NASCAR (Stock cars, Craftsman trucks, etc.) in GT5?

[Jake0]

Well was racing to day in gt5p and was wondering, do you think PD might incorporate the "nascar" in GT5 ? since there is actually the daytona track ? was just an idea.

Jake.

 

[Joey D]

Probably not a NASCAR but a stock car at least, they had one in GT2.

 

[Motominded]

Nascar: No place for it in Road Racing. So no place for it in GT.

Ps. Learn how to make a thread title.

 

[Jake0]

ps. learn how to make a useful comment. kk thnx

 

[Spec M]

I agree, theres really no place for stock car racing in GT5.
IMO that would be as silly as the motorcycles in GT discussion.
I also believe that the Japanese (or the rest of the world) just aren't apealed by stock car racing.
Yes, there will be circle track racing.., but stock cars.., I highly doubt and I stand oppose to.

 

[Pupik]

Since it hasn't been brought up in a while, I merged this thread with an ambiguous thread title (about NASCAR) with the big "GT5-future thread" about NASCAR.

Oh, and I don't mind having a NASCAR-like event; although keep in mind EA or whoever has the license to the official NASCAR name. If you're going to have drifting, might as well have NASCAR, or something like it on roundy-round oval tracks. The 100-lap Super Speedway races are a staple of GT3 and GT4 (although GT2's partially-covered track looked best, in my opinion).

 

[McLaren]

Nascar: No place for it in Road Racing. So no place for it in GT.

Ps. Learn how to make a thread title.

Oh really? Is that why Nascar goes to 2 road courses during a season? Is that also why those 2 courses are 2 of the more popular Nascar races?

 

[Earth]

If they can get around the F1 license in GT3 and GT4 and create fictional F1 cars then they can at least create a fictional stock car for GT5. Just one and give it 5 or 6 different paint schemes.

If they do include a 800HP 3400lb stock car in GT5 you will find out that it does take skill to drive the ovals with these cars especially the Twin Ring Motegi oval where you have to lift. Daytona is probably the 2nd easiest oval on the NASCAR schedule.

Now if they included a NASCAR track like Bristol I'm sure alot of opinions about driving a NASCAR oval would change

And why are people against stock cars in GT5? The more different types of cars they have better. I have never seen bias go so far.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

If they can get around the F1 license in GT3 and GT4 and create fictional F1 cars then they can at least create a fictional stock car for GT5. Just one and give it 5 or 6 different paint schemes.

If they do include a 800HP 3400lb stock car in GT5 you will find out that it does take skill to drive the ovals with these cars especially the Twin Ring Motegi oval where you have to lift. Daytona is probably the 2nd easiest oval on the NASCAR schedule.

Now if they included a NASCAR track like Bristol I'm sure alot of opinions about driving a NASCAR oval would change

And why are people against stock cars in GT5? The more different types of cars they have better. I have never seen bias go so far.

I agee with this point of view. You know F1 is a form of stock car racing. I know its not just turning left, but each team has to have a specified car and setup just like in Nascar. Nascar really is a lot harder than most give it credit for. If you don't agree with me then I will race you in the game NASCAR 08, and we will see how hard you really think it is. My bet is someone that thinks they can race Nascar probably can't. Its much like F1 in a sense, the team or driver with the best setup usually beats the rest of the field.

I think it would be neat to have a Nascar in the game. It would be something different from EA's nonsense.

 

[Pupik]

And why are people against stock cars in GT5? The more different types of cars they have better. I have never seen bias go so far.

It Nissan or Honda was competing in NASCAR, then the "import-crowd" would be all for it...

I'm not the biggest NASCAR nor drifting fan (definitely less so on the latter), but I wouldn't mind comparing different styles of racing cars using the same physics engine. And PD has forced Test Course races and Super Speedway on us many times already, the action has proven to be no different than the typical NASCAR event, minus the RVs in the infield.

 

[seanchump]

It's easy to forget that NASCAR made it into the Gran Turismo series before F1 and LeMans cars were ever included. I think there is a very good possibility that at least one model from NASCAR will make it into GT5. This is almost a given since PD added a certain NASCAR track GT5P.. The stock car will probably be included as a prize car just like they did in GT2 with the #6 Valvoline Taurus.

PD should not exclude a major motor sport just because it doesn't appeal to everyone. I really don't really care for K-Cup races, however I understand that all types of vehicles are included in the game because it provides everyone with an opportunity to drive something that most people would never experience in a lifetime. GT is the real driving simulator so I say the more the better. Besides, what would Gran Turismo be without racing Midgets?

 

[Pupik]

It's easy to forget that NASCAR made it into the Gran Turismo series before F1 and LeMans cars were ever included.

If you want to split hairs, the GT-R LM and the NSX GT2 LM (both "Special" cars; both 500,000 credits) were actual entrants at Le Mans in 1996 and 1995, respectively. And both were in the original Gran Turismo.

The Valvoline #6 "Mark Martin" Ford Taurus SHO '99 had to race-modded, and it put out about 300-350hp and was still a front-driver when "fully-tuned". Not quite a Winston Cup car...

 

[Spec M]

It Nissan or Honda was competing in NASCAR, then the "import-crowd" would be all for it...

Wow really? Toyota is in.., I wonder why the import crowd isn't into it now.
I dont really think it matters what name is on the car, because its still, a stock car.

 

[seanchump]

If you want to split hairs, the GT-R LM and the NSX GT2 LM (both "Special" cars; both 500,000 credits) were actual entrants at Le Mans in 1996 and 1995, respectively. And both were in the original Gran Turismo.

The Valvoline #6 "Mark Martin" Ford Taurus SHO '99 had to race-modded, and it put out about 300-350hp and was still a front-driver when "fully-tuned". Not quite a Winston Cup car...

As for the Mark Martin SHO not quite being a Winston Cup car, that's an understatement, however I think the valvoline paint job better resembled it's true-to-life counterpart than the special LMs. Too bad it was underpowered and FF...

I was taking about more popular LMP's but either way I'd like to see NASCAR done right in the GT series with the same about of realism as the F2007 in GT5P.

 

[Jim Prower]

Interesting for this to come up again. I'll Bring up my viable solution...

http://www.arcaracing.com/

That's the website of the ARCA RE/MAX series. That series uses cars identical to the old style cars, (IE, not the COT,) AND races on dirt tracks, to boot, as well as asphalt short tracks, all the way up to...yes...Daytona and Talladega. A good alternative to the Sprint Cup and Nationwide series, and there's also a V6 truck series...not as fast as Craftsman Trucks, but should be fine.

 

[nissan tuner]

adding the 4 COT cars wont hurt anybody.

go right ahead and add them PD

 

[Earth]

adding the 4 COT cars wont hurt anybody.

go right ahead and add them PD

EA still has the NASCAR license

But PD can still create fictional stock cars with similiar specs.

Because of the ultra super unrealistic draft in GT5 racing on any oval 1.5 miles or larger doesn't take alot of skill as you can use the draft on the straight to gain any time you lost in the corners.

PD needs to include NASCAR tracks that take skill and tuning knowledge to be quick on. Tracks like Bristol, Martinsville, Richmond, and phoenix.

And PD has forced Test Course races and Super Speedway on us many times already, the action has proven to be no different than the typical NASCAR event, minus the RVs in the infield.

PD needs to throw in a short track oval, and minds will change on the quality of oval racing.

 

[JB-BMW1989]

I don't think the Japanese got into NASCAR when the rest of the NASCAR drivers showed up in Suzuka Circuit back in 1996 and in 1997. Although I'm not so sure about that, but having stock cars would be a great idea for Gran Turismo 5. EA still has the NASCAR license, so PD can't do anything about it. If they can bring the car customization to GT5, you can get to modify the Ford Fusion, the Dodge Charger, the Toyota Camry and the Chevrolet Impala and pretend as the stock car you modified. They should have powertrain swaps as well to make them rear wheel drive. The Charger is rear wheel drive already, but you still need an engine swap to compete.

Good idea though. Just drop the NASCAR name, and then you'll have both Daytona Super Speedway and Motegi Super Speedway to compete on.

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

I don't care about doing NASCAR events. Just don't make me watch a race; so boring...

 

[Patrocles]

I don't care for NASCAR and would never use it if PD included it in any GT game.

Here is an interview of a NASCAR coach by ONN:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nascar_coach_reveals_winning

from taped driver - coach headset communication (i ordered the transcripts)
Coach Dan Amon: Go straight and go fast!
Driver Curtis Rutherford: I'm going fast!
Coach: Go fast and straight!
Driver: Should I keep going fast(er?)?
Coach: Keep going fast, roger, keep going fast
Driver: Is this straight enough?
Coach: Straighter!

 

[nissan tuner]

EA still has the NASCAR license

EA dosen't have a single nascar COT in their games nor the license. its still fictional COT's

 

[Motominded]

Oh really? Is that why Nascar goes to 2 road courses during a season? Is that also why those 2 courses are 2 of the more popular Nascar races?

my reason stands.

just for Nascar, sears point and watkins glen have to use the short (lame) version of both tracks.

Again Nascars are meant to go in circles, otherwise they could race on more real road racing tracks.

 

[toyota_gt1]

Why doesn't anybody understand that racing on oval's in NASCAR is so much harder than people think. You don't just turn left, go fast and win. If your car isn't handling properly, your in trouble. If it's tight, you have to slow down more in the corners to keep the car on the bottom. If your loose, you have to be very careful when stepping back on the gas or you might just spin out. I'm not even being technical. There's so much more to it than just this.

 

[Earth]

EA dosen't have a single nascar COT in their games nor the license. its still fictional COT's

Intersting, but I still don't think GT could use the NASCAR logo or name. Personally I would rather have the stock car look of the 80s and 90s then the new COT, which looks too much like a racecar to me (rear wing and front splitter)

Nascar: No place for it in Road Racing. So no place for it in GT.

Ps. Learn how to make a thread title.

So which cars from past GT games actually race on the Daytona and Twin Ring Motegi ovals? You're driving cars built for roadcourses on the ovals. We need proper oval racing cars that make oval racing challenging and exciting.

PD didn't include Daytona for the roadcourse, they included it for the oval fans of America to increase sells. Even alot of Europeans and others have enjoyed the oval in the game.

If Gran Turismo truly wants to cover all forms of motorsport from lemans to rally to F1, then they need to include oval racing and proper oval racing cars which would be NASCAR COTs or Indy Racing League cars.

It's obvious you don't like NASCAR or oval racing, that's fine, I don't like rally, but you won't see me campaigning against it being featured in GT5 because I don't think it fits the GT theme, because the more different types of cars GT has the merrier fans of that particular racing discispline.

Why doesn't anybody understand that racing on oval's in NASCAR is so much harder than people think. You don't just turn left, go fast and win. If your car isn't handling properly, your in trouble. If it's tight, you have to slow down more in the corners to keep the car on the bottom. If your loose, you have to be very careful when stepping back on the gas or you might just spin out. I'm not even being technical. There's so much more to it than just this.

Really no use telling them this, they're never going to get it as long as they remain ignorant of the sport which leads to ignorant beliefs and comments.

 

[David48]

I'm a huge NASCAR fan, but imho, I would hate to see PD put NASCAR in GT. If I want a NASCAR game(which I do) then I would buy it from EA (which I do.). PD can only incorporate so many things into the game before they have to start compromising quality. And if they moved the WRC cars to their own seperate game like TT, the GT series would be much better looking, and the WRC/dirt cars would also look much better. So if PD would want to have a NASCAR branch, they would make it on its own game.

 

[Gabkicks]

some people already feel that quality has been compromised... so why not just include it anyways.

 

[David48]

It would have to be drastically compromised to add NASCAR.

 

[Spec M]

Why doesn't anybody understand that racing on oval's in NASCAR is so much harder than people think. You don't just turn left, go fast and win. If your car isn't handling properly, your in trouble. If it's tight, you have to slow down more in the corners to keep the car on the bottom. If your loose, you have to be very careful when stepping back on the gas or you might just spin out. I'm not even being technical. There's so much more to it than just this.

Are you being sarcastic? Because none of that seems complicated at all. As oppose to the skill, technique and concentration involved in road racing, (GT, Group C, Rally, Le Mans, and F1 etc.) Im sorry but I just dont find stock car racing near as technical, it seems the rest of the world doesn't thinks so either. No game I've played to date (including the EA NASCAR) has justified these claims of complexity. Of course it easier to do anything in a video game, we can all agree with that. But no one seems to be interested in stock cars but certain groups of Americans. These other series featured by PD are internationally known. Much like F1, to some countries its more than a sport and is as important to the natives as Soccer. Besides, why would one want to do a stock car series when F1, Le Mans, Group C, WRC etc. is available.., just my logic.

 

[Motominded]

It's obvious you don't like NASCAR

I did before 2000 when it went mainstream and became more soap opera than racing.

or oval racing

I watched every Indy Racing Series race this season and will be watching bump day tomorrow so no issues with oval racing. I have also watched every Indy 500 for the last 9 years.

I don't like rally, but you won't see me campaigning against it being featured in GT5 because I don't think it fits the GT theme, because the more different types of cars GT has the merrier fans of that particular racing discispline.

IMO Rally fits, even though most rally's are staged off racing circuits. There is that element of driving by your self not bumping with other cars but there are rally events that hold a more "racing" style approach.

Really no use telling them this, they're never going to get it as long as they remain ignorant of the sport which leads to ignorant beliefs and comments.

who are "they"? Polyphony Digital? Or us diehard racing fans that don't care for nascar?

 

[Perfect Balance]

Why doesn't anybody understand that racing on oval's in NASCAR is so much harder than people think. You don't just turn left, go fast and win. If your car isn't handling properly, your in trouble. If it's tight, you have to slow down more in the corners to keep the car on the bottom. If your loose, you have to be very careful when stepping back on the gas or you might just spin out. I'm not even being technical. There's so much more to it than just this.

I'm not looking to fuel the debate, but this is true in any other form of racing.

The average education level of a Nascar crew chief is high school.


Sorry, but on the job training doesn't make up for engineering. Period.