be relevant is crazy to me as well.

The last truly fun week I remember was Deep Forest in Gr.3 with M/H tire swap. Since then it's been a no stop Supra fest on hards.
 
Race A is really fun this week and it's unranked, for whatever reason. I don't get it. It's just a bog-standard combo.
Unranked for wacky ones I get. These, not so much.

B is okay but I'm not too confident in my abilities with the car, and neither is everyone else judging by the carnage it brings. Haven't tried C, though the Gr.3 meta doesn't instil me with much confidence to be truthful.
 
tbh I don't think PD can fix the problems. The formula of one daily that doesn't impact DR/SR, one sprint type daily, and one long form daily is a good formula. It can be expanded sure but at its core it's pretty good and should cover the majority of interested players.

The problem comes when they're assigning/selecting circuits and also assigning/selecting the car group that will run there. There are only so many interesting combinations before we're stuck with GR.4 at one of the various Maggiore circuits again.

The next problem is the penalty system and at this point throw it out and stop handing out damage. It's not like you can even modify it so that real damage happens, or real consequences to DR/SR happen because so many of the jerks have learned to weaponize contact in a way that punishes the person they're hitting vastly more often than they are punished for the contact.

For example, I can punt someone off track and into the wall and if I do it right I'll get 4-5 seconds but they'll get 4-5 seconds as well AND they'll get damage which slows them further. Or god forbid it's a side by side on a straight and i just shove someone into the wall. Penalty for them, nothing for me.

So throw out penalties as they're pointless.

If circuits were more varied and/or car selection were more varied OR obvs superior cars were actually nerfed you'd see more people interested in dailies if only because they can drive their pet car competitively. I love my WRX in real life and I'd love to be able to race it competitively but lord knows that'll never happen.

I'm much less likely to complain and/or avoid a week when I've got more options to be competitive than "lets go drive the Supra again".
I know I know someone is going to say "just get better and more cars become an option" and for some people that's great and works and for others they either don't have the time to invest, or the desire to do so, or they're just not that good at sim racing. But that shouldn't stop them from participating and having a good time and even competing for wins but if they're no good with the OP Meta Car there's no point in participating other than to say "I did an online race".

I also think increasing payouts is sorely needed but that's another conversation for another day. Suffice to say if I can tool around Le Mans for 30 minutes and make close to 1 million credits I should be able to tool around Spa for 25 minutes competing against other real humans and make the same amount for a win. Same time investment, higher level of competition, greater opportunity for randomness, incredibly reduced payout... the math doesn't work.
 
Talon16
They're certainly not doing a whole lot to keep the Sport mode loyals interested. I certainly don't have the itch to play like I used to. And it's not because I don't want to... but the races just aren't interesting enough to bother.
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Would new tracks spark interest in playing more? More Daily race options?
 
newmedia_dev
100% agree @hollowkatt

Although I'd say that better payouts lead to a more unintended level of sportsmanship comes in to play. Just think about how the vast majority treat the AI....
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Just value payouts based on SR

Make SR S worth e.g 10x that of SR A and below and you've naturally incentivised driving clean for credit rewards.
No point punting for 1st if you get 15k for 1st at SR A instead of 110k for 2nd at SR S.
 
Nebuc72
Just value payouts based on SR

Make SR S worth e.g 10x that of SR A and below and you've naturally incentivised driving clean for credit rewards.
No point punting for 1st if you get 15k for 1st at SR A instead of 110k for 2nd at SR S.
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With the current penalty system? 🤣🤣🤣

Just playing devils advocate here is that money incentivises the wrong type of players as the motivation is based on prize pools not mastering their driving.

I concede the current system isn't the greatest either but looking at other racing games it's clear that people have to firstly enjoy the racing and the craft that goes with it. No one likes to be not first but that's the reality. I'm not sure GT embraces that fully.

It's trying to please all of the people all of the time and from a certain view point isn't doing that nor is it working for any of the player base.
 
CMB350
Would new tracks spark interest in playing more? More Daily race options?
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Tracks would be great. I'd trade half the cars in this game for more tracks.

But, more realistically? A balanced Gr3 BoP would be nice. A race C with some actual strat. Why bother with RM & RH option if the RH makes it the whole way? That's how it typically is. That's how it was at Watkins, Road Atlanta, Spa this week, and how Bathurst will be next week.

How about some variety? It is the spice of life, after all. I love Spa, but we've had it three times in the last five weeks.

A non-broken pen system.

It's all the typical stuff that others are also mentioning.
 
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newmedia_dev
With the current penalty system? 🤣🤣🤣

Just playing devils advocate here is that money incentivises the wrong type of players as the motivation is based on prize pools not mastering their driving.

I concede the current system isn't the greatest either but looking at other racing games it's clear that people have to firstly enjoy the racing and the craft that goes with it. No one likes to be not first but that's the reality. I'm not sure GT embraces that fully.

It's trying to please all of the people all of the time and from a certain view point isn't doing that nor is it working for any of the player base.
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Penalty system doesn't equate to SR to be fair - look at the Le Mans races we've had lately, they end up with half the grid dropping 2 SR levels just because they've been bump drafting.

If they're going to make adjustments in one area to improve things, they can touch others too. PD ultimately doesn't touch anything, so no matter what we're discussing it's all a crapshoot dream.
 
@Nebuc72 I've had similar thought simmering for a while now (not that it makes one jot of difference what we think). My idea differing to yours slightly in that ONLY people with SR 99 (at race start) can obtain maximum race payouts. It's a compromise on my original idea of having the Clean Race Bonus tied to reward increases.

Sure, people would get miffed at losing one paltry SR point and therefore their bonus but I think the goal is hard enough to achieve to not be as much as a gimme as SR S, and worth trying for people who don't want to participate in the grind of single player.

On another point, I think PD are in a tough position with regards to race selection. On one hand the more casual players are asking for more 'unusual and unique cars' to feature in Daily Races, and on the other we have a decent hardcore representation who won't settle for anything other than 'pure race cars'. A lot depends on your skill ceiling.
 
Spa usually a great track for me, but I'm struggling with the physics update. Down to a 2:18.8 after 30m of hotlapping there with the GT-R. I tried out the supra as well, it's been a struggle to keep it from spinning out exiting the slow corners. I find the GT-R's boost comes on a bit more predictably/is a bit easier to hear where the turbo starts spooling up.
 
Nebuc72
Penalty system doesn't equate to SR to be fair - look at the Le Mans races we've had lately, they end up with half the grid dropping 2 SR levels just because they've been bump drafting.

If they're going to make adjustments in one area to improve things, they can touch others too. PD ultimately doesn't touch anything, so no matter what we're discussing it's all a crapshoot dream.
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Absolutely, but then if you put prizes based on SR aren't you alienating half of the clean drivers that just aren't that quick as other drivers because they show sportsmanship.

It's a tough problem to be honest and I'm the real world it's your times that dictate where you are. The expectation is that those who are idiots fall quickly away.

In my not thought out ideal world there would be a selection of races / PD lobbies that were for the main GR cars with a weekly rotating specials lobby for tunning, road cars, quirky stuff.

Purely personal but I prefer cup level racing and the GR4 stuff I just find it more fun and forgiving everyone likes different racing though so that's cool.

I didn't play sport online so to me this was all new but it's getting repetitive and much less enjoyable now. Mastering a Formula car vs a tuned car vs a GR2 car vs managing fuel in GR4 car it's all a bit over the place and meh for me.

Other people will enjoy this and I hope they do but it's not really racing or honing your craft when each week you are forced to use the same car on one of a few in rotation with the pretence of strategy.

I just fail to understand their logic if they want to grow the online user base as this week has got to be the least accessible week ever. Ahhh they are driving everyone to TTs this week....
 
Talon16
Tracks would be great. I'd trade half the cars in this game for more tracks.

But, more realistically? A balanced Gr3 BoP would be nice. A race C with some actual strat. Why bother with RM & RH option if the RH makes it the whole way? That's how it typically is. That's how it was at Watkins, Road Atlanta, Spa this week, and how Bathurst will be next week.

How about some variety? It is the spice of life, after all. I love Spa, but we've had it three times in the last five weeks.
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Yep. We’re on the same page. The monthly update threads are nothing but wishlists for cars. This game has more cars than it needs. We need tracks. Lots of tracks!

I think we need more daily race options too. I realize there isn’t enough participants in online racing, currently, but it certainly seems like more options might attract a few more people or bring some others back into the mix. The same old no strat race C is getting stale.
 

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