If GT5 does incorporate a livery editor...

[E28]

I'm all for a livery editor. And at the end of the day if you buy a game, it's your copy and you can do what you like (providing you don't upset other players) and if you want to paint your old Renault Clio with a gulf livery, fine, go ahead! (Don't worry, I won't be doing that)

And Sony are trying to expand the 'Play,Create,Share' genre, and this would help do excatly that!

 

[Dimitrov]

Just change color and add numbers.

I guess NFS: Porsche had that -- can't remember exactly.

 

[cygnus_zero]

Would love this feature. In GT the cars just feel like stock crap that you know everyone else also has. But in Forza being able to create your own designs really helps make a car feel like its YOURS. And to me before I played forza I would have said that its unimportant, its all about the racing, but it really did become something that I grew to love, and I really actually started to care about my cars.

So yeah, this would be huge for me, I hope they add it as DLC.

 

[BoneSawTX]

only problem with personal designs is very few actually look good, most butcher something together that looks great for a 2nd grader. Personally don't mind it not being included and if it was I'd ask for an option to turn off player skins.

 

[Killinator]

only problem with personal designs is very few actually look good, most butcher something together that looks great for a 2nd grader. Personally don't mind it not being included and if it was I'd ask for an option to turn off player skins.

But you can't not include it becsue it rubs some people up the wrong way, or 'some' people will make crappy, cringe-worthy paintjobs,
If PD used that logic for all portions of the game we could arguably end up without multiplayer becasue 'some' people may be bad or dirty drivers, so with that risk in mind just cut the feature.

Ive spent lots of time painting in Forza 2 and 3 and there are more than enough talented painters in its community to justify the feature,

If people don't like seeing spongebob on a Fiat 500 then keep it in your rear mirror, thats all that matters anyway.

 

[F1NK]

If they do include a Livery editor then I'd just keep it simple.A thin pinstripe along the side of the car with my username or initials would do.Have it the same on all of my cars to make them my own rather than some outlandish ott paintjob.

 

[BoneSawTX]

But you can't not include it becsue it rubs some people up the wrong way, or 'some' people will make crappy, cringe-worthy paintjobs,
If PD used that logic for all portions of the game we could arguably end up without multiplayer becasue 'some' people may be bad or dirty drivers, so with that risk in mind just cut the feature.

Ive spent lots of time painting in Forza 2 and 3 and there are more than enough talented painters in its community to justify the feature,

If people don't like seeing spongebob on a Fiat 500 then keep it in your rear mirror, thats all that matters anyway.

yea i don't see them under any circumstance ever taking multiplayer away. on the other hand i could see a developer keeping out an editor just because they would rather not have garbage in their game. I know of a few games that approve skins to keep out bad art work and if PD is working towards the "perfect car sim" i could see them keeping a full all out editor out of the game.

 

[Robsta11]

Aint gonna happen, your gonna have to wait for GT6.

 

[Tenacious D]

Hopefully the nattering progressive controller types that will only see things their way aren't in control in a few years. The idiot Clintons took coconut oil and butter out of movie popcorn because if you lived on it, you could get fat and die. Gasp. And now it tastes like salty styrofoam, at least in America. Yay, nanny state protect-us-from-our-stupid-selves thought police.

If someone came to your house and wouldn't let you play your game the way you wanted to, how long do you think they would be welcome there? I think some people need a serious time out to understand that if someone is doing something in GT5 that you don't particularly like, like drifting or painting a car the way they want to, it doesn't affect your life one iota.

 

[XEPEGTP]

only problem with personal designs is very few actually look good, most butcher something together that looks great for a 2nd grader. Personally don't mind it not being included and if it was I'd ask for an option to turn off player skins.

Except those are personal opinions, im sure Van Gogh had his fair share of haters but the point is you can do what YOU like, if you dont like this persons design, go to a private room with people who match your aesthetic standards, dont skip out ont he feature because a few people want manga porn and pedobear livs.

 

[Slurm]

I can actually sympathise with those who honestly believe they'll find themselves in a sea of trashy, childish designs. I don't want that either. I do believe you have very cynical, and probably inaccurate expectations, though. The creations of many Forza players look better than 90% of real race cars, and they're unique and personal. Remember, we do have lobbies and friends lists with GT5's online mode, so it shouldn't be hard to find races or track days where liveries are banned or moderated. Keeping this feature out the game blocks an endless mine of creativity and diversity IMO. Anyway we're not getting it so it's all elementary now.

Please deliver in GT6 Yamauchi!

 

[Spagetti69]

yea i don't see them under any circumstance ever taking multiplayer away. on the other hand i could see a developer keeping out an editor just because they would rather not have garbage in their game. I know of a few games that approve skins to keep out bad art work and if PD is working towards the "perfect car sim" i could see them keeping a full all out editor out of the game.

I think Kaz is adding one to GT6. I take it you wont be buying it.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

yea i don't see them under any circumstance ever taking multiplayer away. on the other hand i could see a developer keeping out an editor just because they would rather not have garbage in their game. I know of a few games that approve skins to keep out bad art work and if PD is working towards the "perfect car sim" i could see them keeping a full all out editor out of the game.

So we wouldn't really have freedom, but would have to create things that appeal to PD? Hmmm.

Every time someone brings up their disdain for a full-on livery editor, I say the same thing, and so did you:

I'd ask for an option to turn off player skins.

A little check box in the options menu could solve the whole thing, really. Whenever PD gets around to catching up on this front, I wonder if they'll do something like that.

 

[Mr Fox]

I think theres one big problem with having the developer regulate which user made liveries make it into the game, and that copyright infringement.

If a player wants to create race replicas, or custom paintjobs that feature copyrighted imagery, theres no way the developer would allow those liveries into the game.

It would affect race replicas, because those paintjobs feature company logos, most of which PD wont be licensed to use, all the different decals and logos needed to replicate an existing livery, might be impossible (or incredibly time consuming) for PD to allow into the game.

It would also affect fantasy liveries , take a spongebob, southpark, batman livery, the characters and associated imagery has to be licensed, IF PD or Sony are in control of the distribution of custom liveries, all of that would have to be taken into account.

I might be wrong, im no expert in copyright law, but i cant see PD or Sony wanting to having the final say on liveries, the most they would want is to be able to enforce TOS, so no pornography or discriminatory imagery.

 

[E28]

I think theres one big problem with having the developer regulate which user made liveries make it into the game, and that copyright infringement.

If a player wants to create race replicas, or custom paintjobs that feature copyrighted imagery, theres no way the developer would allow those liveries into the game.

It would affect race replicas, because those paintjobs feature company logos, most of which PD wont be licensed to use, all the different decals and logos needed to replicate an existing livery, might be impossible (or incredibly time consuming) for PD to allow into the game.

It would also affect fantasy liveries , take a spongebob, southpark, batman livery, the characters and associated imagery has to be licensed, IF PD or Sony are in control of the distribution of custom liveries, all of that would have to be taken into account.

I might be wrong, im no expert in copyright law, but i cant see PD or Sony wanting to having the final say on liveries, the most they would want is to be able to enforce TOS, so no pornography or discriminatory imagery.

Well, this already happens in forza, it's not uncommon to see replicas of real racing cars, but the logos have been replicated by the user using text and shapes available.

 

[GT_Fanatiic]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R-s3MXkYm9Y/R...-Edition-Ford-GT-Heritage-SA-Top-1280x960.jpg

http://images.corvettefever.com/fea...vrolet_corvette_grand_sport+overhead_view.jpg

Heritage Ford GT and a Corvette Grand Sport that would make me happy

 

[Callumnicholson]

Tbh I'd be happy if PD pre-made liveries for every car and that you could change a few of the things in the livery like the colour of the stripes or base colour for every specific livery etc. Or PD should give the type of sponsorship and livery customization that racedriver GRID had, but better and more sponsors and more designs.

 

[Tenacious D]

Well, this already happens in forza, it's not uncommon to see replicas of real racing cars, but the logos have been replicated by the user using text and shapes available.

Yeah. The deal is that a game company is selling the content, and thus they have to license it. A user isn't gaining any financial benefit from it, and thus can copy anything they want because the copyright system is concerned with the commerce of protected properties.

I couldn't produce a model of a race car without an agreement with the owner, but I can make a painting to hang on my wall, and share images of it online. Or I can recreate it in Forza or some other game with an art program.

Which reminds me, I'm way behind with a certain painting... oy.

 

[ferhound]

I dont know if you all played GT2, but, in this game happened to be a racing model for each and almost every car in the game. Its not a livery editor, its not a Little big planet for cars, is just an option to pay some credits to change the car appeareance by adding many decals (precustomized). The last icon must be "racing model".

 

[XEPEGTP]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R-s3MXkYm9Y/R...-Edition-Ford-GT-Heritage-SA-Top-1280x960.jpg

http://images.corvettefever.com/fea...vrolet_corvette_grand_sport+overhead_view.jpg

Heritage Ford GT and a Corvette Grand Sport that would make me happy

Bro corvette Grand Sport been in GT since the early days, exactly that model.

 

[Mr Fox]

Well, this already happens in forza, it's not uncommon to see replicas of real racing cars, but the logos have been replicated by the user using text and shapes available.

Im aware of how thing work in forza, the point im trying to make is Turn10 dont regulate the user made liveries unless they break TOS.

Turn10 has to get permission to use copyrighted logos and images in the game, afaik players can create and distibute race reps or liveries with copyrighted imagery because its not being done for profit, or promotion, if players had to submit their designs to T10 in order to get them into the game (as some have suggested) im guessing that could be seen imo as the developer circumventing copyright law.


look at the user made gift cars T10 distibutes, non afaik are race reps, or feature copyrighted logos/images (unless its the existing pre-made decals in the editor), they (T10) dont distribute anything that features licensed material.

So theres only 3 options avalible to PD...

1: No livery editor

2: limited livery editor, players can only select and place pre-made decals, logos, numbers.

3: A full custom livery editor, players can create their own decals and designs.

 

[analog]

So theres only 3 options avalible to PD...

1: No livery editor

2: limited livery editor, players can only select and place pre-made decals, logos, numbers.

3: A full custom livery editor, players can create their own decals and designs.

Thanks Einstein , that's indeed the 3 options available although it's the way they reinterpret the whole livery editor in a way suitable for GT and how it's implemented in an original way which may be their biggest concern.
I'm sure they're perfectly capable of creating a livery editor like the one in Forza ( in fact I'm betting they already have made several prototype builds to test and analyze ) but to add a unique twist to truly make it their own might be more difficult and the fact they'll probably will make it in a way where you'll only need to use a PS3.

 

[Mr Fox]

it's the way they reinterpret the whole livery editor in a way suitable for GT and how it's implemented in an original way which may be their biggest concern.

I think PD are going to end up with a full blown livery editor sooner or later, thing is if they are going to put alot of work/money into creating one, their also going have to create a means of allowing the community to distribute the designs, given that 90% or more players either lack the artistic or technical skill to create good designs.

so yeah unless we want 90% of the designs we see online to be complete cr*p, they have to provide a means for the average joe to easily access quality liveries, it doesnt have to be a auction house, but there needs to be a some sort of feature to allow that to happen

 

[Sommerlund]

If they do include a Livery editor then I'd just keep it simple.A thin pinstripe along the side of the car with my username or initials would do.Have it the same on all of my cars to make them my own rather than some outlandish ott paintjob.

That`s just what I want too:tup:

 

[BORDER323]

one thing i would like to see from the livery editor .. if it ever does make a GT game..

usb support...

allowing us to import any pic we want from pc - usb - PS3

I dont want to have to spend 3 hours making one logo to add to my car, why not d/load logo from net convert to file type ( .jpeg / .png ) transfer via usb to ps3 ..slap it on the car... 2 mins max

this would allow unlimited design..make it fast and allow you to use dedicated programs for the editing.. PHOTOSHOP / PAINTSHOP pro for example.

this way sony dont have to waste time creating an editor as such.. there are already programs that do this a million times better then anything they could produce with a ps3.

just make the engine that allows us to add logo's...

and as for copyrights on logo's...

thats not something sony would have to be concerned with.. it would be the uses choice to add a DUNLOP logo... not sony, so any coyright infringement would be with the user.

Simple...

Ps3 already has USB support... just incorporate it into the editor... BINGO !!

 

[Tenacious D]

So theres only 3 options avalible to PD...

1: No livery editor

2: limited livery editor, players can only select and place pre-made decals, logos, numbers.

3: A full custom livery editor, players can create their own decals and designs.

Well... those are the only options anyone has available for a livery editor.

As for importing images, as much as I'd like that myself, there's just too much opportunity for nonsense with that. No console game I'm aware of will let you do that, because too many kids will put obscene, racist or radical crap on their cars, sometimes just to get a rise from others for all of five minutes. Humans baffle me.

There's a website or two I lost track of with logos from various businesses around the world, and it would be so cool to just grab them and use them in Gran Turismo, rather than piece them together from shapes and fonts. Doing it in Forza became very time consuming, so for many of the less desirable ones, I just went to the Storefront to find them. The same with national flags. Spain's in particular is a pain to reproduce, so I bought one that looked accurate and used it as a pattern. There is a dragon on the shield, and not having one available in the vinyl list, I substituted a penguin for it.

So far, no one noticed, but that's the kind of power I want to see in the GT livery editor. If something isn't there, like a flag, you can make it. If a race car isn't in the list, you can recreate it. If you want to make your own racing identity for your car, like every pro and semi-pro race car driver in the universe, you can. But I'm betting when we can, we'll be playing with shapes like the others do it.

 

[Sp Y2]

This...

...is porn. [For me anyway]
Even if the R15 TDi Plus isin't in the game, I've seen people pull this look off with the R10 on Forza.

 

[Zuel]

This...

...is porn. [For me anyway]
Even if the R15 TDi Plus isin't in the game, I've seen people pull this look off with the R10 on Forza.

👍
I hope we can go into that much detail. As well add our own pictures so they can be added. Tasteful pictures guys and gals.

 

[gtone339]

^ I'm still waiting for a complete list of LMPS for GT5. 👍

 

[analog]

The one thing that's often lacking in this discussion is humour I find, as much as I hope a livery editor will give me and others who are similarly minded the opportunity to hopefully create unique and beautiful designs or others the chance to replicate an existing design, the fear some seem to have for obscenities or bad jokes to appear in their precious clean cut GT-Utopia is sometimes hilarious.

A simple option to not display custom liveries online would ofcourse solve this but why impose self-censorship in the first place?
I'm not suggesting appreciating obscene language, symbols or bad jokes but part of the fun for me probably is watching cars created by people with no taste, code of conduct or creative skill as they stroll by, like I do seeing horribly butched-up and questionable modded road cars and their drivers passing by in real life.
Seeing those poorly conceived monstrosities always makes me chuckle ( and making completely unfounded and highly judgemental assumptions about their drivers ) but maybe I'm in a minority regarding this.

Anyway, like I said before the creative opportunity offered by a livery editor hopefully creates for the most part beautiful designs or recreations but it also offers the opportunity for a good joke and why not?
I couldn't contain doing it myself to be honest and adding a joke or an entire concept based on a humorous notion can also create an object of beauty itself like the picture below shows in my view ( it's a Porsche 917 "Piggy" ).
Remember the classic BMW 2002 Turbo in GT4 whereby the word Turbo was written mirrored on the front spoiler like the real one making it only readable seeing it from the rearview mirror of the car in front?
That was a nice joke by BMW in my opinion and sure offers opportunities to make a message only readable through looking in the mirror ( funny or not ).