NASCAR (Stock cars, Craftsman trucks, etc.) in GT5?

[Motominded]

I'm not looking to fuel the debate, but this is true in any other form of racing.
The average education level of a Nascar crew chief is high school.
Sorry, but on the job training doesn't make up for engineering. Period.

We all know that the driver always gets the credit but just cause a crew chief in f1 can be a rogue scholar, he is building the car, not driving it.

Again, i look at it as this. Driving at the highest level is difficult no matter road, oval, or rally.

At the end of the day if you are not in the car racing, you have no say. I was at road atlanta 2 weeks ago in my stock sti. It was so much crazier than in Forza 2 cause i was so focused on what i was doing. I can only compare it to drag racing as i have also some drag history. It is harder to do the road racing, margin, mistakes are multipled over the distance of miles over 1/4 mile. But that's just what i can add. I'd love a chance on an oval and a rally to compare as well.

Most of all i want to take a superbike through the esses though. *one day*

 

[Perfect Balance]

We all know that the driver always gets the credit but just cause a crew chief in f1 can be a rogue scholar, he is building the car, not driving it.

Again, i look at it as this. Driving at the highest level is difficult no matter road, oval, or rally.

At the end of the day if you are not in the car racing, you have no say. I was at road atlanta 2 weeks ago in my stock sti. It was so much crazier than in Forza 2 cause i was so focused on what i was doing. I can only compare it to drag racing as i have also some drag history. It is harder to do the road racing, margin, mistakes are multipled over the distance of miles over 1/4 mile. But that's just what i can add. I'd love a chance on an oval and a rally to compare as well.

Most of all i want to take a superbike through the esses though. *one day*

I was never saying that the drivers sucked, but NASCAR is a less technical and "engineer driven" sport. I love great engineering, so the less of it, the worse.

 

[Motominded]

I was never saying that the drivers sucked, but NASCAR is a less technical and "engineer driven" sport. I love great engineering, so the less of it, the worse.

I'm with you on that one. Racing improves the breed and Nascar is opposing that rule.
That's what else i hate about the modern "STOCK CAR" OR "COT"

In the 80's atleast you could buy a carburated, pushrod v8, rwd coupe.

vs todays cars

A Tube chassis, RWD, Carb pushrod v8, Manual 4-speed.

And the "StockCar" its based on.

Unibody, FWD, DOHC FI V6 or I4. And the only manual option is on the base I4 model.

Who is the idiot that believes that makes sense? Anyone remember why the BOSS 429 Mustang was allowed to exist? Cause a certin Torino had that power plant on the race track.

Oh and that crap of complaining about letting a non American manu into Nascar years back.....idiotic as well. Pre 1964, Nascar let other foreign cars compete. Further proving that Nascar is full of the most idiot owners and people of any racing body in the world.

 

[Earth]

I had a really long post typed up but erased it, I'm tired of debating how easy oval racing is in a stock car. I know the truth, and I won't waste anymore time trying to convince others of the truth. So I'll just reply to certain comments.

I did before 2000 when it went mainstream and became more soap opera than racing.

What happened in the year 2000? The worst things I've seen happen to NASCAR is the over abundance of yellow flags and the COT which doesn't resemble road cars, it looks too much like a racecar.

Now THIS is a stock car. I'd rather have a late 90s car like this then a modern COT

who are "they"? Polyphony Digital? Or us diehard racing fans that don't care for nascar?

Not racing fans who don't like NASCAR. I have no problem with them.

"They" are people who make random "NASCRAP" comments just because they don't like it.

I LOVE motorsports so much I cannot dislike any particular discipline. If you're in a vehicle and there is other cars and you have to get somewhere faster then them then I love it. Drivng around in a circle, going straight going upside down I don't care I love competition, the speed, the strategy. I love racing.

I am about as diehard of a racing fan you can get, I watch it all, NASCAR, F1, ALMS, LMS, Indycars, Drag racing. I am able to enjoy the close racing and strategy of NASCAR, the technology and high speeds of F1, the endurance racing and multiple classes in Le Mans, the high speeds of oval racing in Indy Cars as well as the close road course races, the adrenaline, sound and speed of drag racing.

Some may not be as open to all motorsports as I am which I understand, but I find it classless when they try and belittle a discipline of motorsport with childish name calling like 'NASCRAP'.

DON'T DISH RACING! Racing is racing

 

[Motominded]

What happened in the year 2000? The worst things I've seen happen to NASCAR is the over abundance of yellow flags and the COT which doesn't resemble road cars, it looks too much like a racecar.

Racing to the Yellow is stupid and dangerous. If that helps you on my view on "over abundance of yellows" then i wont go on.

Now THIS is a stock car. I'd rather have a late 90s car like this then a modern COT

Im gonna let you explain how that is a STOCK CAR before i chime in.

One more thing. You seem to be letting these "people" get to you. Ill have to admit, i have yet to find someone that is more into motorsport than me. Whether on 2 or 4 wheels. Anyways. I meet allot of ignorant people that just don't get auto racing but it doesn't change my love of it. If you like Nascar, that's cool. I just have personal issues with it.

Let me give you one more example. In Australia, the V8 series is considered their Nascar. But without looking at the road vs oval debate, lets just compare the cars.

Stock Commordore - LS2 with T-56 manual 6 speed

Compared to a real STOCK CAR

Factory bodyshell, production based FI 350 C.I. motor.

 

[Earth]

Racing to the Yellow is stupid and dangerous. If that helps you on my view on "over abundance of yellows" then i wont go on.

I don't understand what you mean.

I was talking about NASCAR throwing the yellow flag for every single piece of debri no matter how far it is away from the racing line. Because of all the complaints they've cut down the practice. It is my belief they only did it to try and make the races closer and more exciting.

Im gonna let you explain how that is a STOCK CAR before i chime in.

I've been following NASCAR since 1991, and in that time none of the cars have been true 'stock cars'. The term 'stock car' has lost it's true meaning in the NASCAR series for some time now in favor for cookie cutter bodies with different shaped noses that resemble their road car counterparts. Maybe you have been following NASCAR when they were closer to their on road counterparts, but not me.

The Dale Jarret Quality Care Ford Taurus is the closest looking thing to the real car it's suppose to be imitating I have seen in my time of watching NASCAR, so it's a "stock car" in my opinion despite the front nose is the only thing that really looks like a Ford Taurus of that time.

Now if you're upset that NASCAR doesn't use the same sized engines and identical bodies as their road going counterparts then OK.

You know this, NASCAR has gone the cookie cutter route in terms of engine, chassis body etc etc to keep the racing close. Otherwise it would get out of control like F1 and you would have 1 or 2 cars dominating each race because of a superior engine or chassis/body.

But if you don't like it then that's fine, it's up to you.

One more thing. You seem to be letting these "people" get to you. Ill have to admit, i have yet to find someone that is more into motorsport than me. Whether on 2 or 4 wheels. Anyways. I meet allot of ignorant people that just don't get auto racing but it doesn't change my love of it. If you like Nascar, that's cool. I just have personal issues with it.

When somebody calls NASCAR NASCRAP or stupid they are indirectly calling me stupid for liking it. That's why I get upset. If you go up to a diehard soccer fan and say "how can you watch something so stupid" or call it "soccer crap" what do you think will be their reaction? I honestly don't like watching soccer, to me it's boring to watch, I'd rather play it, but you don't see me going around bashing it and making uneducated comments about it. Of course when you make an uneducated comment about a sport that someone likes you can really irritate them. I recognize any sport at the highest level takes a massive amount of skill to be the best at.

I am letting them get to me, I ignored comments after comments, but it gets to the point where I just can't stand people making uneducated comments about something they know nothing about. It's like a causual observer of soccer claiming it takes nowhere near the skill of American football when they've never seen a full soccer game in their life or have no true idea of the skill it takes to compete at the highest level of soccer.

I won't make anymore replys to posts that bash NASCAR blindley, it's just not worth trying to fight the fad of NASCAR bashing

 

[Motominded]

I don't understand what you mean.

I was talking about NASCAR throwing the yellow flag for every single piece of debris no matter how far it is away from the racing line. Because of all the complaints they've cut down the practice. It is my belief they only did it to try and make the races closer and more exciting.

i haven't followed the sport too close for some time but i remember when race fans threw garbage on the track because of the races won under yellow. That's part of racing, if you don't get, dont come. Throwing debris on the track makes the fan look low class. Which, sorry but from my experience they usually are. I question Nascar fans on anything technical, they look at me like im an engineer. To add to that, it's worship over driver personality vs skill. That's unacceptable.

I've been following NASCAR since 1991, and in that time none of the cars have been true 'stock cars'. The term 'stock car' has lost it's true meaning in the NASCAR series for some time now in favor for cookie cutter bodies with different shaped noses that resemble their road car counterparts. Maybe you have been following NASCAR when they were closer to their on road counterparts, but not me.

Im 21 years old so i cant say im an old timer. But i can tell you that i have done my homework on the pre 90's days and know more about Pearson, Petty, Yunick, Allison, and Earnhardt, than the any of the young guns of today.

The Dale Jarret Quality Care Ford Taurus is the closest looking thing to the real car it's suppose to be imitating I have seen in my time of watching NASCAR, so it's a "stock car" in my opinion despite the front nose is the only thing that really looks like a Ford Taurus of that time.

Sorry. Correctly placed stickers dont cut it for me. Im surprised you didn't use the nascar fender tops have to line up to the production car excuse.

You know this, NASCAR has gone the cookie cutter route in terms of engine, chassis body etc etc to keep the racing close. Otherwise it would get out of control like F1 and you would have 1 or 2 cars dominating each race because of a superior engine or chassis/body.

But if you don't like it then that's fine, it's up to you.

I feel that a series calling itself "stock car racing" has obligations instead of lies. Close racing? If you havn't noticed, even though the competition as of immediate late in F1 has been torn apart by Ferrari, Hamilton has won and Kubica with Bmw are the third power. Competition between engineering and manufactures is almost as important as driver.

Dont forget how many points seperated the top 3 in the 2007 f1 season.

Face this fact. Many Many Nascar fans haven't a clue about the tech side of Nascar and see a Chevy as just a Chevy. That's not right.

F1 fans sometimes know chassis numbers going back to the 50's. Cars are a big part of racing. That's why i hate 1 make race series.

Last.

When somebody calls NASCAR NASCRAP or stupid they are indirectly calling me stupid for liking it. That's why I get upset. If you go up to a diehard soccer fan and say "how can you watch something so stupid" or call it "soccer crap" what do you think will be their reaction? I honestly don't like watching soccer, to me it's boring to watch, I'd rather play it, but you don't see me going around bashing it and making uneducated comments about it. Of course when you make an uneducated comment about a sport that someone likes you can really irritate them. I recognize any sport at the highest level takes a massive amount of skill to be the best at.

I am letting them get to me, I ignored comments after comments, but it gets to the point where I just can't stand people making uneducated comments about something they know nothing about. It's like a causual observer of soccer claiming it takes nowhere near the skill of American football when they've never seen a full soccer game in their life or have no true idea of the skill it takes to compete at the highest level of soccer.

I won't make anymore replys to posts that bash NASCAR blindley, it's just not worth trying to fight the fad of NASCAR bashing

You gotta understand though. There are those of use that are open minded and we have legit issues with Nascar. There will always be the naysayers. In fact allot of times i have to explain to Nascar fans why road racing makes sense. But i don't sweat it. Allot of ignorant and stupid people make worthless opinions. Sometimes though, someone has a valid point and you really got to think it over. I do when someone does about road racing and you should about Nascar.

 

[mustangGT90210]

Besides, why would one want to do a stock car series when F1, Le Mans, Group C, WRC etc. is available.., just my logic.

And this is why Juan Pablo Montoya is a NASCAR driver now?

Guys, in the end of it all, it doesn't matter what track you race on, what kind of shape it has or even the surface, what matters is that you are racing. NASCAR isn't the most technically advanced sport out there, but who cares, if you don't like it, just don't watch it. There's no reason to bash something I like unless you can present an argument worth hearing. You're not going to find a Crew Chief in NASCAR who couldn't switch to something like F1 with a huge problem, it's only different priorities.

NASCAR is built for Speed. American.
Almost everything else is built for handling. European.

 

[Earth]

i haven't followed the sport too close for some time but i remember when race fans threw garbage on the track because of the races won under yellow. That's part of racing, if you don't get, dont come. Throwing debris on the track makes the fan look low class. Which, sorry but from my experience they usually are. I question Nascar fans on anything technical, they look at me like im an engineer. To add to that, it's worship over driver personality vs skill. That's unacceptable.

How about the Spanish fans using racial slurs vs Lewis Hamilton and the FIA threatening to remove the Spanish GP because of their action? Trashy fans exist everywhere. And for some FYI, only 1/3 of NASCAR tracks are located in the south, not to say those in the south are classless.

Michael Schumacher is the dirtiest driver I've ever seen, so I can see when fans pick personality over skill.

Im 21 years old so i cant say im an old timer. But i can tell you that i have done my homework on the pre 90's days and know more about Pearson, Petty, Yunick, Allison, and Earnhardt, than the any of the young guns of today.

I've seen this before, NASCAR oval racing rocked hard in the olden days but the new racing sucks.

I'm sure there is alot of F1 fans who would love the return to the 80s and early 90s. Sports car fans who want a return to the Group C era. But we are living today, let's deal with what we have today. The last time a NASCAR race consisted of cars driven right off the showroom floor was what, 40, 50 years ago?

Sorry. Correctly placed stickers dont cut it for me. Im surprised you didn't use the nascar fender tops have to line up to the production car excuse.

I wasn't a fan 40 years ago when they used cars straight off the showroom floor to race, so this doesn't bother me. I liked how the cars looked from 1991 until the COT. I've never seen anything else or expected anything else. I became a fan when I saw a very exciting race and started following it ever since then. It didn't bother me the series was called national association for stock car auto racing but the cars weren't stock cars. It bothers you, but for current fans it don't.

You don't like NASCAR because of things like that, which is cool, it's up to you to like what you want.

I feel that a series calling itself "stock car racing" has obligations instead of lies.

It doesn't bother the current fans, allthough the COT has gone too far in my opinion with the spoiler and front splitter that make it look too much like a racecar. If you feel lied to then do what you're doing and don't watch it.

Close racing? If you havn't noticed, even though the competition as of immediate late in F1 has been torn apart by Ferrari, Hamilton has won and Kubica with Bmw are the third power. Competition between engineering and manufactures is almost as important as driver.

Dont forget how many points seperated the top 3 in the 2007 f1 season.

Close racing as in door to door, bumper to bumper and alot of passing throughout the pack. F1 racing is never that close and never will be until they slow the cars down, take out more of the computers and put driving more into the driver's hands, and get off the super twisty tracks that have nearly 0 passing opportunites.

I'm not trying to bash F1, I'm just pointing out flaws in it as you are in NASCAR. I overlook the flaws you find in NASCAR and enjoy it, some allow the flaws to mar their enjoyment, some overlook the flaws of F1 and enjoy it, allthough I have found the 2008 season to be one of the most boring since Schumacher won 90% of the time. Again, it's my opinion that this F1 season has been boring and I may stop watching, but that won't stop diehard fans of the series.

Face this fact. Many Many Nascar fans haven't a clue about the tech side of Nascar and see a Chevy as just a Chevy. That's not right.

F1 fans sometimes know chassis numbers going back to the 50's. Cars are a big part of racing. That's why i hate 1 make race series.

Last.

There isn't much tech to NASCAR, the cars are just V8s wrapped in sheet metal with no computers. It isn't like F1 where there is a new model introduced every year. In NASCAR they keep the same bodies, what, half a dozen years before they replace them?

It would be neat for NASCARs to look more different then they do, but it doesn't bother me much, nowhere near enough to stop me from watching.

You gotta understand though. There are those of use that are open minded and we have legit issues with Nascar. There will always be the naysayers. In fact allot of times i have to explain to Nascar fans why road racing makes sense. But i don't sweat it. Allot of ignorant and stupid people make worthless opinions. Sometimes though, someone has a valid point and you really got to think it over. I do when someone does about road racing and you should about Nascar.

I do understand the complaints with NASCAR, however as you said those who make the complaints should realize every single motor racing series has problems and there is always ways they could be better.

Some, like you, don't like NASCAR because the cars aren't true stock cars and there isn't enough technology to it.

Some don't like F1 because there isn't enough passing and the drivers have no personality.

However fans of both series won't let these flaws stop them from watching their sport.

I didn't look over this post so if there is some misspelling etc then forgive

 

[Motominded]

And this is why Juan Pablo Montoya is a NASCAR driver now?

Guys, in the end of it all, it doesn't matter what track you race on, what kind of shape it has or even the surface, what matters is that you are racing. NASCAR isn't the most technically advanced sport out there, but who cares, if you don't like it, just don't watch it. There's no reason to bash something I like unless you can present an argument worth hearing. You're not going to find a Crew Chief in NASCAR who couldn't switch to something like F1 with a huge problem, it's only different priorities.

NASCAR is built for Speed. American.
Almost everything else is built for handling. European.

Sorry, that made no sense at all. Chip Ganassi wrote a big check and Juan went to nascar. End of that.

NASCAR is built for Speed. American.
Almost everything else is built for handling. Europe

Wow, you really have been brain washed. Ever heard of Malcolm Campbell?
I think he knew more about speed than just about anyone.

And what about a little British company called Sunbeam? 2,000hp in 1929 ring a bell?

What about the Mercedes and Auto Union cars of the 30's? You know the ones that did 400+ kph

Oh and Andy Green, yeah he's British and so is the Thrust SSC.

P.s. I have lived in Georgia most of my life.

 

[Motominded]

How about the Spanish fans using racial slurs vs Lewis Hamilton and the FIA threatening to remove the Spanish GP because of their action? Trashy fans exist everywhere. And for some FYI, only 1/3 of NASCAR tracks are located in the south, not to say those in the south are classless.

Dirty and if i took Max Mosley (needs to go now!) job, i would ban you from the event. I say racism isn't ever to be tolerated. No matter where it is.

Michael Schumacher is the dirtiest driver I've ever seen, so I can see when fans pick personality over skill.

Don't question Michael's skill. He was on of the best ever. Just like Senna, Prost, Gilles, and other greats, he did what he had to win, if the Fia thought it was to much, he was thrown out. 1997 is the prime example. If you really know a little about F1. You know what happened between Prost and Senna at Suzuka in 89 and 90. We still consider Senna the best ever and Prost right up there at the top. In the grand scheme of things, the best have always been dirty sometimes. In the short time we got to see him and Senna go at it, we knew we were in for a great decade. That all changed that black weekend in Imola. Michael took the torch as the best. He took a strugling team and mended them into the "Champagne Team", if Michael was in the car today, he would still win. Look at the record sheet, it screams utter domination. Personality never accomplished that and don't forget it.

I've seen this before, NASCAR oval racing rocked hard in the olden days but the new racing sucks.

That and a place called Riverside wasn't a mall parking lot.

I'm sure there is alot of F1 fans who would love the return to the 80s and early 90s. Sports car fans who want a return to the Group C era. But we are living today, let's deal with what we have today. The last time a NASCAR race consisted of cars driven right off the showroom floor was what, 40, 50 years ago?

F1 2008
1. Traction control finally gone.
2. Launch control - gone too!
3. Longer life power plant and trans.
4. Likely return to slicks (i hope)

Sports car racing
1. Aston Martin factory effort in GT1,GT2,GT3,GT4 and LMP1
2. Diesels vs Petrol/biofuel battles in LMP1
3. Japan will have entry with DOME for LMP1
4. More and more entries for production based cars.

With that, Group C is still here in spirit but these new LMP1 cars are faster with less power. I saw a Robinson Reynard Judd drive circles around a 962 at Mitty 2 weeks ago.

The last time a NASCAR race consisted of cars driven right off the showroom floor was what?

20 years ago.

You don't like NASCAR because of things like that, which is cool, it's up to you to like what you want.

Correct!

Close racing as in door to door, bumper to bumper and alot of passing throughout the pack. F1 racing is never that close and never will be until they slow the cars down, take out more of the computers and put driving more into the driver's hands, and get off the super twisty tracks that have nearly 0 passing opportunites.

allthough I have found the 2008 season to be one of the most boring since Schumacher won 90% of the time. Again, it's my opinion that this F1 season has been boring and I may stop watching, but that won't stop diehard fans of the series.

Ah ......What are you talking about, Schumi retired in 2006.

1 Australia Grand Prix Lewis Hamilton
2 Malaysian Grand Prix Kimi Räikkönen
3 Bahrain Grand Prix Felipe Massa
4 Spanish Grand Prix Kimi Räikkönen
5 Turkish Grand Prix Felipe Massa


Ill just finish like this. This thread is about whether Nascar fits into GT5 and i feel that because GT5 IS about the cars and what make seach individual one special........No need for Nascars to show up. Unless they are from the old days like 1984. That's it.

 

[Earth]

Ill just finish like this. This thread is about whether Nascar fits into GT5 and i feel that because GT5 IS about the cars and what make seach individual one special........No need for Nascars to show up. Unless they are from the old days like 1984. That's it.

I respectfully disagree.

I want a heavy powerful "stock car" to race on the ovals to make them more challenging. I want oval track cars to race on ovals.

That's it.

 

[Motominded]

I respectfully disagree.

I want a heavy powerful "stock car" to race on the ovals to make them more challenging. I want oval track cars to race on ovals.

That's it.

PD will have the final say and Kaz is probably gonna stick with what he knows.

P.s. have you ever been on a race track in real life?

 

[Earth]

PD will have the final say and Kaz is probably gonna stick with what he knows.

P.s. have you ever been on a race track in real life?

Nope, just a virtual racer. I visited Indianapolis Motor Speedway a few months ago and there was some guys taking laps around the track in an openwheel training car, only up to 95mph. It cost nearly a grand to do that but I do want to go back and try it out. I would also like to go out to the local drag strip one of these days.

I've never considered getting into real racing for the same reason I've never played football, it's just too dangerous. I don't like having things out of my control, and you can easily hurt yourself or someone else doing those things even if you don't put a foot wrong, someone else could make a mistake or you could end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Motominded]

Nope, just a virtual racer. I visited Indianapolis Motor Speedway a few months ago and there was some guys taking laps around the track in an openwheel training car, only up to 95mph. It cost nearly a grand to do that but I do want to go back and try it out. I would also like to go out to the local drag strip one of these days.

I've never considered getting into real racing for the same reason I've never played football, it's just too dangerous. I don't like having things out of my control, and you can easily hurt yourself or someone else doing those things even if you don't put a foot wrong, someone else could make a mistake or you could end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

check the scca, it will change your mind.

 

[Spec M]

I think the compared images on the previous page further justifies why NASCAR is just not 'in' when it comes to other variants/series of motorsports. The actual stock cars have nothing in common with the road versions that they represent. Though it has stickers on it that resemble the same headlights, tail lights and grill my car has I can't think of any other simularity. In oppose to a series like FIA WRC or Touring Car Championship (ETCC) I can watch considerably more competitors from all over the world drive the same car I do, reconstructed to FIA spec. but keeping there factory origins. The fact that the car I drove to the event, could possibly be the victor with the given fact that the racecar is a lightly altered variation of the road version is appealing by itself.

 

[nissan tuner]

wow guys its not even that big of a deal. i never seen this much arguing about why a certain type of racecar shouldn't be in a racing game.

guess you all expect us to run daytona speedway in LMP's and touring cars

I respectfully disagree.

I want a heavy powerful "stock car" to race on the ovals to make them more challenging. I want oval track cars to race on ovals.

That's it.

 

[Spec M]

Its not arguing. Its called debating, theres a difference and thats partially what this forum is about, debating.

 

[Joey D]

If the GT series is going to represent all types of vehicles I see no reason not to have a stock car in the game. Remember one was already in GT2. If you don't want to drive it in the game then don't buy it or just sell it when you win it.

 

[Spec M]

If the GT series is going to represent all types of vehicles I see no reason not to have a stock car in the game.

Not really. Better off buying a real stockcar game.

The Valvoline #6 "Mark Martin" Ford Taurus SHO '99 had to race-modded, and it put out about 300-350hp and was still a front-driver when "fully-tuned". Not quite a Winston Cup car...

guess you all expect us to run daytona speedway in LMP's and touring cars

Sure.., Thats what has been done on the fictional Super Speedway the past seven in a half years.

 

[ExigeEvan]

Yeah but the issue is you'll probably have to compete in a stock car race in order to complete the game.

Personally, I find doing a few laps in GT4 on the oval in a polyphony quite fun, just one small steering mistake and I'm going backwards at 200mph. Though anything more than a sprint race would be abit hum drum.

 

[nissan tuner]

Its not arguing. Its called debating, theres a difference and thats partially what this forum is about, debating.

with 3 stockcar/indy tracks already in the GT series(daytona speedway, sonoma, motegi oval) and with most likely, more to come. (Indianapolis,Watkins Glen, Texas Motor Speedway) how is it out of place for a stockcar to be in the game?

Not really. Better off buying a real stockcar game

do you understand that EA nascar games suck? so why tell joey he's better off buying that.

Sure.., Thats what has been done on the fictional Super Speedway the past seven in a half years.

that speedway is 6.5 miles long. its main purpose is for 1/4th mile runs and top speed tests, not oval racing. and why would you rather have people race LMP's on stock car tracks rather than stockcars being in the game? that makes no sense at all.

if the only reason you're against stockcars being in GT5 is because you hate nascar, then go ahead and admit it

 

[Joey D]

Not really. Better off buying a real stockcar game.

Why though? If you are into all motorsports, GT should be the game that comes through to give you everything. Putting a stock car in wouldn't be that hard, even if it was just a generic one with PD/GT5 emblazoned on the side. I don't really care for NASCAR, but I still think a stock car should be in the game.

Yeah but the issue is you'll probably have to compete in a stock car race in order to complete the game.

There are a lot of races people dislike doing in the GT games, there are some the despise rally stages.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I don´t know what the fuzz is all about. Does it amtter if PD include a couple of stockcars?
The argument is that some people wouldn´t want to race them, but that is just bollocks IMO. There is already a bunch of cars that you have to race in order to complete the game that is not everybodys cup of tea. Me for instance, don´t like the K-cars very much, and I´m absolutely not in favour of a driftmode, but if there is one, I´lll simply have to learn how to drift properly.
I´m actually not that keen on ovalracing either, at least not IRL, but I´ve been playing GT5p for awhile now, and I´ve discovered that I seem to have a talent for ovalracing in the game, even though I don´t like it.
So, like rallying, drifting or K-car racing, I say; bring it on! The more the marrier!

 

[Spec M]

with 3 stockcar/indy tracks already in the GT series(daytona speedway, sonoma, motegi oval)

Motegi Super Speedway and Infineon were in GT4. Im sure many thought there would be stock cars in GT4 also

and with most likely, more to come. (Indianapolis,Watkins Glen, Texas Motor Speedway

Possible, but no garuntee, IMO highly unlikely.

how is it out of place for a stockcar to be in the game?

Its Gran Turismo. Made by Polyphony Digital, a Japanese organisation. Nascar doesn't seem to be as popular as the other series PD has presented. Why would they take the time to compose these cars when theres so much more they could be focusing on. Like more ETCC cars, DTM, Group C, Le Mans, F1 SCCA GT2, GT3 perhaps etc. Basically the series that are internationally known and appreciated. Just my thoughts and opinions.

do you understand that EA nascar games suck? so why tell joey he's better off buying that.

I understand thats an opinion, and there are others that would disagree with you



Note: Im against NASCAR being in GT5. I don't hate them but I do believe that it would be wise for PD to spend their resources on a wiser decision. I wouldn't have any problem with "a couple stockcars". No need for people taking things out of context. Theres nothing wrong with two people disagreeing and discussing. Its just a debate, get over it 👍

 

[Perfect Balance]

I don't really care for NASCAR, but I still think a stock car should be in the game.

Then people could see how bad they actually are on anything other than an oval.

Those cars literally turn left better than right, even on a "normal" race track due to problems with how the torque is put out, making the front inside wheel lift when turning right. There's a term for that, I just can't remember it, but it's just another thing that "should" have been taken care of during the design process of the car, but they just weren't. Crap like that is what makes me dislike NASCAR. They just go about being lazy and careless about the entire sport. Very unprofessional, and just makes the whole sport fit into the rest of the redneck, primitive "fun" like "Mud-boggin" and tractor pulls, and anything else that goes well with a healthy dose of beer.

 

[Jim Prower]

mmm, I don't know. I've actually seen one of the Watkins Glen cars...I could tell because the fuel filler was on the RIGHT side.

Certianly, some teams are gonna be better than others, and there's that fact that there really aren't enough road courses to have an excuse, points-wise. which is why Watkins should be IN the Chase.

The other problems I see regarding handling on road courses for stock cars include the Tires, (definitely Oval-biased,) the fact the cars weigh 3800 lbs, and the fact that they were...and still are...low-downforce cars. Also, we get the problem of relatively soft springs, and anti-roll bars. The guys I see winning usually corner flat, and seem to have a bit more spring under their car. (By the way...I've seen ATCC Holden Commodores corner with one front wheel in the air, and lots and lots of hatches with one rear wheel. You can't tell me those cars didn't handle well) The one other issue...and I think this could probably be the one most frustrating to GT racers...is the four speed gearbox. Granted, they make it work, but it's just not a 6-speed like that used in modern touring and GT cars.

I suppose if you put a V8 Supercar aero package, Dunlop tires, and stiffer springs/bars underneath, you'd get fairly similar laptimes. Depending on the track, you may even beat it with a 6-speed and that 800HP engine. (That's insane, isn't it?)

And that's the great thing about GT: you can adjust the suspension to levels most teams haven't experimented with, and stick proper tires on it. Granted, you still won't have downforce, you'll still be grinding a 4-speed, and you won't be able to drop weight, but it'll still be interesting to see what people would do.

 

[Joey D]

Note: Im against NASCAR being in GT5. I don't hate them but I do believe that it would be wise for PD to spend their resources on a wiser decision. I wouldn't have any problem with "a couple stockcars". No need for people taking things out of context. Theres nothing wrong with two people disagreeing and discussing. Its just a debate, get over it 👍

Would you rather have them put a zillion Skylines in instead?

One stock car with a few paint schemes is a good use of resources because it's opening up more possibilities with the game and showcasing more forms of motorsports. Honestly I think Toyota would be the one to come through on this though since it would help them build support for their NASCAR program.

 

[mustangGT90210]

Its Gran Turismo. Made by Polyphony Digital, a Japanese organisation. Nascar doesn't seem to be as popular as the other series PD has presented. Why would they take the time to compose these cars when theres so much more they could be focusing on. Like more ETCC cars, DTM, Group C, Le Mans, F1 SCCA GT2, GT3 perhaps etc. Basically the series that are internationally known and appreciated. Just my thoughts and opinions.

I think they may include a NASCAR Camry just because Japan is now part of NASCAR.

D'oh, tree'd

Would you rather have them put a zillion Skylines in instead?

One stock car with a few paint schemes is a good use of resources because it's opening up more possibilities with the game and showcasing more forms of motorsports. Honestly I think Toyota would be the one to come through on this though since it would help them build support for their NASCAR program.

I agree though. Take out half the Skylines in there and put some new Stock Cars. Preferably 80's NASCARs. What was there, something like 54 Skylines in GT4?

 

[Motominded]

I think the compared images on the previous page further justifies why NASCAR is just not 'in' when it comes to other variants/series of motorsports. The actual stock cars have nothing in common with the road versions that they represent. Though it has stickers on it that resemble the same headlights, tail lights and grill my car has I can't think of any other simularity.

Correct.

In oppose to a series like FIA WRC or Touring Car Championship (ETCC) I can watch considerably more competitors from all over the world drive the same car I do, reconstructed to FIA spec. but keeping there factory origins. The fact that the car I drove to the event, could possibly be the victor with the given fact that the racecar is a lightly altered variation of the road version is appealing by itself.

I also like the fact that many Touring Car and GT series require the use of a factory body shell and other components like rear tail lights.

wow guys its not even that big of a deal. i never seen this much arguing about why a certain type of racecar shouldn't be in a racing game.

guess you all expect us to run daytona speedway in LMP's and touring cars

The issue is this. One of the elements with GT is that different types of cars from different series could go against each other. GT1 vs GT500 and LMP vs Group C.

Nascar is well.......all the same. It really is a type of racing that cant go against anything else. Yes, i suppose 1 stock car forced to race GT3 and other sub 400hp road racers could work. But a field of 16+ identical cars with different stickers wont work.

Consider it like this. In the future if PD were to make an F1 game, they would probably have modern F1 cars (F2007) going against old ones (312, 126, 642) and the like. That's kinda what you get, a mix of different things new and old.
But these cars have different features throughout the years. Many more than a stock car. Especially one form post 1994.

If the GT series is going to represent all types of vehicles I see no reason not to have a stock car in the game. Remember one was already in GT2. If you don't want to drive it in the game then don't buy it or just sell it when you win it.

That's like saying if you dont want 100% in the game, don't bother. Especially if Nascar level exists.

with 3 stockcar/indy tracks already in the GT series(daytona speedway, sonoma, motegi oval) and with most likely, more to come. (Indianapolis,Watkins Glen, Texas Motor Speedway) how is it out of place for a stockcar to be in the game?

I disagree, there are far more people pushing for Spa, Dijon, and Macau than American ovals.

I feel that since Daytona and Motegi are in, you really don't need more. You have a 1.5 and 2.5 mile setup and a test coarse. There is nothing gained by adding more. Road coarses are all different and unique to themselves.

do you understand that EA nascar games suck? so why tell joey he's better off buying that.

That's not GT's or PD's fault. I feel that SpeedTV has horrible coverage of Motorcycle racing. (I blame it on the fact that it is Nascar Tv) But i have no options because SpeedTV has a contract to show the race how they see fit.

Just like Nascar sees EA as a fit company to make that game. Gt is not the one that needs to fix this.

that speedway is 6.5 miles long. its main purpose is for 1/4th mile runs and top speed tests, not oval racing. and why would you rather have people race LMP's on stock car tracks rather than stockcars being in the game? that makes no sense at all.

Actually it does. As i read more of this site, i see that most of you are "virtual racers" and have no real life track experience and cant relate to what is real and what isn't.

For most of the Arcade kids that just wanna see high speeds on an oval, it does make sense to race cars that can reach 250+ MPH vs restrictor plated cars that can break 199. For them, it's more fun.

if the only reason you're against stockcars being in GT5 is because you hate nascar, then go ahead and admit it

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I admit it. There is nothing wrong with that. You need to admit that we have legitament reasons to dislike it and not want it in GT5.

Why though? If you are into all motorsports, GT should be the game that comes through to give you everything. Putting a stock car in wouldn't be that hard, even if it was just a generic one with PD/GT5 emblazoned on the side. I don't really care for NASCAR, but I still think a stock car should be in the game.

A couple from different eras wouldn't be a problem. The famous ones like...

1. Richard's Petty's 64 Plymouth
2. Pearson's 71 Mercury
3. Earnhardt's 84 Monte Carlo

But if I'm honest, I'd want these to wrestle at Road Circuits.

Who here knows about when Nascar visited the 24H of Le Mans in 1976

Click here and look at car #4 and #90
http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Le_Mans-1976-06-13-photo.html

There are a lot of races people dislike doing in the GT games, there are some the despise rally stages.

Some do some don't. I for one would love to see Dakar rally vehicles and Baja Trophy Trucks added.

Would you rather have them put a zillion Skylines in instead?

There are actually allot of Skylines that were in and disappeared i miss. The group 5 DR30 Silhouette for instance and some of the famous group A cars.

I do agree that many more cars will come in time as GT builds better relationships with auto manufactures, but in the mean time with Nissan throwing as many funds in to GT as they are......can you argue why GT has so many Skyline?

One stock car with a few paint schemes is a good use of resources because it's opening up more possibilities with the game and showcasing more forms of motorsports. Honestly I think Toyota would be the one to come through on this though since it would help them build support for their NASCAR program.

GT hasn't given you choices on race liveries since GT2 and that was ten years ago. Again i'll stick with my opinion of a few from different eras to mix in with the road racing.