Penalty System Changes Are On The Way to GT Sport This Week

[Famine]

Of course a VW and a Porsche can participate in the same race...look VLN or 24 h.

I did. That's why I gave you the N24 as an example. And also why I said "rarely", not "never".

But they dont race against each other, its an endurance race with a lot of different classes and because of that every class has a winner like in LeMans.

And, just like Le Mans, a car in a lower class still gets overall rankings and can, if it manages it, take an overall win or podium. Like Le Mans in 2017. So they do race against each other, as well as in classes.

But the Idea of 24 h or VLN has nothing to do with Gr. 3 in GTS.

Which rather makes me wonder why you keep bringing up real life GT3/GT4.

GTS has fictional Gr.3 cars that manufacturers don't have in real life in order to fill out the Manufacturer Series. VW doesn't have a GT3 car, so PD gave it a Gr.3 car based on the Volkswagen New Beetle (for some reason). As GT3 (and Gr.3) is essentially a silhouette series that relies on BOP to equalise the cars, there's no particular reason why a GT3 Beetle couldn't exist and couldn't beat a GT3 Porsche - it's just a spaceframe with a 600hp engine, 6-speed homologated gearbox and mandated rear wheel drive, wearing a Beetle suit. It doesn't, but then aside from showy one-offs like the I.D. R, Volkswagen isn't doing much expensive racing right now, I'd guess because it owes a lot of money to the USA.

The case for GT4 is less clear, as BOP only addresses single-lap pace and not tyre wear. There is a reason that no series I'm aware of at first thought allows front, rear and four-wheel drive cars to compete in the same category.


If it's just brand snobbery, allow me to point you to WTCC, where the Chevrolet Cruze won four successive championships, beating a Ford Focus, SEAT Leon and Honda Civic, and where Lada - Lada - won three races in 2016.

Race cars aren't road cars. There's no reason why Brand X can't beat Brand Y, even if Brand X sucks and Brand Y is awesome, when the cars are homologated and equalised by BOP.

 

[Mat73]

I'm sat in my truck at work and will be for the next 5 hours.

Anyone done any laps around Monza?

If so, has the penalty for cutting the first chicane that we saw last week been adjusted accordingly?

 

[Phd77]

Haven't tried the new system yet but not holding out much hope , the problem with eliminating side by side bump penalty is you can now just push people off the circuit without worry , in real life racing you would get your racing licence taken off you as it's very serious , you could kill someone , in a game the offender just thinks it's funny and carries on , I'll give it a go as usual and hope I'm proved wrong

 

[DonZmeuheu]

I did. That's why I gave you the N24 as an example. And also why I said "rarely", not "never".

And, just like Le Mans, a car in a lower class still gets overall rankings and can, if it manages it, take an overall win or podium. Like Le Mans in 2017. So they do race against each other, as well as in classes.

Which rather makes me wonder why you keep bringing up real life GT3/GT4.

GTS has fictional Gr.3 cars that manufacturers don't have in real life in order to fill out the Manufacturer Series. VW doesn't have a GT3 car, so PD gave it a Gr.3 car based on the Volkswagen New Beetle (for some reason). As GT3 (and Gr.3) is essentially a silhouette series that relies on BOP to equalise the cars, there's no particular reason why a GT3 Beetle couldn't exist and couldn't beat a GT3 Porsche - it's just a spaceframe with a 600hp engine, 6-speed homologated gearbox and mandated rear wheel drive, wearing a Beetle suit. It doesn't, but then aside from showy one-offs like the I.D. R, Volkswagen isn't doing much expensive racing right now, I'd guess because it owes a lot of money to the USA.

The case for GT4 is less clear, as BOP only addresses single-lap pace and not tyre wear. There is a reason that no series I'm aware of at first thought allows front, rear and four-wheel drive cars to compete in the same category.


If it's just brand snobbery, allow me to point you to WTCC, where the Chevrolet Cruze won four successive championships, beating a Ford Focus, SEAT Leon and Honda Civic, and where Lada - Lada - won three races in 2016.

Race cars aren't road cars. There's no reason why Brand X can't beat Brand Y, even if Brand X sucks and Brand Y is awesome, when the cars are homologated and equalised by BOP.

You just blandish GTS. I can understand that. But for me this Gr. 3 classes are childish and fake. When its ok for you than be happy about it. For me its not ok but I can live with that.

 

[CRN_G-TR]

How about having a point system for clean racing, like if you drive clean in a pack for several minutes u get point that everybody can see at the end off the race, and clean overtakes, would maybe me more fun to drive clean.

how about setting up people together that have the same amount of contact with other drivers?

Example, if i had 100 hundred races, and in 50 off them I was in contact, 1/2, 0.50.

but also define which of those 50 contacts was my own fault, like dive bomb into the back of the car in front of me and contact with other driver so he went off track.

I dont know, it just seems like today dirty drivers benefit from the system, should be the other way. Freeze car for 20 secons if the do a dirty trick, I know people do mistakes and the penalty system is to harsh.

Lets hope for the best.

In Gt6 when you had a penalty it didnt register throttle input till the penalty is served

 

[ASH32]

Not noticed any major problems with the new system yet but I haven't encountered any really bad drivers or people "testing" the system.

Did accidently nudge a couple of drivers myself, without causing any problems and no one got a penalty so that's good. Also one driver did knock me off track and they did get a penalty for it, not sure what it was though, they went off not long afterwards anyway and I got all the positions I'd lost back by the end of the race, although I probably could have won without that happening, oh well.

 

[Lord of Tranz]

Glad to see this happen, as I feel it needed addressing and haven't played in a few months now because the game proved frustrating.

Time will tell of course, and I'll try things out this week to see if this draws me back and enjoy my racing. I hope so.

 

[CRN_G-TR]

People will use the walls as brakes bouncing back on the racing line causing carnage

 

[Haitauer]

spun for 5 seconds, tried to get out of the gravel another 5, then got reset, got 15 second penalty, finished last and got driver rating downgraded. The dude wasn't even braking, he just used me as an instant stop.

We need stop and go or DQ penalties for these..

 

[CJ1045]

You just blandish GTS. I can understand that. But for me this Gr. 3 classes are childish and fake. When its ok for you than be happy about it. For me its not ok but I can live with that.

I think the exact point is that the class IS fake in GTS AND in the real world. BOP means that you get close racing which is exciting to watch. The outcome of the races relies far more on the skill of the drivers and the strategy of the teams than it does on the car itself (apart from reliability).

CJ

 

[_ApexPredator]

You just blandish GTS. I can understand that. But for me this Gr. 3 classes are childish and fake. When its ok for you than be happy about it. For me its not ok but I can live with that.

Ok, so your criticism is that the game's fantasy racing groups aren't realistic enough?
Which homologated GT3 cars would be in your Group 3 then?

 

[vsfit]

We need stop and go or DQ penalties for these..

I've long thought the same thing.

 

[Haitauer]

I think the exact point is that the class IS fake in GTS AND in the real world. BOP means that you get close racing which is exciting to watch. The outcome of the races relies far more on the skill of the drivers and the strategy of the teams than it does on the car itself (apart from reliability).

CJ

True

We must remember gt3, gte etc. Series have BOP in real life too. As GTS player, It was hilarious to listen Ford GT drivers in Le Mans how "BOP was ridiculous" for them vs porsche.. Dejavu..

 

[Smyven]

Glad to see this happen, as I feel it needed addressing and haven't played in a few months now because the game proved frustrating.

Time will tell of course, and I'll try things out this week to see if this draws me back and enjoy my racing. I hope so.

Wow, so pleased to hear this news, I aint played it for months either because of the system. Must have a go, i heard lemans looks impressive.

Haven't tried the new system yet but not holding out much hope , the problem with eliminating side by side bump penalty is you can now just push people off the circuit without worry , in real life racing you would get your racing licence taken off you as it's very serious , you could kill someone , in a game the offender just thinks it's funny and carries on , I'll give it a go as usual and hope I'm proved wrong

Its never going to be perfect in an automated world is it. But at least as long as i know that if i drive clean and get less penalties for things i never caused then thats a good thing.

 

[DonZmeuheu]

Ok, so your criticism is that the game's fantasy racing groups aren't realistic enough?
Which homologated GT3 cars would be in your Group 3 then?

Normal GT3 Classes and GT4 classes which exist in real live and not classes with cars which dont exist. I hate this fantasy cars like a Beetle Gr. 3. When you like that concept then you know nothing about racing. Sorry guys but it's sad how you blandish GTS.

 

[Famine]

I hate this fantasy cars like a Beetle Gr. 3. When you like that concept then you know nothing about racing.

Mm-hmm:

As GT3 (and Gr.3) is essentially a silhouette series that relies on BOP to equalise the cars, there's no particular reason why a GT3 Beetle couldn't exist and couldn't beat a GT3 Porsche - it's just a spaceframe with a 600hp engine, 6-speed homologated gearbox and mandated rear wheel drive, wearing a Beetle suit. It doesn't, but then aside from showy one-offs like the I.D. R, Volkswagen isn't doing much expensive racing right now, I'd guess because it owes a lot of money to the USA.

Tell me more about how railing against a car that doesn't exist, but could, means you know more about racing than people who are entirely comfortable with it knowing that it could exist, but doesn't.

 

[sturk0167]

I just ran 2 SR:S races at Brands, and there were a lot of penalties. Any changes to the penalty system aren't really noticeable, at least not at SR:S.

 

[_ApexPredator]

Normal GT3 Classes and GT4 classes which exist in real live and not classes with cars which dont exist. I hate this fantasy cars like a Beetle Gr. 3. When you like that concept then you know nothing about racing. Sorry guys but it's sad how you blandish GTS.

Well, two things:

The Gr3 Beetle in GTS is very much based upon the very successful Andretti Motorsport entries in GRC.

The second point is I asked you which cars you'd like to see in your Group 3, you didn't name any, instead choosing to tell me I know nothing about racing. Could it be that you realised there aren't actually very many homologated group 3 cars, and the ones that do exist in real series are actually already very well represented in the game.

If there weren't any VGT or "fantasy Beetles" in the class, the racing would likely be pretty boring.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Well, two things:

The Gr3 Beetle in GTS is very much based upon the very successful Andretti Motorsport entries in GRC.

The second point is I asked you which cars you'd like to see in your Group 3, you didn't name any, instead choosing to tell me I know nothing about racing. Could it be that you realised there aren't actually very many homologated group 3 cars, and the ones that do exist in real series are actually already very well represented in the game.

If there weren't any VGT or "fantasy Beetles" in the class, the racing would likely be pretty boring.

Yep.

If a manufacturer has a Gr.4 car, it has a Gr.3 car.
The only brand in the current line-up to not have a set of Gr.4 and Gr.3 cars is Bugatti (missing a Gr.3 car).

Pretty much says it all.

 

[_ApexPredator]

Pretty much says it all.

I still think you might need to lay it out for this guy

 

[Mirror_man]

Any guy that still thinks that this ridiculous change will improve online game playing.. is total delusional... (the only positive thing it is the equal punishment for different DR Classes.. nothing else!!!!

PD always chooses the easiest laziest and (mostly wrong way...!!!) never the best with more work needed, or even close to the correct one...

I´m almost sure that this "implementation" (of an even worst penalty system) will bring much more dirty playing into the game... now that it "pays" even more... you may push a guy tap by tap out of the track and not be punished for it.. and you may play even more dirty and be less punished (time punishments) for it!!!

The online game was disgust full until now , but from here on it will become unacceptable... I´m quite sure of this... it only results for dirty players that will play even more dirty... and many that were not dirty.. may even find that this is the only way to play the game and start also playng dirty... that is the main result of this so "great" implementation!!!

 

[golfer07840]

Why the hell do not they include the temporary damage to penalize stronger contacts like in the championships?

THIS ^^^^^^^

Want to stop the dirty play and dive bombs? Have them be slowed down because their car isn't working properly. Yeah I know, that means your car won't work either because you were hit. But, maybe, just maybe, the dive bomber will think twice about it since he/she won't get any benefit out of dive bombing because they won't be able to carry on at full speed.

 

[CRN_G-TR]

I prefer the Gt6 penalty system were penelized cars get ghosted and the engine shuts down for a certain amount of time depending on the penalty in this video the driver gets a penalty in turn 1 in gran turismo 6

 

[sihpmo]

i tried for 2 weeks to play clean but NO, your rating goes down for stupid corner penalties and for bastard players, so i have a list with bastard names now and everytime i see one the only thing i do is to destroy them, i have more fun

 

[sundaydriving]

It seems the penalty is not automatically increasing once you get over 10s now???? The whole idea of having to slow down to serve a penalty no matter where you are on track was a silly one.

Anyone want to collect a bunch of penalties to see whether theres a new threshold?

 

[CRN_G-TR]

i tried for 2 weeks to play clean but NO, your rating goes down for stupid corner penalties and for bastard players, so i have a list with bastard names now and everytime i see one the only thing i do is to destroy them, i have more fun

Quote From @ThePhantomAli
"dont argue with stupid people They will bring you down to their level then beat you with experience "

 

[Sven Jurgens]

It seems the penalty is not automatically increasing once you get over 10s now???? The whole idea of having to slow down to serve a penalty no matter where you are on track was a silly one.

Anyone want to collect a bunch of penalties to see whether theres a new threshold?

It's probably 20 sec now as it was already in DR.B.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

It seems the penalty is not automatically increasing once you get over 10s now???? The whole idea of having to slow down to serve a penalty no matter where you are on track was a silly one.

Anyone want to collect a bunch of penalties to see whether theres a new threshold?

You can simulate that in a lobby as long as you're A/A+, or at least that's how it is in the old system. Try accumulating penalties in a (one-man ofc) lobby maybe?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

You can simulate that in a lobby as long as you're A/A+, or at least that's how it is in the old system. Try accumulating penalties in a (one-man ofc) lobby maybe?

Or you could lightly scrape the wall 5 times in the daily A

 

[golfer07840]

PD walks a fine line with every GT game,they have to find the balance between simlite for casuals and enough simulation for hardcore racers,GT Sport main goal(from FiA's perspective) was to bring new fans to motorsports that's why the first trailer for GTS showed a kid and a adult playing together.They can never go full sim because that would "betray" the majority of their fans,and they can't go full arcade because that would go against other part of the fanbase.......its very tricky.

I have to admit, it worked on me. Don't get me wrong, I liked nice cars, I liked watching F1 cars and so on. But since I decided to buy the game, I understand more about racing (simply because it got me curious to do research and to watch and learn) than I ever have before.

So PD, as far as they are concerned, based on my perspective, Well done.