Mid May and not even a hint of an update?

[Samus]

We'll just have to wait and see.

We, the die hard fans will wait. Other people who don't know what this website is and don't follow general gaming websites will not. They will just start to assume the game is finished and once they're done with it, move on. Even if they do keep up on the gaming websites do you think people are going to re-install the game because they added three new offline races, 5 cars?

The whole definition of a live service game is to feed content over a period of time to keep people playing and biting on your revenue stream. In this case since the updates for GT are free the only revenue stream is MTs. People can't buy MTs if they're not playing the game.

If you tell people in-game what is coming and when they're far more likely to stick around, or at least keep the game installed. "Oh, they're adding X in July. I'll definitely come back then, sounds great" vs "Well, no sign of any updates in future, I'll uninstall and play other games".

At the moment I'd say it's not a live service game at all. Sony and Polyphony can call it whatever they like, but that doesn't change what it is. It's a game with very restrictive always online DRM that has had some post-launch bug fixes and one very minor content drop in two months.

It'll be a live service game when they figure out that while being always online might fulfill the "live" part of that label, there really needs to be some "service" in there as well. People bang on about Polyphony being a Japanese developer, but Japan is also famous for it's service culture. You can bet they know what good service looks like, and this ain't it.

I've never played it but I believe FFXIV is a good example of a Japanese developer doing it well.

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Plus of course the game itself has plenty of community events running, most inside the game, some outside of it. Always something new to keep people interested and doing something new.

Oh and you know, just a 5 HOUR video from the producer explaining the near future of the game.



..and it doesn't seem to be a one off




To say PD have got a lot of catching up to do would be an understatement

 

[Imari]

I've never played it but I believe FFXIV is a good example of a Japanese developer doing it well.

There's plenty of Japanese devs that do live service just fine.

I do play FFXIV, and YoshiP is a ****ing treasure. He took a trash fire and turned it into the best MMO in the world, and did it in a way that kept the players on board. He doesn't always get everything right, but he's always willing to explain exactly what he's doing and why he thinks it's best for the game. 10/10, just take all my money.

 

[Tenacious D]

People are spending more time defending this game that playing it

You mean attacking.

There is a reason to be optimistic about the future if GT Sport is anything to go by but why do we have to wait for things that should've been in the game from the start?

I suspect you skimmed my post...

 

[Voodoovaj]

There's plenty of Japanese devs that do live service just fine.

100%

The key to a good live service is a focus on supporting a community for a long term strategy of building and nurturing your community. Community is what evangelizes your product. They get others to buy in, or continue to buy in.

Lots of publishers/dev teams do this well.

PD isn't one of them (anymore?). The current wisdom at Sony is to drive everyone to buy credits and burn all bridges.

 

[Pizzicato1985]

I think it's a dead game. Well, a dying game, it's not totally dead but is in critical condition. Of the dozen or so PSN friends I have that play the game only one has been in the game in the last week, but all of them bought at launch and played the first month. The ones that like online racing have gone back to Sport.

It's pretty much just GT Sport with a few different cars, and about 70% less offline content. I honestly think PD have looked at the numbers, realized 80-90% of the player base at launch has vanished and they're just done with the game for the most part. Sure, they'll add a little bit here and there, but those that were thinking the game would end with 100-150 cars added over it's lifecycle are going to be sorely disappointed... Haven't even had a hotfix for bugs in three weeks, lol. I really wish the game was on Steam so we could see the metrics because I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that concurrent players are down 80-90%

 

[Ande3200]

It also doesn't mean that's a good way to run a live service game.

We know we're getting content, nobody has disputed that - what's annoying is the complete radio silence.
Radio silence might have worked in 2004, but in 2004 they also had a tendency to release finished games.

I never said i like silence, i would like to know more earlier on, but to think thats their is no update this month just becouse they have not said anything is wrong, pd just give hints a few days before they drop new cars, and its still 16 days left of may, their Will be an update but what cars it will include other than the confirmed toyota nobody knows yet, hopefully its more than 3 cars but don’t expect more than 5 cars to no get too dissapointed,i am also intrested that they make changes so we can finally earn exclusive parts easier, right now its almost like trying to win in lottery

 

[05XR8]

I can remember Forz used to drop hints or clues about what cars were com8ng. Probably not in Kaz’ sense of humour to do a similar thing. However, saying we can expect two awards cars, one off-road car and three new style race cars, plus the silhouettes, when it gets close to the update, wouldn’t do the game a disservice.

 

[Corins]

one thing is certain, the update will be before June 5th

 

[BrunusCL82]

PD urgently needs to assemble a team with developers in Europe, a second team, with former members of studios specializing in racing games, digitization of circuits and cars, to offer a new vision of the world of work. The people who worked or work at Kunos, Milestone, Evolution, Sector3, Sligthy Mad and Codemasters would bring a oxygenation to the pace of work. It would be a nice salad to see the Japaneses and Europeans together, both would complement each other. GT games need more content and Tourist Trophy 2 needs to arrive someday.

 

[Matt atkins]

PD urgently needs to assemble a team of developers in Europe, a second team, with former members of studios specializing in racing games, digitization of circuits and cars, to offer a new worldview of work, like the folks, Milestone, Evolution, Sector3, Sligthy Mad and Codemasters. GT games need more content and Tourist Trophy 2 needs to come out today.

What date usually does the update in the month if there is going to be one

 

[Voodoovaj]

It's pretty much just GT Sport with a few different cars, and about 70% less offline content.

GT Sport added the DR and SR system, which may seem trivial, but it gave the game a true focus. It was an advancement to the game.

GT7 has given us no true advancement.

I honestly think PD have looked at the numbers, realized 80-90% of the player base at launch has vanished and they're just done with the game for the most part.

I think you are half right.

I believe PD (whichever person makes decisions) is seeing the backlash and answering tough questions. The fall off in participation seems more stark than ever before.

II don't think it's dead, but all is not well

 

[BrunusCL82]

What date usually does the update in the month if there is going to be one

PD does not usually work with certain dates. If I'm not mistaken, with reference to what she did in GT Sport, the last week of the month was usually when the update took place.

 

[Matt atkins]

PD does not usually work with certain dates. If I'm not mistaken, with reference to what she did in GT Sport, the last week of the month was usually when the update took place.

Okay

 

[rmac923]

If I had to guess, announcement this week with a release next week. The GR010 needs to drop soon.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

What date usually does the update in the month if there is going to be one

Looking at GT Sport, last week of the month is popular.

Gran Turismo Sport/Updates

There have been thirty content updates released for Gran Turismo Sport since November 2017, along with some minor/quality-of-life patches (usually released after a major content update). They are detailed below: November 27, 2017 (1.06)GT Sport received its first major update with 3 new cars...

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It took a while for GT Sport to get going with updates. It took 10 weeks before GT League appeared and over 14 weeks before the first new track (Monza) was added together with extra layouts (actual new layouts) for Magiore.

GT7 is now 10 weeks old. We've had a new pit lane so far and a couple cars. GT7 still has potential to get into GT Sport's release schedule which is the one hope I have left for the game.

However fixing sport mode and lobbies, improving the AI and adding more features to custom races should be a priority. That's where the 'ever green' content is at. A couple new one time payout missions a month is not going to cut it.

 

[kilesa4568]

PD urgently needs to assemble a team of developers in Europe, a second team, with former members of studios specializing in racing games, digitization of circuits and cars, to offer a new worldview of work, like the folks, Milestone, Evolution, Sector3, Sligthy Mad and Codemasters. GT games need more content and Tourist Trophy 2 needs to come someday.

They should just ask the people buying their games. We're the ones who tell the deaf ears what's wrong.

From everything I've read and heard, everything went downhill after 3 and 4 so they know what people want. They're fixing what wasn't broken.

 

[Pizzicato1985]

GT Sport added the DR and SR system, which may seem trivial, but it gave the game a true focus. It was an advancement to the game.

GT7 has given us no true advancement.

And it had the performance bonus! That one feature kept me playing the game months longer than I would have without it. Giving us an incentive to use sub-optimal cars for a race and paying more out the lower the performance of the car used was brilliant!

We have a collector level that doesn't even work, lol. It maxed at lvl50 at around 60-65k points, I'm at 240,000 now... I kept thinking they were going to finish that feature and add some proper milestone rewards (ie exclusive cars, etc) but it has yet to happen. How the performance bonus, as well as SR/DR, didn't make the jump to GT7 is beyond me...

Well, I know why performance bonus was dropped, it was to keep payouts low to push MTX's, but if you don't have any casual players sticking around (which have always been the majority of the players and the ones that have seemingly bailed on GT7) you're not going to sell said MTX's anyway. Just baffling decisions at a every turn with this game...

 

[Sarajevo89]

If a game dies, it needn’t mean it’s dead forever. We have examples of great game resurrections like aforementioned FF XIV. In my opinion there is no way out of this game for PD, this is it, the hill they need to die on. If this game dies, franchise dies. But we have more than enough evidence by now that this studio is just not capable of anything better and I’m sure someone more informed can tell me why, I can only speculate.

 

[Voodoovaj]

And it had the performance bonus! That one feature kept me playing the game months longer than I would have without it. Giving us an incentive to use sub-optimal cars for a race and paying more out the lower the performance of the car used was brilliant!

It was a great feature. It kept me somewhat interested in single player.

But, sadly, full focus on getting us to buy credits.... Screw making a good game.

We have a collector level that doesn't even work, lol. It maxed at lvl50 at around 60-65k points, I'm at 240,000 now... I kept thinking they were going to finish that feature and add some proper milestone rewards (ie exclusive cars, etc) but it has yet to happen. How the performance bonus, as well as SR/DR, didn't make the jump to GT7 is beyond me..

Sr/Dr has, but the payout is so miserable in Sport Mode that it's almost an insult. Not to mention that renting cars makes ownership pointless, even counter productive.

Well, I know why performance bonus was dropped, it was to keep payouts low to push MTX's, but if you don't have any casual players sticking around (which have always been the majority of the players and the ones that have seemingly bailed on GT7) you're not going to sell said MTX's anyway. Just baffling decisions at a every turn with this game...

It's a ship without a captain, or, at best, the captain doesn't care if the ship runs aground.

Anyone else would have been fired, but I guess keeping up appearances is more important to Sony.

The bridges are burned. Maybe they will release a spec 2.0 like they did with GT5. Heck, given how little effort was put into this game, they could just release a GT8 by Christmas 🎅🎄🤣

 

[Tetraturbo]

Oh don't worry, they're probably working hard on some new Music Replay features and adding more 90's econoboxes instead of post-2020 sports cars and race cars

 

[dacc10]

The fact that the last update was so underwhelming, doesn't help at all to make the wait easier for the next.

 

[CBH]

If a game dies, it needn’t mean it’s dead forever. We have examples of great game resurrections like aforementioned FF XIV. In my opinion there is no way out of this game for PD, this is it, the hill they need to die on. If this game dies, franchise dies. But we have more than enough evidence by now that this studio is just not capable of anything better and I’m sure someone more informed can tell me why, I can only speculate.

PD has already entered into a hole in the ground and it's called a grave, because this is the worst game ever game from PD. A real driving simulator game should not have garbage in it, and it should be about racing and racing only. This is nowhere near a numbered game from the series, because we get garbage in the game like Music rally, Menu Book and Collecting cars. Collecting cars in a racing game is BS and they should be available to buy at the dealership, Music Rally is a waste of time and the Menu Book is a silly idea to have.

So I think it's really time for Kaz to go a rehab centre for a while so he can get all the help he needs, so he can get better and to go back and make traditional type numbered game again, rather than adding crap in GT7 that means nothing to a racing game.

 

[AmyUD06]

Oh don't worry, they're probably working hard on some new Music Replay features and adding more 90's econoboxes instead of post-2020 sports cars and race cars

I'll gladly take those "90s econoboxes" over modern "sports" cars that are full of automatic transmissions, ridiculous driver aids, and styling done by a 12 year old. As someone whose profile photo is late-'90s V70R, I figured you would feel the same.

 

[John_Marsten]

Its such a shame to see what was once the king of driving/racing sims turn out like this.

I was so hyped for this game in the weeks leading up to its release, and watching that 30 minute state of play video had me feeling like a kid before Christmas. I guess I just pictured the traditional GT mode coming back with a plethora of races and championships.

some things that I feel that they have got right are:

• My cars that I have bought feel like MY cars. My R32 GT-R is mine. There are many like it, but this one is mine. I like that.
• The driving feels awesome with a wheel. Its not as detailed as the PC sims, but it still feel good and fun at its core (except drifting).
• The main menu is very pretty.

Aside from that there are a few little things, but the many annoyances with this game have made it hard to enjoy like the older titles. I don't really mind the grind either. GT has always been about the grind, but in previous titles there were many different ways to do it. In GT7 its either Spa 1hour, LeMans 30min, Sardegna 30min, Tomahawk, or the last 2 championships. Even the single 1 off races in the world circuits tend to get boring because they have too many car type restrictions. I want to be able to enjoy all of my cars on all of the tracks in races that have been made up by PD. 1 4WD Japanese 2 lap race on Bathurst just aint gonna cut it i'm afraid.

It just seems like this game is right on the edge of being a great GT again, all it needs is WAY more events and championships that cover the entire roster of cars.

Some quality of life improvements would also be very welcome such as the menu navigation, but if the core of the game was there in a proper GT mode, then I could live with the quirkiness of PDs design choices.

 

[Tetraturbo]

I'll gladly take those "90s econoboxes" over modern "sports" cars that are full of automatic transmissions, ridiculous driver aids, and styling done by a 12 year old. As someone whose profile photo is late-'90s V70R, I figured you would feel the same.

Not all modern sports cars are like that, there's still plenty of cool modern cars out there that PD just simply bats a blind eye like the new Emira, M2, Cayman GT4RS, Mustang Mach 1 and so on... There's nothing wrong with adding new cars

Edit: Now I do wanna mention that I am still grateful with the new content that PD is gonna create as long as the post-launch support goes, but I feel like they shouldn't be adding so many cars seen in previous installments, but rather newer cars to the game.

 

[Lux Klonoa]

they're probably working hard on some new Music Replay features

With all due respect, am I the only one here who doesn't mind the Music Replay and Music Rally stuff? I actually want them to add more songs to them. =/

 

[Imari]

With all due respect, am I the only one here who doesn't mind the Music Replay and Music Rally stuff? I actually want them to add more songs to them. =/

I'm baffled that Music Rally is so limited. You should be able to pick any track, any car, any song and just go for it. There should be an infinite playlist mode so that you can just keep going through lots of songs. There should be an infinite track mode so that you do one lap of a track and then at the start/finish line there's a portal that runs you straight onto the next track. There should be a mode where the music keeps getting faster and faster until you run out of time. There should be an online knockout mode. There should be challenges with extra obstacles on the track, or car swapping, or stop/start zones.

There's so many things you can do with the idea, and they did the bare minimum. It's sad to see a new(ish) idea and the developers don't even try to explore the interesting and fun things that could be done with it.

 

[Techlet]

I still don't get the point of the music in the music rally.

You're not driving to the beat. There's no finese to any of it. It's just a time trial with checkpoints.

 

[ScottPuss20]

GT5 and 6 did the live service thing better than what GT7 is doing right now, which is a bit of shame to be honest.

 

[Draggon]

I want to be able to enjoy all of my cars on all of the tracks in races that have been made up by PD. 1 4WD Japanese 2 lap race on Bathurst just ain't gonna cut it i'm afraid.

I was thinking this same thing tonite when driving my '14 Vette. 😡