Koenigsegg CCX: Fastest Car on Top Gear (Vid Included)

[Dave A]

So koenigseggers engineers werent clever enough in the first place to see how a ccx would work with some downforce

It would have made common sense to me to make a ccx with and without a rear wing to see how the cars behave.

Not really, they simply wanted the CCX to go as fast as possible in top speed, since it can't go as fast as the Veyron, the top speed has become pretty much irrelevent to them, so now they want the CCX to beat the Enzo and Zonda F at the race track, so it's simply a change of plan rather than an initial oversight.

Onikaze, regagardin underbody aerodynamics, they'd slow the car down as well, so it wouldn't have been used since it would have sealed the car's speed well under what they were trying to achieve, now with the change in plan, adding underbody aerodynamics over a rear wing would take a lot more time, effort and money since the car wasn't initialy design with them in mind.

 

[the Interceptor]

Not really, they simply wanted the CCX to go as fast as possible in top speed, since it can't go as fast as the Veyron, the top speed has become pretty much irrelevent to them, so now they want the CCX to beat the Enzo and Zonda F at the race track, so it's simply a change of plan rather than an initial oversight.

And that is my point exactly. The CCX was made to be as fast as possible in a straight line, so they didn't care how it would behave in the corners. Cars like the Enzo and the Carrera GT were build to be fast everywhere from ground up, the Veyron is somewhere inbetween.
I don't like the CCX very much for the reason that it was engineered to be a weapon only made to kill its target = reach the highest topspeed ever. The other ones were made to be a good car, and I like them for being that. With that in mind, it annoys me how people wait to see a new supercar like the CCX and immediately say that it is so much better than the Veyron just because its there.

Regards
the Interceptor

 

[Dave A]

The CCX doesn't have worse cornering ability than the rest of the CC's. It's just got too much power to come out of corners fast, the downforce they're adding isn't needed to make the turn in sharp, otherwise they'd be fitting a bigger splitter, it's to push the rear tyre's onto the ground harder to reduce the wheelspin as the power is applied, thus increasing corner exit speed's.

 

[Poverty]

Not really, they simply wanted the CCX to go as fast as possible in top speed, since it can't go as fast as the Veyron, the top speed has become pretty much irrelevent to them, so now they want the CCX to beat the Enzo and Zonda F at the race track, so it's simply a change of plan rather than an initial oversight.

So they aimed for the veyron but failed, but whilst designing it, it should have crossed theyre mind that they might not achieve its goal, and seeing as it came out after the veyron, they should have developed it with a wing and without if they really wanted to.

 

[Ram-Rod]

Holy Toledo!

 

[Dave A]

So they aimed for the veyron but failed, but whilst designing it, it should have crossed theyre mind that they might not achieve its goal, and seeing as it came out after the veyron, they should have developed it with a wing and without if they really wanted to.

That's what they are doing, the CCX isn't in publichands yet, it's still being developed. Besides like I said, the car isn't any less capable round corners than the rest of the range.

 

[HACKr]

Km/h. Or else Famine'll come in and kill you, apparently that's how one of the mods died.
Famine:*Kills all the people saying KPH*
Other guy: ''Is this only the people above, or is it stil in effect? Test:KPH:Test. Hey, whats that knife--aaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhh........

Ok, going way back and offtopic, Famine doesn't kill people, he makes Jack Bauer do it for him.

 

[Rogue Ssv]

I can take him. Hell, I AM Jack Bauer.

 

[HACKr]

Hmm...
But can it keep up with... THIS?????

 

[Rogue Ssv]

I bet it could.

 

[amp88]

^^^ I was thinking the same thing when the folks at 'Egg said they were going to put a wing on the back. Even if the top speed drops by only a few MPH, it would still be the world's second fastest car, and it would increase the "safety" of the car signifigantly. Hopefully they do something tasteful, I don't want to see a 30ft spoiler on it like someone would do with their Honda Civic... Ewwww...

I dunno about that, you've got the McLaren F1 at 240mph. If they add a wing that creates and kind of downforce they're not just going to lost 5mph.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Back on topic.

Excessive downforce doesn't slow a car down by a few miles - instead quite a lot.

 

[Rogue Ssv]

Which is why I would use one of those newfangled mechanical wings that can pop up or lie flat...downforce when you need it, airbrake when itll help, aerodynamics when you want it....

 

[GT4_Rule]

It will carry a weight penalty, however small though. And its expensive too.

 

[Rogue Ssv]

So? Its gonna be used on a $250k plus car, whats a few extra g's? Anyway, we can make the rims out of carbon fiber, again whats a few extra gs?

 

[GT4_Rule]

But I'm sure Koenigsegg engineers have tried most, if not every possible, weight saving options that is actually effective without costing a fortune, and keeps the car street legal/safe/reliable.

 

[Rogue Ssv]

Hmm, good point. Well Id rather have a Zonda F, freakn' awsome those are. Anyway, who needs a wing? cant they make one of those things with fans on the bottom like those crazy old Chapparals?
Hmm, I really dunno what else to do

 

[McLaren]

Which is why I would use one of those newfangled mechanical wings that can pop up or lie flat...downforce when you need it, airbrake when itll help, aerodynamics when you want it....

Yes, but the most successful has been the Veyron because even if the spoiler does carry a weight penalty, the Veyron had a lot to begin with.

 

[Dave A]

I dunno about that, you've got the McLaren F1 at 240mph. If they add a wing that creates and kind of downforce they're not just going to lost 5mph.

This is spot on, if your adding a wing to produce signifact increases in downforce, the top speed will drop dramatically, take the McLaren F1, the standard F1 hit a top speed in the mid 230mph range, the F1 with the GT pack which includes more downforce front and rear top's out around 220mph. That's around a 15mph difference, the higher the speed involved the bigger the impact that wing will have and the bigger the difference in top speed will be.

 

[Dave A]

This is spot on, if your adding a wing to produce signifact increases in downforce, the top speed will drop dramatically, take the McLaren F1, the standard F1 hit a top speed in the mid 230mph range, the F1 with the GT pack which includes more downforce front and rear top's out around 220mph. That's around a 15mph difference, the higher the speed involved the bigger the impact that wing will have and the bigger the difference in top speed will be.

Which is why I would use one of those newfangled mechanical wings that can pop up or lie flat...downforce when you need it, airbrake when itll help, aerodynamics when you want it....

Two reasons not to, weight and development costs, like McLaren jsut said, the car's that have wings that lift up for braking or high speed downforce tend to be more on the Grand tourer type of car like the SLR and Veyron where the weight is less of an issue, on a stripped out road racer you won't want something like that on the car.

 

[Poverty]

the CGT has it.

 

[Dave A]

Yeah, and the Carrera GT is a couple of hundered kg's almost heavier than the CCX. Do you think if they wanted the car as light as possible they would have have used a mechanical wing? No. The Carrera GT would have probably benefitted from a fixed wing, it would have saved a lot of weight abd wouldn't have affected the top speed. Porsche put it there because Porsche are technical pioneer's, or they see themselves like that, they like advanced techincal bit's on their car's etc and also the cost of develpoing that wing is far less of a hit to them than to a specialist manufacturer like Pagani or Koenigsegg etc.

 

[Poverty]

I dont think money is an issue when it comes to a mechanical rear wing, initial design is.

 

[Dave A]

The cost of developing a design to integrate one is where the money comes in, so yeah it does factor a lot on design as well.

 

[YSSMAN]

I dunno about that, you've got the McLaren F1 at 240mph. If they add a wing that creates and kind of downforce they're not just going to lost 5mph.

...I'm sorry, I meant to say "one of the world's fastest cars"...

If the CCR was stable at 243 MPH, I don't see how they couldnt figure out how to match that by adding a small spoiler to the back of a more powerful and aerodynamic car.

 

[Dave A]

Being stable at 240+mph isn't the problem, it's coming out of corners faster than a Ferrari Enzo that is. With the wing, Koenigsegg can make the car exit corners faster than an Enzo, Zonda F or MC12, the result of which is going to be faster track performnce than any of thoes sicne it already beats them all in acceleration. The car isn't on the streets yet, it's still in development, they gave what was potentially a final development car to TopGear to test out and the conclusion was, it would be a better car if it could come out of the corners faster even if it meant losing that top speed, so that's what they're doing, giving it lot's or downforce over the rear wheels and beating the Enzo, Zonda F and MC12 at thier game.

 

[Poverty]

Theyre gonna have to tweak suspension now aswell. Im not sure if it would beat a FFX though.

 

[Dave A]

They probably won't have to, but even still, changing the suspension stiffness is hardly a big job, 1 day testing with the car coming ni for a slight adjustment every few lap's and then at the end of the day set it where it was best. Besides that it's so easy on a Koenigsegg to change the suspension stiffness (we're not talking chanignes in the actual suspension it's self, none of that would be needed), even owners are encouraged to do it, change it stiffer on a track then soften it for the trip home. And no, it wouldn't beat the FXX, the FXX is a race car that run's on slick tyre's, I don't think ay road car's would beat the FXX, the FXX would probably lap the TopGear track 10 seconds faster than the Enzo.

 

[Onikaze]

I'd add a bit more to that 10 seconds.

It shaves a couple hundred pounds, adds a couple hundred horsepower, has slicks, and huge aero improvements over the already impressive aerodynamics of the Enzo.

The FXX definitely doesn't count for stuff like this, as noone can actually "buy" the car, you just buy the rights to use it at your, and Ferrari's leisure.

 

[Dave A]

I'm thinking it's not quite going to corner as well as a GTS car, but it might go a little bit faster down the straights, the Aston Martin DBR9 ran the track in 1'08 (also the Renault F1 car lappe the track almost 10 secodns faster again doing a lap in '59) if I remember correctley which is around 10 seconds faster than the current lap record holder, the Zonda F and around 11 seconds faster than the Enzo, I don't think the FXX would be much different to that, maybe slightly quicker or slightly slower, but nothing dramatcally different to the DBR9's time.