GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Talon16]

Wait, what? Race C is now six laps and not 12 anymore?!?!

NM: Just saw it elsewhere. Dang... I didn't even get to do one.

 

[OJBrit]

The longer race C was kinda cool, wish I’d practiced a bit though, it got a bit boring after the first few laps.

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Some Masochist tried the Longboi I see. No surprise to see them fall back.

Thankfully I managed 1 of the 12 lappers yesterday. As I'm still in C I thought I'd try something left field. I pulled up in my McLaren which has served me quite well in the Gr1 offline races.
It's faster than the 919 on the straights and better in the corners than the Group C. So right down the middle of the road.
I was doing well. I was up into p5/6 from P13 and having a great battle with a Frenchman in a 919. I just had the legs over the lap and they would gain a lot from the Porsche curves to Tetre Rouge. However on lap 6 I span out of Mulsanne and took a while to get her pointed back around the right way due to the tyres. After that I crossed the line P11. So I gained but I would have been deep into the top 10 without that spin.

 

[rAtey]

I wish PD would offer an explanation for why they leave so much waiting time between Race B races. It's frustrating, and makes no sense to me. I, like the vast majority of people, handle things much better when I know the reason why, even if I disagree with it. When (PD) chooses not to explain things, it leaves us to imagine our own explanations, and most of the time that comes down to PD being ignorant/apathetic/out of touch/hate their player base or just plain stupid.

You can alternate race B and A without any waiting time this week. Have to back out the lobby quick and sign up for the next.

 

[WolfpackS2k]

This race is epic! But they just cut the length in half? WHY?!?!?! What a load of bull, damn you!

 

[TechnoIsLove]

So this is the race where I gained 8 places and went from P11 to finishing on the podium..

Still smiling as I usually experience the opposite and get rammed to the back



Edit - Just went so close to matching an alien! 🤣🤪👽

 

[BradleyLove]

Add me to the list of folks disappointed by the “fix” applied to Race C.

Whoever is in charge of Sport mode needs replacing. There’s not an iota of creative thought applied to these races.

 

[Mercia]

PD office seeing RACE C feedback

 

[Kriptical]

Profoundly disappointed to see race C cut down. Was so excited for that one. Im not even much of a fan of Sarthe, but it didn’t matter because it was a ‘proper,’ race. I don’t even do A or B anymore. To much of a chance for punters to ruin the day.

Damn

 

[Nakano219]

Given how long they took to change it, I do wonder if this is them seeing low participation numbers in Race C on Monday? Obviously we can't know if this correlates to race entry numbers at all, but Race C qualifying has 10,000 less entries than Race B qualifying, and I don't think that's a normal state of affairs, I'm pretty sure Race C always has the highest.

 

[benjoi84]

Sport Mode.... So now 2 out of the 3 races available each week we have endured the dreaded bait & switch (changing Race A to unranked after many months of fun and varied road car races there, and now the fleeting 24 hours where we could have possibly enjoyed a decent endurance challenge any day of the week).

No wonder I've been away from the online portion of the game for near enough 2 weeks now.

(It's nothing at all to do with the European heatwave which turns me into a sweaty mess at the slightest hint of effort or concentration, whatever the time of day or night 😅 )

 

[WolfpackS2k]

Given how long they took to change it, I do wonder if this is them seeing low participation numbers in Race C on Monday? Obviously we can't know if this correlates to race entry numbers at all, but Race C qualifying has 10,000 less entries than Race B qualifying, and I don't think that's a normal state of affairs, I'm pretty sure Race C always has the highest.

It would also make sense that a race which requires twice as much time commitment won't have as many entrants.

 

[icycls]

race c - seriously?! While I saw some pretty bad driving in my first race (all B/S), I fully expected the standard skill to increase throughout the week and was looking forward to more. They shoudl have, in my opinion, just embrace the experiment and run with this all week and later evaluate the participation numbers. Would that have been so hard?!

 

[moby323]

We did! Thankyou, quite a tough race still recovering from under 4 hours sleep haha!

I read this yesterday and I have been thinking about it ever since (Yes a bit weird I know). I may look into this but via the time trial instead but will have to see. I haven't done this in the past as most of the time the issue is actually the time I have then which lap do I pick etc. But I have some ideas so lets see .

Yeah I think you are right it makes more sense with time trial. I would be more than happy to donate some very average replays lol

 

[Kamikatze]

The question is by which metric PD calls a race as 'good'? Lower participation numbers aren't bad for me. In-race-dropouts are annoying but I didn't notice any significant difference between 12 and 6 laps C. I still remain optimistic that PD got some lessons learnt but hey what do I know as someone who started playing 10 weeks ago.. xD

Other quastion: Is it just me or do some races get ruined by crashed cars driving slowly suddenly unghosting on the racing line?? Happened twice to me, the last time in race B in the Chicane of Death. To add insult to injury, the 5 second penalty was even less cruel than the engine defect; yes there were yellow flags but everyone ignores them and lightnig strook me. Luckily the race is so short that I can laugh about it

 

[Kipczirczir]

I did one race yesterday. Won it by 3 sec. The race required some tire strategy. As for me 7M/5S worked fine but on the lap 7 and 12 rear tires were completely worn. What a race that was. Everyone used Gr C cars. I was looking for more races next days but now they destroyed it.

 

[Cherryturbo]

EA PGA Tour time…….

Apathy, boredom, Mario Kart ”racers”, unimaginative, repetitive, tedious, unrespectful drivers.

GT7 Sport mode has it all.

Touch paper provided by PD, ignition by players.

Time to Golf.

 

[sturk0167]

An unpopular opinion, apparently, but I am kinda relieved that C has been shortened.

95% of my racing is on my days off (Wed/Thu). I always enjoy doing the Le Mans races, and I am planning to do them this week, but was also dreading it. It's always been hard for me to stay mentally engaged in a race that is longer than about 15 or 20 minutes long.
I probably have some degree of ADD.
Now that it's 6 laps, I'm felling a bit of relief.

Anyhow, in the majority of C races, the finishing order is mostly sorted within the first 10 minutes.

 

[Theojin]

In RACE C you have so much cars to choose from, but only the old GRP C cars are competitive. I tried the Audi VGT in my first race yesterday. The Audi can brake very late, but you cruise with 270 km/h on the straights, that nearly 100 km/h slower than the GRP C cars. Any new Hybrid is useless in this race unless you have 15 fools in your race. The disadvantage of the newer GRP1 cars is something, that you can't even repair with the BOP.

PD is not able to test any of their weekly races, before they put them online, i think.

 

[Cherryturbo]

unless you have 15 fools in your race.

Doesn’t everyone always have this?

 

[TheNormsk]

So this is the race where I gained 8 places and went from P11 to finishing on the podium..

Still smiling as I usually experience the opposite and get rammed to the back

Well done! There was a lot of attrition up front in that race.

PD office seeing RACE C feedback

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And yet we still come back for more punishment....

Given how long they took to change it, I do wonder if this is them seeing low participation numbers in Race C on Monday? Obviously we can't know if this correlates to race entry numbers at all, but Race C qualifying has 10,000 less entries than Race B qualifying, and I don't think that's a normal state of affairs, I'm pretty sure Race C always has the highest.

I never got to do race C at 12 laps. I was planning on trying it tonight as last night I ended up doing something more mentally calming than racing (cycling). I must admit that racing La Sarthe does not interest me that much but 12 laps in group 1 and I was intrigued.

I can possibly see why it was changed back though. Supposedly a lot of people were quitting the race part way through. Either because they did not realize the time commitment and thought it was a 1/2 hour race or they got bored and didn't like their position and so jumped on the next race as they were still on the 1/2 hour. Also if the field was low, I can see that from being 1) a time commitment and 2) that if you want DR points, this is not the best race format as you will only get 1/2 amount of points per hour of play as there is no adjustment to DR for the length of the race.

I think there is a need for endurance races. But I think it needs to be a fourth race D. Also given the time commitment I think DR needs adjusting with a multiplier for top finishes (to encourage participation) but not the the rest of the field so you are not impacted by excessive DR decline if you are knocked into an end spot.

Race A Sprint: Sports/Road/One Make/Tuner/Experimental.
10 minute races/15 minutes
No DR but includes SR (to reduce the demolition derby guys out there)
1x prize money (100K for 1st and down from that)
Variable Grid/Rolling start
12 cars

Race B Sprint: Gr.4/Gr.3/Occasional Sports with tuner options
15 minute races/20 minutes
DR (with 1x top 6 multiplier)/SR
1.5x prize money (200K for 1st and down from that)
Rolling Start
16 cars

Race C: Gr.4/Gr.3/Gr.2/Occasional one make hypercars
25 minute races/30 minutes
DR (with 1.5x top 8 multiplier)/SR
2x prize money (300K for 1st and down from that)
Grid Start
20 cars

Race D (Endurance): Gr.3/Gr.2/Gr.1
45-50 minute races/1 hour
DR (with 3x top 10 multiplier)/SR
4x prize money (600K for 1st and down from that)
Grid Start
24 cars
Here's a wilded idea! Race D could also offer the option of a 2 hot-lap qualifier in the car you race prior to the race to determine grid position and then adjust the race so total length is still around 45-50 minutes for total of qualification and race based on track length.

For prize money there should be no payout for DNFs.

Something like that.

EDIT: Increased the prize money to put this more on part to the money grind rates...

 

[Kipczirczir]

An unpopular opinion, apparently, but I am kinda relieved that C has been shortened.

95% of my racing is on my days off (Wed/Thu). I always enjoy doing the Le Mans races, and I am planning to do them this week, but was also dreading it. It's always been hard for me to stay mentally engaged in a race that is longer than about 15 or 20 minutes long.
I probably have some degree of ADD.
Now that it's 6 laps, I'm felling a bit of relief.

Anyhow, in the majority of C races, the finishing order is mostly sorted within the first 10 minutes.

Yes, quite unpopular opinion. You can always race very short Race A (7 min). Race B isn't too long either.

 

[Cherryturbo]

Well done! There was a lot of attrition up front in that race.

And yet we still come back for more punishment....

I never got to do race C at 12 laps. I was planning on trying it tonight as last night I ended up doing something more mentally calming than racing (cycling). I must admit that racing La Sarthe does not interest me that much but 12 laps in group 1 and I was intrigued.

I can possibly see why it was changed back though. Supposedly a lot of people were quitting the race part way through. Either because they did not realize the time commitment and thought it was a 1/2 hour race or they got bored and didn't like their position and so jumped on the next race as they were still on the 1/2 hour. Also if the field was low, I can see that from being 1) a time commitment and 2) that if you want DR points, this is not the best race format as you will only get 1/2 amount of points per hour of play as there is no adjustment to DR for the length of the race.

I think there is a need for endurance races. But I think it needs to be a fourth race D. Also given the time commitment I think DR needs adjusting with a multiplier for top 5 finishes (to encourage participation) but not the the rest of the field so you are not impacted by excessive DR decline if you are knocked into an end spot.

Race A Sprint: Sports/Road/One Make/Tuner/Experimental.
10 minute races/15 minutes
No DR but includes SR (to reduce the demolition derby guys out there)
1x prize money (25K for 1st and down from that)
Variable Grid/Rolling start
12 cars

Race B Sprint: Gr.4/Gr.3/Occasional Sports with tuner options
15 minute races/20 minutes
DR (with 1x top 6 multiplier)/SR
1.5x prize money (35K for 1st and down from that)
Rolling Start
16 cars

Race C: Gr.4/Gr.3/Gr.2/Occasional one make hypercars
25 minute races/30 minutes
DR (with 1.5x top 8 multiplier)/SR
2x prize money (50K for 1st and down from that)
Grid Start
20 cars

Race D (Endurance): Gr.3/Gr.2/Gr.1
45-50 minute races/1 hour
DR (with 3x top 10 multiplier)/SR
4x prize money (100K for 1st and down from that)
Grid Start
24 cars

For prize money there should be no payout for DNFs.

Something like that.

Look Boss, the plane……..

 

[Kriptical]

Anyhow, in the majority of C races, the finishing order is mostly sorted within the first 10 minutes.

Personally…
..in many cases its only ‘sorted,’ because the door bangers and punters have already done their damage and there is no time to recover. For once, there was enough time for drivers to reveal who they are, for the race to develop character, and then sort itself out.

Meh

 

[WolfpackS2k]

^^^^I'm fully on board with a Daily Race D option, for 45-50 minute races. Short races suck, especially since people just love ramming into others on lap one which effectively bones any chance of winning a 10-15 minute race.

I did one race yesterday. Won it by 3 sec. The race required some tire strategy. As for me 7M/5S worked fine but on the lap 7 and 12 rear tires were completely worn. What a race that was. Everyone used Gr C cars. I was looking for more races next days but now they destroyed it.

I ran the races with brake bias set -3 to the front for RS tires. Doing that, could stretch 6 laps. Then it was easy to do another 6 on RM. Adjusted BB to -2 front but still lots of tread left at the end.

An unpopular opinion, apparently, but I am kinda relieved that C has been shortened.

95% of my racing is on my days off (Wed/Thu). I always enjoy doing the Le Mans races, and I am planning to do them this week, but was also dreading it. It's always been hard for me to stay mentally engaged in a race that is longer than about 15 or 20 minutes long.
I probably have some degree of ADD.
Now that it's 6 laps, I'm felling a bit of relief.

Anyhow, in the majority of C races, the finishing order is mostly sorted within the first 10 minutes.

It's okay to think that way. But the thing is, you already have EVERY OTHER Daily Race to satisfy your lack of attention span. Week in and week out.

In RACE C you have so much cars to choose from, but only the old GRP C cars are competitive. I tried the Audi VGT in my first race yesterday. The Audi can brake very late, but you cruise with 270 km/h on the straights, that nearly 100 km/h slower than the GRP C cars. Any new Hybrid is useless in this race unless you have 15 fools in your race. The disadvantage of the newer GRP1 cars is something, that you can't even repair with the BOP.

PD is not able to test any of their weekly races, before they put them online, i think.

Honestly it's about time that the Group C cars got some love and glory. They were designed in a time of speed over all else, not fuel efficiency. And until this point, just about every Gr1 event PD has come up with puts Group C cars at a disadvantage. Finally we get one where they don't. Well, we did for a day.

 

[r_epp]

Well, 3 races on Race B at A DR this morning, and 2/3 I've had my race ruined by being shoved off track. I was having a lot more fun at B level...

I did, however, just knock 3 tenths off my QT, so maybe that'll help!

 

[shio]

That's disappointing, I had a suspicion they'd cut the race length in half based off the estimated time so I gave it a go last night, it was very nice to have a 40+ minute race option for a change. Ah well.

Had fun with the one race I did, was in a lobby of DR A+ down to B (I'm in B), had a few crashes because the only Gr.1 car I've put a lot of time into isn't very competitive (GR010) so had to get used to the 787B mid race. Very fun race regardless of my low finishing position though, was hoping to be able to give it another shot.

 

[bone_tone]

Given how long they took to change it, I do wonder if this is them seeing low participation numbers in Race C on Monday? Obviously we can't know if this correlates to race entry numbers at all, but Race C qualifying has 10,000 less entries than Race B qualifying, and I don't think that's a normal state of affairs, I'm pretty sure Race C always has the highest.

A lot of people don't bother qualifying for La Sarthe, I'm usually starting as the last qualifier in about P8 or 9.

Disappointing that they've dropped this to 6 laps, as it's taken away any strategy element now (other than start on softs, or start on mediums). With 12 laps some were 1 stopping, and some 2 stopping.

Also seems that there's no point entering unless you're in the 787B, or the R92......

 

[gigio79]

Finally, PD guys show a little bit of fantasy, they realized that drivers want to have fun, and race C is perfect. Also I like Race B, but my friends and myself are playing always Race C.

 

[WolfpackS2k]

A lot of people don't bother qualifying for La Sarthe, I'm usually starting as the last qualifier in about P8 or 9.

Disappointing that they've dropped this to 6 laps, as it's taken away any strategy element now (other than start on softs, or start on mediums). With 12 laps some were 1 stopping, and some 2 stopping.

Also seems that there's no point entering unless you're in the 787B, or the R92......

Yeah the BoP among Group C needs to be adjusted.

 

[SaintEasy]

Honestly it's about time that the Group C cars got some love and glory. They were designed in a time of speed over all else, not fuel efficiency.

Sorry to be a pedant, but I LOVE being a pedant. Group C was technically an efficiency formula, so they were specifically designed for being as fuel efficient and fast as possible! It's a shame they got canned by Bernie's ego, the new HyperCar formula feels to me the spiritual successor of Group C, so don't be so down hearted about the future of racing.