GT7 Daily Race Discussion
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Maybe it was a matchmaking anomaly, or maybe my SR had been sneaking into A territory, but regardless of the reason my swansong race at Spa last night featured much hilarity with a few SR B drivers with really quick quali times in the mix. I was in my usual favourite grid position of 11th-14th. Apparently these guys know how to be quick but my word they can't see traffic!
Apparently a little bit of savvy kept me relatively safe amongst the chaos, not to mention a little bit of quid-pro-quo here and there. I didn't think I would best my fifth placed finish this week, but this was my moment to pull away from the riffraff into 3rd place to round my week in good fashion.
Just as an indicator of how manic Lap 1 was, 1st and 2nd were 8 seconds ahead of the pack by the time I came to La Source for the second time! Technically 3rd was a win.
Apparently a little bit of savvy kept me relatively safe amongst the chaos, not to mention a little bit of quid-pro-quo here and there. I didn't think I would best my fifth placed finish this week, but this was my moment to pull away from the riffraff into 3rd place to round my week in good fashion.
Just as an indicator of how manic Lap 1 was, 1st and 2nd were 8 seconds ahead of the pack by the time I came to La Source for the second time! Technically 3rd was a win.
TheNormsk
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Last week has been an event. I really like Gr3 at Spa and I was on a roll climbing my DR to the highest it had ever been (75% B) and then the fall came...
In the races that followed I would often QT between 2 and 4. If I could make it through turn 1 with no incident I could usually have a clean drive and get a top finish. If someone hit me at turn 1, or a Supra plowed me entering Les Combes (as were the two common situations) then I would get devoured by the hungry SR B/C drivers and I would end up at or near the bottom. My racing strategy changed to trying to hang back and stay out of trouble and then pass when the clowns in front invariably take themselves out. That was not always easy though as fighting clowns would often slow me up then putting me in the crosshairs of cars behind.
I always try to drive cleanly. Occasionally I mess up and cause carnage, but I never deliberately think I can just side swipe that car in front to make the pass... Sometimes my bottom place finishes were my fault, putting myself out. I found it much easier to lose focus when driving around you is more chaotic and unpredictable. In a way it was fairly exciting and entertaining but also frustrating. My SR probably also took a hit when I had to DNF from my wheel disconnecting mid race. Stupid Fanatecs...
A few races I found great driving with respectful drivers around me. A few where I remained at the top appeared to be like me where the drivers appears to be doing everything in the ability to get their SR back up. Those were good races where I could predict the behavior of the cars around me. The others, not so much. This is indicative of many of my races trying to get my SR back. It is a challenge!
In the end my week ended up only slightly above where I started for DR but my SR is still stubbornly at B. I like the idea or Gr.3 at Deep forest this week. I can plan pit strategy to put me in clean air so hopefully many sectors of clean driving to get SR back to S.
While SR B/C driving may be entertaining it is not where I want to be. Perhaps GT should add a "bumper car" race with damage. Last car running wins..
Great week at Spa. Had a blast racing and thought I was doing a good job keeping clean and having fun. Friday early afternoon ended-up being a great time to go racing (US, EDT). But then I fired-up the game to play again on Saturday...
Sr. = B
***** is going on here??? I had a couple missed brake points and caused a ruckus on two separate occasions and a couple unfortunate racing incidents where the person in front/couple cars up lost it and caused a 💩 storm. But knocked down to B? Was shocked as I hadn't checked before closing out the night before given I didn't think I had done anything THAT egregious. Well then, was gonna go racing but now I gotta babysit my Sr. Sorry but that one means a lot to me. I quit watching Dr when it started sucking the fun out of my races. The Sr, though, that I (try to) defend vigorously.
Five races later I was back to S. Then I got knocked back to A almost immediately. All this said, has anyone else noticed the Sr being a bit more sensitive? I didn't think I was driving any differently but I don't typically struggle with Sr this way. I feel something changed and, if it's me, I can work on it. If it's 'them', I first need to figure it out, then I can adapt.😁
Appreciate any insight that can be lent!!
My fall came from a similar hit to my SR. I've been solid S for months but with Spa, one race put me to A and suddenly the style of driving changed and more banging happened and suddenly it dropped to C. All focus then changed on trying to climb out of that SR hole.. Still also stuck at SR B.
In the races that followed I would often QT between 2 and 4. If I could make it through turn 1 with no incident I could usually have a clean drive and get a top finish. If someone hit me at turn 1, or a Supra plowed me entering Les Combes (as were the two common situations) then I would get devoured by the hungry SR B/C drivers and I would end up at or near the bottom. My racing strategy changed to trying to hang back and stay out of trouble and then pass when the clowns in front invariably take themselves out. That was not always easy though as fighting clowns would often slow me up then putting me in the crosshairs of cars behind.
I always try to drive cleanly. Occasionally I mess up and cause carnage, but I never deliberately think I can just side swipe that car in front to make the pass... Sometimes my bottom place finishes were my fault, putting myself out. I found it much easier to lose focus when driving around you is more chaotic and unpredictable. In a way it was fairly exciting and entertaining but also frustrating. My SR probably also took a hit when I had to DNF from my wheel disconnecting mid race. Stupid Fanatecs...
A few races I found great driving with respectful drivers around me. A few where I remained at the top appeared to be like me where the drivers appears to be doing everything in the ability to get their SR back up. Those were good races where I could predict the behavior of the cars around me. The others, not so much. This is indicative of many of my races trying to get my SR back. It is a challenge!
In the end my week ended up only slightly above where I started for DR but my SR is still stubbornly at B. I like the idea or Gr.3 at Deep forest this week. I can plan pit strategy to put me in clean air so hopefully many sectors of clean driving to get SR back to S.
While SR B/C driving may be entertaining it is not where I want to be. Perhaps GT should add a "bumper car" race with damage. Last car running wins..
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I know you know this, but if you want to be SR S just move out of the way and finish races, don't try hard and take the small hit on DR to gain SR.
That is all it takes, just for a few races hang back and bring it home with no contact and you'll be S in 3/4/5 races bud.
And then when you are SR S you can earn back the DR in slightly less aggressive/accident prone lobbies
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- jdeviant1983
Slightly being the key word
Ah yes, SR S lobby superiority, someone forgot to tell this guy
At least he mucked it up for himself as well
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TheNormsk
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I know but it is still not that easy. I was thinking of just running around at the back but when the QT system constantly puts you around 4th on the grid my only hope was that I had a clean turn 1 and I can then run with no challenge from those behind (the best runs were when those behind took themselves out). In those runs I would always be happy sitting behind the leaders and not risking my position.
The problem was when the field behind attacks me. I try to keep out their way but then I usually get knocked into the pack and my attempt of clean SR then goes out of the window when I get punted or hit into a wall or knocked into another car...
Anyway race C it probably is this week. Race C has traditionally been a good SR builder but I hated the Gr.4 Nurburgring combo last week so didn't do it.
Now to race C strategy!
I presume fuel is not an issue for this one right?
Also, are any cars better for wear on soft tires over others? Considering the mandatory stop I would like to try to have some flexibility on when to pit to get clean air...
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- Ulricehamn
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I realize this, but that still isn't a good reason and it still should not happen. I would rather have a room of 5-6 equal drivers than a full room with numpties in the mix.
It just happened yesterday where SR B's were in the room with SR S and what happened? They drove like numpties, hit me, put their cars in places where contact could not be avoided, and my SR S dives to SR A. I took the next race to drop to the back and get a clean race in order to restore it to SR S.
But good clean drivers should not have to SELF PENALIZE to make up for the behavior of those who should be penalized more. You are not truly your DR rating unless you can get there cleanly. No one is truly an A or A+ if they have to drive to the detriment of others to get there.
Again, bring back severe penalties and watch the rooms get clean within a week.
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jumped into an early morning race C. Put up a decent time (for monday) in both the GenX and 911, decided to take the 911 for a drive since I haven't used it in awhile.
I pitted lap2 and didn't change tires. Fuel is no issue. But I had no tires left at the end of the race (I'm also terrible on tires, so take that for what it is worth). I wonder if later pits were changing tires? I might try a lap 4 or 5 pit and take the few seconds to put fresh softs on for my next race.
Good luck!
I pitted lap2 and didn't change tires. Fuel is no issue. But I had no tires left at the end of the race (I'm also terrible on tires, so take that for what it is worth). I wonder if later pits were changing tires? I might try a lap 4 or 5 pit and take the few seconds to put fresh softs on for my next race.
Good luck!
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Deep Forest on softs 12 laps with a pit and cars with personality.
I could cry.
I could cry.
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But SR S means you can read these people and let them go, you are in a stronger position behind them than in front of them.
If you are in front you depend on their decision making. If you are behind you make the decisions
S is about better race craft and that is knowing when to defend or work on lining someone up when it matters
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I agree with everything but this. I do agree we should have strict penalties again but I think the only way to make the rooms clean again is both players get penalised on all contacts. The dirty driver then tumbles dow because he has many contacts while the clean driver has few. And it prevents gaming the penalty system as has been the norm before when we had strict pens.
And yes, it shouldn't happen that SR S ends up with SR B, but it's obvious the game was built for a larger selection of matchmaking.
Lobbies like that are nearly non-existant in EU where there's so many more racing
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Last week I did a lot of Race C's. I am on west coast USA. Despite racing at normal times, there were clearly not enough drivers. Folks ranging from DR A+ to B were being put in same lobbies almost every time. The game still did its best and put only minimal number of SR A/B folks in my lobbies, even though it meant most of my lobbies had only 13-14 players instead of usual full 16 players that I am used to seeing a month ago.
The trend in last one month worries me a bit that GT7 Sport is perhaps on a decline. I feel players are slowly abandoning GT7 Sport. My lobbies are no longer full. The variety in DR and SR has widened. I sincerely hope that PD puts in more effort in Sport before Forza Motorsport 8 arrives.
The trend in last one month worries me a bit that GT7 Sport is perhaps on a decline. I feel players are slowly abandoning GT7 Sport. My lobbies are no longer full. The variety in DR and SR has widened. I sincerely hope that PD puts in more effort in Sport before Forza Motorsport 8 arrives.
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As you have to pit anyway, wouldn't it be worth changing tires anyway? How long does that take compared to the increased lap time with fresh rubber and the risk of going off?
Could also be peak summer vacation. I had B races that were not full this last weekend. That's rare. Still you could be right about decline. The game's be out for 1-1/2 years now and people are moving on without much new compelling content in Sport.
I will be seriously looking at Forza Motorsport in October when that comes out. I'll expect to be less on GT7 then...
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well, exactly. For myself, I will likely gain those few seconds back with more confident driving. I shoudl say, even with no tires left on the 911, my race wasn't a disaster, I could drive on the tires, but definitely slower and less confident. (there were others who were flailing in the last few laps!)
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It's hard to know, sport mode does have a frustrating high learning curve that quite a few don't stick with especially if you've spent time racing the AI and then think you can race the same in multi player which is clearly what a lot of people think/approach online like to start with.
But it is the summer holidays as well so a natural drop off of people going outside/holidays doing family stuff may account for some decline.
For reference the last few TTs have seen record participation numbers although the MC20 one probably lowered that a bit as it was high on the difficulty scale.
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- mellofello9
Obviously won't pretend to represent a majority (or anyone other than myself, really), but this was a HUGE factor for me. You walk into the room all puffed-up and super confident like a great big balloon of hope...that happens to be floating towards a cactus farm. 😁
Won't lie, reality sucks even worse than my driving did when I started. You really, REALLY gotta want to do better to pursue it. Otherwise, a similar fix is waaaaay easier to obtain elsewhere. But that's the problem, it's only similar. The feeling of nailing the perfect pass, floating a corner JUST right, dodging disaster...these are things that only head-to-head racing with real people can provide.
Real people bring the real challenge to the equation. 'The Human Factor.' And that, in my opinion, simply cannot be synthesized.
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I wonder why there's such a difference in participation, considering racing is a relevant esport as well, between online players in racing games vs others. Sports games generally have huge online numbers to the point that's all EA and 2K focus on when creating new games, their Ultimate Team and MyPlayer modes etc. as well as of course the Call of Duty, Battlefield, Fortnite battle royale shooter games which have flirted with ditching single player content altogether.Real people bring the real challenge to the equation. 'The Human Factor.' And that, in my opinion, simply cannot be synthesized.
When it comes to racing games, and I've seen similiar info regarding F1, single player modes still get the biggest numbers.
You'd think racing would be the ideal online experience, it certainly is to me.
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That's the pull of racing if you can really appreciate that there are always faster or better drivers and you want to improve you will get and do better.Obviously won't pretend to represent a majority (or anyone other than myself, really), but this was a HUGE factor for me. You walk into the room all puffed-up and super confident like a great big balloon of hope...that happens to be floating towards a cactus farm. 😁
Won't lie, reality sucks even worse than my driving did when I started. You really, REALLY gotta want to do better to pursue it. Otherwise, a similar fix is waaaaay easier to obtain elsewhere. But that's the problem, it's only similar. The feeling of nailing the perfect pass, floating a corner JUST right, dodging disaster...these are things that only head-to-head racing with real people can provide.
Real people bring the real challenge to the equation. 'The Human Factor.' And that, in my opinion, simply cannot be synthesized.
I have a lot of non console racing experience both real world and PC for a long time and in both cases it was a mutual respect there was no banter just we were lucky enough to be there or getting working so we could all race. Positions were just something you ended up with. The fun was being able to race.
Fast forward to the plug and play, smash the AI round a bit, think you are Senna, rock up to a highly competitive B race, get tapped or bang doors...see red mist, dive expecting AI like behaviour but the person gets sent to the shadow realm....think that is the way to win/finish "where you deserve" and it's a self reinforcing loop of behaviour
This is why I'm a massive advocate of doing the Circuit Experiences, not about getting better QTs (but it MASSIVELY helps) more about building familiarity and muscle memory. Once you start to get that you can start to approach the races more tactically because you know what is literally around the next corner and how to be quick (relative) around the track. And in human racing it's consistency and decision making that separates us from the machines
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Learning, appreciating and respecting this sentiment behind this single sentence changed my GTSport/GT7 experience. Until you can get past the "I SHOULD BE WINNING ALL OF THESE RACES" intro movie, life is gonna suck. And not just for you, but everyone around you, too.
I know, I know, preachin' to the choir here. But, if ONE rando happens to stumble into the room, reads that and it resonates, I'll take it as a win. 😁
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I was a community rep and community advisor for FIFA for 4 years just as FUT became a real money machine.
Racing is different to a lot of other games in that it isn't as "twitch/clutch" depended (not the platform or car things)
If you imagine immersion for CoD and something like FIFA then taking your team to the top of the league or winning the World Cup, you set the difficulty and live out your fantasy. Same with racing games. Although the SP part of GT probably plays a lot to tuning and winning or under-dogging the AI but without the scrutiny of other players or harsh penalties.
CoD has fast play turnaround times and instant or near instant respawn times. Interestingly with CoD the most esport modes CtF and Hardpoint or the bomb mode are the least played by casuals as well as they require teamwork and a certain level of skill beyond the battle royal or straight TDM modes.
Racing doesn't largely have the same appeal for a lot of people because driving cars fast is pretty nuanced, tight racing is unforgiving if you aren't experienced and ultimately for casual players it can be somewhat unrewarding for time spent vs finishing position.
If I finished 10th but great battling and held my own in a fair-ish lobby with people of my skill and above I'd love that. Casuals will focus on not winning. But racing isn't battle royale gaming.
So you need a certain mindset to get the most from online racing regardless of game or platform.
And I will say and I am not wanting to start a debate on this, but peripherals can make a difference the more you understand driving mechanics and racing in general. They offer something you just can't get with a controller and it's why even today our cars normal and race cars use that set up rather than joysticks.
Edit: and that the equipment may well factor in to being a barrier as Kaz once mentioned. And with fifa and cod for example other than mouse and keyboard there is no other controller options hardware wise
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So even within the racing game playerbase itself, single player still has more participants.
Do you think this might be the average age coming into play? Certainly racing games seem to pull an older audience overall, one that hasn't grown up with online gaming as the mainstream option.
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I think that probably has a lot to do with it.
If you imagine that actually being able to just drive puts you at 16-17 US/UK and then actually getting good at it (not even fast but just being literally road safe and not a boy/girl racer) then you are probably 20 years old.
Even at that age do you take the mechanics of going fast, racing closely to computer cars seriously? I don't know but I'd imagine it's very few that are serious about racing computer people.
Edit: I also think that generally the average age of gamers is getting higher and higher.
When I started gaming it was on a packard bell 486 25sx with a 5 and 1/4 drive
And I'm 44 now and had almost every gaming device since then and still have CoD, FIFA, Uncharted, Tomb Raider, mega man remaster - none of which I actually play as I play GT exclusively now but 🤣
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I've played enough online games over the years to expect that. Whether it's in my game room on a PS5 or at Seattle GameWorks on an eight person full motion arcade machine you pay $3 a pop to play, there are folks that think only one thing in a racing game: it's funny to bump others offvtge track.
Most of my races are packed with SR B and C drivers. They cry "DIRTY!!" the loudest.
Funny thing is this, using the exact same car, lines and technique, after the Spa Race B ended yesterday, I golded the CE.
I also ran the Toyota Gazoo round 7 race, all the drivers were D/S rated. I was in a race with 15 other D rated drivers who did their best not to hit anything. It happened, though... a lot. I don't blame anyone, it's a new car on horrible tires and none of us in that race were experts. I wound up 10th, no doubt would have been faster if not for being bashed out of P1 in the qualifier, but also woulda been faster if I had more experience overall.
I'm just happy to have led part of the whole thing period. It's a great feeling, and I get an in game car out of it that I can absolutely punish AI with.
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Obviously won't pretend to represent a majority (or anyone other than myself, really), but this was a HUGE factor for me. You walk into the room all puffed-up and super confident like a great big balloon of hope...that happens to be floating towards a cactus farm. 😁
Real people bring the real challenge to the equation. 'The Human Factor.' And that, in my opinion, simply cannot be synthesized.
Indeed!
I remember my first GT Sport race: straight to Race C with Gr2 at Fuji - expecting a podium - I got lapped by half the pack😂
