Nurburgring

[K_Speed]

I know there is a 24h race on the nürburgring. They connect the nürburgring with the nordschleife, I at least think so...

http://foto.nurburgring.de/web/images/nordschleife_1024.jpg

 

[DQuaN]

What I meant was, from the picture above are any of those roads surrounding the track part of the nordshelife?

 

[Nasadus]

Guess i was wrong then or at least my source of information was wrong.And to answer your question DQuaN,no those roads are not part of the Nordschleife circuit.

 

[wee_man]

I think there is a classic 24hr sports car race which uses both the new F1 circuit and the original Nordschliffe circuit.
Yes the original Nordschliffe circuit which is only used occasionally (most noitcably now the 24hr GT race) nowadays. The south GP circuit is more commonly used, but is only used by the F1 cars. The Nordschliffe is probably the most difficult track ever, the modern GP circuit most definatly isn't.

 

[Diego440]

I know we're all fairly computer-wise, but I took the time to find out a bit of history on the track; mostly so we stop getting so many posts wondering about what part of the Nurburgring track is going to be raced on. If you want to go straight to teh source, go to http://www.formula1.com/race/circuitdetail/720.html or http://www.nuerburgring.de

The original Nurburgring, the Nordschleife, ran for an awe-inspiring 22.5 kilometres (14 miles). It was so long and so complicated that drivers simply could not remember a racing line. The Nurburgring was, in fact, two circuits: the Nordschleife and the Sudschleife. In total they had an amazing 172 corners.

It was safety which sealed the demise of the legendary track. Following Niki Lauda's terrifying accident there in 1976 in which he suffered horrendous burns, the Nurburgring's license to hold Formula One events was withdrawn.

The track underwent huge redevelopment to create a new circuit and in the spring of 1984 a race was held featuring 20 identical Mercedes 190Es and a grid composed of some of the best-ever Formula One drivers. Niki Lauda, Carlos Reutemann, Keke Rosberg, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, James Hunt, Stirling Moss, Jack Brabham, Phil Hill, John Surtees and Denny Hulme were just a few of the names to take part. Senna, then a relative youngster, won from Lauda and Reutemann.

The European Grand Prix was held at the new track later that year, and again in 1985, but it disappeared again after commercial difficulties. With the ascendancy of Michael Schuamcher, from nearby Kerpen, the track was once again back in Formula One in 1995. Posing as the Luxembourg Grand Prix for 1997 and 1998, it has, since then, taken the name of the European Grand Prix.

The track may not be as challenging as the old circuit, but it is still possible to take a trip down memory lane - literally. For just a few euros one can take a car onto the old track and soak up what was one of the most feared and yet respected circuits in the history of motorsport.


I'm guessing that when some people here have called this track the hardest in the F1 circuit, they're referring to the 172-corner-race, and not to this new, revamped and remodeled one.

 

[Blake]

It was so long and so complicated that drivers simply could not remember a racing line.

That was what I was wondering about, how did the drivers remember when to brake, turn in etc. Guess they couldn't.

Just another question, what was the lap record at the long track?

 

[Eagle]

According to the Nurburgring site Stefan Bellof still holds the record. He set a time of 6 minutes, 11.13 seconds in his group-C Porsche 956 in 1983.

The Formula 1 record was set in the early 70's before the race was cancelled from F1 and was around the 7 minutes 20 seconds mark.

 

[K_Speed]

Originally posted by Blake
That was what I was wondering about, how did the drivers remember when to brake, turn in etc. Guess they couldn't.

Just another question, what was the lap record at the long track?

the newest record was by a tuned Toyota Supra, I think Mugen tuned it, or Blitz either one. Im not sure, but it broke the record...

F1 cars im not sure...

 

[Eagle]

The most recent record was actually an SR3 Turbo by Radical Motorsports, and a lot of controversy seems to surround whether to count it as a real record or not. The car doesn't meet some people's definition of a car.

We are, however, far off topic.

*Dances* Schumacher's on pole! The order is re-established, by no less than 6 tenths to Sato. It was a pretty closely contested qualifying once again, with 2 thousandths splitting Trulli and Raikkonen in 3rd/4th, and 1 thousandths between Barrichello and Montoya (7th/8th).

Can Sato blitz the start again? Will there be a first corner incident? Will Michael bide his time or just blast off into the sunset? Is Rubens two stopping again? Can Coulthard and Raikkonen's engine last longer than 3 laps in qualifying?

 

[heero 12]

Schumi+pole+home track+best F1 car.............=???

 

[l33tc4k30fd00m]

Originally posted by Eagle
Can Sato blitz the start again?

I don't think he will. Seeing as he seemed to jump the start last time. Trulli on the other hand...

 

[DRIFT4EVA]

Hey. If it rains then Schumi will just eat everyone up. We all remember Indy and that Silverstone race. Do you really want to see that again?

 

[Brett]

Originally posted by heero 12
I say Schumacher does the ole' "wait until he pits then blow him off like a newspaper" deal and we watch the battles for second and third, won't be as exciting as Monaco, but at least we're not watching Nascar.

Isn't that the truth about Nascar?

 

[Blake]

= D'oh for me

 

[Eagle]

= Monotonous event that I'll still love watching.

No one seems to have confirmed Sato jumped the start so I didn't say it, but I think he did and so do quite a few people.

 

[heero 12]

SCHUMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alright! Another 1-2 for Ferrari! The funny thing was, it was an exciting race, and Sato still can't drive! I vote he be taken out of F1, he's just not qualified. And please direct all coments about my F1 qualifications elsewhere, no need for spam thank you.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Looks like Montoya is running into Schumachers again. To bad it was his own team mate. Idiot.

Sato should take the hint. Four blown engines this season means give up. I also hated that stupid move he made when he ran into Barrichello. He blew a third or second place finish with that genius move.

Barrichello summed up the move perfectly. "A completely amateur move."

Now, on to the Brickyard.

 

[Nasadus]

I wouldn't call Sato an amatuer,he acted too soon and payed the price.He's a fighter,he knew he was faster then Barrichello and wanted to get past him as soon as possible.Inpatience is a better word.He was pacing Schmacher the entire race so calling him an amatuer would be inappropriate.
The Ferrari's were once again dominant as expected,the McLarens were a disaster once again.Something seriously need to change there.Thank god Hakkinen left when he did.
All in all a good race.

 

[Eagle]

All I can say is: owned.

I saw an interview with Schumacher after his pole effort yesterday, and he said words to the effect of "We knew we could do this, those who have doubted us after Monaco, need to remember what Ferrari is". I was amazed to see people coming out trying to believe the season had changed.

Ha, just saw the greatest shot on the coverage, Michael and Rubens side by side giving each other a thumbs up.

Sato... well. He had practically redeemed himself in my eyes with his race today, but that move on Barrichello was just stupid, it was never on to pass then. Then to have his engine go again... Something's up with those Hondas. Martin Brundle suggested they don't like being stopped and thus under extreme heat, or that perhaps there's just something in Sato's driving style. Either way, almost taking out the second place runner isn't acceptable, and it's not like this is the first time we see Sato tangling with people.

Speaking of tangles, go Montoya, go you good thing. Mustang man? You gonna have a thank you for Montoya again this time? Way to take your teammate out. And Ralf, I know he never saw Da Matta but damn. Why drive into the dirt, why not just stick to the tarmac run off there?

McLaren, well, nothing new there. Sad. B car launches on Tuesday, it better be a big step up or they'll have compromised their development for 2005 I'd wager. Martin Brundle raised the point that they've had all the data and their last two cars have been failures, what can they really change then that they haven't tried already?

Kudos to Mark Webber for scoring some points, Renault for keeping in the hunt, Fisichella for finding yet more points for Sauber.

Forza Ferrari.

Edit: Everyone notice the black arm bands on the Ferrari team members? Nice to see them remembering Umberto Agnelli - RIP. The Ferrari boys even withheld spraying champagne.

 

[Hell Patrol]

Yeah, I think Barrichello coulda gave him some room..
I know Barrichello is mad but cuz Sato hit him but he left him no room.. Sato was clearly much faster than Barrichello

 

[Eagle]

o_O Dude he was miles away, Rubens had no cause to give him room, and he even tried to get out of the way when he saw Sato kamikaze'ing in, but it wasn't enough.

 

[sinner]

I agree Eagle... Taku was simply too ambitious... there was just not enough room there... I don't think even Barrichello expect he'd be coming in so fast... I don't like Ferrari, but I'd have to side with Rubens on this one...

 

[l33tc4k30fd00m]

Originally posted by heero 12
SCHUMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alright! Another 1-2 for Ferrari! The funny thing was, it was an exciting race, and Sato still can't drive! I vote he be taken out of F1, he's just not qualified. And please direct all coments about my F1 qualifications elsewhere, no need for spam thank you.

Can't drive? CAN'T DRIVE?? Were you watching the same race as me? He made a stupid mistake. Like many drivers do! Remember Monico? Guess we should kick Montoya, Shumi and Alonso out. Oh and speaking of Montoya, he did something just as deadly to Ralf today. On the first corner!

Sure he has more balls than he should have. But he hasn't been in F1 that long. He just needs to mellow out.

Besides... Nothing will teach him a lesson more than snatching defeat from the jaws of victory like he did.

I'm just glad Sato only took himself out. Not that I would cry if Button got another second... But it would be cheap.

 

[l33tc4k30fd00m]

Ok that was stupid, ignore this.

 

[K_Speed]

let it all out buddy lol

 

[l33tc4k30fd00m]

Originally posted by K_Speed
let it all out buddy lol

For the record I ment the double post. Quoted myself when I ment to edit.

I stand by what I said...

 

[SouL]

Hah. So much for my "Ralf might do good" prediction. That was a funny first corner.

Kudos to Sato for having a good race. He made mistakes.. but so did a lot of other people. That move on Barrichello really wasn't such a good idea... a brave move but it really cost him.
Do you think he really would've ended up 2nd?
Jarno Trulli is apparently also pissed off at Sato. I read somewhere that Sato touched JT's back right wheel during the 4th turn. And in the confusion he somehow hit the speed limiter button and cost him some spots.

McLaren... geez. Kimi was having a good run... and DC was having an AMAZING one. Dead last to about 8th? or 9th? He was up there... he made up a lot of ground.

All in all a pretty good race. I started to doze off near the last 1/4 then the announcers started to get excited when Sato made his move on Barrichello.

 

[heero 12]

My question is, were you all even watching that move Sato took on Barrichello? He knew he wasn't going to get by so he floored it trying to take him out, not very professional if you ask me. And lets stop argueing alright? I have my opinions and you have yours, the last thing we need is a flame war.

 

[l33tc4k30fd00m]

Originally posted by heero 12
My question is, were you all even watching that move Sato took on Barrichello? He knew he wasn't going to get by so he floored it trying to take him out, not very professional if you ask me.

Uh are you NUTS? This isn't Touring Cars! No forget it.

MADNESS.

 

[Eagle]

If you're going to call for people to stop debating something, it's best not to follow it up with an opinion worth debating. Just a head's up.

Sato did drive a great race, and yes, he just needs to mellow out. He hasn't been racing that long at all and suddenly he finds himself fighting for podium places with some of the best driver's in the world.

I don't think he floored it into him, he just didn't stop. F1 brakes decelerate the car at such a tremendous pace, when you don't brake by comparison it looks like you're accelerating out of sight. Rubens was lucky he only lost a part of the bargeboard and Sato hopefully learned a lesson.

What was up with Montoya, that car had no grip at all. We saw him having a great fight with a Jaguar, wtf? Sato was the only Michelin runner with any grip whatsoever.

Was anyone else surprised by Schumacher's demeanour at the post race press conference? He seemed elated in the car and he and Rubens got out in typical happy, friendly circumstances, but Schumacher seemed almost contemptuous during the interview, he even looked drawn and pained. I know it was a sombre, subdued moment but he really has seemed almost angry all weekend, wanting to prove all the naysayers wrong, which he did categorically, but still, seemed odd. Oh and Rubens needs to shave