GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[VR-SORN]

I'm not one to defend PD for anything, but I've been in the IT world forever, and server/network issues can run the gamut from just needing to reboot a few things, to needing to replace parts that may not be available right away.

Add to that the fact that it might not even be PD's fault. We had one instance where a major fiber cable went out (got cut, actually), and took everything down for many, many hours.

All that to say that assuming PD's incompetent may not be the best way to go. In fact, the people who take care of the data center(s) are almost assuredly not the people in charge of the stuff about PD that we hate, and I can guarantee they're pulling their hair out as they work on the issues. Most network/data center people are very dedicated, and would hate this situation more than any of us can imagine.

There is a level of incompetence if they state there is no issue. That is what they are declaring.

 

[D_Dragline]

Paging @D_Dragline Do you drop down to second in the Porsche when negotiating the windy bit before the stretch before the final two turns? Turns seven and eight, I believe.
My fastest time took it in third but I find it difficult to duplicate at speed.

No, I hold 3rd all the way through that section. The RSR is incredibly strong through there. Brief coasting is your best friend.

 

[mellofello9]

I'm not one to defend PD for anything, but I've been in the IT world forever, and server/network issues can run the gamut from just needing to reboot a few things, to needing to replace parts that may not be available right away.

Add to that the fact that it might not even be PD's fault. We had one instance where a major fiber cable went out (got cut, actually), and took everything down for many, many hours.

All that to say that assuming PD's incompetent may not be the best way to go. In fact, the people who take care of the data center(s) are almost assuredly not the people in charge of the stuff about PD that we hate, and I can guarantee they're pulling their hair out as they work on the issues. Most network/data center people are very dedicated, and would hate this situation more than any of us can imagine.

Similar history and completely agree. Every business on the planet is pushing for <EVERYTHING>aaS now which further minimizes how much control you actually have over your connectivity. If a load-balancer failed ten years ago, you walked into the data center/wiring closet and smacked it with a hammer to get it to act right. NOW you have to FIND the data center before you can even begin to levy any percussive maintenance. There is about ZERO fun to be had when dealing with issues that could be one of 27 different vendors to engage for a solution.

Also, of all the people with skin in the game, PD is the primary one losing money every second that application environment is unavailable. I'd venture to guess that they're about as motivated as they can be at the moment.😁

And all of this makes me realize how old I actually am, dammit. Pretty sure the first hard drive I installed was a 4mb monster...it was massive at the time. Then again, it was a looong time ago so it's all kinda fuzzy.

 

[walter white]

Working again in the Netherlands 🍾

 

[Famine]

Working again in the Netherlands 🍾

Yeah, I've been trying to capture screenies of the issue for an article on it but it's been fine since about 1pm here.

I guess PD knew I was looking into it

 

[VR-SORN]

It's working again but on the 2 races I had it was bad lag, 1st was unplayable teleporting the 2nd was a bit better but getting knocked about with small lag jumps. So there is still some kind of issue that I can see, but looks like its being worked on.

 

[NAXEHT]

[Ramsay]

Good.

Tokyo Expressway is my most hated track 1 - Because it's awful and 2 - Because it gets all the attention from the developers. While other tracks barely have events, Tokyo is overflowing with events.

Not to mention with the nonexistent penalties and the deplorable driver behavior, Tokyo is simply a no go zone for multiplayer.

I’d argue otherwise. Tokyo Expressway East Clockwise (Outer Loop) and Counterclockwise (Inner Loop) are tracks where I’ve had great racing online, I fondly remember Gr.3 races in GT Sport there, they were great. Two at the bottom of this post for reference, in case someone finds energy and time.

I appreciate that the experience of a race like this will vary greatly and I can see how races on this track at for example at DR C or B would be quite awful due to people unable to keep their car away from the walls and causing incidents. Depends. Again, my experience was great.

As for attention — in single player. Yes, it’s flooded with events offline but not online. In fact, thanks to the great sheet saved and updated by @Hasnain282 we can see that Tokyo Expressway as a location has only featured three times. It was a very long time ago too. Four of the specific track layouts have never been used. Lago Maggiore on the other hand as had all layouts featured and as a location we’ve had it 21 times.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Good start to the days races. As I've said before, I rarely get FL, especially if I don't start in pole position.

There is a level of incompetence if they state there is no issue. That is what they are declaring.

I doubt anyone involved is saying there's no issue. And when did they say there's no issue? Are you basing that on a webpage that says everything's fine? Because if so, don't you know that the web lies?

 

[Rossell2]

Will add my voice just had a race on Atlanta no real lag to speak of.

 

[VR-SORN]

I doubt anyone involved is saying there's no issue. And when did they say there's no issue? Are you basing that on a webpage that says everything's fine? Because if so, don't you know that the web lies?

Aha so you agree they are incompetent as they dont know the web page lies?
They are forgiven in my book if they remove the server status info. They shouldnt let us public see it.

I still have the major lag.
But this fits in with what happened last time. It gets better in stages, with my network area that last to get completely fixed.
I wonder if it goes in a certain regional order priority.

 

[benjoi84]

@TechnoIsLove great to see you on track this afternoon!

I have to apologise for the messy racing in that last one. The aggressive Swiss driver among us was making me nervous and forced a couple of errors out of me.

Great racing in general.

 

[mellofello9]

Ran some races at Atlanta yesterday. Four, actually, and was stoked since one of the stronger cars here happens to be the F-Type, which I love driving...

• Race 1 - Started on pole with a 1:25.711. I'm currently a high B/S rank and was thrown in a room full of B/S'ers. Great race, if not uneventful. Had about a 1.5 sec lead until the last lap when I fudged-up the hairpin exit onto the back straight. As far as I can tell, this is the absolute worst corner exit to screw-up...especially on the last lap, lol. P2 cruised past me on the straight and there wasn't a thing I could do about it. Ok, sure, I could've taken them to a wall so there was SOMETHING I could've done about it.😁
• The Rest - Sucked. Wish it warranted something more detailed but it doesn't. L1 punts and side-swipes for the balance of the races kinda erodes positive feedback. The rest of the lobbies were mixed B/A drivers with a couple +'s thrown in for good measure (+'s were both Sr A, everyone else was S). I really struggle to get my groove back after being taken out. One of those weaknesses I have GOT to work on...'red mist' gets me. I think I spent the rest of the night racing to the bottom with a P13, P8 and P10 streak, lol.

Gonna be an interesting week...

That reminds me, is Sr more difficult to reclaim in '7 than it was in 'Sport? I haven't really had to recover from anything in '7 yet but, and from reading posts of others, it seems WAY more difficult to accrue once lost.

 

[Cherryturbo]

I'm not one to defend PD for anything, but I've been in the IT world forever, and server/network issues can run the gamut from just needing to reboot a few things, to needing to replace parts that may not be available right away.

Add to that the fact that it might not even be PD's fault. We had one instance where a major fiber cable went out (got cut, actually), and took everything down for many, many hours.

All that to say that assuming PD's incompetent may not be the best way to go. In fact, the people who take care of the data center(s) are almost assuredly not the people in charge of the stuff about PD that we hate, and I can guarantee they're pulling their hair out as they work on the issues. Most network/data center people are very dedicated, and would hate this situation more than any of us can imagine.

I bow to your technical knowledge on the issue.

That said, and irrespective of the technicalities, shouldn’t they be at least keeping their customers informed that they are aware of issues and are trying to fix it/them?

To say their customer service is abysmal is an insult to all abysmal customer service departments!

 

[mellofello9]

To say their customer service is abysmal is an insult to all abysmal customer service departments!

Comcast/Xfinity has a survey they would like you to complete. 😁

 

[TechnoIsLove]

@TechnoIsLove great to see you on track this afternoon!

I have to apologise for the messy racing in that last one. The aggressive Swiss driver among us was making me nervous and forced a couple of errors out of me.

Great racing in general.

He took me out from P8 down to P15 the following race lol - Didn't turn at all heading into Sector 1 final chicane and just pushed me off and used me as a turning aid...

Was good racing with you 😀

 

[VR-SORN]

Gaining SR is back to normal since server crashed or no Spa. last week stuck on SR B no matter how many clean races. Now even with multiple contact door banging I have gone right up to SR S again.

 

[Voodoovaj]

As for attention — in single player. Yes, it’s flooded with events offline but not online. In fact, thanks to the great sheet saved and updated by @Hasnain282 we can see that Tokyo Expressway as a location has only featured three times. It was a very long time ago too. Four of the specific track layouts have never been used. Lago Maggiore on the other hand as had all layouts featured and as a location we’ve had it 21 times.

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Well, if the discussion is online attention, I've stated many times that the cars are what's lacking, not the tracks.

Sport Mode (not GTSport, my typo) used to have PP limited events, but the suspension glitch ruined them. Now, they fixed the glitch and also ditch PP limited racing....Like, WTF? Does any one even care over there?

With all the cars, can't we get some real variety? Like a classic Le Mans? Why have the 917 if it can't really be used?


GT6 handled these races best, but that's been lost to history.

 

[VR-SORN]

The server is now unplayable in my area, south west UK.
And also the PD test tool has failed again.

 

[Rick30301]

Working again in the Netherlands 🍾

Here in UK now too

 

[OJBrit]

I’d argue otherwise. Tokyo Expressway East Clockwise (Outer Loop) and Counterclockwise (Inner Loop) are tracks where I’ve had great racing online, I fondly remember Gr.3 races in GT Sport there, they were great. Two at the bottom of this post for reference, in case someone finds energy and time.

I appreciate that the experience of a race like this will vary greatly and I can see how races on this track at for example at DR C or B would be quite awful due to people unable to keep their car away from the walls and causing incidents. Depends. Again, my experience was great.

As for attention — in single player. Yes, it’s flooded with events offline but not online. In fact, thanks to the great sheet saved and updated by @Hasnain282 we can see that Tokyo Expressway as a location has only featured three times. It was a very long time ago too. Four of the specific track layouts have never been used. Lago Maggiore on the other hand as had all layouts featured and as a location we’ve had it 21 times.

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To be fair I have nothing against most of the Tokyos. East is good both ways and south is o.k. too if not underused. Central can go in the bin. It can be o.k. as a time trial track but as a race track it is awful!

 

[VR-SORN]

Aha, PD have let me connect. Looks promising, now to try again.

Edit: Yes all good now. And gone to SR B. Time to rebuild.

 

[MrHatss]

Good start to the days races. As I've said before, I rarely get FL, especially if I don't start in pole position.

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BTW I love the grantracker livery

 

[TechnoIsLove]

This evening was weird, but in a good way! I did 2 races on 2nd account at Road Atlanta and total positions gained = 13
In Race 1 - Started P7 and finished P2 in a lobby full of A/ B/ C rated players for SR?! I am B/S so no idea why I was put there... For once, dirty drivers actually did me a favour as they helped me move up by slowing/ hitting each other and allowing me to move past them!

Race 2 - Started P12 and after an amazing few laps 1v1 against a fast, clean driver ( RVR_oldbanger) I eventually finished in P5 in what was a very action-packed race from start to finish

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I'm having a good Qualifying day today. Shaved off around .8 seconds, ranking me at 2258, which for me is about as good as it gets.

I'm still loving the Citroën, and I can't imagine why more people aren't driving it. Very stable, and also quite fast. (Again, I'm using TCS 2.)

Aha so you agree they are incompetent as they dont know the web page lies?

I totally agree that there's a lot of incompetence at PD - either that or just plain apathy. All I was saying is that the people who support the servers aren't necessarily as bad as the ones who set up the races.

That said, and irrespective of the technicalities, shouldn’t they be at least keeping their customers informed that they are aware of issues and are trying to fix it/them?

This is my single biggest pet peeve, with virtually every company. If you don't tell us what's going on, we'll jump to our own conclusions, and they'll be the worst possible ones at that. If they just told us what's going on, they'd be amazed at how much better we'd look at them. Even if the explanation is "Someone screwed up big time, and we're working hard at fixing the mess they created."

To say their customer service is abysmal is an insult to all abysmal customer service departments!

They have a customer service department?

BTW I love the grantracker livery

Thanks! I'm a terrible artist, but I'm enjoying playing with liveries no matter what. It just feels good to have a car wearing clothes I made for it. Although in this case, I started with someone else's livery. Most of the time I make it all myself, but something about these colors, gaudy as they are, just makes me smile.

 

[VR-SORN]

I'm still loving the Citroën, and I can't imagine why more people aren't driving it. Very stable, and also quite fast. (Again, I'm using TCS 2.)

From what I recall its not a nice view in VR. That maybe why some dont use it.

 

[MrHatss]

Thanks! I'm a terrible artist, but I'm enjoying playing with liveries no matter what. It just feels good to have a car wearing clothes I made for it. Although in this case, I started with someone else's livery. Most of the time I make it all myself, but something about these colors, gaudy as they are, just makes me smile.

You did a great work! good choice of colors and neat execution

So...guys I tried race C for the first time.
I had a blast, I mean, I like a longer race cause that would be my mood in racing so I really appreciated the mandatory pit stop and so on, but I raced poorly...and did a couple of mistakes with a bad 3sec penalty absolutely my fault, I really used the brake too late cause I'm not used to the red bull ring and crashed into an user, after the race I said sorry and immediately gave him the position back.
I'll try back again....my DR is coming dangerously close to D, I was a mid B 10 days ago but I don't care, I wanna do what I like in this period

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

my DR is coming dangerously close to D, I was a mid B 10 days ago but I don't care, I wanna do what I like in this period

That's the right attitude for sure. If you're really concerned about your DR, though, you could start another account so you don't mess up your current account. But (in my opinion) it's a lot of work getting a new account up and running, and progressing far enough in the game so you can actually do online races.

 

[VR-SORN]

In the dailys I have started looking at the temperature and wind speed. I am noticing a lot of variation from one race to the next. Is this PDs way to battle the meta cars? I reckon some cars will be better with high/low track temperature than sometimes the meta.
You cant change your car once the entry loads up. So you have to run with what you have, but I like choosing lots of different cars, anything not popular really. Sometimes might get a helping hand from a really cold day or high crosswind.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Been over 2 weeks since my last win, so this feels good.

I feel a little bad for the guy who was P1, because he lost it on one of the turns and I slammed on my brakes to avoid him, which I did, but then as he started to regain control, he came right across the front of my car and his tail hit my car, and he lost it. It was totally not my fault, but it still feels bad when something like that happens.

But I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[MrHatss]

That's the right attitude for sure. If you're really concerned about your DR, though, you could start another account so you don't mess up your current account. But (in my opinion) it's a lot of work getting a new account up and running, and progressing far enough in the game so you can actually do online races.

Yep I was thinking about that, about creating an US account just to race when in the EU is late night and there are usually bad users around (kids out of school 90%) but I thought: oh maybe I need to unlock again the 9th or 10th menu cafè book and so on....I'd need time and effort.
I'm honest, I'm not happy about destroying my DR, I'd hope to stop the bleeding and stabilize around a level I'm comfortable with, but right now I'm in a freefall

Related thought: I don't wanna stop having fun in Sport Mode because of a bunch of bad users around, PD should really really really really x10 assess this, I know it's impossible to eradicate 100% of the problem, but maybe something could be done with harsher penalties and new algorithms instead of giving away an ambulance as a few days ago.....