It's now March; where is our promised community update?

[ProjectWHaT]

It's almost my birthday; where's my birthday present?

Happy birthday!

 

[Akiras Mantis]

(sings) ~ I just wanna make mah own race tracks ~!

 

[snoopybg]

I just wanna drive the cars in the game against the cars I want. I guess that is too much for a racing game.

 

[TRLWNC7396]

Here's a communication tip:

The scroll bar under the main menu.....

When was the last time IT was updated....

Seriously, I had to come to the boards to find out that the latest seasonals were in....

Now, I don't want a replay of January, but, at least give us SOMETHING!

 

[Griffith500]

@ProjectWHaT Haha, thanks! But my birthday isn't actually until September. People have had 6 months already, I don't know what they're playing at - only another six months to go! I was just being facaetious, really.

This has no impact on the entertainment division. It's actually doing really well.

This is just the PC hardware vertical. Other areas of Sony are also in taters.

We can be more specific than that even, in that it's about the VAIOs, which are laptop / netbooks / whatever, most of which have been functionally superseded by "tablets" and the like, in the mainstream. That would explain the idea of "stagnation" - people are just buying tablets instead (surely Sony could make VAIO tablets? Guess not).

Whilst "PC" hardware as a whole, in terms of the mainstream, is in a bit of a lull, it too is changing and there is potential for regrowth now, particularly with ideas like Steam OS flying around. Consolidate and streamline to suit the size and "purpose" of the market, and products don't have to actually disappear - that probably is better suited to more agile entities.

Still, you've got to love sensationalism in an area (investment) dominated by the fear of "uncertainty".

 

[jimipitbull]

We can be more specific than that even, in that it's about the VAIOs, which are laptop / netbooks / whatever, most of which have been functionally superseded by "tablets" and the like, in the mainstream. That would explain the idea of "stagnation" - people are just buying tablets instead (surely Sony could make VAIO tablets? Guess not).

Sony make tablets - xperia z, same division as the phones I believe

 

[Griffith500]

Sony make tablets - xperia z

Right, thought it would be odd if they didn't (don't follow this stuff, thanks for the heads-up), so it's really just an internal redistribution of developmental focus (with brand re-jigging etc., smartphones and tablets have a lot of overlap it seems), and selling off of something which has become too low volume to be "worthwhile".

Not really a big deal. Except the substantial (?) financial "loss" (negative flow; investing in new directions?) serving as the backdrop for it all, of course... The PS4 could do with some more games, then!

 

[TenEightyOne]

I want them to make GT7 available for pre-order so that I can cancel my pre-order publicly and noisily* because of teh updatez.


*I'll just pre-order it somewhere else too without saying anything

 

[jimipitbull]

I want them to make GT7 available for pre-order so that I can cancel my pre-order publicly and noisily* because of teh updatez.


*I'll just pre-order it somewhere else too without saying anything

Here you go http://multiplayer.com/videogiochi/playstation-4/gran-turismo-7-gt7.html

translated here http://translate.google.com/transla...ogiochi/playstation-4/gran-turismo-7-gt7.html

 

[TenEightyOne]

Here you go http://multiplayer.com/videogiochi/playstation-4/gran-turismo-7-gt7.html

translated here http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&ie=UTF-8&tl=en&u=http://multiplayer.com/videogiochi/playstation-4/gran-turismo-7-gt7.html

Excellent, thank you! Pre-order cancelled because this game looks the same as Geoff Crammond 4 without the updates etc. etc.

 

[MustangManiac]

This has no impact on the entertainment division. It's actually doing really well.

This is just the PC hardware vertical. Other areas of Sony are also in taters.

Your joking right? If corporate takes a billion dollar loss you can 🤬 well bet it will affect the entire company. Sony entertainment announced 100 million in cuts late last year so it doesn't look like they are doing so well themselves!

 

[TurismoBad]

I saw some posters saying "they said bi-monthly and look - not even one update"

Bi-monthly means once every two months, not twice a month. Twice a month is "bi-weekly"

Just saying. You guys sure understood correctly ? Did they said "twice a month" or "bi-monthly" in that statement y'all referring to ?

 

[Lawndart]

There is always the possibility that there is residual impact but highly unlikely. The same has happened to MS.

Both MS and Sony run their entertainment divisions independently. In the case of Sony, it's there only profitable business unit. If anything their expectations will increase to shore up a diffrent verticals deficit.

The residual possibility would only apply to a corporate mandate of a % of cuts across the board. But this would have already happened by now. Additionally sony separates its hardware and software departments on the entertainment side, only combining revenue for quarterly reports, this is to safeguard from major impacts.

If 5k people lost their jobs, that conclusion took at minimum 6 months to coordinate. There is no such ramblings from the entertainment side, in fact they are actually growing.

Ok, I've been bitching a lot, and backing it up with real world experience.

Today? I feel like being a bit norm re positive because there are often just as many positive possibilities than negative ones, so long as nothing is confirmed anyway...

So here is another quite common possibility that explains the lack of communication and updates. Its nothing new that no one has mentioned, so I'll explain it from a 'behind the curtain' pov.

On nearly countless times, going back to the 90s even (patches, demos, etc), I thought we could do a "simple update". We really thought we had it worked out, what could possibly go wrong? Well, sometimes everything blows up... Hard to revert code checkins, impossible to find crash bugs, memory leaks, mysterious packet loss, etc, literally 100s of very real problems can pop up at any moment.

Errors, flaws, strange unknown issues, what ever you want to call them are 50% of a development effort. As anyone knows in software development can relate, but in games it's compounded by a factor of 100.

It's why game developers are master problem solves and even NASA states "creative component software development" (games) are the hard job on the planet.

To my point... I've had this "we are right there! Maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow!" And hours turn to days, days weeks, etc. its like trying to catch a chicken in a 10x10 room... This is so common I have loads of stories that all end with something quite stupid being the culprits.

But what worse is marketing is on our ass for updates and we keep saying soon, maybe tomorrow... And they never trust us so even they are gagged... So comunication gets the lockdown until we can comit to a deployment/release.

This isn't as common these days but pd aren't really living in today's world of game development... So perhaps they in this cyclical loop... And simply can't comment... Especially with Kaz being the emperor of the product and a Sony VP, combined with the culture... Well I can't imagine that many at Sony are ridding Kaz's butt...

So maybe it is just around the corner, maybe the lack of comunication is more due to being "right there" for several weeks, and not so much the business model, lack of effort, etc. someone as small as intermittent connection loss would hit millions at once, and that is a whole other PR nightmare worse that angry minorities over features.

Until we know otherwise, I might as well toe both sides of the line...

 

[CeeJay]

I saw some posters saying "they said bi-monthly and look - not even one update"

Bi-monthly means once every two months, not twice a month. Twice a month is "bi-weekly"

Just saying. You guys sure understood correctly ? Did they said "twice a month" or "bi-monthly" in that statement y'all referring to ?

Holy cow, if it really is an update every 2 months that means we won't see all of the GT Vision cars until like 2017??

 

[Vagabond]

I saw some posters saying "they said bi-monthly and look - not even one update"

Bi-monthly means once every two months, not twice a month. Twice a month is "bi-weekly"

Just saying. You guys sure understood correctly ? Did they said "twice a month" or "bi-monthly" in that statement y'all referring to ?

Actually its an ambiguous term that can mean either twice a month or every two months.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

There's an auto show at Geneva and there's a Subaru concept that looks like the Vision GT Subaru:
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ssover-with-viziv-2-geneva-motor-show-concept

GT6:

Subaru Concept at Geneva:

Maybe PD's going to release an update with this?

It’s called the Viziv 2 ... The Viziv name is a coined word inspired by the phrase “vision for innovation”

 

[GTCHAMPION1]

cant believe Im counting minutes for a games update... lol this is depressing!

 

[LVracerGT]

I saw some posters saying "they said bi-monthly and look - not even one update"

Bi-monthly means once every two months, not twice a month. Twice a month is "bi-weekly"

Just saying. You guys sure understood correctly ? Did they said "twice a month" or "bi-monthly" in that statement y'all referring to ?

I remember they said GT5 was going to be updated bi-monthly, and that didn't happen. I also specifically remember PD saying we would get 2 updates in January and we only got 1 IIRC.

Nothing but empty promises and underachieving from PD on PS3. Doesn't bode well for a Sony funded and backed studio with almost no restrictions on development time.

 

[diegorborges]

Worse than this... Its not minutes, its days

 

[TenEightyOne]

I remember they said GT5 was going to be updated bi-monthly, and that didn't happen.

There were 30 updates in all, I think. Bi-monthly they'd take 60 months (5 years) to deliver depending on which of the two possible definitions of "bi-monthly" you use. It didn't take that long to deliver the updates therefore PD fulfilled their promise to excess.

What are you basing that claim on?

OT: A lot of people very excited for an update but I wonder if the community has talked itself into a state of unjustified expectation?

 

[Nish]

The Viziv is basically an SUV. It does have alike styling cues but I don't think that will be it. Maybe they will reveal a car along side it.

 

[Quakebass]

I saw some posters saying "they said bi-monthly and look - not even one update"

Bi-monthly means once every two months, not twice a month. Twice a month is "bi-weekly"

Just saying. You guys sure understood correctly ? Did they said "twice a month" or "bi-monthly" in that statement y'all referring to ?

One of those people was me, and I had meant "twice a month" - but then I found out I was mis-reading an article on the January updates. I couldn't find any source the said something other than one update and DLC per month.

This considered, if this massive Spanish track is to be the first DLC, I'd imagine this is where the monthly DLC begins...

 

[jerry555]

Last Updated: Feb 20, 2014

Termination of the Remaining Online Services for Gran Turismo 5

As previously mentioned in past announcements, the remaining online services for Gran Turismo 5, including Online Lobby, Seasonal Events, Museum, News, Community, Remote Race, Log in Bonus, Online Dealership and DLC purchase, will no longer be available after 03:00 EDT, 30 May, 2014.

We would like to thank everyone for their passion in supporting Gran Turismo 5’s online services, and we look forward to providing even better online services for Gran Turismo 6.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I am loving the last sentence, we can only hope.

(Taken off their website.)

 

[CeeJay]

OT: A lot of people very excited for an update but I wonder if the community has talked itself into a state of unjustified expectation?

I don't believe it's "unjustified expectation" when PD hasn't yet delivered on their pre-release promise of features that would be released for the game. Go to Amazon.com, the info for the game is for features that are still unavailable:

Create and customize your own race circuit on world renowned locations spanning several tens of square kilometers

Form and manage your own communities & events from local, domestic to global

Extend your Gran Turismo experience anywhere through Smart Phone, Tablet or PC

 

[cmbeal317]

There's an auto show at Geneva and there's a Subaru concept that looks like the Vision GT Subaru:
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...ssover-with-viziv-2-geneva-motor-show-concept

GT6:

Subaru Concept at Geneva:

Maybe PD's going to release an update with this?

This might be the Subaru VGT, but I'm not too convinced. They have some similar lines, and I imagine like in the videos from the Mercedes VGT, the image we see currently in GT6 is one of the ideas for the Subaru VGT; though it may not be what the final car looks like.

Even if this doesn't turn out to be the Subaru VGT, I can almost guarantee that at least one VGT will be unveiled in Geneva. I was a little surprised when one wasn't unveiled in Detroit, but I don't think they'll skip Geneva considering how important it is on the Auto Show calender.

 

[LVracerGT]

We would like to thank everyone for their passion in supporting Gran Turismo 5’s online services, and we look forward to providing even better online services for Gran Turismo 6.

They've got a LOT of work to do if they want it to be a better online experience than GT5, considering it's currently worse.

Of course it was taken down

 

[TenEightyOne]

I don't believe it's "unjustified expectation" when PD hasn't yet delivered on their pre-release promise of features that would be released for the game. Go to Amazon.com, the info for the game is for features that are still unavailable:

Create and customize your own race circuit on world renowned locations spanning several tens of square kilometers

Form and manage your own communities & events from local, domestic to global

Extend your Gran Turismo experience anywhere through Smart Phone, Tablet or PC

Sure, some of those features are still to come. PD have communicated that already, they don't need to repeat news constantly for me to have heard it.

I was referring more specifically to the fact that a number of people seem to believe that they're correctly anticipating the contents and schedule of the update, that anticipation is based on speculation based on loosely collected facts and is therefore, in my opinion, unjustified.

 

[Not_A_Guest]

The Viziv is basically an SUV. It does have alike styling cues but I don't think that will be it. Maybe they will reveal a car along side it.

That Viziv that looks like a round SUV does not fit the silhouette because that's not the Viziv being discussed here! To be exact, the subject of speculation is the Viziv-2-- which only has had part of its front end shown.

 

[vasiliflame]

There were 30 updates in all, I think. Bi-monthly they'd take 60 months (5 years) to deliver depending on which of the two possible definitions of "bi-monthly" you use. It didn't take that long to deliver the updates therefore PD fulfilled their promise to excess.

What are you basing that claim on?

OT: A lot of people very excited for an update but I wonder if the community has talked itself into a state of unjustified expectation?

I think your confusing bug fixing rather than updated game features

 

[Ghoa$t]

There were 30 updates in all, I think. Bi-monthly they'd take 60 months (5 years) to deliver depending on which of the two possible definitions of "bi-monthly" you use. It didn't take that long to deliver the updates therefore PD fulfilled their promise to excess.

What are you basing that claim on?

OT: A lot of people very excited for an update but I wonder if the community has talked itself into a state of unjustified expectation?

So we're gonna sit here and act like a bug fix is an update?

Especially when you consider the fact that some of them were to correct bugs that the update introduced.