Mid May and not even a hint of an update?

A big test for GT7 will be the BMW M4 GT3. It’s available on almost every PC sim available, so I doubt “licensing issues” will be concern. It’ll be an interesting benchmark to see how long it takes for a brand new car to get added.
 
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There's gonna be an update the last week of May, probably with a new track if history is to be believed. People seem to have forgotten how it worked with Sport.
No, we remember. We're just saying it would keep far more people interested if they gave us a long term road map so we actually know when things are coming, not just making assumptions based an the past and loving in hope.
 
No, we remember. We're just saying it would keep far more people interested if they gave us a long term road map so we actually know when things are coming, not just making assumptions based an the past and loving in hope.
I dunno what there would be to gain from a roadmap that isn't there from the list of what to expect from updates they already gave us. They're not gonna reveal which cars are getting added ahead of time so it would just be a calendar with "new cars and course layouts" written every month, it would be cool to know when features like car selling or Sophy are getting added but that's super minor in the grand scheme of things.
 
I dunno what there would be to gain from a roadmap that isn't there from the list of what to expect from updates they already gave us. They're not gonna reveal which cars are getting added ahead of time so it would just be a calendar with "new cars and course layouts" written every month, it would be cool to know when features like car selling or Sophy are getting added but that's super minor in the grand scheme of things.
You’re telling me you would rather hear crickets, instead of PD releasing a schedule over the next 6 months? Not giving away what the content is, but at least letting their players know what date you will get new mystery cars and how many, and new tracks?
 
You’re telling me you would rather hear crickets, instead of PD releasing a schedule over the next 6 months? Not giving away what the content is, but at least letting their players know what date you will get new mystery cars and how many, and new tracks?
I wouldn't say no to it obviously, but also I don't see it as a big deal at all. If it's the first week of June and we haven't heard anything about the update then yeah, I'll get ansty. But so far I think they've earned some trust with how they handled Sport's updates.
 
I dunno what there would be to gain from a roadmap that isn't there from the list of what to expect from updates they already gave us. They're not gonna reveal which cars are getting added ahead of time so it would just be a calendar with "new cars and course layouts" written every month, it would be cool to know when features like car selling or Sophy are getting added but that's super minor in the grand scheme of things.
New cars and course layouts.....maybe. that's the point, you or I don't know for sure what is coming, some months might have a track, some won't. How many do they plan to add in the next 6 months? 6? 3?

What about events, is there going to be a month where they add 20, or 3, or 10?

Give people a solid outlook of what to expect and when. Right now all we are doing is making assumptions based on the past, that's not exciting, and it can also lead to disappointment when they dont mirror the past. That is avoided if people don't expect or hope for a new track this month if we already had a roadmap telling us new tracks would come in June, August and September, or whatever.

They dont even need to be that precise. Example of another Dev
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Patience is a virtue my friend. They're working really hard to bring new music rally. They figured it's what we really crave.

(why do you think it deserves its own button instead of being on the "map"? It's the future of GT)
I played that once at the start because I had to and I haven’t played it once since then. They could delete it for all I care. The music is just meh in this game anyway. I shut it off.

Are PD actively trying to send GT7 to an early grave? I mean come on, they did the April "goodwill" updates after the uproar regarding the games economy and macrotransactions. Not that they really bought much in terms of re-playable content.

How hard is it for them to add more single player races to the "most complete GT game to date"? This games as a service BS is not enjoyable at all. Being drip fed cut content with zero communication from the devs. Where is the classic GT Mode? not this cafe garbage that throws cars at you like forza horizon.

Nothing has changed with PD. I got burned by 5, waited till long after sports release date to purchase it, then ate up all the marketing crap that we were sold on 7 and got burned again.
Still waiting for the promised “can sell used cars by the end of April” update. Pretty disappointing.
 
"Because they didn't tell us anything in GTS" is not a valid excuse for PD staying silent on content plans for a live service game.

They need to do better. GT7 doesn't exist in a vacuum, least they could do is match what other devs in the genre have been doing for years now.
 
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It must have been an article I read because I specifically remember something about being able to sell used cars by the end of April.
"Near term updates" at the bottom.

 
There's gonna be an update the last week of May, probably with a new track if history is to be believed. People seem to have forgotten how it worked with Sport.
It's not that people have forgotten. They'd just like Polyphony to be straight up and tell them instead of having to play silly guessing games.
I dunno what there would be to gain from a roadmap that isn't there from the list of what to expect from updates they already gave us. They're not gonna reveal which cars are getting added ahead of time so it would just be a calendar with "new cars and course layouts" written every month, it would be cool to know when features like car selling or Sophy are getting added but that's super minor in the grand scheme of things.
Sounds fine. If they want to explicitly say that they'll be adding 3 cars and 1 course layout per month, and a new course on even numbered months then that's fine. Maybe you don't think that's valuable information, but for some people it would really raise their confidence in the game at the cost of very little effort on the part of Polyphony.
But so far I think they've earned some trust with how they handled Sport's updates.
And I think they lost it again with how they handled the launch of GT7 and the implementation of microtransactions. But this doesn't need to be about trust, this is a commercial product. People paid money. Just tell us.

This isn't a big deal. If Sony told Polyphony they had to publish a 6 month roadmap tomorrow, that should be less than half a day's work for one person. For a bunch of goodwill from your players. Plus free marketing when it inevitably does the rounds of the news sites. Why would you not do that?

There are reasons why you would not do that, but none of them are good.
 
Even the most predatory live service games need to establish good communication to keep the players engaged and the microtransactions flowing.

Can't drain your players' wallets dry with a dead game.
 
When I bought the game, it never crossed my mind that I'd have to wait years for everything I've paid upfront for to arrive. For Christ's sake! I'll be nearly 60 by the time it happens!

I'm happy playing other PS4 games till it gets sorted and fleshed out but this will definitely be the last time I buy a live service game. Especially one like GT7 that arrives in an anaemic and broken state out of the box.

The lion's share of my driving will be done on the PC from now on anyway. Mainly because my wheel is better supported and less compromised like it is in console gaming and it took GT7 for me that to dawn on me. Something to be grateful for.
GT7 got me to buy a Series X to play Forza 7 (and 8 when it arrives).

It has a real campaign, 24 cars on track, a wealth of customization options to set up your own races (including multi-class, special victory conditions, setting the behavior for each car) and rain at Brand's Hatch! I still prefer the driving model of GT, but Forza 7 is a racing game, GT7 is not. The AI isn't out to kill you in Forza, acknowledges you on the track and is set not to be dirty by default. (you have to enable AI blocking and side swiping if you like that sort of thing) It also has 7 difficulty levels or so.

My GT7 play time is now just the daily ticket, maybe one day an engine will appear, although with each day passing I ask myself why bother... Mainly I'm waiting for the LCD to serve up the cars again I want to race (against) in custom races. But maybe I'm better off doing that in Forza with more sensible AI, more cars on track and more options for setting up races :/ Wet weather dynamics are better in GT7 though, but that's about it.

Anyway, enjoying Forza 7's campaign a lot more already than the cafe fluff.
 
Millions of people aren't going to keep coming back to the game to play a piddly two or three new races a month against the AI and the same three races against real people online for a week.
"Millions of people" usually don't come back to play any game after any given timespan. Fallout 4 and Gran Turismo games are rare exceptions, where hundreds of thousands of gamers will keep coming back to replay a game within the first year which is basically a rerun for them at that point. Fallout has the benefit of mods to keep it fresh, but mods can only spruce up an already played game so much, so clearly it has a solid foundation. And it helped that the sequel wasn't what fans were expecting, and was rather sucky to boot. Last summer, FO4 was way up in the top played games on Steam, like 50-ish, but a killer mod had come out for it. Gran Turismo's claim to fame? I dunno, I guess a lot of people think it's pretty okay or something to go flying round a track over and over.

In spite of you doom-n-gloomers, and bratty tantrumers downvoting one bazillion on Metacritic, I think the future of GT7 looks just fine.
 
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New cars and course layouts.....maybe. that's the point, you or I don't know for sure what is coming, some months might have a track, some won't. How many do they plan to add in the next 6 months? 6? 3?

What about events, is there going to be a month where they add 20, or 3, or 10?

Give people a solid outlook of what to expect and when. Right now all we are doing is making assumptions based on the past, that's not exciting, and it can also lead to disappointment when they dont mirror the past. That is avoided if people don't expect or hope for a new track this month if we already had a roadmap telling us new tracks would come in June, August and September, or whatever.

They dont even need to be that precise. Example of another Dev
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It's not like roadmaps are a new thing
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It had a rocky start but managed to follow the roadmap and go beyond. Dunno if DriveClub was the first (non mmo) live service game but at least it predates the term.

GT Sport's release schedule doesn't really put my mind at ease. Sure it was monthly, mostly, but there was little regularity in the actual content added. Every update did add more races to GT league (which was added in the 3rd update). More troubling is the handling of online, penalty system, SR, DR, BoP. All have only gone backwards, missing features, old discarded penalty system, no SR/DR feedback, worse BoP. That with less reliable servers and split between ps4 and ps5.

And look how Asobo handles FS2020
There's plenty to complain about with FS2020 (too fixated on adding more instead of fixing long outstanding bugs) but they do have many ways to communicate with the community. Through the official forums (voting used to determine what gets added to the roadmap), monthly videos with the developers, zendesk to report bugs and request new features.

With PD it seems the only way is to become a superstar, get invited to a closed race event, and try to approach a dev there to make a suggestion...
 
On the contrary, you seem to know. So why don't YOU tell US? 🙌
No, he doesn't know, he hasn't got a clue what is coming in the next update, or the update after that, or the one after that, nor does he have a clue how long it will be before we can sell cars, at what point there will be a meaningful number of new events added etc. That's the problem and that's his point.

Everything is guesswork, and all the while we've been asked by Kaz to be paitient and wait. It wouldn't be hard for PD to comminucate 2 or 3 planned updates ahead of time, they wouldn't even need to commit to fixed dates, just "around May" or "expected June" would suffice.

I'm sure there will be plenty of updates to GT7 over then next 12-24 months, but I'm frustrated at the state the game was at launch and the lack of new events being added 2 months in. If I knew 10 more events were just around the corner it would be far less frustrating, there is no really good reason not to provide players with some form of roadmap, it doesn't have to span years into the future.
 
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Convinced the next major update will include 6 cars and a multitude of events.

We know the Fallon build of the game had more events and 433 cars, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that game has this upcoming build in it.
What will those 6 cars be?
GT7 is a TERRIBLE live service game
I don't know how anybody can disagree with this.
Yes, that the intranets are an irrational mess in this enlightened New Age. :indiff:

People are now arguing that the game is trash because... all kinds of reasons. It's not even as good as iRenting to some folk. That's some apples and sheetmetal comparison. I didn't expect this thread to be all that rational, and I wasn't disappointed.

I know it's almost May 32 with no sign of new content, but there's still the second Tuesday at the end of June.
What I'm saying is hardly irrational. The lack of communication is an issue which cannot be excused in this day and age. We have come a long way from gaming magazines and demo discs.

I think the future of GT7 looks just fine.
There is a reason to be optimistic about the future if GT Sport is anything to go by but why do we have to wait for things that should've been in the game from the start?
 
I don't know how anybody can disagree with this.
At the moment I'd say it's not a live service game at all. Sony and Polyphony can call it whatever they like, but that doesn't change what it is. It's a game with very restrictive always online DRM that has had some post-launch bug fixes and one very minor content drop in two months.

It'll be a live service game when they figure out that while being always online might fulfill the "live" part of that label, there really needs to be some "service" in there as well. People bang on about Polyphony being a Japanese developer, but Japan is also famous for it's service culture. You can bet they know what good service looks like, and this ain't it.
 
We never get any hints from pd until maybe a couble of days before an update, nothing new, it dosen’t mean we won’t get new content, we proably get news by the end of next week,
 
We never get any hints from pd until maybe a couble of days before an update, nothing new, it dosen’t mean we won’t get new content, we proably get news by the end of next week,
It also doesn't mean that's a good way to run a live service game.

We know we're getting content, nobody has disputed that - what's annoying is the complete radio silence.
Radio silence might have worked in 2004, but in 2004 they also had a tendency to release finished games.
 
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