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I am in utter disbelief at the moment. I've not been as active in the forum this week because, with the exception of 1 or 2 races on Tuesday, the rest of my attempts to have a decent race have been impossible!



Disgrace on PD to still allow this to happen almost 2 years into the game's release...
I know, it's unbelievable what people can get away with. Last week (video posted previously) I was side-swiped off by an A/S(!) driver, who had punted his way from 6th to 1st. Ding dong battle on C this week, and the guy behind hits me off on the last corner and takes the lead - says "sorry" in the chat - not sorry at all really. These are just two incidents, but there's a hardly race goes by without some plonker trying to take the lead from P12. As for penalties, I've had them on 3 occasions for being hit from behind or clipping an out of control car.

On a positive note, there are Black Friday deals on Fanatec - I just got some CSL V2 pedals :)
 
I think it helps, but who's to say for sure? One hour during the day it helps. Then later on I can't come within a half second of my best time. This track frustrates me to no end. I just don't understand its nuances.

I mean, I ran behind one of the leader's ghost, and after the second turn (the hairpin), he just took off and I couldn't come close. Like I said, this track just messes with my mind.
Ok here's what you can do

First of all:
Watch the replay of a top player (->Sport mode, select the daily race, select the podium icon, show global leaderboards and choose a replay from a player who uses the same car as you). Once the replay starts, pause it, from the settings icon on the right turn on all HUD info and select the same view you usually use while racing. Also remember to press circle so that the play/rewind fast forward indicators disappear and you can see the normal driving HUD. That way you have in first person everything they do: how, how much and when they steer, change gear, accelerate, decelerate, brake and lift it.

You have to use their replay (not ghost) only to take notes (literally or figuratively, or both).

THEN run on your own, trying to replicate what you remember from their replay.

Start a qualifying session. Before you get in your car, go to settings, then ghost settings. You have 3 important options:
-load ghost --> not for now
-show the ghost of the best performance --> enable it
-show the loaded ghost --> not for now
Do 5-10 laps to get familiar with the track. After your first lap the ghost will appear. I turn it off most of the time with R3 and turn it on rarely only to see where I'm at compared to it. If you improve your previous lap time, the ghost will be replaced with the more recent and faster one. Use the ghost, plus the time +/- indicator above the rev limiter (and what you remember the the op player replay) to improve.
Once this session is done, save the replay of your own best lap. There's a specific option for it.

Run a second qualifying session, but this time:
-load ghost --> select your best at the top
-show the ghost of the best performance --> disable it
-show the loaded ghost --> enable it
If you don't disable the second option it could become very confusing...you'll have two ghost on track with you and you don't know which is which.
Again, turn on/off the ghost of your best QT whenever you want, but don't let it deconcentrate you. If you see that it took off in the first 2-3 corners, restart the session. It's useless to keep going for that lap.

This is what I do to improve. This way I know 99% of the time what I'm doing wrong and experiment with small changes (steering, gear changing, accelerating/decelerating, braking harder/softer/earlier/later)
Also try to make your own changes to the racing line (remember the Gran Turismo movie?)
Are you using full or weak ABS? I started using weak a few months ago and basically it was a night and day difference.
I'm not like Tidgney, I very rarely use visual clues to brake. I mostly use the classic braking area. Sometimes I brake earlier or later than it, depending on how I feel going in the corner and how I perform compared to my own ghost.
It's all relative.

Then of course you can experiment with the brake bias. You start at 0 for the first lap or two, then change it to -1, -2, or whatever, without changing your driving habits. You'll find which one will give you the best lap.

It's not a fast process, it takes patience. But in the end you'll improve... not just your racing for the week, but your way of racing in general. Like being smooth with the steering, occasionally applying throttle in corners or gently tapping the brakes or simply letting all pedals go for a second or two...
And most of all, in time you'll know by heart how cars act on a specific track....Until PD changes the physics or performance points again
 
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Wow, I really appreciate your taking the time to give such a detailed response. It should be MUST READING for anyone trying to improve, for sure.

Now, for me specifically:
First of all:
Watch the replay of a top player (->Sport mode, select the daily race, select the podium icon, show global leaderboards and choose a replay from a player who uses the same car as you). Once the replay starts, pause it, from the settings icon on the right turn on all HUD info and select the same view you usually use while racing. Also remember to press circle so that the play/rewind fast forward indicators disappear and you can see the normal driving HUD. That way you have in first person everything they do: how, how much and when they steer, change gear, accelerate, decelerate, brake and lift it.

You have to use their replay (not ghost) only to take notes (literally or figuratively, or both).
I definitely do this. In fact, I keep the recording and refer to it regularly. It certainly helps a lot. My problem is, though, that once I get past the obvious wrong things I'm doing, there's a lot of subtle nuances that I just don't see, most of the time.

But when I get to that point, here's what I do (I'm a pretty decent video editor, so this may not work for everyone): I take the recording of one of the leaders, and a recording of my best time, and bring them into a video editor and place them side-by-side. Then I start syncing up portions of the video.

I usually first sync up when the timers start, but in this example I couldn't do that because he had a best time that flashed over his timer for 3 seconds. So I synced up as soon as his timer showed an actual value. This will be a little hard to see the timers:

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I'm off by a frame or two, but it won't matter.

Then I advance to another point in the race, where I can sync up the images - these aren't spot-on, burt I'll show you why it doesn't matter in a moment:

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You may or may not be able to see the timers above, but this is what it looks like in my editor's timeline:

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That black gap there shows I lost .7 seconds before I even got to the first hairpin!

So that one was pretty easy to figure out what I was doing wrong.

I haven't gone any deeper yet, but I will soon.
 
I am in utter disbelief at the moment. I've not been as active in the forum this week because, with the exception of 1 or 2 races on Tuesday, the rest of my attempts to have a decent race have been impossible!

The amount of times the dirtiest, scummiest drivers out there ruined mine (and plenty of other people's) races and get away with nothing or a minor slap on the wrist... I cannot even count! I thought maybe today would be different, so I stupidly hopped into my 2nd account hoping for a fresh start... NOPE!

Started P14 at Lago and could already see the mayhem, mostly caused by one driver! He single-handedly took out half the field by the end of lap 1 and only a 0.5 sec penalty for going off track to show for it! Of course, I catch up and managed to overtake him. Soon after, he turns into me T1 and I survive and I think was up to P11 at that point. You cannot hear it in the replay but all he did was rest his finger on the horn button and push people off until he finally nails me by turning into me again start of lap 3 - THREE times! I was already spinning on the 2nd hit and he did it again for good measure 2 seconds later.

Disgrace on PD to still allow this to happen almost 2 years into the game's release...


Same issue and my time as a B/S driver is 664 in the world :/

Why the poo emoji? I was agreeing with you :(
 
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Wow, I really appreciate your taking the time to give such a detailed response. It should be MUST READING for anyone trying to improve, for sure.

Now, for me specifically:

I definitely do this. In fact, I keep the recording and refer to it regularly. It certainly helps a lot. My problem is, though, that once I get past the obvious wrong things I'm doing, there's a lot of subtle nuances that I just don't see, most of the time.

But when I get to that point, here's what I do (I'm a pretty decent video editor, so this may not work for everyone): I take the recording of one of the leaders, and a recording of my best time, and bring them into a video editor and place them side-by-side. Then I start syncing up portions of the video.

I usually first sync up when the timers start, but in this example I couldn't do that because he had a best time that flashed over his timer for 3 seconds. So I synced up as soon as his timer showed an actual value. This will be a little hard to see the timers:

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I'm off by a frame or two, but it won't matter.

Then I advance to another point in the race, where I can sync up the images - these aren't spot-on, burt I'll show you why it doesn't matter in a moment:

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You may or may not be able to see the timers above, but this is what it looks like in my editor's timeline:

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That black gap there shows I lost .7 seconds before I even got to the first hairpin!

So that one was pretty easy to figure out what I was doing wrong.

I haven't gone any deeper yet, but I will soon.
It's think it's waaaay too specific that way and you could go crazy trying to match what others do frame by frame. You're not a machine, nobody is. Top players aren't perfect either. As crazy as it may sound, you might be better than the top 1 driver in ONE specific corner!! Ok maybe that's too much.

The problem with syncing is that we all have different driving styles anyway.
We also have different hardware. Wheel users also have different deadzones and sensitivities. Speaking of steering sensitivity, I'm on pad and mine is always set to 10. Some other players could prefer it at 8. Most top players are on wheel and I'm pretty sure the variables are almost infinite.
Many things must be taken into consideration.
Again you'll go crazy if you focus too much on that.

Let's pump the brakes.

As I wrote above I think you should use other people's replay only to take notes, so to an extent. Learn the basics of what should be done right. But we all know there are no specific rules. What makes the variables infinite is not just the hardware and the track and the car and the tires etc etc etc.....but also...us.

Apply those general rules you see in replays (braking points, amount of braking, gear entering the corner, gear exiting the corner, and so on... ) to your driving. It should be fun. It should evolve. That's why you should race your own ghost and see the time difference above the rev limiter.
Focus on you, on improving your own best lap. That's how you improve, not comparing yourself to the top players, especially in a very mechanical, digital, calculated way.

I think we can all agree it's a general rule in life to see our own progress: we should compare ourselves to how we were yesterday. Not to others.


Same issue and my time as a B/S driver is 664 in the world :/

Why the poo emoji? I was agreeing with you :(
Personally I read it as "I'm a BS driver" (that's me. I'm a 💩 driver and I'd add a poop emoji to my own comment if I could, just for fun.)
 
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Gonna miss Fuji when it’s gone next week, it has been quite kind to me. Lots of clean competitive racing, culminating in a 6 lap 3 way battle to decide the podium last night, with barely a bump between the three of us. Managed to get the DR up to A with a bunch of solid top 5’s in a row.

I know it hasn’t been everyone’s experience, but it’s worked out for me 🙂
 
It's think it's waaaay too specific that way and you could go crazy trying to match what others do frame by frame. You're not a machine, nobody is. Top players aren't perfect either. As crazy as it may sound, you might be better than the top 1 driver in ONE specific corner!! Ok maybe that's too much.
Nah, you're misinterpreting what I said. I use this method to learn what sections of the track offer the largest chance of improvement, for me. When I discovered that I lost .7 seconds in the first turn, I changed how I drove that section to quit being such a pussy around the first corner.

I did look closely at how he handled the hairpin, and that helped. I also inspected his line from there to the downhill straight, and learned a few things too.

If I rely on the ghost only, it's hard to tell how far behind I'm getting, depending on the angles and slope of the track.

With all that said, I didn't improve my time, but that's just the typical inability to put all the sections together. At one point, I was almost 3/4 of a second ahead of my best time. Unfortunately I noticed that, and that was the end of a good run. :lol:
 
With all that said, I didn't improve my time, but that's just the typical inability to put all the sections together. At one point, I was almost 3/4 of a second ahead of my best time. Unfortunately I noticed that, and that was the end of a good run. :lol:
What's your best time and in what car? I remember that you were always between DR B and A
 
With all that said, I didn't improve my time, but that's just the typical inability to put all the sections together. At one point, I was almost 3/4 of a second ahead of my best time. Unfortunately I noticed that, and that was the end of a good run. :lol:
Isn't that always how it goes. You don't notice the time and you get a good run, or you lose .3s on the first corner and you think your QT is done only to be up? But, if you notice with a few corners to go that you are .6, .7s ahead, then somehow, nearly every time, you'll mess up the last corners trying to "preserve" the advantage only to come in .2s slower... :banghead:

I no longer chase my own ghost and only chase a target ghost with a time that is a "stretch goal" for me. Usually my best laps are first lap when there is no timed gap displayed. If I see what that it, it kills me..

Wish there was an option in GT7 to switch the time gap off.

For this week though, once I got my good QT and then had some bad races, I tried over and over to improve and only worsened. So, I gave up for the week and did yard work instead....
 
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Hey... Might be a stupid question! So I have the DD Pro wheel and pedals. Is the CSL load cell kit compatible? Seems to be the only load cell available and don't want to buy the wrong part 😂
 
Wish there was an option in FT7 to switch the time gap off.
If you race in VR, you get no time delta. So, it's as simple as getting PSVR2.

Hey... Might be a stupid question! So I have the DD Pro wheel and pedals. Is the CSL load cell kit compatible? Seems to be the only load cell available and don't want to buy the wrong part 😂
That's the one that I've got with my DD pro.
 
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I would highly recommend getting the V2 pedals over the load cell upgrade. Currently they’re on Black Friday sales for only $200.
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Hey... Might be a stupid question! So I have the DD Pro wheel and pedals. Is the CSL load cell kit compatible? Seems to be the only load cell available and don't want to buy the wrong part 😂
Yes.

But buy the V2 like has been said. Load cell is an awesome addition but if I did it over I would have upgraded to the V2.
 
You're WAY above us. I'm 2:06.1xx and no matter how hard I try I can't get a faster time with the 650S (btw always matched with A DR and some B at the back).
The car goes faster than I can make it go.

The car goes faster than you can get out of it.

The limiting factor is us and our race craft.

Game the the system, just finish top 5 if you can.

Or and this is tongue in cheek, drive the car better. But it helps.

In all seriousness when you watch the replays back it's not about when they brake, it's about for how long and what gear they take.

I'm not better than anyone on this forum. Or in the world. Go check the time trial thread and that humbles us all.

But and again I mean this sincerely it takes effort to get competitive. That is lobby dependent I agree but there is no reason other than I put a lot of laps in compared to some people.

I enjoy it mostly but it also means I learn the lines, the gearing and just extracting a good time. In race it's a free for all.

But rocking up and thinking you'll be fast or competitive is half the problem with sport mode especially in mixed lobbies.
 
A lot of you have reported similar situations to what I'm about to report, but this has never happened to me so often in such a short span of races.

The last 3 Daily Race Bs I've done today, I've been smashed to hell on Lap 1, either right after T1 or as I'm rounding T2.

When I've read about this happening often to some of you, I usually just chalk it up to people not understanding how to drive that part of the track on lap 1.

Well, I friggin' know how to drive that section of the track, and through absolutely no fault of my own, I've been trashed to hell and back.

I'm done with this week, which sucks because I really wanted to race more today, but after having this happen 3 times in a row, I just can't subject myself to it again.

I might do some Q laps. We'll see.

What's your best time and in what car? I remember that you were always between DR B and A
2:06.440 in the 650.
 
A lot of you have reported similar situations to what I'm about to report, but this has never happened to me so often in such a short span of races.

The last 3 Daily Race Bs I've done today, I've been smashed to hell on Lap 1, either right after T1 or as I'm rounding T2.

When I've read about this happening often to some of you, I usually just chalk it up to people not understanding how to drive that part of the track on lap 1.

Well, I friggin' know how to drive that section of the track, and through absolutely no fault of my own, I've been trashed to hell and back.

I'm done with this week, which sucks because I really wanted to race more today, but after having this happen 3 times in a row, I just can't subject myself to it again.

I might do some Q laps. We'll see.
It's sunday. All the kids are online. It is the worst day of the week to race online. I gave up trying a long time ago.

2:06.440 in the 650.

I think your QT is good for your level. Don't panic, you made progress. You've come a long way since you asked who was in the right and in the wrong (the infamous "Vortex of Danger" dilemma) taking the uphill corner at RBR. I believe you were always driving in B DR, then with time you started climbing A, and now you're in between the two.
There's always room for improvement.

But me...I think I've reached a plateau using the pad. Sometimes I'm frustrated because I'm not where I want to be with my lap times, grid positions, DR and SR levels, but at the same time I acknowledge I was a C-C in GT Sport and now I'm a steady low A-S/A-A.

(the frustration of starting in 10th and getting crashed all the way back to 16th is another story. This crap made me go back to B DR a couple of times a few months ago)
 
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It's sunday. All the kids are online. It is the worst day of the week to race online. I gave up trying a long time ago.
It's funny you should mention that - I was just thinking the same thing.

I'm not frustrated about my actual times, by the way. I'm usually quite happy with where I end up being placed. But this week my times kept me starting at P10-P14 in A lobbies, and that's just no fun.

But I don't have to worry about that anymore, with the recent nosedive I've taken over the last couple of days.
 
A lot of you have reported similar situations to what I'm about to report, but this has never happened to me so often in such a short span of races.

The last 3 Daily Race Bs I've done today, I've been smashed to hell on Lap 1, either right after T1 or as I'm rounding T2.
Some days you just get a ****ty crowd racing around you. I will say weekends are the worse and midweek, work hours are usually the best. Post dinner mid week is variable.
 
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I'm not one for whininging about and naming and shaming dirty drivers, but sometimes you come across such an ******** needs must. I was going to edit a video clip to post, then found it had been done before, numerous times. Seems he's rather well known for it.



This will entertain any fellow victims of this piece of human gargbage


Even from two years ago
 
I'm not one for whininging about and naming and shaming dirty drivers, but sometimes you come across such an ******** needs must. I was going to edit a video clip to post, then found it had been done before, numerous times. Seems he's rather well known for it.



This will entertain any fellow victims of this piece of human gargbage


Even from two years ago

I'm genuinely astonished this is the first time you've heard of him. He's absolutely notororious in the community, I don't know any regular player that doesn't know of him.
Hilarious driver though - I have a mate that's mates with him and he'll hop into his lobbies sometimes and he's the fastest, cleanest driver in the world. Absolute enigma of a man.
 
I'm genuinely astonished this is the first time you've heard of him. He's absolutely notororious in the community, I don't know any regular player that doesn't know of him.
Hilarious driver though - I have a mate that's mates with him and he'll hop into his lobbies sometimes and he's the fastest, cleanest driver in the world. Absolute enigma of a man.
True, he does seem rather notorius, why the hell hasn't he been banned? So how do you deal with a driver like him?
Revenge attack? Seems he doesn't care about that, he probably just takes it as a sign his dirty driving is having the desired effect, and the knock on effects will ruin other peoples races.
When he's faster, let him through, then smile as he takes out the drivers ahead of you?
When he's in the way is the trickier one, you know what's coming if you try a clean pass. So punt him wide, then slip through? Pit manouver him before he has time to get you first?
 
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