Jaguar F-Type. Damn.
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A 4WD Jag F-Type? SWEET! 
The weight it adds may be a downside, but for regions like where I live that means it doesn't have to be bedded for the winter. Dream car has just gotten even better. 
The weight it adds may be a downside, but for regions like where I live that means it doesn't have to be bedded for the winter. Dream car has just gotten even better. 
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Of course. We still get sunshine when it snows, no excuse to put the roof back up. I actually got told the other day that it was "too hot to have the roof down" by a Florida local after seeing me driving in to a car park with the roof retracted. Nope, I want to be bright pink and in pain thanks, I'm British.
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Unless they designed the F with the idea of 4WD, unlike the XFRS and XJ, which were only done to supply demand later in the product cycle.The AWD variant probably won't come to Britain, just as the AWD XF and XJ didn't. Apparently the system is too expensive and too difficult to redesign to accommodate RHD. This is a shame.
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Look what I saw on my drive home this evening! It could be something else but it looks similar to spy shots of the AWD version:
Pretty sure one of the JLR testers lives on my road, saw an indentical looking mule turning around opposite my driveway last week, and it's not uncommon to see camo'd Rangies too at the same house.
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length no, width thats a massive difference, keep in mind its wider then a 911 turbo(by 1.7 inches)
When it comes to Sports cars and Supercars, their size comes from their Width, an Avantador for example is shorter then your average mid size car but it's wider then basically everything on the road.
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Form memory; The V6S Coupe Evo tested weighed 1,736kg. The Cayman weighed 1,365kg... over 350kg difference. A base 991 only weighs c.1,400kg... a 991 turbo is c.1,600kg.
In the EVO test, the Cayman beats the Jag on every measure except acceleration under 80mph. The Cayman has less power (and a lot less torque), narrower tyres, yet is as fast to 60, over 1s quicker to 100mph, 5 seconds quicker to 130mph and around 2s quicker on a 1'30ish lap round Bedford. The comments of the testers mention the negative effect of this extra weight on the Jags handling a number of times.
So the 2WD F-Type is already a VERY heavy car. 4WD would make a base V6S well over 1,800kg... which is ridiculous for a 2 seater coupe.
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The F type isn't a porsche, its not going to be anywhere near as dynamic as one and certainly no match handling wise, its more of a AMG type of car thats meant to sound crazy and do skids not a sharp instrument meant for the ultimate driving experience.
The Mercedes GT thats coming is the logical competition.
The Mercedes GT thats coming is the logical competition.
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considering its almost the difference in width of a cayman to a 911 turbo over the turbo i don't get your point.Yes, I don't think it's meant to be a sports car... more of a nice looking car to cruise in
Mercedes have specifically targeted the GT against the Porsche 991
Doesn't change the fact that the F-Type is far too heavy for a 2 seater coupe.
dimension wise its obvious where the weight is.
Mercedes have targeted the 911's sales in its price range, can't see Mercedes ever making a car as Dynamic.
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The maths for that doesn't add up. The F-types extra 4-5 inches over the Cayman should make it weigh 114kg more. But it weighs 235kg more than that.
Size differences and 'what type of sports car' it is doesn't change the fact that the F-type does have to compete with the Cayman in the market.
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wider tyres, different materials, bigger engines not sure what maths your using.
Jaguar clearly haven't tried to put this directly in porsche's direction more like offer something else.
The kind of person who is looking for a car like an F Type probably has no intrest in a similarly priced porsche and same thing with someone interested in porsches.
Using porsche based statistics to justify why its inferior or what not is basically invalid for what kind of car it is.
Why not have a db comparison or something that the car is actually good at.
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The sort where you said that the F-Type is much heavier because of it's width difference. Does the F-type have much bigger wheels/tyres than the Cayman? Does it's 6-cylinder engine weigh that much more than the Porsche's 6-cylinder engine? Is the Cayman all carbonfibre and magnesium alloy?
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Larger car equals larger weight is what im saying.
Does it's 6-cylinder engine weigh that much more than the Porsche's 6-cylinder engine? Is the Cayman all carbonfibre and magnesium alloy?
Chances are at the price range they are made of similar materials, so when you have a car with significantly wider profile with wider wheels its common sense.
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Hilarious
Multiplying length by width, the F-Type is 9% bigger than the Cayman and 1% bigger than the Turbo.
Yet the F-Type is 27% heavier than a Cayman and 8% heavier than the Turbo
Ignoring the Cayman (which I think Jag must wish didn't exist as as well as being significantly cheaper, it's clearly a much better car on any subjective measure) and taking the best case comparison for the F-Type (a middling 2WD Carrera would show up the F-Type's silly weight even more clearly)...
The 991 Turbo is a 2+2, has loads of luggage room, is 4WD, has wider wheels and tyres, has at least similar equipment levels, is marginally (1%) smaller, yet weighs 8% less.
Not trying to labour the point here, but the F-Type is just plain fat. And making it 4WD will make it even fatter.
On their optional 20's, yes...
Cayman 235/265
F-Type 255/295
But the Turbo wears 245/305's, so that argument doesn't hold water.
Multiplying length by width, the F-Type is 9% bigger than the Cayman and 1% bigger than the Turbo.
Yet the F-Type is 27% heavier than a Cayman and 8% heavier than the Turbo
Ignoring the Cayman (which I think Jag must wish didn't exist as as well as being significantly cheaper, it's clearly a much better car on any subjective measure) and taking the best case comparison for the F-Type (a middling 2WD Carrera would show up the F-Type's silly weight even more clearly)...
The 991 Turbo is a 2+2, has loads of luggage room, is 4WD, has wider wheels and tyres, has at least similar equipment levels, is marginally (1%) smaller, yet weighs 8% less.
Not trying to labour the point here, but the F-Type is just plain fat. And making it 4WD will make it even fatter.
On their optional 20's, yes...
Cayman 235/265
F-Type 255/295
But the Turbo wears 245/305's, so that argument doesn't hold water.
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Porsche Cayman/911 buyers want a car to use everyday, track or taking their kids to school.
F-Type drivers want a thrill when they go for a Sunday drive in their Jaguar.
The cars aren't targeting the same audience, as said, so, as said, it has a more natural comparison to cars in the old XK's class rather than cars in the 911s class.
To many customers, size, weight and measurements are their last worry to them. The noise, looks and experience is worth it's weight in gold.
F-Type drivers want a thrill when they go for a Sunday drive in their Jaguar.
The cars aren't targeting the same audience, as said, so, as said, it has a more natural comparison to cars in the old XK's class rather than cars in the 911s class.
To many customers, size, weight and measurements are their last worry to them. The noise, looks and experience is worth it's weight in gold.
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Which is fine... not everyone wants the same thing.
But why does it weigh so much? It could be all those things, weigh 1,400kg, and be all the better for it.
And why would anyone want a 4WD F-Type that weighed 1,850kg? That's the weight of a large saloon car (5er/E Class), not a 2 seater.
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Maybe I'm strange, but if I had 70 grand to spend on a new car I'd immediately test drive a Cayman GTS and Jaguar F-Type S. I would imagine that a lot of people cross shop them.
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Comparing Cayman to F-Type is like comparing McLaren 12C to Aston Martin Vanquish. It's about what the buyer wants instead of which is better car. I'm going to use the words one Finnish car reviewer used: The F-Type isn't an option for person who wants something like a 911 it's a car for someone who wants to have something different than a 911.
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I'd cross shop a 12C and a Vanquish, too . They're different, but they're both very good and very charismatic and the only way I could choose would be by driving them. I have a feeling that I'd come away loving one and feeling disappointed with the other.
. They're different, but they're both very good and very charismatic and the only way I could choose would be by driving them. I have a feeling that I'd come away loving one and feeling disappointed with the other.
