If GT5 does incorporate a livery editor...

[Devedander]

Ah well, we will have to make do with the features that ARE in the game then. The track creator looks like it's going to feed my urge and let my creative side flourish.

We will have to do just that... not that the fact that we have to somehow means the missing things aren't negative issues anymore.

As for the track editor, it definitely sounds interesting and could very well be a standout feature on it's own. I don't remember playing with a console track editor since Vrally on the Dreamcast (obviously I didn't play modnation racers).

Well he certainly didnt stop us believing all this time that they were going to do it!

I was wondering over in the amar/winds thread... if amar could know and get right so much stuff so long ago, it seems like PD and KY have been playing us for fools with all their ambiguity and lack of confirmations...

Are you for real? A tonne of confirmations have been made today, maybe more new ones tomorrow, and you are still unhappy that a slide showing Kaz's personal 'vision' for GT back in 2005...or whenever...includes a note regarding a livery editor but it's not in GT5?

It was never confirmed as a GT5 feature and it has never been, up to now, referred to since then. Maybe that's a clue, no?

I just don't get this at all. Has it been a game-breaker?

Lots of stuff was never confirmed as a GT5 feature until it was... what's your point? It's pretty bad when you should expect features the main competition has been doing for years will be left out even if the only info you get on it from PD suggests they are working to put it in.

 

[Devedander]

Dupe.

 

[MadduckUK]

last time i edited a track was with a box of Scalextric

i will give it a bash - but really i will be keeping fingers crossed for sharing created tracks

 

[shadynader]

Nay

I seen this pic on GAF earlier and i instantly thought of you

 

[MadduckUK]

I seen this pic on GAF earlier and i instantly thought of you

YOUR RIGHT, THIS IS ALL SONY'S FAULT!!!!!!!

 

[Devedander]

I seen this pic on GAF earlier and i instantly thought of you

LOL That is hilarious!

But to be accurate strecth those panels out over 5 years and make the guy at the computer say "working on that" for a lot of features and then at the end have him say "yeah not enough time, maybe next version".

To be fair, this is really more me:

 

[Tornado]

I seen this pic on GAF earlier and i instantly thought of you

Unfunny troll is unfunny.


I do think it would be funny if the track editor ended up being some barebones nonsense that no one ever used (which was what most people actually thought it was going to be when it was rumoured, mind), but oh well.

 

[Vincent Viceroy]

Lots of stuff was never confirmed as a GT5 feature until it was... what's your point? It's pretty bad when you should expect features the main competition has been doing for years will be left out even if the only info you get on it from PD suggests they are working to put it in.

You're completely missing the point...that's the problem.

That slide represents what Kaz would like GT to be...it is in no way a slide to say 'all this will be in GT5' or 'we are working on all this right now'. You've made an assumption and come out worse for it.

To some people, like yourself, a livery editor would have been a really nice bonus but, as far as I can see, it had never been promised or expected in GT5 considering that's a 'vision' of GT's future.

Finally I'd like to point out that console competitors, including the competitor you're probably referring to, may have had a livery editor but they stopped right there. They didn't include day/night cycles or even just night races (something GT4 already does), they didn't include dynamic weather, or, in some cases, any weather at all (GT4 has wet races), they didn't include a track creator at all and, in some cases, stop at 8 cars on track.

See how all things balance out sometimes and why no livery editor is a shame but not tragic?

 

[Shinu]

I will use it for rally races. Each time you race there is some curves that may surprise you (I think its cool)

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Not a game breaker by any means, but it would have propelled the game to awesome heights. Like, heaven heights

 

[Tornado]

You're completely missing the point...that's the problem.

That slide represents what Kaz would like GT to be...it is in no way a slide to say 'all this will be in GT5' or 'we are working on all this right now'. You've made an assumption and come out worse for it.

And any competent PR person would have squashed those assumptions before they got out of hand, though in that respect PD has been consistently terrible rather than just over this single issue (they did the same thing with the Standard cars, and they may be doing the same thing with the Day/Night transitions and weather). Its hard not to make an assumption when all of the PR by the company has lead you to believe your assumption is correct.

 

[shadynader]

I do think it would be funny if the track editor ended up being some barebones nonsense that no one ever used (which was what most people actually thought it was going to be when it was rumoured, mind), but oh well.

You know, studies show that schadenfreude is correlated with envy. Which begs the question. Who are you envious of? The people who don't agree with your opinions? PD/Sony? My next question would be why?

 

[Devedander]

Just for fun:

 

[Tornado]

You know, studies show that schadenfreude is correlated with envy. Which begs the question. Who are you envious of? The people who don't agree with your opinions? PD/Sony? My next question would be why?

I suppose I'm envious of those who are so blind that every time a feature that we assumed to be in the game because of PD's incompetent PR is proven to be excised that their catch all response is always "Well, look at all of the other completely unrelated features that PD is giving us instead."

On this topic, studies show that acting like a fanboy troll is also correlated with envy. Which begs the question. Who are you envious of? The people who don't agree with your opinions? PD/Sony? My next question would be why?

 

[sparkedglory]

I seen this pic on GAF earlier and i instantly thought of you

Ahahaha! I love this!

 

[shadynader]

I suppose I'm envious of those who are so blind that every time a feature that we assumed to be in the game because of PD's incompetent PR is proven to be excised that their catch all response is always "Well, look at all of the other completely unrelated features that PD is giving us instead."

On this topic, studies show that acting like a fanboy troll is also correlated with envy. Which begs the question. Who are you envious of? The people who don't agree with your opinions? PD/Sony? My next question would be why?

I envy Famine as he gets to play now. I pity you. Oh and by the way i own or have played almost every racing sim / car game / arcade racer there has been i am no fanboy. I just give credit where it is due 👍

 

[digitalwolf]

so its 'something they'll have to work on' XD

all this speculation and its not implemented yet XD

Man people ought'a chill out. Well they have a track editor, i doubt they'll leave it out still, perhaps in the future then...

 

[Akira AC]

Just for fun:

Lammmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeee

but in all seriousness this is not bashing,is the truth because so far we don't know all features of the game.

but we are sure that its becoming a revolution in racing games,I mean

GT5 does what almost what every racing game does:

-F1 (F1 official games of course)
-Rally(colling mc Rae,dirt)
-Nascar (several toca racing games)
-24 hours racing (like test drive le mans)
-track editor(like v rally 2)
-well its GT so GT series(like FIA GT2)

the only thing that it don't incorporates(so far)its weather change,and livery editor,but to this date you have to be a real idiot to don't buy it (if you like car racing games of course).

I used to think that TOCA 3 was the top generalization of a racing game,but now is GT5 in almost every single aspect.

and of course the thing don't ends there because with the livery editor you can make any rally course you want,maybe not with amazing background but with really good layout and challenges.

and yeah some people will not like it,that is normal,but it seems that people who don't like it is running out of reasons to bash it.

Toronado

I suppose I'm envious of those who are so blind that every time a feature that we assumed to be in the game because of PD's incompetent PR is proven to be excised that their catch all response is always "Well, look at all of the other completely unrelated features that PD is giving us instead."

On this topic, studies show that acting like a fanboy troll is also correlated with envy. Which begs the question. Who are you envious of? The people who don't agree with your opinions? PD/Sony? My next question would be why?

Ironic isn't it,like other bashing before,the line of bashing will continue until the end of the times,on in this case in November 2

 

[danielwhite74]

If you take a look at the news page, you'll see that both three-dimensional trees and skid marks are, in fact, being implemented.

 

[Tornado]

I envy Famine as he gets to play now. I pity you.

Go right ahead. 👍

Oh and by the way i own or have played almost every racing sim / car game / arcade racer there has been i am no fanboy. I just give credit where it is due 👍

Your "credentials" don't make your transparent point of existence in this thread any less transparent.

and of course the thing don't ends there because with the livery editor you can make any rally course you want,maybe not with amazing background but with really good layout and challenges

I have to ask this again: When did this become true? All we know at this point is that there will be one. None of the ideas that were tossed around regarding how extensive it would be back when the feature was only rumoured became untrue just because it isn't rumoured anymore.

 

[Akira AC]

I have to ask this again: When did this become true? All we know at this point is that there will be one. None of the ideas that were tossed around regarding how extensive it would be back when the feature was only rumoured became untrue just because it isn't rumoured anymore.

news section,

 

[Tenacious D]

Where have I seen this logic before? Oh yes ALL over the place around here... it's the cry of the fanboy... if it isn't written in stone, signed with KY's own blood and notarized twice, it basically never happened.

And like I said before, are we in third grade where "but I never PROMISED" still flies?

I would be curious to see a list of all games in which the head of the dev house said "We promise this and that" at some point in development.

Actually, I see this same thing from you periodically concerning a certain game starting with Forza.

For instance, there was a video interview Major Nelson did with one of the Turn 10 team in November of 2006, who promised that everything from Forza 1 was going to be included. All the tracks, all the Livery goodies and more, and with 12 car races off- and online.

And then, as the months wore on and people pushed T10 for pre-launch goodies, they became strangely silent on a number of features. Then when it launched, a huge number of fans were angry that F2 couldn't manage 12 cars on a far more powerful system, had an even smaller range of tracks than F1, and Fuji Kaido was pulled completely. The Forza community was full of irate drift and touge fans. I could see yanking the Need For Speed city tracks, but though I don't drift, the Kaido courses were a lot of fun to race point to point.

Just a reminder.

Concerning the Livery Editor, I think many people are forgetting how much Kazunori downplayed and discouraged hope that it would be in GT5 in a number of interviews. That and body kits, he said, were something he wanted to explore, but he wanted to realize their inclusion properly. The same for damage and weather. Many more people were bummed that he didn't sound positive about those two items, and yet we got them. Since it's so late in the game, there is a better chance that we won't get any livery tools than we will. I'm not quite gutted over this, though I am disappointed. Still, this is such a huge, epic game that I'm overjoyed to be getting what I am, and I think this is the right attitude to have for any game from a developer we're fans of. Ask for more goodies next time, but be thankful for all their hard work.

I think one of the things Kaz wants to improve is getting away from the whole approach of having sides to a car. When you treat a surface as a side, when you apply vinyls and other items, many curved surfaces distort and stretch the shape of the item quite a bit. I think this is something Kaz wants to do better, treat the car as one continuous surface. Just a guess.

The insane amount of features in GT5 has to make Forza 4 a much better game, and all the community and online friendly features of Forza...... well, one or two anyway, should make GT6 the perfect Gran Turismo.

 

[Devedander]

That slide represents what Kaz would like GT to be...it is in no way a slide to say 'all this will be in GT5' or 'we are working on all this right now'. You've made an assumption and come out worse for it.

I see your point. I think that the other side of the coin is that the slide shows that Kaz wanted it and realized it was a valuable asset and now it's gone... so just like many of us KY and PD both knew GT5 would benefit from a livery editor, and just like all of us, they must know that not having it is a huge chunk of life that GT5 won't have.

 

[Tornado]

news section,

I've read that. My point stands. All we know is that it isn't completely comprehensive and it uses a slider system instead. That means it could be as basic as the track editor in Lotus R.E.C.S., as extensive as the track editor in V-Rally 2, somewhere in between the two or more powerful then both of them.

 

[Vincent Viceroy]

And any competent PR person would have squashed those assumptions before they got out of hand, though in that respect PD has been consistently terrible rather than just over this single issue (they did the same thing with the Standard cars, and they may be doing the same thing with the Day/Night transitions and weather). Its hard not to make an assumption when all of the PR by the company has lead you to believe your assumption is correct.

Yes, I completely agree PD could have done a much better job but, at the same time, the reader needs to put in to context what he/she has read. That slide, in context, has nothing to do with GT5. It has everything to do with the franchise going forward...like a plan that looks to the long term aspirations of a company.

You're also right in saying it's not hard to make assumptions but you've only got yourself to blame for that

 

[Devedander]

and of course the thing don't ends there because with the livery editor you can make any rally course you want,maybe not with amazing background but with really good layout and challenges.

I am not so sure about that.. the description so far seems to sound like you can pick a terrain location and on that you can lay certain kinds of road....

Now a lot about rally tracks is visibility, intricacies and elevation changes... it doesn't sound to me like that's what we are looking at...

I've read that. My point stands. All we know is that it isn't completely comprehensive and it uses a slider system instead. That means it could be as basic as the track editor in Lotus R.E.C.S., as extensive as the track editor in V-Rally 2, somewhere in between the two or more powerful then both of them.

I think it sounds a lot like the random map generators of older FPSs... like you take the general map, give me some variables and the computer generates a map based on that.

 

[eSZee]

I see your point. I think that the other side of the coin is that the slide shows that Kaz wanted it and realized it was a valuable asset and now it's gone... so just like many of us KY and PD both knew GT5 would benefit from a livery editor, and just like all of us, they must know that not having it is a huge chunk of life that GT5 won't have.

I still want to see where it says that the slide is just a "wishing well" for gt5 and not an actual included features list. When Amar said it was just a tentative list, it was the first time I ever heard that. So I'm asking again for someone to show me where it's confirmed exactly what that screen shows.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Well, they said that back then in the conference, it was a future plan of features they hoped would make it in GTHD, or a future Gran Turismo.

 

[eSZee]

Well, they said that back then in the conference, it was a future plan of features they hoped would make it in GTHD, or a future Gran Turismo.

But that screen is from october 2007 IIRC, GT:HD was scrapped year before that.
I'm trying to piece the whole story together.

 

[Vincent Viceroy]

I see your point. I think that the other side of the coin is that the slide shows that Kaz wanted it and realized it was a valuable asset and now it's gone... so just like many of us KY and PD both knew GT5 would benefit from a livery editor, and just like all of us, they must know that not having it is a huge chunk of life that GT5 won't have.

For sure it's something they want to include...and by the looks of things he's fully aware that Forza and forums like this has forced his hand.

I guess/assume that either a) it can't be done with everything else on PS3 or b) it'll be in an update...which would be sweet...or c) it's saved until GT6 on PS4.