Official GTP Online Racing Discussion Thread

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Zuel. Hell that's over complicated. And what does real life USCR have to do with anything?

Whatever happened to "click on the thread, see time, date, cars, sign up and race"?

Some people are going little over the top here in all honesty. I'm probably going to get some flak for it, but in my view GT is just a game only. The day online stops being fun is the day I stop.

And who is 3DS Racing?

^This and especially your second sentence Furi. Please dont let us lose the freedom to click on a series have a read and say "Bingo that all suits me perfectly sign me up please". Why complicate something so user freindly.:nervous:
 
^This and especially your second sentence Furi. Please dont let us lose the freedom to click on a series have a read and say "Bingo that all suits me perfectly sign me up please". Why complicate something so user freindly.:nervous:

Trust me, nothing will be changing like that. It'll only become even more user friendly. 'cause, believe it or not, what you claim to be easy and user friendly right now, is super complicated and hardcore in the eyes of a lot of people if you get me.

It's not about making it more complicated, it's just giving people more ways to search and easier channels to go down in finding what they want.
 
Simplified example of the thread OP.

GT3:

Super Awesome GT3 series - Link - Race date start/end
Even more super awesome GT3 series - Link - Race date start/end
Insert generic GT3 series name here - Link - Race date start/end

GT300:

Japanese GT300 season 2014 - Link - host name - Race date start/end

GT500:

Japanese GT500 season 2014 - Link - host name - Race date start/end

Stock normal road car Racing Series:

Race series name - Link - host name - Race date start/end

Tuned normal road car Racing Series:

Race series name - Link - host name - Race date start/end

Stock sport/supercar Racing Series:

Race series name - Link - host name - Race date start/end


Horrible idea? :confused:


Thank you for the invite. Great discussion.

I like the idea of categories and wanted to add to your idea for a "mutt" league/series.

I have started a "mixed league" in that we run 3 "classes" of cars each week. I started this because a lot of drivers like diversity but cannot participate in several series for lack of time. We run a Spec, followed with a Tuned street car, and a Race car/RM car as our last race.

That being said, and your idea gets approved (or some form of it) I would add a mix category or "variety". Something that conveys the concept for those of us that want variety yet only time for one series/week. Just tossing that out there.
 

Yeah i see what you mean about prefix's. I have no issues with that as it will help visually to anyone looking for a particular series.

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Ok i noticed someone touched on exactly what i was thinking.

The biggest problem regarding new drivers joining series is the entry criteria. What i mean by this is some people are completely new to online competitive racing and have no idea how to start joining them without stepping on peoples toes or making them feel "not good enough" to be in them.

We don't need to make creating an Series/League easier. It's fine the way it is. What i think GTP should do is actually make regular series catered to Beginners, Intermediates and Advanced drivers.

So GTP Mods or WRS or whoever in a position of authority on GTP should help the community prosper. Have a weekly series for beginners only lasting say 3-5 weeks.

What drivers will learn from that would be racing etiquette, following rules etc all in a friendly environment with drivers exactly like them. When they feel confident they start joining the Intermediate and so on. By then the establish leagues like the TOCA, ITCC, PURE, ORS, BTCC, APEX so on will become more appealing and you will start seeing a larger influx of drivers creating and joining more series/leagues.
 
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Whats ITTC? Just going to add TOCA., longest running GTP league to that...
 
A way to filter drivers that fit would be very handy hope that dosen't sound snooty its not supposed to. The last couple of BST V8/Spec seasons were riddled with comments like "What are you doing giving him a shot he's a liability etc etc" and vice versa "Oh well done JB you have just killed this season allowing an alien in i quit!!" So if there's a fair freindly way of filtering skill levels to suit that dosen't sound to bad to me on a positive note.:)

@ Furi dont be so prickly we are not mentioned either happy to be under the radar.;)
 
Well thats your fault for not having him added.... and you can race in someone elses lounge even if they are not online. Or host a random lobby and boot out randoms.

As long as my racers have me on friends list, they can race. Simple as.


Your answer does not solve the problem. Why should anybody want to add multiple friends on PSN so that they can race with them privately? If my 40 odd GBRC guys want to race with you in your private lounge, should they all add you? If all of your guys want to race with me in my private lounge do they all have to add me also? People also play other games and have other PSN friends where do we all get the room to have enough GT5 friends to race with consitently?

The whole reason why allot of guys no longer race out of private lounges is due to this unnecessary and constant PSN friend request musical chairs. This is how we at GRBC did things before. When a new member would show up they would have to send multiple FR to all of our most regular members to ensure that they would not miss any racing (the guys most likely to host private lounges) Then one day, a not so regular club member would be first to host in his own private lounge, all the regulars would jump in leaving the new guy wondering where all the racing was at as he was not a friend with the dude hosting the lounge.

As a club trying to grow and maintain its members, this was a major pain in butt so I came up with some dedicated PSN Account/lounges. Of course every member could simply add me, and race out of my lounge whether I was online or not but that would mean having every member (183) added to me, which is not possible. We have about 30-40 actives now but in our hey day we had 70-80. a figure I do not want to have on my PSN friends list, so I created some other PSN accounts just for my members to race out of.

We came up with 5 lounges, one for casual racing, 1 for testing prior to events, and 3 divisional lounges where official races would take place out of. All existing and any new members had to do was add/send friend requests to those PSN accounts. At the start, many members were confused and thought it unnecessary. It took a while for it to click but now everyone understands where they need to be to race, whether it be casual racing, testing or for official events etc. You want casual racing, head over to GBRC_Casual. You want Testing prior to race day head to GBRC_TestNtune, and when you race in official events, head over to the lounge representative of your division. GBRC_lobby_1 2 and 3 etc.


We all here run our events to our liking, and we all think that our way is the way to go. This is understandable, we all do things differently, and no one way will suit all.

Regardless of how we differ in how we do things, in my case whether it be our 16 week seasons, or our defined racing car classes with set regulations etc having a distinguishable place to race that is easy for members of any series to understand is very important.

If we have 30 or guys creating series on a regular basis, would it not make sense to have some pre defined places to race rather then having to constantly FR different event hosts?

Anyway, I think the above (in respect of the private lounges) will be a mute point shortly, as I think GT6 will do away with the need to be a PSN friend to access a private lounge. From all that we have heard we should be able to create and manage our own communities within the GT6 World. I suspect clubs/community membership will be managed in game, and possibly without the 100 PSN limit. Access to private race lounges and events will be determined possibly by if you are a member of said community. I imagine and hope that membership of any GT6 Club/Community would be both invite by those that manage the group and request by those who want to join. Even better, would be a searchable club/community data base with filters, so that those looking to join a club/community have the tools to locate and request membership.



GT6 will, make all of our jobs a whole lot easier, but as much as many of you want to stay away from any kind of strict structure and regulation, I think it is necessary to a degree.


  • Some kind of set regulations for different car classes would be welcome. But this would have to be opt in, as we can't force any race directors to use them. Again a little mute now as our tools may improve for GT6.

  • A set place to race, where any potential participant knows exactly where the racing is going to be at, at all times. Right now with GT5 I would do it my way by creating specific PSN accounts/lounges but this will likely be unnecessary when GT6 arrives so we need to anticipate this as and when we know more about the new GT6 community features.

  • Uniform signup and participation rules are very important. We have an official OLR so why not something similar for event participation? The biggest killer of any series are those that sign up for all races in a series but either show up for 1 or none. This is one way to erode and kill series. The whole GT community needs to frown upon this behavior. By nature a series requires a degree of dedication. Sure people have lives to lead, but people need to be honest and up front before one jumps and commits to a series without thought for the time and effort that goes into the organisation.


It is great that we are all talking about this now, but I believe the whole landscape is going to change with Gran Turismo 6. We will be forced (for the good) to do things differently. They say we are all the products of our environment, it is no different with regards to the the state of GT5 online racing. What you see now and before is a direct result of what GT5 had to offer us the online racer, as well as the tools within this forum. We have all made best with what we have, and interpreted our own way of how to do things. We all could have worked more uniformly for the better of the whole community but what we have now is what we have. Some are happy with it, while others want and can see a better way of doing it.

This whole discussion should have taken place before and during the early days of GT5.


GT6 community racing will become a whole lot more private.....

If we do get the tools, robust tools to create and manage our own communities all within GT6, we will all be back to doing things our own way with our own groups. This is not such a bad thing, as there will no doubt be a group for everyone. This time those groups will have a chance to flourish, as meeting with your fellow racers, finding and attracting new members will be down to the merits of your community, all of which will be much more identifiable and out there more than ever before. It sounds silly, but if we get community tools anything like what I have mentioned, a new kind of ecosystem will form. The standard of racing will go up. Being a quality, active and reliable racer will now bare fruits. Those that run a good GT6 communities will attract the quality and well rounded drivers while getting in with the popular communities will mean you will have to be on top of your game.


The way we stand now, I think it is great and admirable that we are discussing ways to improve the online racing, but lets face it, we have wayy too many Leaders here, people that have managed their groups and events their way for a long time. It will take a whole lot of work and effort and for people to swallow their pride and all work together, even if the aim is that of the whole community. Just look at politics as an example lol

Some people like Comfort Hards, while others like Race Softs, a compromise would be sports Mediums but is this really workable for both camps seeing as both would really prefer to run with the tyres of their choice?

As much as I like to run it my way, I accept that it is not to everyone's tastes, so that is why I sale my ship the way I want to, and those that like the way my boat rocks join me, and those that don't, don't.



Furinkazen, I guess to a large degree you are right in saying that GT online is not broken. I say this as GT online is only broken if that is how you perceive it. GT5 the way it works for many is just fine, while others see a better way of doing it.

I think we should all pause for now, and re live this discussion when GT6 ships.
 
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Can I make a suggestion



Contradicting myself now! lol Perhaps it may be an idea for those invited to this discussion to all meet up in a lounge for a verbal discussion on mic.

If Snaeper agrees we could all meet for some discussion in his lounge?

To avoid it getting messy we could have a program where we discuss the major issues in some kind of order?

I know we are on different time zones so it may be awkward but it could be good?
 
Thank you for the invite. Great discussion.

I like the idea of categories and wanted to add to your idea for a "mutt" league/series.

I have started a "mixed league" in that we run 3 "classes" of cars each week. I started this because a lot of drivers like diversity but cannot participate in several series for lack of time. We run a Spec, followed with a Tuned street car, and a Race car/RM car as our last race.

That being said, and your idea gets approved (or some form of it) I would add a mix category or "variety". Something that conveys the concept for those of us that want variety yet only time for one series/week. Just tossing that out there.

No worries mate. If it is approved, I'd add a Misc catagory for the the racing series that don't really fit into the "normal" catagories. The different series in this catagory would then have a brief explanation on what it is about.

One reason I prefere this idea is that it really doesn't give a lot of additional work to the organisers on here. Only thing they'll need to do is contact the OP with a bit of info and a link. Rest is handled by the OP.

I'm not completely against just making sub forums for each catagory, but it might look a bit off putting, and just involves more mouse clicking.


I'd also like to second the notion that people who sign up and then don't attend any races, are a serious problem on here. We all have lives, but with very few exceptions, there realy shouldn't be anything stopping anyone from contacting their race organiser when they aren't going to attend the race(s).
 
I could attend a GTP-lounge discussion thing. Date/time pending, hopefully this weekend.

Skype? PSN? Date? Time?



As for the ideas at hand, if any of the mods could start a beginner's-only series, ITCC is full of several beginners... Like SpeedMoose, whiskymaser etc., who could possibly learn most from it. ITCC has been a lot of drivers' first step in online racing, especially this season, and the drivers who have won races don't really count as beginners, right?

No, turbo_snail and Adam aren't beginners anymore. :lol:
 
I rather like this, seems like it could visually look better and be more organised (im a bit OCD lol)

I think it probably could. I just knocked it up using the standard Google form creator (which I've never tried before). It seems flexible enough
 
Or we can just open a public lobby, post room numbers, and say "type "GTP"" when you enter so we know its a member here :P
 
Or we can just open a public lobby, post room numbers, and say "type "GTP"" when you enter so we know its a member here :P

We put it to vote:sly:, but I prefer the self important private invite only way j/k lol

I can only do Saturdays and Sundays as I am currently in Australia and the time difference is more than annoying:grumpy:
 
:ouch:. I'm free evening times (BST) on Thursdays, Saturdays, and Tuesdays.
 
What I would like to see, is under the Racing Series forum some sort of categorizing system to differentiate between different types of racing series, where series owners could choose from a drop down menu what type of racing that their series would be. (NASCAR, F1, Indycar, LMP, Touring Cars, DTM, Rally, Street, etc.) Then GTPlanet users would be able to use that filter to quickly find the type of events that they would be interested in.

Also, if a racing series doesn't get a post in it's thread for a certain amount of time I would like to see a system that would automatically label it inactive, with an option to post without "bumping" that inactive status. (I sometimes update my threads after the series is over mainly to update points.)

In addition, I also support the idea of having some sort of "tree" to divide racers for different skill levels of racing, with certain events being for beginner's and newcomers only, and some open only to experienced veterans. Of course there could still be events open to all drivers of any skill level. (I see this working mainly for oval series.) I remember being able to get a spot in Furi's NASCAR Truck Series and I could not keep up. (I'm fairly sure this is due to not being able to tune the truck very well though.)
 
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:lol: and not because Furi spun you? :sly: :lol:

It's something I don't want to see. If slow drivers race against slow drivers, they don't learn. I used to force myself to race against the fastest. Now, when I show up at a race track in real life, I can see everyone's mistakes and be one of the best drivers on the track.

Instructors, coaches, etc. all tell me that I'm doing exceptionally well. I've gotten top 5s in provincial races in real life, came 7th in a full season of national competition... And all because I challenged myself to improve myself. Even in GT Academy 2012, I was in the Top 32 in Canada... Because I stepped up and raced/practiced.

Seriously, putting beginners against beginners is not an idea I'd like to see.
 
I agree with Andrew, you learn more by facing someone who is better than you.
 
:lol: and not because Furi spun you? :sly: :lol:

Actually he didn't qualify because 28 drivers where separated by 4 tenths ;)

It's something I don't want to see. If slow drivers race against slow drivers, they don't learn. I used to force myself to race against the fastest. Now, when I show up at a race track in real life, I can see everyone's mistakes and be one of the best drivers on the track.

Wrong wrong wrong. A slow driver doesn't mean they are not clean. Everyone starts off slow one time. A group of slow clean drivers are better than fast dirty ones.

Instructors, coaches, etc. all tell me that I'm doing exceptionally well. I've gotten top 5s in provincial races in real life, came 7th in a full season of national competition... And all because I challenged myself to improve myself. Even in GT Academy 2012, I was in the Top 32 in Canada... Because I stepped up and raced/practiced.

Seriously, putting beginners against beginners is not an idea I'd like to see.

And this relates to Gran Turismo online how Andrew...?? :odd:
 
Because I taught myself to be faster by choosing to race (online) against the fastest people I could find.
 
Can I make a suggestion



Contradicting myself now! lol Perhaps it may be an idea for those invited to this discussion to all meet up in a lounge for a verbal discussion on mic.

If Snaeper agrees we could all meet for some discussion in his lounge?

To avoid it getting messy we could have a program where we discuss the major issues in some kind of order?

I know we are on different time zones so it may be awkward but it could be good?

This sounds good, though I believe it might be easier to do a Skype session to manage the conversation better and involve even more people in it.

Does anyone/everyone have Skype?

This would be an open invitation to anyone who wants to be involved, even if you want to just sit an listen.
 
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Yeah I was going to suggest some sort of meeting. But it would be best if we went into it with some pre-planned talking points so we can actually get good use from it and have it be effective for our time.

Skype would be great, that way I could record the discussion and podcast it for others to review.

We should do it early and not just once. So whoever can jump on board in the next couple of days, let us know, after that, we'll start to build a consensus on what time would be best. If you can't make it this time, don't worry, we can always do it again soon.
 
Some guys like Polar here have Skype as well, should we allow them in for a racers view?
 
Agreed, I'll put together some talking points on what we can discuss and then figure out when we can all have a chat at a time that works for as many people as possible.

Please PM me your Skype ID's, do not post them in the thread. I just want to reduce a clutter of off-topic posts.

EDIT: Please make the skype name the title of the message. Leave the actual message blank if you can. It will save me time from having to open my message box to read it.

As I said above, Furi, everyone is invited to join the discussion.
 
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