Yeah I agree with the smoothness, but the main tell is the steering angle that wheel users can generate through the low speed corners. Controller users can't turn as much and look like they understeers all the time, whereas wheel users fly through those kind of corners with more turning angle.
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Please provide evidence for this statement.... Because there are several reasons for understeering....
If so, I would rather agree that PAD users are at a disadvantage in very fast corners where the full steering angle does not have to be used. But with what you describe, I don't see a real problem in using the pad.
? I thought it's well known at this point that controller users can't generate the steering angle that wheel users can. The last update helped but I myself use a controller and I cannot turn as much as the wheel users through sector 3 at Fuji for instance. I've done well over 200 laps there this week and I often save replays to see where other drivers are gaining time. They can turn far sharper through the low speed chicanes at that track. I didn't say I was understeering, I said it feels as though I am compared. I'm not the only one that has this problem at that track this week either as seen above. It was also apparant at the Red Bull Ring a couple of weeks ago at the 1st and final corners too. Though they're more of a medium speed corner and this was before the update to the physics.
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Try some different cars, even if they're not competitive! Just to learn and get used to being very easy on throttle. The Porsche, BRZ GT300, Evo Gr3, and more have very stable rear-ends. Now, they may not be competitive in the race, but it's a good start!
I get it, trust me. Some days I just can't seem to keep the rear from wanting to visit the front. And on those days, I'll throw TC on 1. Some tracks/cars, I'll turn it on just at a specific turn/section/sector and turn it back off. I did this at the RBRing, I'd turn on TC1 thru T1 because of how bouncy it was, then turn it off for the rest of the track.
But, to your point, it's very restrictive.
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Sometimes while I am working I'll have Rory's stream in the background. One of these names looks familiar @NikNakTobasco
Good lap, dude!
Good lap, dude!
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so, decided to do a race B today. Got in an all D room, my time was good enough to start on pole, Spanish driver in second qualified about 8 tenths behind me. Mixed grid, obviously a lot of beetles, but also an Audi, a WRX, a Honda, a Genesis and a Nissan
rather uneventful race, other then the issue to get the Corvette through some of the corners. But extended my lead a few tenths every lap and finished first, about 2 seconds ahead of the Genesis. It was nice to get the Corvette to a win, such an awesome looking car. But need a lot more practice to be able to be more stable driving for multiple laps in this game, especially once i get in a higher rating, lack the confidence in my ability at the moment.
rather uneventful race, other then the issue to get the Corvette through some of the corners. But extended my lead a few tenths every lap and finished first, about 2 seconds ahead of the Genesis. It was nice to get the Corvette to a win, such an awesome looking car. But need a lot more practice to be able to be more stable driving for multiple laps in this game, especially once i get in a higher rating, lack the confidence in my ability at the moment.
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Well, at the risk of banging on about the same thing again, all this talk of controller cornering is relatively easy to fix IMHO.
All PD need to do is allow the use of a brake balance controller in BoP races. Users can set their preference whether on a controller or a wheel.
It is available in GT Sport as standard and also in GT7 Circuit Experience so why they removed it in GT7 Daily races only they can answer. On a personal note I find that it sours my GT7 experience greatly.
As per usual, they will likely do nothing unless some “celebrity streamer” contacts them directly. No offence intended with the term, just couldn’t think of a better description.
All PD need to do is allow the use of a brake balance controller in BoP races. Users can set their preference whether on a controller or a wheel.
It is available in GT Sport as standard and also in GT7 Circuit Experience so why they removed it in GT7 Daily races only they can answer. On a personal note I find that it sours my GT7 experience greatly.
As per usual, they will likely do nothing unless some “celebrity streamer” contacts them directly. No offence intended with the term, just couldn’t think of a better description.
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Some good racing today. Did a couple of races in both B & C. All with decent results. Funny how you go from wheel bashing one day to clean racing the next.
Back in B/S lobbies, hopefully I can try and stay in this.
So in daily C today ive seen some interesting strategies. A few started out on the mediums and switched to the softs. Started P11 the car behind me at the start pitted on lap 1 and switched to the soft. They managed to catch me on lap 10 and finish 10 seconds ahead me by the end. We finished P6/P7 but bumped up to P4/P5 due to some still racing on Softs all race.
@Mercia was in your daily race c today at 4pm. Had a good little tussle with you and then I watched you get wiped out by a Swiss driver in a GTR going into T1. The Swiss driver was not happy with you overtaking him in the penalty zone.
I was in the Orange RAC Lexus.
Back in B/S lobbies, hopefully I can try and stay in this.
So in daily C today ive seen some interesting strategies. A few started out on the mediums and switched to the softs. Started P11 the car behind me at the start pitted on lap 1 and switched to the soft. They managed to catch me on lap 10 and finish 10 seconds ahead me by the end. We finished P6/P7 but bumped up to P4/P5 due to some still racing on Softs all race.
@Mercia was in your daily race c today at 4pm. Had a good little tussle with you and then I watched you get wiped out by a Swiss driver in a GTR going into T1. The Swiss driver was not happy with you overtaking him in the penalty zone.
I was in the Orange RAC Lexus.
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Nice to have some GT pals in the mix mate, I don't know if I finished that one or quit out but I was not in the mood for it unfortunately.
There were some real trash drivers out on track today and affected both my attempts at Fuji.
Hope you fared better!
[Actually I remember that one yeah we had equal pace, you were stronger in some areas, and I was able to create a small gap in others. Was fun until the wipeout and I remember you passing and thinking god that's lucky haha, it went from bad to worse for me as I got involved in the chasing pack and I lost my temper and quit out. Will try again tonight maybe!]
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Yeah that’s the race. I sent you a dummy on the first lap before T10. Then next lap you past me on the exit on to the straight. Yeah we was equal for about 6/7 laps. I thought I had you a few times but just couldn't get the traction down. Then you got wiped out. Was a good race up till that point.
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I also confirmed today that there is an input bug. I had suspected it, but since it requires that you watch the steering angle indicator rather than where you are actually going, it's been a hard one to see. Basically, in some cases, the cars are not understeering or oversteering because of physics, but because the controller is literally giving too little or too much steering input.
I've tried it with the boss 429 widebody and the bmw 3.0 csl widebody.
I suspect that it's a game wide issue that shows up to different degrees on different cars. Changing to a different car might help you out. Just leave the TC off. It doesn't help the car if it presents the issue I found.
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I just noticed something. When you go to World Circuits, and select Asia (the world's largest continent), it just zooms in on Japan. 
All the GT venues are there, except for Bathurst.
Surely another Asian country deserves representation.
I believe there are top level tracks in Malaysia, Singapore, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, etc....
Enough with the Japanese bias. C'mon PD 😒
All the GT venues are there, except for Bathurst.
Surely another Asian country deserves representation.
I believe there are top level tracks in Malaysia, Singapore, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, etc....
Enough with the Japanese bias. C'mon PD 😒
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I learnt Fuji for the first time today. The people mention being at a disadvantage with a controller in sector 3; maybe because it just really bloody hard and nothing to do with the input method! The last turn is a complete mystery to me and that whole sector just seems so vague and generally impossible (for me) to consistently navigate. I find it quite an unpleasant drive tbh. Definitely one for the second account if I even attempt a race. I’d be destroyed on my main.
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Wanted to cry earlier in Race C, only did 1 qualify lap which had me start 13th. By the end of lap 1 I was up to 3rd (!!) As people either took each other out or spun. Lap 11 I was 3 seconds behind leader and made a move in turn 1 on 2nd place.. Yep, clean move but he didn't like it so turn 2 he didn't brake at all and I ended up spinning from Fuji all the way to Suzuka 😢😤🤪 Finished 8th and cried lol
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Out of curiosity, what’s your Lap Time at Fuji ?
What Car did you use ?
I‘m relatively sure you used the GTR, try the NSX instead.
I think it’s the better Car but that’s just my Personal Preference.
And don’t worry so much about your Lap Times or your Finishing Position though, you can only improve while actually racing.
Time Trial is just a warm up, the real fun just starts on a full Grid 😉😁
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I don't believe there's a wheel advantage in sector 3. I just did the race, and got along just fine with my controller.
I made it from 15th to 6th. 👍
However, I will say that my Lexus was disadvantaged against the Nissans.
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Here's a thought I had today. I wonder if the PP system isn't necessarily meant to handle the idea of every car in the game being pitted against each other? I think what I'd much rather see, is events where there's a clear motif to the cars being used, like how some of the first Daily Races had you use cars from some of the menus, and there were PP limits. Heck, even without being limited to the cars within a menu, there were some Daily Races that specified road cars - versus concepts and race cars - with a PP limit, plus power and weight regulations.
Another idea would be to spice things up for Gr.4, Gr.3, Gr.2, and Gr.1 races, and instead of always having BoP enabled, they could sometimes have BoP off with tuning/settings enabled, but with the catch that there's a PP limit of 700, 800, 850, and 950, respectively. And then there's the idea of using a sub-set of cars within each group, much like how we're currently seeing a Gr.2 Daily Race where only three of the eight total cars in that group are eligible, or how in GTS, there were some rare Daily Races that had drivers only use the Group C cars within Gr.1.
Anyway, I hope PD fixes two more egregious issues with settings: the gearing exploits, and the rake causing inverted effects. From there, I think we could have a ton of fun with Daily Race designs, and that's before PD does more fine-tuning with the BoP charts.
Another idea would be to spice things up for Gr.4, Gr.3, Gr.2, and Gr.1 races, and instead of always having BoP enabled, they could sometimes have BoP off with tuning/settings enabled, but with the catch that there's a PP limit of 700, 800, 850, and 950, respectively. And then there's the idea of using a sub-set of cars within each group, much like how we're currently seeing a Gr.2 Daily Race where only three of the eight total cars in that group are eligible, or how in GTS, there were some rare Daily Races that had drivers only use the Group C cars within Gr.1.
Anyway, I hope PD fixes two more egregious issues with settings: the gearing exploits, and the rake causing inverted effects. From there, I think we could have a ton of fun with Daily Race designs, and that's before PD does more fine-tuning with the BoP charts.
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My best lap was a 1.29.995, I went for an hour trying to get sub 30! I also really want to learn every track so it helps me in that regard to grind them a bit by forcing myself to hit what Id consider an optimal time. My average was just around 31-32 I‘d say, but that’s only the laps I finished as I span out quite a lot 😄. It was in the Nissan, I’ll definitely give the NSX a go tomorrow. Maybe the track will grow on me but that sector 3 just doesn’t fit my style .
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Well, i just had to give it a try and see for myself. the Chevy GR 4 was a bitch in that last sector, especially in the first corner, felt like i had to push the controller to almost beyond it's limit. But now got in the Gr 2 Lexus and it went to the entire section with ease. no issues whatsoever, went smoothly through...
I really do love that track. Never really did Gr 2 races, but might concider doing one now...
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1:29‘9 is a good lap time. I‘m not much faster although I’m consistently in the high 29s.
Of course with a lot of try harding I think I probably could get it to dip just below the '29 Mark but it wouldn’t represent my Natural Pace.
But only in the NSX, as I prefer it’s ability to rotate under Trail Braking because of its MR Layout.
The GTR to me feels more precise, a point and shoot Car, but not very entertaining to drive.
And yes I agree that doing lots of Time Trial gives you a good amount of familiarity after a while.
It’s always good to learn a specific Car/Track Combo in that regard.
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