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[Peter.]

I don't think that this whole stewarding thing will be so hard. I mean, we get messaged a replay of the incidents, then we make a final decision, using the OLR rules, and our own racing experiences to judge it, then we decide, from whatever penalties the Series which that incident took place in has, what penalty the person receives. There, done. There won't be too many replays to watch, as I doubt there are that many issues that will need us to decide on.

 

[gogatrs]

I thought that over after I said it, and would like to retract that statement . Unless, however, you could make them use a less grippy tire compound or take off an aid, but I think race suspensions would be easier.

A race suspension is relatively drastic to start off with.
We're not there yet.
I think that's number seven on the list.
I'm gonna update the OP in fifteen minutes or so.

 

[CAM]

What we were talking about earlier about "stewarding" was giving out licenses, not handing out penalties. I'm pretty sure the name we assigned the penalty people was judges. I suppose I am "complaint hearer a stage before the judges" .

EDIT: Yeah, it is harsh, I'm working on ideas as we speak. So far, I have doing a pass through penalty and using an inferior tire compound. Although we will have to leave the suspension option open for extreme incidents.

 

[gogatrs]

How many license levels do we want?
Three or five? Remember, it'll be that plus the A Class.
I think that three would be sufficient.

 

[CAM]

How many license levels do we want?
Three or five? Remember, it'll be that plus the A Class.
I think that three would be sufficient.

Agreed. Just make them Beginner, Amateur, and Professional. 👍

 

[JLawrence]

Three may be fine. Plus A

 

[CAM]

Three may be fine. Plus A

As said before, we should start small and expand if needed.

 

[Wardez]

Not neccasarily.
We could require people to schedule these.
Or have a set time each evening that we allow "walk-ins."

No scheduling is neeeded, see my reply to JL.

That's my thought. Unless we set up a certain time a week when these were available?

Not necessary, check my next response.

Like I said, this idea is a bit more work, and mine is less work, but I think they both are equally efficient. It depends, since they both measure consistency (mine and R1600's through racing finishes, gatrs' through visual watch from a steward), it just seems like a better idea at first to start off with a simpler system requiring less manpower, then maybe going up to a more complex system. I just would like to see this get off the ground without a hitch.
EDIT: Sorry, my internet messed up and this posted late. I say not to get too torn up, as long as you can find adequate steward candidates. It's your decision gatrs . I'm just here to judge .

Yeah it's not hard. As most of you should know a lot of series on the GTP GT5 Online forum have been running sole qualifier type qualfying for their races. Where they send out guys one at a time to do a set number of laps and their best is taken. All the time are collected and tabulated on a sheet then race on a separate day. We've been doing this very type of qualifying in WSGTC and FMSC Mule's RM series to great affect.
Especially in WSGTC where we have a few stewarts that are around during qualfying week where anyone that wants to qualify can simply PM or message one of them to set up a session. These sessions happen day and night 24/7 whenever someone needs to qualify.

Replace the word qualify with "test for a license" and you've finally got what I'm saying

So it's like, (new applicant posting in the thread) "Hey I was wondering if anyone's online so I can test for a B license tonight? I need to do it soon, add me on PSN or PM, thanks."
(steward response) "Hey looks like I'm the only one up so I'll set up a room for you in a few minutes, I'll add you"

To be Class B, you have to pass the regular time trial and 1v1 tests.
To be Class A, you have to have passed those tests+have a certain number of race wins/finishes/championship wins.

Class B and A what?

To be
Name (obviously)
License (which one, if any)
Wins (number)
Infractions (number)
Impending penalties (number and type)
Did I miss anything?

GTP name
PSN name
License/level
Wins
Podiums?
Penalties awarded (just the number)

I don't know about using a fixed number of infractions because 1 number would represent a ramming incident just as much as something menial.

That brings up the question of where we should store information on incidents and penalties and where that info. should be stored.

There should be a really simple database like I just recommended THEN a separate database that collects all penalties and has their descriptions along with relavant dates, series informations etc.

Also yes, this would all be handled on Google Spreadsheets so that all administrators and stewards of the series can be added to the sheets as collaborators/authors.

 

[CAM]

Gatrs already decided on a license system (3 levels with an extra level based on wins), that argument is over bro . And yeah, when we get there on the checklist we should probably have two or three different levels of infractions, with a field for each. And podium finishes could work. And you should probably have past penalty and impending penalty fields. And why did you quote my field list as CH, just out of curiosity?

 

[gogatrs]

OK, check out the OP.
Are we ready to move on to the next item on the list?

 

[gogatrs]

Gatrs already decided on a license system (3 levels with an extra level based on wins), that argument is over bro . And yeah, when we get there on the checklist we should probably have two or three different levels of infractions, with a field for each. And podium finishes could work. And you should probably have past penalty and impending penalty fields. And why did you quote my field list as CH, just out of curiosity?

What if the judges decided on a number of "Infraction Points" to "award" a driver. Similar to the infraction points we have for GTPlanet.

 

[CAM]

OK, check out the OP.
Are we ready to move on to the next item on the list?

Very nice, I'm loving it. It's been decided that I'm that one person mentioned in #1, right? And if so, have we decided on the three in depth review judges?

Yeah, like if you go off and take a person with you, that's one, if you completely turn a person around in a corner (accidentally), that's two, and if you cause a larger wreck, that's three? Although that would be up to my discretion according to the situation.

 

[gogatrs]

Very nice, I'm loving it. It's been decided that I'm that one person mentioned in #1, right? And if so, have we decided on the three in depth review judges?

Yeah, like if you go off and take a person with you, that's one, if you completely turn a person around in a corner (accidentally), that's two, and if you cause a larger wreck, that's three? Although that would be up to my discretion according to the situation.

We'd have to come up with some situations.
We're not at penalties yet though, so let's not skip ahead.

And yes, you've got your position secure.

For the Race Schools.
I think this should be an optional service we provide.
It could teach people different racing techniques, and help people to improve there lap times/develop a better racing line.

Now that I think about it, we could also provide workshops/seminars where we could teach people tuning techniques, drifting, etc.

Of course, they would all be taught by the best.

Maybe we could charge people for it, say ten racing gear items.

 

[JLawrence]

GTP name
PSN name
License/level
Wins
Podiums

👍


Penalties awarded (just the number)'

For this I think it should be Penalty Points. Like 1 Pt for a very minor incident, 2 not so minor, 3 for a serious wreck, but allowing the victimized driver to negate a minor penalty.


And I like the proposed license system.

 

[CAM]

Okay, we should probably keep a running list of peoples' positions in the OP. And who do you think should be administrators over the body, along with you? You'd probably need one or two assistants. And I'm working on racing school ideas 👍.

EDIT: JL, your going to need an upcoming penalty field, for reference. No ones going to do it if we don't administer it. Gatrs, should we have stewards inside the race rooms keeping peace?

 

[gogatrs]

For the Race Schools.
I think this should be an optional service we provide.
It could teach people different racing techniques, and help people to improve there lap times/develop a better racing line.

Now that I think about it, we could also provide workshops/seminars where we could teach people tuning techniques, drifting, etc.

Of course, they would all be taught by the best.

Maybe we could charge people for it, say ten racing gear items.

Taken from my edit.

 

[Wardez]

So what


Ok, so the philosophy behind this is that we simply want to come up with an alternative skill labeling system for both series and players so that they can more simply find each other based on skill levels. This is done through adding identifying markers to series thread titles, people's forum signatures and GT5 online greeting messages.

We will, as a bonus, also give people the option of using our judges to come in and decide fault in incidents that are way too hard to decide on themselves. As well as fully support any and all race series organizers that want our help in starting up their series.


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And that OP's looking great. It sounds perfect Gogatrs Looks like there's actually 6 licenses Cam. And I put CH by accident btw since I was posting from my phone.

 

[JLawrence]

We should also refer drivers to YouTube, as there are some brilliant videos there that were even used for my SCCA driver's school. I will post links when I find them

 

[CAM]

All of this sounds good. And I guess we have #3 done now. And the judges won't always be able to enter a room, but we can be reached by a steward in the room (if we go that route) for a second opinion.

 

[Wardez]

Penalties awarded (just the number)'

For this I think it should be Penalty Points. Like 1 Pt for a very minor incident, 2 not so minor, 3 for a serious wreck, but allowing the victimized driver to negate a minor penalty.


And I like the proposed license system.

Hmm, well it's just that it becomes so hard to figure out what penalties fit into what ratings of severity. It could work though. Maybe it would be best categorizing them like level 1, level 2, level 3 being disqualifications. We'd have to all sit down and thouroughly flesh what belongs in what level but I guess I could try to start it off.

Level 1 - losing control of your car spinning into someone else, unintentional ramming, exiting pits incorrectly going into a pack, accidentally cutting a corner; pretty much just the unintentional bad accidents.
Level 2 - overly aggressive driving, punting, pitting out of the pit window, cutting a corner to pass someone and not giving your position back,
Level 3 Disqualification - driving in reverse, constantly going wide to gain time, ramming, using an illegal car: intentional stuff pretty much,

1 for L1 2 for L2 and 3 for guess what?!
L E V E L 3

I N S P E C T I O N

 

[CodeRedR51]

I still think this licenses thing is thought out too much. I read the paragraph and got confused, imagine everyone else...

 

[CAM]

Sounds fine, I think to make it easier for myself (remember I'm listening to peoples' explanations) we should just use adjectives to describe them.

1 point: unintentional/racing incident.

2 points: aggressiveness

3 points: intentional/outrageous, etc.

It sounds simple enough to me. But we aren't at the penalty system step of the process yet .

EDIT: @R1600, I think it will be easier once we get the lap time targets set up and what not.

 

[gogatrs]

When the time comes to go over that, I've got some ideas...

Now for number four, this was Wardez's idea.
Care to explain it?
I know you did, but how would it work?

 

[gogatrs]

I still think this licenses thing is thought out too much. I read the paragraph and got confused, imagine everyone else...

This is still the gauging interest thread.
When the time comes, I'll update that so that it's slightly less confusing.
I think a chart would make it much easier to understand...

 

[CAM]

Why don't we just use some of the full lap Super License time trials from GT4 as starting points for figuring out time targets for license tests? Like bronze time, you get the first license, silver, the second, gold, the third. Sounds simple enough.

 

[JLawrence]

What is a rar?

 

[gogatrs]

Why don't we just use some of the full lap Super License time trials from GT4 as starting points for figuring out time targets for license tests?

I was actually thinking something along the lines of this:
Volkswagen Golf GTI at Monza
Lexus LFA at La Sarthe?
Shelby Cobra at Monaco

Just my thoughts.
Someone can lay out a base time for each.
And then the 1v1 challenges would be on the same track/car.

What is a rar?

Beats me. It's a file extension, I know that much.
And doesn't it compress files similar to a .zip?

 

[CAM]

Volkswagen Golf GTI at Monza
Lexus LFA at La Sarthe?
Shelby Cobra at Monaco

Someone can lay out a base time for each.

I'll do it, I need to do some driving. Although my time probably should be the bronze time, maybe silver on a good day. And Shelby Cobra? I don't envy the guy who has to tame that thing to get his license .

 

[Wardez]

Going back into work Gogatrs. I'l get back to you all in a couple hours.

 

[gogatrs]

[*]Racing series start up kit distrubution -
A racing series start up kit will be a .rar file that includes every thing a potential race organizer needs in order to start his series easily and quickly be able to start it off with a solid standard base to grow from.

The kit would include things like graphics, templates, spreadsheet tutorials, tips tricks and hacks, track guides that detail what tracks are good and are not good for racing in certain cars, rule guides detailing exactly what each setting in GT5 gives you, connection guides for a consistence online experience, car selection guide letting you know the ins-and-outs of choosing good cars for your series, description of every successful race format and the history of race format use in GTP (like the invention of sole qualifers "4 lap live qualifying sessions" rolling starts in GT5, how best to run multi-class races etc).

Not only would it be advantageous for race organizers to read but would be an excellent source of information to anyone looking to start racing in GT5 online or those people who have been racing for a while but simply want to find out a little more.

...

Going back into work Gogatrs. I'l get back to you all in a couple hours.

I'll respond to whatever is posted tomorrow afternoon when I wake up.

And you work the single strangest hours I have EVER heard of lol.