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[JLawrence]

That's the problem though. Someone would have to be available all the time to set up those rooms.

That's my thought. Unless we set up a certain time a week when these were available?

 

[CAM]

Like I said, this idea is a bit more work, and mine is less work, but I think they both are equally efficient. It depends, since they both measure consistency (mine and R1600's through racing finishes, gatrs' through visual watch from a steward), it just seems like a better idea at first to start off with a simpler system requiring less manpower, then maybe going up to a more complex system. I just would like to see this get off the ground without a hitch.

EDIT: Sorry, my internet messed up and this posted late. I say not to get too torn up, as long as you can find adequate steward candidates. It's your decision gatrs . I'm just here to judge .

 

[Akmuq]

Just had a look at the FIA licensing system and I honestly can't make heads or tails of it regarding how to get a license apart from the superlicence.

 

[gogatrs]

Like I said, this idea is a bit more work, and mine is less work, but I think they both are equally efficient. It depends, since they both measure consistency (mine and R1600's through racing finishes, gatrs' through visual watch from a steward), it just seems like a better idea at first to start off with a simpler system requiring less manpower, then maybe going up to a more complex system. I just would like to see this get off the ground without a hitch.

EDIT: Sorry, my internet messed up and this posted late. I say not to get too torn up, as long as you can find adequate steward candidates. It's your decision gatrs . I'm just here to judge .

While I get what you mean by starting out simple, that's just not possible to use the past experience, without anyone officially have experience.

 

[CAM]

And that is a valid point. But it could be a smart idea as we went along, as maybe a secondary reference.

 

[gogatrs]

And that is a valid point. But it could be a smart idea as we went along, as maybe a secondary reference.

So we eventually add in the Class A/B system.
Fair compromise?

 

[CAM]

Can you explain that again? Your saying to be a class A driver you must have won X number of races/championships?

 

[JLawrence]

On a semi side note gatrs, do you think you could maybe add what we make official into the OP as we go along? I figure it'll make it easier to refer to and make sure we're all on the same page.

 

[gogatrs]

Can you explain that again? Your saying to be a class A driver you must have won X number of races/championships?

To be Class B, you have to pass the regular time trial and 1v1 tests.
To be Class A, you have to have passed those tests+have a certain number of race wins/finishes/championship wins.

 

[gogatrs]

On a semi side note gatrs, do you think you could maybe add what we make official into the OP as we go along? I figure it'll make it easier to refer to and make sure we're all on the same page.

I'll do that later tonight along with the list.

 

[gogatrs]

I'll do that later tonight along with the list.

Sorry for double post.
Oops hit, quote not edit. :/
Mods, feel free to remove these.

 

[CAM]

I like that idea. This is actually working out really well.

EDIT: Gatrs! Epic triple post .

 

[CodeRedR51]

Not neccasarily.
We could require people to schedule these.
Or have a set time each evening that we allow "walk-ins."

Okie doke. Do what you want, this is all too much for me to take in anyway.

I just run a series...

 

[CAM]

Okie doke. Do what you want, this is all too much for me to take in anyway.

I just run a series...

Haha agreed bro, we're just here to help. 👍

 

[IforceV8]

It's easy guys. Since it seems like a lot of you don't get the idea of how we'd run the time trial.

As someone else assumed, yes an official sets up an online room, sets it to 5 laps with all the required settings and observes their run. People would only be able to try it once a day.

To solve the issue with drivers that are already known to be fast; we'd only subject them to the time trial since the race etiquette challenge is really just for people we DON'T know, same with the quiz. It's about weeding people out.

Also, there's no need for the race etiquette demo/challenge to be a race. It can easily be done in free run over two laps. We'll just have the official do a slow simple lead and follow effort where they through out a pre-determined set of racing scenarios and observe how the applicant handles them. So that would be something like - high speed draft overtake, high speed draft braking awareness (where the official has the applicant follow super closely, goes up to a slow corner super fast to test the applicant's skill at braking under higher speeds), lapping slower traffic, getting lapped by faster traffic, rolling start etc.



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The idea of "weeding out" new drivers sounds too much like a Country Club to me.If the "us" crowd gets a free pass and the "them" crowd has to jump thru the hoops in order to race then you have a problem.I like your idea of having a more professional feel to the OLR but if you want to have a race craft test then everyone involved has to take it.

The final exam will have to be a real race.You wont be able to honestly judge the racer unless they are really racing.


Back in late 2002 i was the race steward for the GT3 Board Challenge 2.I ended up being the judge,jury,and executioner for all the NTSC replays and let me warn you guys now that its a tough spot to be in.I had people pissed at me in 4 languages so you better make sure that you really want to be "that guy".

I would recommend that you have atleast 3 people that are not directly involved in a series handling the incident reviews.I would also try to get the replays from all the parties involved in any incidents because from what i have seen from the race replays i have watched that i was in the only car on the track that looks smooth was mine.I dont know if this was a connection issue or what but i saw the same thing in the Elise youtube video from Lemans.The car movements and steering inputs looked very "digital" to me.

I would also recommend that you keep all the reviews and politics back channel.Your going to need a sub forum with limited access so race threads dont turn into a pissing contest.The replays should be available for all to see but the discussion's should be limited to the drivers directly involved and the stewards.If possible i would setup a online lobby so that all the people involved can have a real conversation with voice chat.

 

[CAM]

He's just saying drivers that have already proven themselves have no need to do so again, but I see where you're coming from. And thanks for the input, its good to have someone with prior experience help out 👍.

 

[CodeRedR51]

It's about weeding people out.

I just saw this. I don't like the idea of "weeding people out". I think there should be a place for everyone. Isn't that what the licensing system is for?

 

[CAM]

I just saw this. I don't like the idea of "weeding people out". I think there should be a place for everyone. Isn't that what the licensing system is for?

What I hope he meant was finding people who just wanted to ram. I hope. I think we should make it simple enough that it isn't a nuisance to experienced drivers so they still do it.

 

[JLawrence]

As far as I'm concerned, the only people that need to be "weeded out" are the ones that insist on being overly physical in their driving style. Of course, I would give them a three strikes your out sort of policy, but yeah. I wouldn't even considering asking a person to leave because they are inexperienced, and make inexperienced mistakes. It happens.

Now what may be a good idea is asking those who are participating in their first series to run an orange car which would serve the purpose of a rookie stripe like we use in the real world series I run. Just a thought.

 

[Wardez]

As far as I'm concerned, the only people that need to be "weeded out" are the ones that insist on being overly physical in their driving style. Of course, I would give them a three strikes your out sort of policy, but yeah. I wouldn't even considering asking a person to leave because they are inexperienced, and make inexperienced mistakes. It happens.

Now what may be a good idea is asking those who are participating in their first series to run an orange car which would serve the purpose of a rookie stripe like we use in the real world series I run. Just a thought.

Yes that's what meant by weeding out. The three strike system would work well.

FREAKING LOVE The orange car idea. *claps*

 

[CAM]

Now what may be a good idea is asking those who are participating in their first series to run an orange car which would serve the purpose of a rookie stripe like we use in the real world series I run. Just a thought.

That's a fantastic idea, in my opinion. It just sounds like two extra fields in the spreadsheet: Number of strikes (or infractions, my responsibility ) and a Yes/No checkbox field for being a rookie or no.

 

[JLawrence]

Seemed like a logical way of going about it.

Now with the infractions, would we enforce penalties? Or maybe set it so they impact the license?

 

[CAM]

Seemed like a logical way of going about it.

Now with the infractions, would we enforce penalties? Or maybe set it so they impact the license?

Penalties sound like the more logical way to go, you wouldn't have to readminister license tests and it would directly impact standings in a series, so that sounds like the more thorough system.

 

[JLawrence]

So maybe depending on the infraction it could be anything from not being allowed to qualify to missing a race or two?

 

[CAM]

So maybe depending on the infraction it could be anything from not being allowed to qualify to missing a race or two?

Sounds fine. It could even be some type of performance penalty if need be.

 

[Wardez]

so we're almost there guys. I'm gonna draft up a couple spreadsheets tonight when I'm back from work. (I'm at work now and read a bunch of what you guys had to say but I can't reply to them right now. Expect a lengthy response from me in an hour or so when I'm on break)

but I encourage anyone else who's willing to try and come up
with sheets and stuff to do so soon so we can all collaborate! Which is always the best way to go with these sorts of things.

 

[CAM]

I think there will only need to be one spreadsheet (database would work better if you have Microsoft Access), just a bunch of different fields needed for driver stats 👍. So far, I think we would need:

Name (obviously)
License (which one, if any)
Wins (number)
Infractions (number)
Impending penalties (number and type)

Did I miss anything?

 

[Downhill Dino]

I'm still thinking about the orange car idea. I love it.

Currently I seem to be unable to take in what you guys are saying. I need sleep. So once I'm actually awake I'll really get into participating in the ideas and such.

 

[JLawrence]

How would we enforce a performance penalty?

 

[CAM]

I thought that over after I said it, and would like to retract that statement . Unless, however, you could make them use a less grippy tire compound or take off an aid, but I think race suspensions would be easier.