GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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I found it as fast as the WRX over a lap, but it really loses out up the hill through the tunnels - about 10mph less top speed, which means you have to have a good gap to a WRX behind you if you don't want to be passed there!
So it's a bit low on power then? Makes up for it with cornering ability??
 
Bored of the Daily C and B already ... the kerb ride abuse glitch on Race C is off putting. It's also very difficult to achieve with consistency on a controller if you do decide to try and compete with the top 5 racers in any A/A+ lobby...otherwise accept your bottom half finish :scared:
I’m not sure I agree that kerb abuse amounts to a glitch or “cheating”. In real motor racing pushing track limits and using kerbs is pretty commonplace. It’s very different to wall riding or short cuts IMO.
 
I’m not sure I agree that kerb abuse amounts to a glitch or “cheating”. In real motor racing pushing track limits and using kerbs is pretty commonplace. It’s very different to wall riding or short cuts IMO.
Unsure. Cars are using the curbs as a rail to effectively grip the inside rim of their wheels and pull the car around the corner at high speeds. That would result in many stripped hubs, destroyed wheels and at the very least tyre blowouts.
 
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Unsure cars are using the curbs as a rail to effectively grip the inside rim of their wheels and pull the car around the corner at high speeds. That would result in many stripped hubs, destroyed wheels and at the very least tyre blowouts.
Agreed, but I don’t think that’s the mechanism at Kyoto. The assistance comes from the camber of the concrete beyond the rumble strip, not the edge of the rumble strip. In fact, if you try and use the kerb incorrectly it results is exactly what you would expect, I.e. an unstable car and almost certain doom.
 
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I’m not sure I agree that kerb abuse amounts to a glitch or “cheating”. In real motor racing pushing track limits and using kerbs is pretty commonplace. It’s very different to wall riding or short cuts IMO.
Yea I don't agree. This glitch is basically wall riding on the inside of the track. It's one thing to use every available inch of track you have but this would absolutely wreck your car IRL.
 
Did a couple more Daily Cs yesterday with m'eh results. Started this one P7 and finished P5 some 20+ seconds behind the leader.

I've come to the realization I am just not going to be competitive in these A/A+ lobbies for wins. I wanna go back to B. :lol:

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So it's a bit low on power then? Makes up for it with cornering ability??
About 30 bhp less from memory, but a fair bit lighter. Turns in to corners really well, and grips well - certainly feels more planted than the WRX. Fantastic braking too, probably helped by the lower weight.
 
Only time for one race today but it was notable for how respectful it was. The last lap was a 3 way fight for 2nd with me keep an eye on things in 5th. First time I’ve seen multiple drivers racing smart here this week. Not diving in, taking the quickest line but looking out for opportunities without losing time being too aggressive. I was happy to be in the mix with a bunch of A+ drivers and managed to make a move right at the end. Video of the last lap below. Not glamorous but clean fun racing.
 
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I am definitely struggling for pace in GT7 vs GTS, the whole TC issue and the lack of BB is really screwing with me. I've lost confidence on the gas on TC0 and TC1 is just savage. Without control over BB i cannot dive into corners the way I was, the back end swing around and i get loose. I've only felt really comfortable and competitive with the Z3 at RBR, everywhere else I am qualifying bottom 5. Let's see when bathurst and NGP come around, they are my other strong tracks.
 
I am definitely struggling for pace in GT7 vs GTS, the whole TC issue and the lack of BB is really screwing with me. I've lost confidence on the gas on TC0 and TC1 is just savage. Without control over BB i cannot dive into corners the way I was, the back end swing around and i get loose. I've only felt really comfortable and competitive with the Z3 at RBR, everywhere else I am qualifying bottom 5. Let's see when bathurst and NGP come around, they are my other strong tracks.
Have you done any race B? The gr4s are pretty much on off with the throttle and TC isn’t a concern with the GTR or WRX. They’re not great to drive but I love this track and it’s capable of good racing with the right people.
 
I have done a few Group 4 races, using the AWD cars (WRX and ALFA mainly) and I just don't have the pace. The rear end wants to swing round on hard braking. I think the physics reward mid corner speed more than corner exit vs GTS, I sort of apex high, rotate and power out hard, in GT7 I think you need to take a more traditional line and carry more momentum.

For those on the AMericas servers, I used to be able to run with guys like Revengel, Appollocas and Odiesback but now they are well, well ahead of me.
 
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Finally back on Sport Mode again! (Women problems and PlayStation time are not a friendly combo)

Lucky for me, I love driving the GT86. I had three races this afternoon... Learnt very quickly that improving my quali is essential to avoid first lap chaos (bumps, dives and unfortunate penalties) scuppering the race entirely. By race No.3 I was 2nd on the grid with some clean, respectful racing between the podium places.

Absolute joy even though I was the only A driver in a lobby full of B's. I'm not sure if that means my DR is tumbling, or there just isn't much Race A participation in the afternoons 🤔

I have done a few Group 4 races, using the AWD cars (WRX and ALFA mainly) and I just don't have the pace. The rear end wants to swing round on hard braking. I think the physics reward mid corner speed more than corner exit vs GTS, I sort of apex high, rotate and power out hard, in GT7 I think you need to take a more traditional line and carry more momentum.
I've noticed this too in GT7
 
I withdraw my comments. This is very different to what I was referring to (the use of the kerbs through the esses).
As regards to your original comment, I understood what you was saying. Sometimes you can ride over the inside curb to help turn the car into the corner. I use those exact same curbs at the start of the lap to be able to help the car turn and keep the power on.

As for the glitch in this game this is down right cheating. No way a car in real life would be able to do this. The tyre would ripped of the wheel rim.
 
Yesterday was Time Trial Test Day for me around Kyoto for Daily Race C.
Just for fun of course, which unexpectedly became pretty serious very soon 😅
I tested every available MR Car.
These Cars have so much potential, omg, but in their current state, they are just hopelessly lost.
The issue is the way too sensitive first Braking Input Sensitivity.
As soon as you just breathe on the brakes, they almost immediately lock up or rotate way too early and too much which causes the Car to overbrake on the rear axle. Not in a straight line, only when setting up for corner entry.
It’s just too sensitive.
Other than that the Cars feel abnormal good.
Of course, they are perfectly drivable but the sheer amount of precision and finesse these Cars require to be driven are beyond Average Joes Comprehension.
I‘m a big MR Car Lover and would consider myself a decent Driver, but the Physics especially under initial Braking input are too exaggerated.
PD MUST do something and change some Parameters on these Type of Cars.
If it wasn’t for this Lock up issue, these Cars would absolutely destroy the FR Cars.
The Rotation and especially corner entry to mid corner and corner exit is on another Level compared to FR Cars.
So what is left is that from the way it looks, the MR Cars shouldn’t even be in GR3 Category under its current Physics State.
Completely obsolete imo.

And my biggest Respect to the People out there who are able to get lap times under 2:16.
I tried my best with a few FR Cars, no Chance.
I didn’t try the Beetle though.
Got various FR Cars in the mid 16s Range, MR Cars all low to mid 17s, but the precision and skill required to get under 16s let alone 14s and don’t even think about 13s 😅, these Players are Masters and drive on a Level which is way beyond my Skills.
Kudos to you 💪🏻
 
Yesterday was Time Trial Test Day for me around Kyoto for Daily Race C.
Just for fun of course, which unexpectedly became pretty serious very soon 😅
I tested every available MR Car.
These Cars have so much potential, omg, but in their current state, they are just hopelessly lost.
The issue is the way too sensitive first Braking Input Sensitivity.
As soon as you just breathe on the brakes, they almost immediately lock up or rotate way too early and too much which causes the Car to overbrake on the rear axle. Not in a straight line, only when setting up for corner entry.
It’s just too sensitive.
Other than that the Cars feel abnormal good.
Of course, they are perfectly drivable but the sheer amount of precision and finesse these Cars require to be driven are beyond Average Joes Comprehension.
I‘m a big MR Car Lover and would consider myself a decent Driver, but the Physics especially under initial Braking input are too exaggerated.
PD MUST do something and change some Parameters on these Type of Cars.
If it wasn’t for this Lock up issue, these Cars would absolutely destroy the FR Cars.
The Rotation and especially corner entry to mid corner and corner exit is on another Level compared to FR Cars.
So what is left is that from the way it looks, the MR Cars shouldn’t even be in GR3 Category under its current Physics State.
Completely obsolete imo.

And my biggest Respect to the People out there who are able to get lap times under 2:16.
I tried my best with a few FR Cars, no Chance.
I didn’t try the Beetle though.
Got various FR Cars in the mid 16s Range, MR Cars all low to mid 17s, but the precision and skill required to get under 16s let alone 14s and don’t even think about 13s 😅, these Players are Masters and drive on a Level which is way beyond my Skills.
Kudos to you 💪🏻
Absolutely well said. Would love to use the MR cars more, but they’re not even close to competitive in the current state. Shame.

Good work on the times!
 
Did one race before work and succumbed to the pier pressure and went with the Beetle. Lol Managed to pull away and get the win from pole.

The Beetle definitely seems to be stronger over the whole race. The Genesis feels like it drops off a cliff with 2-3 laps to go. I'm still new to GT7 so that could be in my head, not sure if that's even a thing in this game but I just happened to notice my pace didn't seem to fall off in the Beetle.

I decided to do some time trial with a few other cars after that just looking for that diamond in the rough but didn't have much success.
 
Did one race before work and succumbed to the pier pressure and went with the Beetle. Lol Managed to pull away and get the win from pole.

The Beetle definitely seems to be stronger over the whole race. The Genesis feels like it drops off a cliff with 2-3 laps to go. I'm still new to GT7 so that could be in my head, not sure if that's even a thing in this game but I just happened to notice my pace didn't seem to fall off in the Beetle.

I decided to do some time trial with a few other cars after that just looking for that diamond in the rough but didn't have much success.
DBR9 and the GT500 Supra have been my best friends for race C outside of the Beetle - the DBR9 is great around there.

I tried the F-Type, but I found it struggled a lot more in the race - it had amazing quali pace but I couldn't get it hooked around the S curves after turn 1 when it had a heavier fuel load in it, too much understeer.
 
Absolutely well said. Would love to use the MR cars more, but they’re not even close to competitive in the current state. Shame.

Good work on the times!
The real shame though is the undeniable fact that the GR3 MR Cars with BoP disabled are the complete opposite.
It’s the BoP which somehow COMPLETELY ruins the MR Handling Characteristics.
Ok, to be precise at least the braking and rotation.
Try ANY MR Car around ANY Track and you won’t believe you’re driving the same Car with BoP on/off.
It’s crazy und absurd that PD didn’t notice how bad their BoP effects this type of Engine Layout.
MR Cars are designed to be driven very different to FR Cars and PD absolutely nailed that Behavior when BoP is not applied. It’s a dream how good and well balanced these Cars correspond to your inputs…it’s perfect.
 
I am definitely struggling for pace in GT7 vs GTS, the whole TC issue and the lack of BB is really screwing with me. I've lost confidence on the gas on TC0 and TC1 is just savage. Without control over BB i cannot dive into corners the way I was, the back end swing around and i get loose. I've only felt really comfortable and competitive with the Z3 at RBR, everywhere else I am qualifying bottom 5. Let's see when bathurst and NGP come around, they are my other strong tracks.
Like you, I use the X button for throttle. TCS 0 is not useable for most cars, and TCS 1 is far more restricting than in GT Sport.
The best thing I've come up with so far, is when using TCS 1, to use manual transmission and exit turns in a higher gear, so there's less chance of wheel slippage, and less chance of the TCS slowing you down.
 
If you watch their replays you'll see them rail the kerbs like a train track. If you look closely at the kerb you'll see a ridge between the grass and the kerb and it literally allows you to hold the sweepers flat if you get it right. Hopefully it gets fixed at some point.

Hopped on for a couple races this morning and right away something was off. Couldn't get back to the 17's on Kyoto. Ended up winning the race but I was like dang something is off with the Genesis, it's not the same car I drove last night. Well my dumb ass chose the Genesis X Gr3 car instead of the regular Gr. 3 Genesis. Lol It worked though I guess.
Don't worry first race I did on Monday I tried the WRX and a total bust came in last and dropped a DR to boot
 
Like you, I use the X button for throttle. TCS 0 is not useable for most cars, and TCS 1 is far more restricting than in GT Sport.
The best thing I've come up with so far, is when using TCS 1, to use manual transmission and exit turns in a higher gear, so there's less chance of wheel slippage, and less chance of the TCS slowing you down.
Just curious, how are you guys able to control/feather the throttle input using the buttons? In my mind I picture using the buttons as 100% throttle, or 0%.
 
DBR9 and the GT500 Supra have been my best friends for race C outside of the Beetle - the DBR9 is great around there.

I tried the F-Type, but I found it struggled a lot more in the race - it had amazing quali pace but I couldn't get it hooked around the S curves after turn 1 when it had a heavier fuel load in it, too much understeer.
I was watching PX7 Aura's stream on my lunch break. He happened to be using different cars and the one race I caught he was using the Gt-500 Supra. He was doing low 17's high 16's in Race without the curb exploit.

It was nice to see him making a point not to use the exploit and using different cars.
 
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