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The only problem is that the United States isn't the world, and most of the NASCAR fans don't play GT. The ones who play GT are mostly fans of F1, Super GT, Le mans, ect ect.
And you know this, how?
So, you're basically basing your knowledge on the amount of engineering in Nascar based upon what people say? Genius.Another thing, I never said that Nascars don't have a lot of engineering that goes into them. What I did say though, was that the amount is a LOT less. Did you ever notice in Nascar when they say "mechanics"? In F1 they refer to them as engineers. Before you put words in my mouth, I'm not saying that Nascar doesn't have engineers, but the entire level of education and professionalism is significantly less. They use a lot of "rule of thumbs" and "on the job training" for their engineers. Not the best way to go when trying to come up with something better.
I also love how you just happened to compare it to the most advanced autosport in the world. Also genius!
Now let's compare it the WTCC or FIA GT3. Are you not a fan of them either, as I'm pretty sure the engineering of Nascar is higher than both of these.
Not my point. You said they were proud to have them in GT because of their history, even if we didn't like them. Why can't the same apply to Nascar just appearing as 2-3, maybe 4 cars?They weren't all the same.
So 1 magazine, and 1 driver's opinion is now the reason we shouldn't see Nascar?Well, for magazines, pick up an issue of "RaceCar Engineering" sometime. Ironic that a magazine about engineering makes fun of NASCAR for being so not technologically advanced when it's apparently so advanced.
One book I know off the top of my head, but slightly older, is "Driving Ambitions" by Alan Jones (his autobiography) . He calls NASCAR "primitive" saying that the teams aren't very professional or organized, and practice sessions basically started off by showing up at a track and saying "lets drive" and that was it.
Btw, we're sorry in America that our races do not consist of the same practice/qualifying were everyone has to show up. Apparently, Mr. Jones fails to realize that we can't wait for 43 race cars to show up before starting practice, cars that are being transported by independent teams, not manufacturers with billions in the bank.
I've seen 2 shirts. That's nothing compared to pro-Nascar clothes that can be found in stores, online, and magazines.I'm sure you've seen the clothes.
Ah, you don't base your opinion on what you hear, you just make ignorant sterotypes.No, that isn't what I meant. Look at the fitness of typical NASCAR drivers, their crew chiefs have an average education of high school and nothing else. Look at their fan base, mainly just a bunch of ignorant beer guzzling rednecks. (please, don't try to make me prove this one, look at the people in the stands at any race) Their cars aren't too advanced so they can relate more to their fans and the "good ole days" ( I've actually heard this numerous times from die-hard NASCAR fans).
But since you have such knowledge on this, please point out the beer guzzling rednecks in this picture.

BTW, rednecks are generally people from the southern US. But, the larger majority of Nascar fans is actually estimated to be in the Northeast.
You just said the main fanbase of Nascar are ignorant, beer-guzzling rednecks, so are you also saying that's how the American way of life is?Listen to the commentators, listen to the reasons some of the drivers give for screwing up, the way they explain problems with the car. Oh yea, did I mention the beer? Nascar represents the American way of life, which is why so many Americans love the sports, because it relates to them in a big way.
Again, you appear to be basing your opinion on word of mouth. But, if their mentality is so poor compared to that of Formula, then why is there a Formula 1 driver in Nascar? Obviously, a man of such professionalism would not be caught in Nascar, a primitive sport that happens to be 1 of the most popular racing series in the world.It's all very unprofessional. I talk in a more technical manner, with (more) proper terminology than most (if not all) of the drivers/mechanics (what they call their engineers)/ crew chiefs, and anyone else involved in the sport. Even their mentality reeks of ignorance.
The same people who wouldn't pick the Daimler Chrysler over the 300Bhp Mazda.Yes thats true. Who said the couldn't run a road course. My question was how many people would actually pick the stockcar over the 2500lb C5R or Viper etc. before perhaps entering an online race at Suzuka Circuit. Im not being biased.., just consider what would you put your money on. Maybe my perception is a bit deeper than others I dont know.
PS: O'yea let me note for the third time to the general; I do not hate NASCAR.