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Could it be that the mx5 feels more realistic but is harder to drive and therefore the people don't like it? I'm just throwing this out there, I've never driven an mx5 and can't really comment on the handling characteristics as i drive a fwd irl so hopefully someone with some good knowledge provides input.

My evidence that something is terribly wrong is that the mx5-cup is ok and the roadster is horrible. They are different cars but still the difference between them on the NTM makes no sense to me.

I have a very hard time believing the NTM roadster, one of the rookie cars (?), is what was intended. My experience is limited but I would say the reviled Solstice is easier to drive. I have an easier time getting the Lotus 79 around the track :)
 
In my opinion the Roadster is now easier to drive than the Cup Car. But I don't think there's such a huge divide between them as people are claiming. Both are clearly less benign than they used to be. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, as I think wit the OTM, they were a bit too stable to be truly realistic. But I think they may have gone a tad over-board. When driven moderately, they both feel more like real cars. The braking feels more realistic, they're smoother, for lack of a better term, when cornering, the handling just feels more natural. But when really pushed to the limit, the Roadster in particular feels very odd. And it's now very difficult to drive. The front end wants to understeer and the rear end wants to swap ends. It's like the front and rear of the car are at odds with each other. It feels decidedly unbalanced.

With the baseline setup in the Roadster, I was able to get within about 2 tenths of my Okayama full course record (1:50.1). But I had a difficult time doing it and I don't think I could drive at that pace and not send my SR crashing through the floor. I played around with it and by decreasing the negative camber all around, increasing the tire pressure to about 31~32 psi, all around, and pushing the brake bias a few clicks further forward, I was able to make the car much more drivable. Unfortunately, once the tires are warmed up, the understeer becomes worse and worse. With this setup, I struggled to get within a second of my PB and after about 10~12 laps, I was struggling to get put in times of under 1:52. I was losing almost 1/2 a second on the first left hander alone.

Eventually, people will probably be able to dial it in, but it's really miserable for Rookies. The MX5 was ideal as an entry level car because it was well balanced and relatively easy to drive. The baseline setup is pretty horrible and I think it's going to turn a lot of people off. I really hope they make some adjustments.

I'll have to put a bit more time into the Cup Car to compare it.
 
iRacing staff person, Grant Reeve

The setups on the MX-5s were made perhaps 2 weeks ago, which is like 293849238542 iterations of tire physics ago, lol. Those setups could certainly do with more adjustment to adapt to what the current flavor of NTM needs: more air pressure, less camber, brake bias tweaks, etc, as a few of you are beginning to realize.

http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/100/1821842.page#3906686

I am completely baffled as to why they would release the NTM on the MX5s with known bad baseline setups for rookies running a fixed setup race after it had already started...

How does that add up to anything but bad judgment?

I think I am beginning to obsess :)
 
Yeah they should've released those setups during 13th week or something. After all, I dont recall any official MX-5 events being run. So common sense should've kicked in there.

Luckily I just barely starting driving the LAte Model on the OTM so I'm not too bad off. Still didnt get to the Legends car yet. I am trying to put it off cause that was my baby and bread winner guaranteed. So I am extremely worried what they have done :nervous:
 
I am completely baffled as to why they would release the NTM on the MX5s with known bad baseline setups for rookies running a fixed setup race after it had already started...

I agree. Awesome though iRacing is, they're very good at not seeing the obvious. In this case it isn't great that anyone new joining the service gets to drive a badly set up car. Sure, they'll have fixed it by next week but for some new members that'll be too late as they'll have already given up iRacing as too difficult. I also don't understand why they didn't wait to release this build until the end of week 1 - some people will have practised with cars earlier in the week and come to a totally different car later in the week not realising how much the new build has changed things.

Still didnt get to the Legends car yet. I am trying to put it off cause that was my baby and bread winner guaranteed.

The Legends car is very different now with the NTM but in my opinion just as much fun.
 
Sorry if it has been covered, but which cars get the NTM with this build??



Edit: So after trying out the Vette and the Ford GT post update they definitely feel much much better.

C6.R, my favorite car and I was against it getting this NTM crap! Why fix it if it aint broken right? Wrong! This car feel s so much better and so much docile to drive now! The crazy slip angles are gone and sane precise driving is in, well done here iRacing.

Ford GT, I was terrified of this beast! Anything more than 3 laps and hello wall it was! Now, this car feels like it should've been from the begining! Still feels heavier than the Vete and slower(just like it is supposed to be), but now you can drive the car, you can enjoy the car gone is the fear of getting SR hits going down the straight, if the back steps out you can catch it, the front now actually has grip! No more plowing off track front tires smoking! Yes! This is the car we should've gotten since day 1! thank you iRacing for having fixed this car, you still suck for bringing it out broken to begin with!

That's all for now.
 
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Oh my god, I bought that stupid Jetta last week so I could participate in the series, now they make it so that I never needed it? Thats ridiculous..

EDIT: Oh my...the mazda, what happened to it! I couldnt pull out of a tiny tiny little fishtail at the top of the hill, I cant go through corners straight out of the pits without ridiculous oversteer. The car even seems to have lift off oversteer, however its worsened by the fact that the brakes are 80% to the front with nothing I can do to fix it. I used to love this car, now, not so much.
 
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Great job in your first two Lotus races. You did much better then I did in my first race of this season. I was dragging the throttle through Becketts, Stowe, and Priory, which cost me a second a lap. :ouch:
Thanks! Did we race together? What's your name there?

I had fun in the Lotus but I'm done for the week, need to focus on the Spec Racer since I'll start in a championship with it next tuesday.

I practiced with it some more this afternoon and I'm digging its NTM. You can feel the car much better now. But the car has more grip in the first laps, it's easier to correct. I don't know if the tires are heating too much but after a few laps if the car oversteers sometimes you can't avoid spinning out.

Here's a video with my best lap so far in Summit Point:



How do you like my team's livery for it?
 
Yeah that NTM is absolute bull:censored:. My favourite car, ruined.

I just tried about 30 mins of it with another mate on Okayama full. No, just no. Nothing we can do will save what they have done. The car oversteers EVERYWHERE. Every corner, the thing handles like an MR2 or any other MR car. Its disgusting. I sincerely hope they fix this and that they dont destroy the Ford Falcon as well.
 
Changed my mind on the Corvette, the thing is too twitchy and unforgiving, off throttle oversteer, uncatchable slides and snap oversteer on corner exit, tyres seem to change their behaviour from corner to corner making it quite an unpredictable car to drive. Was running fixed setup.

I tried the HPD (LMP2 car) and that thing since the patch is fantastic, all the issues have been sorted (it was a lot like the Corvette is now), though the brakes are perhaps a bit too good now. I was going to run the Corvette this season but I can be more consistant and less stressed with the HPD.

Perhaps the problem is that they need to adjust all of the setups (baseline and fixed series) to work with the NTM, because some of them are truly aweful (MX5 Roadster). But even with setup aside, the NTM is very over the top with its characteristics on a lot of cars, which is why people are finding it very difficult to drive.
 
At least the Legends car is much MUCH better. I could never drive that thing without spinning out, it now feels all connected, the complete opposite of the MX-5.

I am putting a video up of an incident today however. Its not the crash that's weird, more what happened after.
 
At least the Legends car is much MUCH better. I could never drive that thing without spinning out, it now feels all connected, the complete opposite of the MX-5.

I am putting a video up of an incident today however. Its not the crash that's weird, more what happened after.

yeah, the MX5 is a handful. I think i read a post at the iracing forum that the fixed setup for the MX5 is screwed up and a new setup is coming?
:dunce:
 
Yeah that NTM is absolute bull:censored:. My favourite car, ruined.

I just tried about 30 mins of it with another mate on Okayama full. No, just no. Nothing we can do will save what they have done. The car oversteers EVERYWHERE. Every corner, the thing handles like an MR2 or any other MR car. Its disgusting. I sincerely hope they fix this and that they dont destroy the Ford Falcon as well.


i like the new MX5´s.
best lap with the Roadster was a 1.48,6xx, baseline setup, only changed tire pressure to lowest.

Cup = 1.48,0xx

you must drive all the cars with the NTM smooth, thats all. if you push to much your tires will be overheated.

my setup for both cars. :)


start at 2:30 ;)
 

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The thing is that I never got a chance to push it. It handles like an mr car, it's like power must always be down to not spin out. Once it starts spinning it is actually near impossible to pull out of any slide at all. And this is almost one of the easiest cars to drive in the world...
 
So here is the rookie's report on the NTM.

1) MX5. Cup, ok. Roadster a serious problem on fixed setup. Both need baseline setups that are newbie friendly - easy and fun. It is already hard enough to get started with IRacing.

2) SFR - Nice. I only ran a few laps on the OTM but I think the NTM on it is good. There is a lot to learn from this car.

3) Legends. Here I clearly like the NTM over the OTM. Not sure I can say exactly why but it just feels better.

I got a 2nd place finish in the Legends car tonight. It was a demolition derby at South Boston. Quite fun and a nice break from the road side (*i.e. crashing the SRF).
 
I spent some time in the Legends and Street Stocks last night and tonight for the first time in about 3 months. The NTM isn't too bad on them. Both of them have lots of understeer, but I think thats just the fixed setup. I like the fact that I'm turning left now. From what I can remember from the OTM, I was turning right just as much as turning left which just didn't seem right. One reason why I think I never got into the oval side too much. It felt like I had to drift through the corners. Now I think I'm going to be doing more oval racing because of the NTM.👍

I also have been getting used to the MX-5's. Just running laps at LRP on the fixed setup(which desperately needs tweaking), but I'm getting the feel for it. Still about .8 off my OTM time. Not sure if I'll ever see that time again.:grumpy:

The Ford GT and C6.R is great. Sebring is one of my least favorite tracks and I still love both cars. Can't wait till we get to a track that I really enjoy.

Overall I'm digging the NTM. I was pretty critical of it a few days ago and still am to an extent. I believe iRacing will keep tweaking it and get all the little bugs and oddities taken care of.

Whats up with people doing burnouts and donuts after the race ends? I did two Legends races and the winner in both(different winners, I finished 2nd in both) races did donuts after the race. Doesn't that affect your SR? I've wanted to do a little burnout or a donut, but always thought it would be dumb to get any incident points for a celebration. Unless you don't lose incident points. Anyone shed some light?

And one last thing about NTM. Was racing the Street Stocks and spun out entering corner trying to miss someone in practice. I looped the car around and went on my way, but when I got to the next turn I spun again. I'm thinking what the heck is going on? Tire temps are alot more important on the NTM. I had to be pretty careful for a few laps till the rear tires cooled back down before I could drive like normal. Very nice. I like the fact that if someone abuses their tires there is consequences.👍 Don't remember that happening on the OTM.
 
Whats up with people doing burnouts and donuts after the race ends? I did two Legends races and the winner in both(different winners, I finished 2nd in both) races did donuts after the race. Doesn't that affect your SR? I've wanted to do a little burnout or a donut, but always thought it would be dumb to get any incident points for a celebration. Unless you don't lose incident points. Anyone shed some light?
Incidents still count until the last person finishes the race. I never understood why oval people do stuff like this after a race. I hate seeing it in nascar and I hate seeing it at local short track races.
 
Incidents still count until the last person finishes the race. I never understood why oval people do stuff like this after a race. I hate seeing it in nascar and I hate seeing it at local short track races.

Oh, ok. I've been on iRacing since May or June and this is the first time I've seen this.

So it would be fair to slam into them while doing their donuts.:sly:
 
The falcon can only get better, it's really a joke as it is now.

You mean the way it handles? It's designed to handle that way. It's supposed to be entertaining.

And it's what makes the V8supercars the best touring car series on the planet.
 
Maybe someone can answer. Why am I in a different division for time trial then I am in for the races? I thought they were the same.
 
Hey i just recently heard of iracing and was curious if the logitech driving force gt works with this. And if there is some kind of gift card for it?
 
Hey i just recently heard of iracing and was curious if the logitech driving force gt works with this. And if there is some kind of gift card for it?

I've used the DFGT with iRacing before and it works very well. As far as gift cards go, I am not sure.
 
Hey i just recently heard of iracing and was curious if the logitech driving force gt works with this. And if there is some kind of gift card for it?

Yes, gift cards can be bought and used for iRacing

http://www.iracing.com/gear-webstore/
"Lots of iRacers have family or friends who want to give them iRacing cars or tracks, and other members want to give iRacing content to fellow iRacers or subscriptions to friends they want to introduce to the service. Now there’s a convenient way to give a gift you know will be appreciated – a few clicks and you can cross another item off your holiday shopping list.
This isn’t just a holiday promotion; iRacing Gift Certificates are here to stay and available for birthdays and any other gift-giving occasions. And the certificate itself makes a statement that this is something special. The buyer has the option of printing out the elegant, full-color certificate for in-person gift giving, or having it delivered anywhere in the world as a printable e-mail."

iRacing also runs subscription offers for new members.
3 months for $12
http://www.iracing.com/3-for-1/

1 month for $6 or 1 year for $49
http://www.iracing.com/leagues/pricing.php
 
Also just a thought for new members, when signing up, if you have nobody who referred you to iracing and were going to leave it blank, grab somebodies email from here who you thought was helpful. At least somebody can get some free credits to purchase new content.

For example: imtheboss could say Patrocles or rednalloc referred him as he helped him out with the question.

Obviously this is just a suggestion and nobody is obliged to carry out this task but thought it may be helpful to the gtp community.
 
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